Some questions for "Believers".

[Believer]

Let me preface this by saying I am not questioning the validity of anyone's religious beliefs. That being said, the bible is far from being a historical record, just like all other religious books. They are filled with spiritual answers, not necessarily factual ones. Each book has fantastical tales that defy all logic, such as Noah's Ark. The weight of the insects alone on a boat would necessitate it be larger than anything we could even build today

On the contrary, I think the Bible is one of our best historical records along with other ancient texts.

The Mahabharata is a veritable gold mine of information relating to conflicts between gods who are said to have settled their differences apparently using weapons as lethal as those we have now. Apart from 'blazing missiles', the poem records the use of other deadly weapons. 'Indra's Dart' (Indravajra) operated via a circular 'reflector'. When switched on, it produced a 'shaft of light' which, when focused on any target, immediately 'consumed it with its power'

I don't think ancient people were science fiction writers, they were writing down what they were seeing, what was going on in their world.

Noah's Ark could have been a a DNA bank. And there is evidence all over the world of a great flood, or the very least waters rising a considerable amount all over the globe. More submerged cites are being found all the time.

Then there is also the The Water Vapor Canopy Theory, if you are not familiar with it here. Sorry I am at work and pressed for time. LOL

http://vinyl2.sentex.net/~tcc/FIRM/RF.p ... anopy.html

And yet, Indra, as is generally accepted now, was a "leader" of what can be termed as demi Gods. HE had some awesome weapons and was the king of demi Gods, but from time to time, when confronted by a particularly powerful enemy of the opponents(called as Rakshahas or demons which was a race of extremely tall, mega tough brutes...or shall we say a competing alien race or at least a race that was certainly different from man of the time), Indra reached out to the 3 elder Gods for help (Vishnu the Protector, Shiva the destroyer and Brahma the creator) who would then either "advice" Him what to do or come to his aid directly by slaying the enemy, usually with a devastating weapon. And yet, these elder Gods also displayed very human like traits - jealousy, envy of each other, and susceptible to emotions such as even imparting "boons" (usually in the form of a powerful weapon) despite knowing full well that the weapon will be used at a later time for the wrong cause (how many of us have, for example, done wrong things despite knowing that what we are doing is wrong?)....apparently, "aliens" could conquer the world with their weapons but couldn't conquer their emotions completely..just like us today when we have the power of science (which btw is used incessantly to make us lazy and fat) and technology and talk about building colonies on the Moon and Mars and what not yet we still believe that colour of skin, religion etc. makes one superior to someone else..then again, we have been created in "their image"

Ancient Indian texts, outside of India, are being rediscovered now and have been usually ignored by most Western folks (and am not saying that just because I'm Indian) because it was dispelled by them as mere fantasies...funny how no one can explain how someone can dream up weapons akin to modern nuclear wepons and flying machines without having seen anything even remotely similar.
There are many very, very weird accounts in there that simply cannot be explained away by being a fantasy because many of these have parallels in the modern world today - which I've already laid out in my previous post.

btw truthseeker, please don't interpret my post as animosity. I am only posing questions to you, the seeker, just like the way you pose questions us, the "believers"

[Nikola]

Nikola... another good example of what you are showing us is at the Temple of Jupiter.... the Baalbek Trilithon. You can clearly notice the difference between the Trilithon stones and the smaller ones that the Romans added at a later date.

Absolutely. I think that the Giza pyramids are the only structures that only have the fingerprints of the gods on them:) Everything else was either too old and people had to save it from collapsing or just they exercised on them in order to achieve some divine epiphany:)

[Theory]

I deleted my last post because I have decided that this is quite....well...stupid. All we are doing is repeating what we have already said in other threads.

[Moon]

Those are really good questions you pose for us. Here are my answers to them:

1. The extraterrestrials may never have really left us. It is possible they are still monitoring us judging from the sightings and encounters that are reported. They could have bases on the Moon and Mars (with clues left on Mars to show their presence). We are not ready for them to have second contact with us until we show we are mature and responsible for the next stage in our development.

2. The models and other gliders could of been made by humans to teach the youngsters about aerodynamics and other means of flight. The gold flier was rebuilt as a model and proven to actually glide by the show UFO Hunters. It even landed with its nose up in the air, just like the space shuttle. The question is where did the ancients get the knowledge, and if they had it themselves, how and why did they lose it?

