Age of The Great Pyramid ....Precisly

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Age of The Great Pyramid ....Precisly

Postby jag@earth » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:34 am

Hi
I found something that might be interesting about the age of the Great Pyramid, and would like to share with the community.
It is a research that was conducted recently in Egypt, and was published in Arabic.
Here is my review for the topic in English, published in my website:

http://www.write-my-name-in-arabic.com/Write-my-name-in-arabic-blog.html

Hi

(Sorry, my first submission for the new thread did not appear)

Here is something that I've found and would like to share with the community.
It is a research conducted for the purpose of determining the age of the great pyramid.
The research was published in Arabic recently, and I've just published a review in English in my<b> website</b>, and my <b>blog</b>, in this link:

<a herf="http://www.write-my-name-in-arabic.com/Write-my-name-in-arabic-blog.html"> The Arabic Writer Blog </a>

Hi

To go to the article about the Age of The Pyramid, please go to
my blog:
The Arabic Writer Blog,


In my website:
write-my-name-in-arabic.com


Regards
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Dating of the Pyramids...

Postby nippur10 » Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:22 pm

Some time ago I read an article where a scientist had carbon tested very small seashells embeded in the cracks between the pyramid stones. He dated them to 12,000 years ago. This would concur with Allen and Delair who wrote "Cataclysm". They wrote that the Great Flood occured in 9500 b.c. This is close to the time that the seashells were dated. Additionally, the last pole shift has been dated to 9600 b.c. Hope this helps.
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Postby Trev12 » Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:07 pm

Id go for 10,500 B.C. myself :)
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Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Dane » Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:13 pm

I'm just curious what the general board consensus is on the Age of the EGYPTIAN Pyramids?

How many people buy into the unpopular water erosion theories, etc.

Just curious~
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How Old are the Pyramids?

Postby Randyrrr » Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:22 pm

How Old are the Pyramids?

The controversy raised by John Anthony West and Robert Schoch concerning the true age of the Great Sphinx is now beginning to overcast the other famous monuments which share space on the Giza plateau—namely, the three pyramids that were supposedly built by Pharaohs Khufu, Khafre and Menkhare in the Fourth Dynasty. Were these Pyramids constructed only 4,300 years ago, or—like the Sphinx—is there evidence they could be far older, dating instead to perhaps 12,000 years ago?

Let’s begin first with looking at the age of the Great Pyramid. The conservative historians’ entire case for dating the Great Pyramid to the Fourth Dynasty rests upon two major pieces of evidence. The first is the story of Herodotus, who in 443 B.C. visited Egypt and recounted how Pharaoh Cheops (the Greek name for Khufu) built the Great Pyramid during his reign with 100,000 men in 20 years. However, we now know this story is highly questionable. Even his contemporaries called Herodotus the "Father of Lies." Not only do the construction estimates he gave not work, but Herodotus, as an Initiate in the Egyptian Mystery Schools, was sworn to secrecy regarding the true nature of the Pyramid, and he more than likely copied a fictitious tale about the monument that was then in circulation among the common masses. The Greek historian’s account stands in sharp contrast to most other Egyptian, Hebrew, Greek, Roman, Hermetic, Coptic and medieval Arabic scholarly sources which agree that the Great Pyramid was not constructed during the time frame of Pharaoh Khufu or Dynastic Egypt, but was the product of the "Age of the Gods" thousands of years earlier.

The second piece of evidence is the existence of painted hieroglyphic inscriptions found in the air space chambers above the King’s Chamber, which include the name of Pharaoh Khufu. They were supposedly discovered by Col. Richard Howard-Vyse in 1837, when he forced his way up to these chambers using gunpowder. But there are certain facts showing these inscriptions were in actuality forgeries.

[...]

Actually, we have the testament of Pharaoh Khufu himself that he only did repair work on the Great Pyramid. The Inventory Stele, found in 1857 by Auguste Mariette just to the east of the Pyramid, dates to about 1500 B.C., but according to Maspero and other experts, shows evidence of having been copied from a far older stele contemporaneous with the Fourth Dynasty. In the Stele, Khufu himself tells of his discoveries made while clearing away the sands from the Pyramid and Sphinx. He dedicated the account to Isis, who he called the "Mistress of the Western Mountain," "Mistress of the Pyramid," and identified the Pyramid itself as the "House of Isis."

