Robot to explore mysterious tunnels in Great Pyramid

[varg]

this is great didn't know about this latest bit.. however.. is it me or does this graffiti seem awfully primitive by Egyptian standards? that makes me think it's a)fake or b) insignificant doodling.. (ie actual graffiti by a worker? )

I guess is case a) investigation iss a waste of time and b) investigation might reveal some small thing.. it's peculiar that's for sure...

You're right, they do look primitive (the graffiti) if you compare them to the standards.
There can only be a handful solutions.

I guess that a bored worker/slave made this when the stones were assembled while no one watched. This is according to me the result of human art at that time.
And what about the graffiti they found at the top (inside) of Cheops? Same pattern?

Reagards

[hollow27]

I'd like to talk about these air shafts a little bit more, so excuse me if I go on too much.

Now, regarding these shafts, we should all be of the understanding that they were planned and laid out during the original construction of the pyramid. Imagine the architectural mind, effort, and arduous labor involved to include these 8"x8" channels in four separate locations. With that in mind, would those who built these channels as "air shafts" feel the need to block the end of them, thereby nullifying their actual intended purpose completely? Specifically, the two from the queen's chamber come to a dead end way before they reach the open air. See below:


Before I go further, I'd like to add one little known fact - and that's that none of these shafts are straight. All four of them bend, sometimes multiple times. My source for this is Gantenbrink - the gentleman involved in the first robotic exploration of the shafts back in the 90's. To me, the fact that these shafts bend also eliminates the idea of them being "star shafts", or intentionally pointing to any specific star or constellation. If the pharaoh's soul was intended to go directly to the heavens, then there's just no way the architect's would intentionally deviate from that course. They didn't have to move around any obstacles, they deviated intentionally. See below for a few more pictures showing the shape and construction. If they were channels for the pharaoh's soul to travel to the afterlife, then why would the shafts in the queen's chamber end before penetrating the queen's chamber itself? That's another little known fact. Both of these air shafts actually stopped 8 cm short of entering the queen's chamber. See the graphic below.


The last item I'd like to bring up is that of the obstacles that block the shafts in the queens chamber. Please see below:

Take a good long look at those blocks and their copper fittings (the first is the northern block,the second is the southern). I'm an electrical contractor by trade, so I'd like to say I have a pretty firm understanding of the importance and natural properties of copper in relation to electricity. In my mind, based on the intentional depth, length, construction, and obstruction at the end of these shafts, there can be little doubt that they were intended for anything other than that of a conductor of some sort. What kind? That's impossible for me to say, but if I had to throw my weight in one corner, I'd lean to that of a type of conductor that enables the creation of a vibration or an oscillation, rather than the sole purpose of an electrical current. In terms of physics, and according to dictionary.com, an oscillation is as follows:

an effect expressible as a quantity that repeatedly and regularly fluctuates above and below some mean value, as the pressure of a sound wave or the voltage of an alternating current.

Interesting, isn't it? The mind races for explanation and conclusion, but I think that's the best part. Drawing your own. What could it be or mean? I certainly don't have the answers, I'm an average Joe that has an opinion or idea, much like all of you who read this. Funny as it may sound, I think that's the best part about being human. The ability to think, imagine, and create. Please take the above, consider all possible angles, draw your own conclusion, and pursue as you will (and also see below for more artistic renderings of the shaft composure - as digitally reconstructed by Gantenbrink).

[Moon]

Many workers put their names on buildings and bridges as graffiti. It is just as primitive as what the pyramids revealed. If it was official writing, it would of looked much more professional.

By the way, slaves did not work on pyramids or any other monuments of importance.

[varg]

Many workers put their names on buildings and bridges as graffiti. It is just as primitive as what the pyramids revealed. If it was official writing, it would of looked much more professional.

By the way, slaves did not work on pyramids or any other monuments of importance.

Slave on not, the worker.
I don't know, according to egyptologies there were no slaves, just as you say. But so many parts are missing...
The one and only way to know the truth is to go back in time and look with our own eyes.