I have wondered that myself as to why they would use old fashioned rockets, but now think it is possible they had rocket clubs way back then for students to learn about flight.

3. The pyramids could of been built by humans using technologies not known to us. You make the claim the pharaohs had hundreds of thousands of workers, but the sites only show a few thousand inhabitants at best. There have been many discoveries showing the use of tools that the ancient Egyptians were not supposed to have at the time (Christopher Dunn is an engineer and has a few books out on this subject). The time given to construct the pyramids and other information from mainstream science does not make sense. Also, they always state the pyramids were used only as tombs, when artifacts suggest otherwise. Also, where are the mummies? Some always suggest they were stolen, but what the hell would thieves do with the bodies? They would of just taken the treasure and left the bodies there.

All the monuments in question were probably built with human hands and intervention. However, the possible technologies used and the reasons remain a big mystery. Did they use a type of levitation? Did they use an anti gravity device?

It is also true they did use pulley systems for smaller stones and moving stuff around. But when it came to the 100 ton behemoths, they used some other technology to move them so flawlessly. What it was remains a mystery.

4. Although there is much evidence to support microevolution of all species, there is yet to find any animal transitioning from one to another species. Modern humans appeared 400,000 years ago and lived along side the Neanderthals. The thinking before was that the Neanderthal was our ancestor, and DNA proves otherwise. Even the famous footprints that are a few million years old show human prints, when all of our ancestors had monkey feet still. The question of where modern humans came from is a very real one. Intervention theory is one of many to try and explain it.

I also don't like the term believers to be used as it denotes a faith based theory instead of a scientific one. The reality is the Ancient Astronaut Theory is just what it states: An alternative theory to the one given out by the mainstreamers. It has gathered up much circumstantial and physical evidence and has real researchers looking into it. While it is true there are quacks and kooks out there, the theory that is talked about and the questions raised are very valid. All most of us are asking is to give the theory a look at and not just laugh it off.

[angeloneastralseed]

Theseeker, take the time to read the older posts. I did, and yes, there is a lot of information but it is worth reading. Let's see who can come up with something that has not been discussed in a new thread.

[Ace Rimmer]

I deleted my last post because I have decided that this is quite....well...stupid. All we are doing is repeating what we have already said in other threads.

My thoughts as well.
We are all trying to get what we believe and why we believe it, why it is valid to us, into one thread.

What the forum is for is to have a thread/topic about individual ideas, theories, evidence, etc.....and not to try cram everything into one jumbled up mess. We have so many ideas and topics in this thread now it is impossible to keep up at this point.

I won't lock the thread, but I do suggest to theseeker, well to seek out threads on various topics and we can all continue to expound on our theories then.
Or settle on one topic per thread if you can't find something specific.

I realize it is easy to get off topic a bit in a thread, that is what conversations are all about, an abstract thought pops into your head. But we are all over the place here!

I hope this sounds resonable to everybody.

[Moon]

I think the main problem is the use of the word believer to describe those of us who hold the theory that our planet was visited and perhaps assisted by extraterrestrials in the past. The word is used to discourage any real scientists to actually look into the theory as believer connotes faith.

When a one sided word like believer is used, it means any posts on the validity of the theory will go unread.

[Ace Rimmer]

Ancient Alien Theorists sounds better.

[lunarwing]

I always use "Ancient Astronauts".... as soon as you say "aliens"... you get the "eye rolling" thing and then the "were they little green men?" thing.

[Gemini]

I prefer Intervention Theorists. Sounds more institutionalized, imo.

[OffaOfMercia]

As this is my first time posting anything on the internet, it may be a little rough. Just wanted to shoot some ideas out there. First off in regards to the question of "A.A"'s altering our D.N.A. I have an idea that it may have been an attempt to integrate themselves with stock already available on earth i.e. Neanderthals. If we were to migrate to another planet in order to carry on our species, I think we also would have to mix with indigenous species in order to adapt to a potentially hazardous enviroment. Maybe the A.A.'s did it here for no more reason than because they could. Why do we build skyscrapers? Because we can.

O.K. Secondly, ancient structures. Now I am also new to the fact that there are forums and outlets for people who are drawn to these theories as I am, so I am still a novice when it comes to all of the facts out there. From what I understand, all of the disputed structures are built on areas of high magnetisation. So besides the obvious navigational advantages of these locales, perhaps the A.A.'s felt most comfortable in these areas due to their own biological needs.