The Stele describes how Pharaoh Khufu, "gave to her (Isis) an offering anew, and he built again (to restore, renovate, reconstruct) her temple of stone." From there, the Pharaoh inspected the Sphinx, according to the text, and related the story of how in his time both the monument and a nearby sycamore tree had been struck by lightning. The bolt had knocked off part of the headdress of the Sphinx, which Khufu carefully restored. Egyptologist Selim Hassan, who dug out the Sphinx from the surrounding sands in the 1930's, observed there is indeed evidence that portions of the Sphinx were damaged by lightning, and the mark of ancient repairs is very apparent. Also, he noted, sycamore trees once grew to the south of the monument, which had been dated to a great age.

The Stele then ends with the story of how Khufu built small pyramids for himself and his daughters, wife and family, next to the Great Pyramid. Today, the ruins of three small pyramids are indeed situated on the east side of the monument. Archaeologists have found independent evidence that the southernmost of the three small pyramids flanking the Great Pyramid was in fact dedicated to Henutsen, a wife of Khufu. Everything in the inscription thus matches the known facts. If these facts can be believed as true, then the additional information that Khufu was only a restorer of the Great Pyramid and not its builder, must also be treated as historically true.

ANCIENT LEGENDS AND MODERN RESEARCH CONFIRM EACH OTHER
When we look at mythic history for the story of the origins of the Great Pyramid, we discover that the monument was not attributed to any Pharaoh, but was the product of the genius and higher learning of the Gods of Old. Time and time again, from the Roman Marcellinus to the Coptic Al Masudi and the Arab Ibn Abd Alhokim, the recounters of the ancient legends tell how the Pyramid was built to preserve the knowledge of a magnificent civilization from destruction by a Flood, and that it was this Flood which brought the Age of the Gods to its tragic end. The various Chronologies of Legendary Rulers place a minimum date for the Age of the Gods as circa 10,000 B.C. This is the time frame Plato, in his Timaeus and Critias, ascribed the destruction of Atlantis. And it is also this date, as can be proven in modern scientific studies, which was highlighted by major climatic, geologic and geomagnetic disturbances, accompanied by massive paleo-biological extinctions in the planet, marking the division point between the Ice Age and the Present Era.

In Egypt, geologists examining the fossil record have found that the combined effect of melting glaciers in the Mountains of the Moon, plus a sharp rise in precipitation levels in Central Africa, caused the Nile river circa 10,000 B.C. to swell in size a thousandfold, eroding away cliff walls miles from its present banks, and washing out its entire valley throughout the length of Egypt. At the same time, as the Mediterranean Sea began to fill and rise due to higher ocean levels from melting northern glaciers, its waters for a brief period also flooded the lower Nile valley.


Read more on the subject here.
http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_2_4.htm

As I said before, I believe that the Egyptians only repaired the pyramids. I believe the information that was suppose to be inside the pyramids is now at the vatican and those that found it were killed to cover up this find.

There is a picture of an entrance a Grand entrance into the pyramid. It is mid way up and has been covered up by small stones. Why? To hide it. I don't think so. I think to cover all evidence of the prior builders.
Maybe under all these small stones are writings from the real builders.
Maybe it took 20 years to cover up the large stones with small stones.

Entrance picture?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/helenapugsley/419152720/

I believe that the Egyptians hijacked the pyramids and the people of today have evidence of this and denigh it is so.
I also believe there is more in that desert to find, maybe laid out the same or similar to the structures on Mars.
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Dane » Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:58 pm

Randyrrr, thanks for posting that reference; it was a worthwhile read.

One bit of confusion here on my end, though:

Your resource mentions that Khufa had built pyramids, sans the Great Pyramid. You then mentioned (in your own opinion) that the pyramids were only repaired/maintained by Egyptians. What of those claimed to have been built for himself, wife, daughters according to said resource?
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby paland » Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:00 pm

Dane wrote:I'm just curious what the general board consensus is on the Age of the EGYPTIAN Pyramids?

