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Dane wrote:I'm just curious what the general board consensus is on the Age of the EGYPTIAN Pyramids?
How many people buy into the unpopular water erosion theories, etc.
Actually, we have the testament of Pharaoh Khufu himself that he only did repair work on the Great Pyramid. The Inventory Stele, found in 1857 by Auguste Mariette just to the east of the Pyramid, dates to about 1500 B.C., but according to Maspero and other experts, shows evidence of having been copied from a far older stele contemporaneous with the Fourth Dynasty. In the Stele, Khufu himself tells of his discoveries made while clearing away the sands from the Pyramid and Sphinx. He dedicated the account to Isis, who he called the "Mistress of the Western Mountain," "Mistress of the Pyramid," and identified the Pyramid itself as the "House of Isis."
The Stele describes how Pharaoh Khufu, "gave to her (Isis) an offering anew, and he built again (to restore, renovate, reconstruct) her temple of stone." From there, the Pharaoh inspected the Sphinx, according to the text, and related the story of how in his time both the monument and a nearby sycamore tree had been struck by lightning. The bolt had knocked off part of the headdress of the Sphinx, which Khufu carefully restored. Egyptologist Selim Hassan, who dug out the Sphinx from the surrounding sands in the 1930's, observed there is indeed evidence that portions of the Sphinx were damaged by lightning, and the mark of ancient repairs is very apparent. Also, he noted, sycamore trees once grew to the south of the monument, which had been dated to a great age.
Dane wrote:Randyrrr, thanks for posting that reference; it was a worthwhile read.
One bit of confusion here on my end, though:
Your resource mentions that Khufa had built pyramids, sans the Great Pyramid. You then mentioned (in your own opinion) that the pyramids were only repaired/maintained by Egyptians. What of those claimed to have been built for himself, wife, daughters according to said resource?
[/quote]Vance87 wrote:
Wait a minute.
Harte posted some pretty damn good evidence in the other thread about Khufu and his relationship to his pyramid.
But now I am just learning of this.
If this passage is true, both parties can be correct; Khufu did in fact work on the pyramid...however it is a remnant of an older civilization. This explains why there are no overt carvings of Khufu's name on the pyramid.
The only question I have is, how did the stones with his name painted on (in a crevice where no man could reach after it was completed) get there?
Vance87 wrote:Why is everyone ignoring Harte's evidence in the "Pyramid Inscriptions fake" thread?
maxmercury wrote:Vance87 wrote:Why is everyone ignoring Harte's evidence in the "Pyramid Inscriptions fake" thread?
The inscriptions are real, but that does not mean the pyramids were built at that time. I have read many books that refute the evidence both were done at the same time.


Vance87 wrote:Why is everyone ignoring Harte's evidence in the "Pyramid Inscriptions fake" thread?
Vance87 wrote:Obviously. I didn't say I thought that.
I just got a little peeved that people seemed to be ignoring or skimming over his evidence, as I have repeatedly had to explain it to people, even in the very thread where it is posted.
But my original question still stands, if both the Khufu inscriptions and the passage about him repairing the pyramids are correct, then how did the graffiti get there? It's sort of an obvious question to ask, and not an attack on anything; just the next logical step in the equation. You understand where I'm going, now?
Vance87 wrote:OK, see the thing is, the way GH described and how Hearte presented it, it was as if you could only see them if you looked through tiny crevices between stones. Apparently they are out in the open? I've never seen pictures, so I don't know. I'm just going off of what was written.
We decide which is right, and which is an illusion. Moody Blues![]()
Hearte wrote:Vance87 wrote:OK, see the thing is, the way GH described and how Hearte presented it, it was as if you could only see them if you looked through tiny crevices between stones. Apparently they are out in the open? I've never seen pictures, so I don't know. I'm just going off of what was written.
I posted a pic of the "Khufu" cartouche in the thread you mentioned. That glyph is out in the open, as are all the ones Vyse discovered when he blew open the chamber with gunpowder.
Unless Bob wants to assert that the Egyptians had explosives, blew the chamber open, painted some glyphs, then re-sealed the chamber leaving no trace of any patch job, then the positions of the "open" writings makes no difference.
The writing that can be seen deep in crevices was discovered much more recently. The entire Egyptian population could have paraded through that chamber on a daily basis over thousands of years and it still wouldn't explain the glyphs in the crevices.
Harte
ilacewords wrote:Hearte wrote:Vance87 wrote:OK, see the thing is, the way GH described and how Hearte presented it, it was as if you could only see them if you looked through tiny crevices between stones. Apparently they are out in the open? I've never seen pictures, so I don't know. I'm just going off of what was written.
I posted a pic of the "Khufu" cartouche in the thread you mentioned. That glyph is out in the open, as are all the ones Vyse discovered when he blew open the chamber with gunpowder.
Unless Bob wants to assert that the Egyptians had explosives, blew the chamber open, painted some glyphs, then re-sealed the chamber leaving no trace of any patch job, then the positions of the "open" writings makes no difference.
The writing that can be seen deep in crevices was discovered much more recently. The entire Egyptian population could have paraded through that chamber on a daily basis over thousands of years and it still wouldn't explain the glyphs in the crevices.
Harte
Khufu's name, or not name, is what is in dispute, right? And that is the portion that is out in the open, right?
Why does this have any connection then with any of the painting that is in the crevices? Seems like both could have been done at different times and probably were, in my opinion.
Bob137 wrote:That is the whole point. Once it was opened by Vyse, then he painted on the glyphs! They were not there before! First you stated there was only a two inch opening to be able to paint the glyph, now you admit that once Vyse blew open the opening, he had more than enough room to paint on the glyph!
Vance87 wrote:Bob137 wrote:That is the whole point. Once it was opened by Vyse, then he painted on the glyphs! They were not there before! First you stated there was only a two inch opening to be able to paint the glyph, now you admit that once Vyse blew open the opening, he had more than enough room to paint on the glyph!
This is where I got confused.
We decide which is right, and which is an illusion. "Moody Blues"
Bob137 wrote:If you have read the information and went to the url at above top secret that I had put out, you wouldn't still be trying to convince people otherwise!![]()
We decide which is right, and which is an illusion. "Moody Blues"
ilacewords wrote:Sure, there are many temples for Isis, but how would that correlate with Khufu saying that he was the restorer of the GP and not it's builder?
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