As to why these beings aren't around or aren't evident throughout every period of history, It's like most any great experiment. The more you try to control an experiment of natural process, the less relevant the results actually are. One of our biggest problems as humans is that we seem to only think of things in terms of no more than one human life span at a time. This is true of the universe, of God, of Gods, of politics, of the enviroment, ect. Granted, I believe we are getting better at this as we better realise the vastness of our surroundings, but it still impedes our next level of evolution. I think the A.A.'s don't have these roadblocks, and realising that goes a long way towards the why of the whole experiment we call life.

[Gemini]

From what I understand, all of the disputed structures are built on areas of high magnetisation.

Welcome to the forum.

I assume you are referring to Ley Lines. It is interesting that many of the ancient structures are built on those lines.

Take a look around, lots of great information here.

[Serene]

Well, I don't think our friend The Seeker has found his way back to the forum yet. Or perhaps he's just busy reading up....

[lunarwing]

He might of thought these nut jobs will be easy to mess with.

We just circled the wagons.....

[Ace Rimmer]

I hope he is doing some reading, we pointed him in enough directions to get him started.

[Moon]

I did notice the Seeker stopped seeking our inputs. No replies to those of us who thought about and answered his questions. Still, I don't mind as long as others learned a little something from this thread.

[Ace Rimmer]

I did notice the Seeker stopped seeking our inputs. No replies to those of us who thought about and answered his questions. Still, I don't mind as long as others learned a little something from this thread.

Yeah he did get a bit bombarded, there is enough information on here to get anybody interested and asking questions. It is actually overwhelming!

[lunarwing]

Ya'll are so sweet. It's almost like playing good cop/bad cop. /

[epiphanee]

Some questions for "Believers"

"Belief" has nothing to do with the preponderance of the evidence for advanced technology being used in the ancient past.

There would be huge ramifications if the mainstream science community starting talking about Nikola Tesla free wireless energy towers, for example. All part of hidden and suppressed histories.

Nikola Tesla is my hero. Free electricity and heat for our homes in the modern age. And yet crushed by capitalism. Capitalism didn't stop the Pyramids or the Megoliths or many many other proofs and points of history discovered and yet to be discovered.
Belief rests entirely in the realization of both natural and supernatural powers.
We did not start as neanderthals and keep advancing in technology, and build the largest, longest lasting megalithic structures on the earth. The building sites are mysterious because they have complicated designs and scales that match nature itself. And their purpose has dumbfounded scientists since their history was supposedly lost. We are deciphering the enormous pool of knowledge that went into ancient civilizations AND the truth the ancients were writing down as they saw it.
Several consequences have come of the decipherment leading up to this point in time- many of them leading to the advancement of modern technology. That puts the beginning of knowledge before the advancement of man. DNA modification is part of the story told in ancient texts. There are different species of homonids existing at the same time. Evolution says it was a slow process. History says it was a imperative event that took place virtually overnight all over the world. And with similar technologies. Nowadays we don't consider using stone in that magnitude because of the difficulty in moving the stone blocks, fitting the sizes together to balance perfectly, and in some instances the blocks have been melted and molded to fit together. According to conventional theory of DNA development, we are not supposed to have been capable of doing all of that in the infancy of the development of our technology.

[Kepesh]

I have to first admit, that I read only the first page of this thread before jumping to here, for the sake of time, but I just wanted tp add one bit.
The post that caught my eye on page one was a comment by Metaluna. "That we do not belong here".......which in fact, seems very true.
Of all of the catastrophies that man has created, some, were actually learned from. Most any biologist studying a habitat and it's history, will know quickly to spot an invasive species. In many instances, whether an island or continent, one species could be identified as the culprit responsible for reaking havock, causing the destruction of nearly the entire ecosystem. And, this has always been a newly introduced, invasive species, that the previous delicate cycle of life had no defence for. The rabbit infestation of Australia is a good example.
By the same measure, mankind has continued to be the main cause of destruction and extinction on this planet.
I call that "invasive" species.
Evolutionists call it "adaptability.
How does one "adapt" to something, by knowingly destroying it?