How many people buy into the unpopular water erosion theories, etc.


Those are two different issues. Thye age of the Pyramids has nothing to do with water erosion on the sphinx.
But to answer your question, I can easily believe that the pyramids were built 4000 years ago, but the sphinx is probably 12,000 years old.

Edit: After reading that post by Randyrr, I stand humbled. Thanks for the info and I really need to read up more on this.
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Vance » Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:53 pm

Actually, we have the testament of Pharaoh Khufu himself that he only did repair work on the Great Pyramid. The Inventory Stele, found in 1857 by Auguste Mariette just to the east of the Pyramid, dates to about 1500 B.C., but according to Maspero and other experts, shows evidence of having been copied from a far older stele contemporaneous with the Fourth Dynasty. In the Stele, Khufu himself tells of his discoveries made while clearing away the sands from the Pyramid and Sphinx. He dedicated the account to Isis, who he called the "Mistress of the Western Mountain," "Mistress of the Pyramid," and identified the Pyramid itself as the "House of Isis."

The Stele describes how Pharaoh Khufu, "gave to her (Isis) an offering anew, and he built again (to restore, renovate, reconstruct) her temple of stone." From there, the Pharaoh inspected the Sphinx, according to the text, and related the story of how in his time both the monument and a nearby sycamore tree had been struck by lightning. The bolt had knocked off part of the headdress of the Sphinx, which Khufu carefully restored. Egyptologist Selim Hassan, who dug out the Sphinx from the surrounding sands in the 1930's, observed there is indeed evidence that portions of the Sphinx were damaged by lightning, and the mark of ancient repairs is very apparent. Also, he noted, sycamore trees once grew to the south of the monument, which had been dated to a great age.


Wait a minute.

Harte posted some pretty damn good evidence in the other thread about Khufu and his relationship to his pyramid.

But now I am just learning of this.

If this passage is true, both parties can be correct; Khufu did in fact work on the pyramid...however it is a remnant of an older civilization. This explains why there are no overt carvings of Khufu's name on the pyramid.

The only question I have is, how did the stones with his name painted on (in a crevice where no man could reach after it was completed) get there?
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Moon » Sat Feb 26, 2011 6:49 pm

Testing done by Robert Temple was conducted for the book "Egyptian Dawn". It shows the pyramids were built 250 or more years before Khufu was born.

Mr Temple also suggests that Khufu and his heirs are buried near the pyramid and have yet to be excavated.

There is suggestions that the base of the pyramid is much older than the pyramids themselves.
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Randyrrr » Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:34 pm

Dane wrote:Randyrrr, thanks for posting that reference; it was a worthwhile read.

One bit of confusion here on my end, though:

Your resource mentions that Khufa had built pyramids, sans the Great Pyramid. You then mentioned (in your own opinion) that the pyramids were only repaired/maintained by Egyptians. What of those claimed to have been built for himself, wife, daughters according to said resource?


Watch these both.

The Great Pyramid - Dr. Gene Scott - 1982
Discussion of who built the Pyramids and why.


Download link to
Great Pyramid of Giza Secrets - Dr Gene Scott
More info on the pyramid a video 104 mb
http://www.4shared.com/file/D2jdT4Me/Great_Pyramid_of_Giza_Secrets_.htm?aff=7637829

There are so many but this one is good.
Dane I wrote what I think, web page is another thought, interesting one.
The links above are good ones watch them in the order above.

Combined Double Post

Vance87 wrote:
Wait a minute.

Harte posted some pretty damn good evidence in the other thread about Khufu and his relationship to his pyramid.

But now I am just learning of this.

If this passage is true, both parties can be correct; Khufu did in fact work on the pyramid...however it is a remnant of an older civilization. This explains why there are no overt carvings of Khufu's name on the pyramid.