Otherwise, we just have to rely on those funny egyptologies and their explanations.

[lamplight]

And what about the graffiti they found at the top (inside) of Cheops? Same pattern?

Reagards

it looks different...

by the explorer in 1800's? it's explained in Robert bauvals books that the first time this guy discovered this chamber there were no reports of "graffiti " but on his further expounding of his discoveries he mentioned the graffiti .. seems suspect that he forged it.. also there are "typos" .. incorrectly used hieroglyphics .. that make this claim seem inauthentic.. I get this entirely for bauvals books so I'm not positive on this... FYI..

[varg]

Thank you for your response, lamplight.

Regards

[Moon]

Slave o(r) not, the worker.
I don't know, according to egyptologies there were no slaves, just as you say. But so many parts are missing...
The one and only way to know the truth is to go back in time and look with our own eyes.

Otherwise, we just have to rely on those funny egyptologies and their explanations.

I do try to stay on top of things when it comes to Egyptology. I was called ignorant on one site ans decided to ingest as much knowledge on the subject as possible. There is a big difference between using slaves and craftsmen who put pride in what they were doing. These monuments had deep meaning to all involved. We are just beginning to understand this, and that includes the mainstream Egyptologists.

[varg]

I do try to stay on top of things when it comes to Egyptology. I was called ignorant on one site ans decided to ingest as much knowledge on the subject as possible. There is a big difference between using slaves and craftsmen who put pride in what they were doing. These monuments had deep meaning to all involved. We are just beginning to understand this, and that includes the mainstream Egyptologists.

First, excuse my bad spelling.

Second, I do agree with you. I think we've just scratched the surface.
Perhaps it's just like the old Mayan culture, the majority of the truth it's still hidden and the truth is far beyond our present understanding.
Time will tell, I'm sure of that...

My research on this subject will continue.

Regards

[lamplight]

hi
another point that was made briefly in "the pyramid code" 5 part series that makes sense to me: it is possible that during the supposed time the pyramids were built (roughly 2450?) that perhaps there was just a maintenance program going on for much older existing structures. (ie like tuts repairs on sphinx ?). seems reasonable...

I'm personally annoyed to no end there is nothing to carbon date!! (or rather.. nothing known or made available.... like the piece of wood in one of the shafts... ). OH what about the "handles" on the door in the shaft that's been explored.. leather? surely that could be sampled and tested.. the more I learn about these things and related , the more conspiracy theories seem more probable!!!

[Moon]

First, excuse my bad spelling.

Second, I do agree with you. I think we've just scratched the surface.
Perhaps it's just like the old Mayan culture, the majority of the truth it's still hidden and the truth is far beyond our present understanding.
Time will tell, I'm sure of that...

My research on this subject will continue.

Regards

I did not mean anything when I did a small correction to the quote. I do things like that as I am writing underneath it and I get a bit goofy about that sort of thing.

I also am glad you cleared this up as I want us all to learn about the pyramids and the ancient Egyptians. If we are well armed just as the mainstream Egyptologists are, they can't just dismiss us as hacks. The idea is to get them to look at our theories and questions. The more professional we look and sound, the better the chance they actually take us seriously. It doesn't mean they will, but in the long haul it makes us look much better.

[varg]

Lamplight: There is always something to carbon date, you just have to find it. But remember, if they carbon dated something and that piece didn't fit in our history, they will bury the truth, probably

I agree Mercury, thanks for replying.

Regards

[yerock III stoneman]

Try to put yourself in the mindset of the people responsible for the construction of the Great Pyramid. You know you're building a monument that will outlast most others with megalithic blocks that will be talked about for thousands of years to come. Supposedly you've encoded it with measurements from a high earth science. Even went to great tasks to align it with the cardinal directions, and put it on the 30° N latitude line. Some researchers insist the ground plan was designed to memorialize the specific era it was built in, using the stars and the Precession of Equinoxes.
All that, and a lot more I haven't touched upon, yet NOT ONE OBVIOUS, PURPOSELY PLACED, DATEABLE OBJECT OR GLYPH.
How hard would that've been, if the builders wanted the pyramid to be dated?
... Peace.