[Shaun_Omega]

I have to first admit, that I read only the first page of this thread before jumping to here, for the sake of time, but I just wanted tp add one bit.
The post that caught my eye on page one was a comment by Metaluna. "That we do not belong here".......which in fact, seems very true.
Of all of the catastrophies that man has created, some, were actually learned from. Most any biologist studying a habitat and it's history, will know quickly to spot an invasive species. In many instances, whether an island or continent, one species could be identified as the culprit responsible for reaking havock, causing the destruction of nearly the entire ecosystem. And, this has always been a newly introduced, invasive species, that the previous delicate cycle of life had no defence for. The rabbit infestation of Australia is a good example.
By the same measure, mankind has continued to be the main cause of destruction and extinction on this planet.
I call that "invasive" species.
Evolutionists call it "adaptability.
How does one "adapt" to something, by knowingly destroying it?

+1 kepesh, well stated!

[Fetapro]

[quote="theseeker"]Some questions for "Believers"

1. If the aliens were here for millions of years and advanced our civilization by helping the israelites, building the pyramids, etc., then where did they go? If they were so benevolent for so long, why have they completely abandoned us when we now have the technology and means to annihilate the entire earth?


Good question theseeker: My theory about the visitations by the aliens is based in the idea that during the course of earths history there have been several civilizations that have come and gone. The aliens tinkered with each one to try and create the outcome that they wanted but in each case the process failed. Why did it fail? I don't think you would believe me on that point. Where did they go? I see several possible answers to this. If the aliens were physical beings then they returned to location off the planet. They have bases underwater here in earth or underground on earth and have used these to remain out of sight (for the most part). Why? Because they are waiting for the end of 2012. If they were spiritual then they shifted to another dimension. (Physics has confirmed other dimensions beyond the four that we live in every day)
Also they have not remained in complete hiding. I read about a being who called himself Valiant Thor and visited the President in 1957. He proposed a model for operating the planet, (that the President rejected).
Some of the data from my reading about Val Thor suggested that he has a fleet of craft in locations around the planet, but are not visible to the naked eye. They may be detectable by instruments but it appears that the government of the world are unable or unwilling to confront these craft. I have a post somewhere in the list of subjects. If you locate my list of post it should be easy to find.
Did the aliens help the Egyptians build the pyramids? I am not sure if they did. I have data that shows that someone provided a form of advanced technology that the Egyptians used. It appears that the Egyptians were not the only ones to use the technology. Up in Syria, or Turkey,(I think) are stone blocks that were moved by an ancient people who lived there. These stone blocks dwarf the blocks that were used in the pyramids.We can't move blocks the size of the ones in Syria or Turkey with our biggest heavy equipment today. Yet an ancient people did just that.
I am not certain that the aliens were benevolent. The fact that they are in partial hiding today could be a sign that they are waiting for the right time to return. (End of 2012) I think.
The process that the "Aliens" and humans are involved in appears to be only one part of the puzzle. There are several levels of this process. (I don't think that you would believe me if I presented my theory on this matter.)
I will think about you other question and post ideas.
I hope this helps.

[Randyrrr]

I believe they live on this planet, well inside the planet in large city like places.
I believe that we may be a sort of decoy for others visiting.
Where they would say "They have nothing we want" and then they go.
I believe there are a few bases not under water but use the water to hide their way of entering the underground base or city.
There have been sightings of UFO's turning to a 45 degree angle and going right into the ground. This has been seen on numerous acations.
There have been sightings of UFO's going right into a volcano and coming out of the volcano. Has
anyone ever seen the Star Trek episode where a planet is being watched by the higher life forms but are hidden with technology.
If so, it would be something like that.
I also believe there are a couple of races here.
The Mayan talked about the underworld time after time.
The India people talk about Shangri-La a place "in the mountains".
Both hidden civilizations that hide from us, why, I don't know.
Like I said, maybe we are decoy to other visiting civilizations.
They might even we might be from Mars.
Maybe the pyramid is like us putting the flag on the moon.

Maybe we will find out with 2012 or Planet X.

Happy New Year

Randy

[Moon]

There are thousands of statues and sculptures which appear to show persons or possible extraterrestrials in space suits. When one looks at the items, they automatically see the stunning resemblance to gear an astronaut would wear.

I do think the main problem of most ancient astronaut theorists is they take that in itself as absolute proof we have been visited by extraterrestrials. That is not proof, but circumstantial evidence as the persons making the sculptures or statues might have just been creative.