The only question I have is, how did the stones with his name painted on (in a crevice where no man could reach after it was completed) get there?
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There is a question if they are even real;

The second piece of evidence is the existence of painted hieroglyphic inscriptions found in the air space chambers above the King’s Chamber, which include the name of Pharaoh Khufu. They were supposedly discovered by Col. Richard Howard-Vyse in 1837, when he forced his way up to these chambers using gunpowder. But there are certain facts showing these inscriptions were in actuality forgeries.

http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_2_4.htm
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Vance » Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:05 pm

Why is everyone ignoring Harte's evidence in the "Pyramid Inscriptions fake" thread?
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Asfiqur » Sun Feb 27, 2011 2:27 am

Is there any picture, where the catrouche is? If anyone know then plz give the link here.
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Moon » Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:21 pm

Vance87 wrote:Why is everyone ignoring Harte's evidence in the "Pyramid Inscriptions fake" thread?


The inscriptions are real, but that does not mean the pyramids were built at that time. I have read many books that refute the evidence both were done at the same time.
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Vance » Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:50 pm

maxmercury wrote:
Vance87 wrote:Why is everyone ignoring Harte's evidence in the "Pyramid Inscriptions fake" thread?


The inscriptions are real, but that does not mean the pyramids were built at that time. I have read many books that refute the evidence both were done at the same time.


Obviously. I didn't say I thought that.

I just got a little peeved that people seemed to be ignoring or skimming over his evidence, as I have repeatedly had to explain it to people, even in the very thread where it is posted.

But my original question still stands, if both the Khufu inscriptions and the passage about him repairing the pyramids are correct, then how did the graffiti get there? It's sort of an obvious question to ask, and not an attack on anything; just the next logical step in the equation. You understand where I'm going, now?
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Randyrrr » Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:09 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I would imagine he had access to the complete Pyramid.
I believe he also covered up entrances to the interior.
Picture
http://www.flickr.com/photos/helenapugsley/419152720/

Watch this and listen closely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9ci1SbZWg8
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Vance » Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:47 pm

I guess you are laughing at yourself, because you just insinuated that Khufu dissolved himself through stones already set in place to an area no more than 2 inches wide to paint his name on one of the pyramid's inner blocks.

So I will laugh at you too.
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Randyrrr » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:31 am

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Are you Egyptian?

How small is the area?

As I remember; you can climb into the area, things are written on the wall and ceiling.

Location:
http://edoc3.bibliothek.uni-halle.de/lepsius/page/abt2/band3/image/02030010.jpg


Image
Image

Oh yeah, I laugh a lot, it keeps you young. :D
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Hearte » Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:28 am

Vance87 wrote:Why is everyone ignoring Harte's evidence in the "Pyramid Inscriptions fake" thread?

Because if they don't, then this particular sparkly wonderworld of ancient advanced civilization collapses and nobody wants that! LOL :lol:

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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Bob137 » Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:41 pm

I already refuted Hearte's questioning on the inscriptions, and on my conclusions and evidence to the contrary, also you can find on Above Top Secret.com more tantalizing evidence tot he contrary on the subject of Hearte's claims!
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Moon » Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:15 pm

Vance87 wrote:Obviously. I didn't say I thought that.

I just got a little peeved that people seemed to be ignoring or skimming over his evidence, as I have repeatedly had to explain it to people, even in the very thread where it is posted.

But my original question still stands, if both the Khufu inscriptions and the passage about him repairing the pyramids are correct, then how did the graffiti get there? It's sort of an obvious question to ask, and not an attack on anything; just the next logical step in the equation. You understand where I'm going, now?


I would imagine the Pharaohs had access a long with their high priests to all pyramids and temples. If you read the books by Christopher Dunn, he shows compelling evidence the pyramids were used as power sources. Khufu could of claimed this technology for himself and put in the inscriptions.

If the pyramids were used as power stations, then they would of been used for a long period of time. More than one pharaoh would have access to it.
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Vance » Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:40 pm

OK, see the thing is, the way GH described and how Hearte presented it, it was as if you could only see them if you looked through tiny crevices between stones. Apparently they are out in the open? I've never seen pictures, so I don't know. I'm just going off of what was written.

I don't understand why people need to be laughed at, most of you are 10-20 years older than me so I know you have heard of common courtesy.
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Hearte » Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:19 am

Vance87 wrote:OK, see the thing is, the way GH described and how Hearte presented it, it was as if you could only see them if you looked through tiny crevices between stones. Apparently they are out in the open? I've never seen pictures, so I don't know. I'm just going off of what was written.