[caveman82]

The pyramids at Giza are a lot older than we first assumed. I think that's a given. A lot older.

[hollow27]

Try to put yourself in the mindset of the people responsible for the construction of the Great Pyramid. You know you're building a monument that will outlast most others with megalithic blocks that will be talked about for thousands of years to come. Supposedly you've encoded it with measurements from a high earth science. Even went to great tasks to align it with the cardinal directions, and put it on the 30° N latitude line. Some researchers insist the ground plan was designed to memorialize the specific era it was built in, using the stars and the Precession of Equinoxes.
All that, and a lot more I haven't touched upon, yet NOT ONE OBVIOUS, PURPOSELY PLACED, DATEABLE OBJECT OR GLYPH.
How hard would that've been, if the builders wanted the pyramid to be dated?
... Peace.

Right on. The kings, pharaohs, rulers, of the time didn't hesitate to put their image or name on practically every other building or object of their respective era. It's just too hard to believe that Khufu took one look at the pyramid during it's construction and said, "Yeah, that's good enough. I don't need one of these:
(statue of Khufu)


or one of these in, on, or around it:"
(Khufu in hieroglyphics)

[yerock III stoneman]

Hey hollow27.
Another thing about these 8 x 8 shafts. If the builders left a date and signature, it was possibly on the lid to the "coffer" in the "king's chamber". The coffer's inside volume is 8 royal cubic cubits, and the coffer's walls are so thick they are also 8 royal cubic cubits. 8 x 8. So, just my speculation, but...
The lid could be the proto-type for the Egyptian cartouche. And designed by obvious cartographers. Maybe a world hemisphere mapped and signed. But by who?
... Peace

[caveman82]

They wont be solved until the Egyptologists at the top Want the to be.
That's if they haven't already and don't like to share.

[caveman82]

Why is it all so cryptic. Why would they only want a select few to see it. What did they know 15 thousand years ago that could not be known by the masses then and today.

[yerock III stoneman]

cavemen82, if someone would produce the lid to the coffer, Egyptologists won't have any say in the matter. At least in my scenario.
Initiates could be taught from images making up the lid. The old "secret initiation ceremony" held in the kings chamber, but for real earth science like cartography.
... Peace.

[caveman82]

Stoneman I am but one.

Do you believe there ever was a lid. Not saying I don't, just won't to inquire on what grounds.

[yerock III stoneman]

The damage done to the coffer could be where a lock was in place to secure the lid.
Jews fleeing Egypt could have made off with it. They would have had to build a new "coffer" for the stolen lid. There would possibly be some sort of record of the Jews possessing a sacred object the size and dimensions of the coffer at that time.
... Peace.

[caveman82]

Why would you put a mana machine In a pyramid

[caveman82]

What material do you think the lid was made of. Could I have been a heavy element. Like lead?

[yerock III stoneman]

I don't know what the coffer lid is made of. Probably a material durable enough to withstand the ages.
If I'm on to something with this theory, and the image on the lid was important enough to be the centerpiece of the Great Pyramid, then it lies hidden, somewhere, for a reason. Whoever possesses it may not want the images or message on it revealed.
... Peace.

[caveman82]

What is your Theory mate. I my self don't have one but I do believe the material of the lid is important. It could shed some light on what the kings Chamber was designed for. Why such thick Granite walls on a box with no obvious function other than to hold something. It must have been designed for protection, so why do you need to protect something that is housed in the center of over a million stone blocks. Unless it was to protect the out side from what was stored within. in that case maybe the lid was attractive to the hebrews due to its practical properties.

[yerock III stoneman]

There's no signature or date on one of the most talked about and written about buildings of all time. Maybe built anonymously. Maybe not.
These 8 x 8 air shafts that "point to the stars" also lead downward into the kings chamber to the damaged coffer. It's not beyond reason that a lid to the coffer was dated, and had images on it.
Whatever these images were, they must've been extremely important to be the centerpiece of the Great Pyramid. If hebrews made off with the lid, they and future christians could have incorporated the symbols on it into their own religion. The "original foundations" of their faith may be from stolen material, purposefully misinterpreted to suit their needs. If someone like the Pope possesses the lid, it'll never be shared with us.
... Peace.