While I do think one cannot state they all are coincidences, the thing we all must remember is none of that is real proof. What is needed is a find of a real space suit that dates thousands of years old.

Until something like that is found (or DNA tests from some specimens prove beyond a reasonable doubt), all we can do here is speculate.

A theory remains a theory until proof positive is found. Since these theories are so extraordinary, such proof needs to be extraordinary for science to accept it.

Many in the science community laugh at the idea and will not even consider it. In order to get them to actually look at the theory, there needs to be an incredible find that shows this theory is valid. Until that find, most will just treat this subject like a joke.

That is why it helps to have some very intelligent people out there working and stating why they think this theory is worth a look. But the search must go on for that ultimate find that will convince them otherwise.

[Serene]

What kind of material would that spacesuit have to be made of in order to survive 20,000, 100,000 or 400,000 years?? I doubt we would ever find anything like that, sorry.

[lunarwing]

Unless it was made of gold mylar.... and ferreted away like so many relics so no one could steal it or distroy it.

[Fetapro]

If the space suits had glass, or jewels, or perhaps a metal that does not oxidize included in them one of these materials might have survived.
One of the best location to search for these items should be Peru. The Nazca lines suggest contact, and the lack of rain might slow the process of oxidization.
Other area to search could be the deserts of the world. Australia might hold promise, the aborigines have legends about strange ancient visitors.
Work in the western part of China about ten years ago revealed mummies from about the year 3,000 BC. A woman was buried there who had red hair and was dressed in clothing from Scotland. Other artifacts from Scotland were buried with her. DNA studies of the wool in her clothes determined that it came from sheep that only lived in Scotland, and England at that time.
If wool can survive for that many years then perhaps parts of a space suit could also survive. If they were dated found from the period of 5,000 to say 1,000 BC then this would give a lot of validity to the Ancient Astronaut body of knowledge.

[Kepesh]

Max, that's why they call these "conspiracies".

If any other evidence pops up, it will simply be placed alongside other "out-of-place-artifacts", and dismissed away as a perpetrated hoax. Or, it will end up missing.
There is a lady in Peru, that has a piece of some type of metal, that she claims to have recovered from a crashed disk site. There are video's of it on Youtube somewhere. It indeed resembles a plate of torn metal, but has very unusual properties. Although it is not very thick, and is seeming as light as aluminum, beating it with a sledgehammer will not bend or dent it, and, it was found, that when flash photos were taken of it, it became very transparent where the flash was directed.
So, although this exists, it doesn't do the "cause" any good. Because she is is on youtube, not CNN.
The poor dear living in poverty, will not give the piece up for research. She knows it's value, and tourists visit the area and pay her for allowing them to hold it, and examine it. She will not let it out of her domain.
But, do you suppose this simple village woman crafted such a piece on her own?

[Trev12]

1. If the aliens were here for millions of years and advanced our civilization by helping the israelites, building the pyramids, etc., then where did they go? If they were so benevolent for so long, why have they completely abandoned us when we now have the technology and means to annihilate the entire earth?

They are still here IMHO. piloting what we call UFOs. They have as much
interest as announcing themselves to us as we have to a colony of
ants

2. Regarding the "gold flyer": If the aliens have the ability to manipulate gravity and the fabric of space/time in order to travel the necessary faster than light speed to visit earth, you really think they would be flying around in primitive airplane-like craft that have wings and normal propulsion? What possible need would they have for wings and a fuselage when they can manipulate gravity? Do you really think that that's more likely than its being a model of an insect, given that there are an estimated 5 to 8 million distinct insect species, with an estimate total of 10 quintillion insects on earth? That's a 10 with *18* zeroes after it! With all that diversity, isn't it *FAR* more likely that it's a model of a unique insect?

fair point

3. The pyramids: With all the evidence of the construction of the pyramids, from historical records, camp site and burial grounds of workers all around the pyramid complexes, huge stone-cut frescoes depicting cranes and workers moving blocks, worker graffiti on the inner-most complex stones of burial chambers, etc. why is it inconceivable that man built the pyramids? Why are they not able to build ramps and stack stones on top of each other? The pharaohs had hundreds of thousands of workers available and a huge food surplus every year. Also, what about the Colosseum in Rome? That too is a breathtaking display of technology and accomplishment created 2000 years ago, but is amply documented. What about the great wall of china? That required more stones and workers than all the pyramids, crossed the highest of mountain peaks, and the segments stretched for a total of thousands of miles. This was clearly done by humans, yet was a bigger task than the pyramids. So, clearly these monumental tasks do not require alien intervention

.
The great wall of China might have required more stones but were they
as big? The pyramid stones weightup to 15 tonnes.... also the great wall of China
doesnt have an astronomical function, whereas the giza pyramid
has .. the inner chambers point directly to different star systems...
plusthere is no evidence that the pyramid was build by Cheops only
silly graffitti that was forged by a man called Howard Vyse....