I posted a pic of the "Khufu" cartouche in the thread you mentioned. That glyph is out in the open, as are all the ones Vyse discovered when he blew open the chamber with gunpowder.

Unless Bob wants to assert that the Egyptians had explosives, blew the chamber open, painted some glyphs, then re-sealed the chamber leaving no trace of any patch job, then the positions of the "open" writings makes no difference.

The writing that can be seen deep in crevices was discovered much more recently. The entire Egyptian population could have paraded through that chamber on a daily basis over thousands of years and it still wouldn't explain the glyphs in the crevices.

Vyse could have hire Leonardo DaVinci to paint the Mona Lisa on every wall inside that chamber, and it still wouldn't explain the glyphs found in the crevices between stones.

The claim that Vyse "forged" these glyphs completely collapses upon scrutiny. The name "Khufu" found in the chamber (and pictured in that other thread) wasn't even known during Vyse's time. The same name was later confirmed to be that of Khufu when it was found at other sites.

Ignorance is the only means of maintaining any claim whatsoever that the Great Pyramid wasn't built by Egyptians. An earlier example about hieratic writing proves the point. These weren't Egyptian scribes daubing these glyphs on those stones, they were Egyptian workers. Longfellow and Bob both use the English language, yet Bob's posts don't resemble Longfellow's poems. Is this evidence that Longfellow's (or Bob's) writings are forgeries?

In short, glyphs in the relieving chambers were painted on the stones before they were placed. Thus, some glyphs can be seen on the faces of the stones, and some can be seen in crevices between stones. The glyph for Khufu that Sitchin (yes, he's the "modern" source on the claim that Vyse forged the glyphs because Egyptology dropped the claim once the Khufu name, written the same way as in the G.P., was found at other sites) says Vyse forged was unknown in Vyse's time so Vyse was either psychic or not a forger.

Harte
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Bob137 » Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:13 am

Here is a discussion on the inscription, that has more information: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread527774/pg1

We decide which is right, and which is an illusion. Moody Blues :D
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby ilacewords » Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:18 pm

Hearte wrote:
Vance87 wrote:OK, see the thing is, the way GH described and how Hearte presented it, it was as if you could only see them if you looked through tiny crevices between stones. Apparently they are out in the open? I've never seen pictures, so I don't know. I'm just going off of what was written.

I posted a pic of the "Khufu" cartouche in the thread you mentioned. That glyph is out in the open, as are all the ones Vyse discovered when he blew open the chamber with gunpowder.

Unless Bob wants to assert that the Egyptians had explosives, blew the chamber open, painted some glyphs, then re-sealed the chamber leaving no trace of any patch job, then the positions of the "open" writings makes no difference.

The writing that can be seen deep in crevices was discovered much more recently. The entire Egyptian population could have paraded through that chamber on a daily basis over thousands of years and it still wouldn't explain the glyphs in the crevices.

Harte


Khufu's name, or not name, is what is in dispute, right? And that is the portion that is out in the open, right?

Why does this have any connection then with any of the painting that is in the crevices? Seems like both could have been done at different times and probably were, in my opinion. Maybe one was prior to the stone being laid, but since we don't know how the GP was built, i.e. stones laid, how do we even know that? I mean it seems likely - but that should be with a grain of salt, should it not as since we don't know how they built it and we cannot replicate it to this day then how can we assume any part of the building was made as we would make one nowadays. Considering we cannot.
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Hearte » Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:17 pm

ilacewords wrote:
Hearte wrote:
Vance87 wrote:OK, see the thing is, the way GH described and how Hearte presented it, it was as if you could only see them if you looked through tiny crevices between stones. Apparently they are out in the open? I've never seen pictures, so I don't know. I'm just going off of what was written.

I posted a pic of the "Khufu" cartouche in the thread you mentioned. That glyph is out in the open, as are all the ones Vyse discovered when he blew open the chamber with gunpowder.

Unless Bob wants to assert that the Egyptians had explosives, blew the chamber open, painted some glyphs, then re-sealed the chamber leaving no trace of any patch job, then the positions of the "open" writings makes no difference.