[caveman82]

The lid would have most probely been destroyed if it portrayed anything that went against the catholic church. Along with any reference to it, as they burnt all librarys of any significant.
If it wasn't for the catholic cult we'd by now have a colony on mars and free energy for every country on earth...and mars lol.

[yerock III stoneman]

Hey caveman. This lid, with it's images, may have been too complex for it's new possesers to decipher completely. Also, it could have been a "moving picture" - an ancient image that changed when a light is rotated around it. Secret religious initiation ceremonies in central Asia still use this technique.
The average citizen privy to it's existence would be expected to worship the holy images obtained from it. Encoded in the images is where I believe a high earth science is recorded, and most likely a map of our earth.
... Peace.

[caveman82]

The best way to transfer information today is with fibre optics. The ancients of central asia could have tried to recreate something that witnessed.

[yerock III stoneman]

My avatar pix is an artifact with a mirror to it (you can see the vertical mirror line). It's another way to conceal information yet preserve it.
The central asians built pyramids and made maps thousands of years ago. Could they have imported their sacred images of the past into the mediterranean region and elsewhere? Or were they stolen, and early western religious icons set to the eastern holy images?
http://atlantisrisingforums.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=mysteries&action=display&thread=58

[hollow27]

Hey hollow27.
Another thing about these 8 x 8 shafts. If the builders left a date and signature, it was possibly on the lid to the "coffer" in the "king's chamber". The coffer's inside volume is 8 royal cubic cubits, and the coffer's walls are so thick they are also 8 royal cubic cubits. 8 x 8. So, just my speculation, but...
The lid could be the proto-type for the Egyptian cartouche. And designed by obvious cartographers. Maybe a world hemisphere mapped and signed. But by who?
... Peace

I just read this with the corresponding posts and I like the direction you're heading. It's not an angle I had considered before. Truth be told, it's not the first thing that would have come to mind, but that's the best thing about forums like this. So many different minds and opinions, all searching for a bit of truth. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, I look forward to reviewing this and getting back to you.

[caveman82]

Hay Stomeman. Been thinking about your map or some sort of pictuer you said could be on this elusive lid. you mentioned people around the area to the East using lights in a rituals to summon so devine knowledge. I related that to storing and transferring information using modern technics. You said to cavity inthe box thing found in the kings chamber was 8 x 8 forearm lengths and the granit left was 8 x 8. which means the original stone block would have been 16 x 16. This is interesting because that = 256 which is a very important Binary number. You probely already know this but binary is considerd a universal language in the universe. This is due to its practicality in mathematics it is the procese used on coding digital data. A byte represents 256 different values in the binary code. There for the most basic unit of which we store information one byte = 256. With this in mind I strongly suggest you consider the fact that the lid you seek could be a type of computer or some sort of hardware. Hope this helps.

[yerock III stoneman]

Hey y'all. Hollow27, I never would have put together any of these ideas without the artifact. I've been studying it for @ 15 years. Using light and reflection to conceal information on a three dimensional image is simply amazing to me. Plus the stone weighs 8.0 something grams.
Caveman82, the number 256 is (8+8) x (8+8), or 16². In music, 256 vibrations per second (vps) represents middle C. The philosophical foundation of music.
The image on the lid to the coffer in the Great Pyramid may also be the original relic that Greek mythographers used. When they rotated a light around it and used mirrors on it, they would record their ideas, and artisans would make impressionistic paintings and pottery of the different images.
Using the myth of Hermes, I can change the map into a musical chart, that highlights middle C. And there was a tradition of making maps from the equator to 80°N, it's not just me. I'll start a thread soon with Hermes chart.
Here's a little more that I'm working on still:
http://atlantisrisingforums.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=mysteries&action=display&thread=41
... Peace.