The writing that can be seen deep in crevices was discovered much more recently. The entire Egyptian population could have paraded through that chamber on a daily basis over thousands of years and it still wouldn't explain the glyphs in the crevices.

Harte


Khufu's name, or not name, is what is in dispute, right? And that is the portion that is out in the open, right?

Why does this have any connection then with any of the painting that is in the crevices? Seems like both could have been done at different times and probably were, in my opinion.

Would you care to speculate on how these glyphs were painted in between stones that are only an inch or so apart? Stones that not only weigh a couple of tons, but also are supporting several thousand more stones, each weighing a couple of tons?

There's no question whatsoever that Khufu's name appears in the open in that chamber. The only problem there is that the chamber was not at all "in the open" for the 4,000 years it sat there before Vyse blew it open.

The chamber itself was never meant to be entered. It is not really a "chamber" in that sense. It is a void space created by the supportive architecture above the king's chamber. The relieving chambers - one of which is the one we're talking about - are a series of "A" - shaped chambers constructed above the king's chamber to divert the immense weight of the pyramid above the king's chamber to the sides of that chamber. The large flat roof of the king's chamber wouldn't hold up the weight above it had that weight not been directed to the sides, rather than straight down on, the king's chamber.

Vyse's chamber (and the other relieving chambers) were sealed off throught the regular construction of the rest of the pyramid around them and had to be blown open by explorers, there being no doors.

The first chamber, and then the rest, were discovered when it was noticed that there was a hollow on the other side of a wall - one could tell because some mortar was missing.

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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Bob137 » Tue Mar 01, 2011 7:47 pm

That is the whole point. Once it was opened by Vyse, then he painted on the glyphs! They were not there before! First you stated there was only a two inch opening to be able to paint the glyph, now you admit that once Vyse blew open the opening, he had more than enough room to paint on the glyph!
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Vance » Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:28 pm

Bob137 wrote:That is the whole point. Once it was opened by Vyse, then he painted on the glyphs! They were not there before! First you stated there was only a two inch opening to be able to paint the glyph, now you admit that once Vyse blew open the opening, he had more than enough room to paint on the glyph!

This is where I got confused.
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Hearte » Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:04 am

Vance87 wrote:
Bob137 wrote:That is the whole point. Once it was opened by Vyse, then he painted on the glyphs! They were not there before! First you stated there was only a two inch opening to be able to paint the glyph, now you admit that once Vyse blew open the opening, he had more than enough room to paint on the glyph!

This is where I got confused.

If you re-read what I wrote in the thread, you won't be.

Glyphs have been found in the open and in between stones (the crevices I mentioned) in that previously sealed chamber. The ones in the crevices were not discovered by Vyse. He only had a lamp to see with.

Additionally, but not previously mentioned by me, there are dozens of glyphs that are cut off in mid-word by the walls and ceilings in those tiny chambers - evidence that the glyphs continue on beyond the walls, floor and ceiling where the stones overlap.

Bob just enjoys trying to mischaracterize what the facts actually are.

He appears to be "reading" my posts wearing a blindfold while sticking both fingers in his ears and screaming "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA"" just in case someone passing by happens to read my post aloud.

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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Bob137 » Wed Mar 02, 2011 8:30 am

If you have read the information and went to the url at above top secret that I had put out, you wouldn't still be trying to convince people otherwise! :roll:

We decide which is right, and which is an illusion. "Moody Blues"
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Hearte » Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:19 am

Bob137 wrote:If you have read the information and went to the url at above top secret that I had put out, you wouldn't still be trying to convince people otherwise! :roll:

We decide which is right, and which is an illusion. "Moody Blues"


Apparently, you yourself haven't "read the information" available in that thread.

If you had, you'd know that I, and an anthropologist with the username Byrd, were able to convince people except for people like yourself. You know, people like yourself that don't hesitate to ignore the actual facts of the matter.

You'd also know that the poster that made that thread is arguing the opposite of what you are arguing - that the Abydos glyph of Khufu's name (in the Abydos king's list) is the one that's wrong, and not the one inside the relieving chamber.

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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby ilacewords » Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:35 pm

No I don't care to speculate how graffiti got into the chambers or crevices. Those chambers may be sealed off for people to not access in the current day, but even wikipedia talks about 19th and 20th century graffiti are all in those chambers now. Not that it has anything to do with the original Khufu that was found by Vyse in Campbell's chamber on the ceiling. But maybe we can believe the words of Khufu himself on how they may have gotten there....

"Actually, we have the testament of Pharaoh Khufu himself that he only did repair work on the Great Pyramid. The Inventory Stele, found in 1857 by Auguste Mariette just to the east of the Pyramid, dates to about 1500 B.C., but according to Maspero and other experts, shows evidence of having been copied from a far older stele contemporaneous with the Fourth Dynasty. In the Stele, Khufu himself tells of his discoveries made while clearing away the sands from the Pyramid and Sphinx. He dedicated the account to Isis, who he called the "Mistress of the Western Mountain," "Mistress of the Pyramid," and identified the Pyramid itself as the "House of Isis."

The Stele describes how Pharaoh Khufu, "gave to her (Isis) an offering anew, and he built again (to restore, renovate, reconstruct) her temple of stone." From there, the Pharaoh inspected the Sphinx, according to the text, and related the story of how in his time both the monument and a nearby sycamore tree had been struck by lightning. The bolt had knocked off part of the headdress of the Sphinx, which Khufu carefully restored. Egyptologist Selim Hassan, who dug out the Sphinx from the surrounding sands in the 1930's, observed there is indeed evidence that portions of the Sphinx were damaged by lightning, and the mark of ancient repairs is very apparent. Also, he noted, sycamore trees once grew to the south of the monument, which had been dated to a great age.

The Stele then ends with the story of how Khufu built small pyramids for himself and his daughters, wife and family, next to the Great Pyramid. Today, the ruins of three small pyramids are indeed situated on the east side of the monument. Archaeologists have found independent evidence that the southernmost of the three small pyramids flanking the Great Pyramid was in fact dedicated to Henutsen, a wife of Khufu. Everything in the inscription thus matches the known facts. If these facts can be believed as true, then the additional information that Khufu was only a restorer of the Great Pyramid and not its builder, must also be treated as historically true."
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Hearte » Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:31 am

Perhaps you didn't know that there actually is a temple for Isis at Giza. That's what the stele mentions.

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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby ilacewords » Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:44 am

Sure, there are many temples for Isis, but how would that correlate with Khufu saying that he was the restorer of the GP and not it's builder?
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Hearte » Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:26 am

ilacewords wrote:Sure, there are many temples for Isis, but how would that correlate with Khufu saying that he was the restorer of the GP and not it's builder?

First of all, Khufu is not the "narrator" of that stele, so he is not saying anything.

Second of all, the stele says "temple of Isis."

People claim that this phrase means the Great Pyramid.

Third, though the stele might be a copy of an older story, it's not a copy of anything from Khufu's time.

The gods mentioned on that stele indicate a far more recent origin.

Some gods from the later kingdoms weren't even recognized on the Old Kingdom (Khufu's time.)

You cant just take somebody's opinion on the internet (and that one dates to the seventies, IIRC, and I was alive then and read the same claim in a book) and say it's true. The person that wrote that indicates that "experts say" the stele is a copy of an Old Kingdom one and that is simply not true in the slightest. It is definitely not a copy of any Old Kingdom writing.

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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby ilacewords » Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:01 am

"In the Stele, Khufu himself tells of his discoveries made while clearing away the sands" - It is a record of his statements.

No most kings/pharaohs/presidents/czars, etc. aren't the ones actually writing it down and never have been. That's just silly to use that as your argument.

"People claim" it as your words say that it's the Temple of Isis - also as in Khufu himself claimed it to be such. He was directly referring to clearing away the GP and the Sphinx. Seems you are the one taking people's opinion with your use of words like 'people claim' which are littered in your posts that you base to be true. And it wasn't just saying 'experts' it says 'Maspero and other experts'...as I'm figuring it didn't need to list all the people who understand hard evidence.
People claimed at one time the world was also flat.

I will rely on the words of the pharoah and not what people say. If he says he was the restorer of the pyramid and not its builder, why is it not true?
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