Finally have you ever looked at any of Christopher Dunns work? He is a
machinest and in his latest book (lost technologies of ancient Egypt) he
provides a lot of evidence for the use of huge saws and diamond tipped
tools to construct both the pyramids and the huge statues found in the
Egyptian temples. Many many egyptian statues and obliesks are either
made of Granite or Diorite which are the hardest stones in the world. To
sculpt them you need an even harder rock - i.e. diamond tipped tools.
The pyramids of Giza are great but the unfinished obliesk in Aswan is
even more amazing. A 1,000 ton slab of stone !

4. The "targeted mutation": If we humans were created by aliens to work as slaves in giant mines, why do we have evidence of an evolutionary progression over millions of years? If we were created with a "targeted mutation", then there should be only be two things: a primate version of us, and then only modern humans. But the archaeological and fossil records show that over millions of years our skulls, back, etc all evolved to its modern shape. Why would neanderthals have existed if we were created with a "targeted mutation". Would purpose would they serve? On a side note, why would they need slave workers? If they're powerful enough to manipulate gravity to get here, wouldn't they have advanced anti-gravity mining equipment? What possible need would they have for primates with chisels?

Thye created slave workers cause they were lazy. Why do all that work
when they can make a being to do it for them. Re: the neanderthal, take
a look at it...it is very different from human (homo sapien) .... if we
evolved to what we are it would have taken many millions more years

Occam's razor: the simplest solution is usually the correct one.

In my experience of life and knowing people esp in relationships
nothing is what it seems and in actual fact the simplist solution is rarely the correct one

[angeloneastralseed]

This thread should be saved for future "seekers"

"Ya just read the thread, we don't feel like repeating ourselves."

[Ace Rimmer]

This thread should be saved for future "seekers"

"Ya just read the thread, we don't feel like repeating ourselves."

It won't go anywhere, next time we have a curious new member we will direct them here.
"Boy do we ever have a thread for you!"

[Moon]

What kind of material would that spacesuit have to be made of in order to survive 20,000, 100,000 or 400,000 years?? I doubt we would ever find anything like that, sorry.

They would have to be made of very strong materials to have their inhabitants survive in a spaceship for long periods of time. They still find old clothing from thousands of years ago, and if they used polymers and other types of materials they would still survive after tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of years.

Most of the claims is that ancient astronauts visited us 5,000 to 15,000 years ago. Is the time now going to be raised when a question like this is raised so no one should expect to find evidence?

If one is using the scientific methods to try and prove this theory, then we have to ask ourselves the tough questions and look for the answers and evidence. I do believe it is out there, just not found yet.

[Ace Rimmer]

Look how long a plastic jug and styrofoam will last....just thought it was interesting.

Plastic Jug: 1 million years
Styrofoam: 1+ million years

[Moon]

They did find a wooden door intact from 4000 years ago in Europe. That is an area that has hot summers, wet springs and cold winters where you would not expect wood to last that long.

That is something on how long plastic will last on this planet.

[Ace Rimmer]

They did find a wooden door intact from 4000 years ago in Europe. That is an area that has hot summers, wet springs and cold winters where you would not expect wood to last that long.

That is something on how long plastic will last on this planet.

I saw that door, just recently, must have been on one of my adventures on Google. I can't find it now, but apparently other wood doors have been found as well.

SWISS ARCHAEOLOGISTS FIND 5,000 YEAR OLD DOOR

Archaeologists in the Swiss city of Zurich have found what may be the oldest ever found in Europe. Chief archaeologist Niels Bleicher says the ancient poplar wood door is "solid and elegant" with well-preserved hinges and a "remarkable" design for holding the boards together. The door has been dated to around 3,100-years B.C.

The door was part of a settlement of so-called "stilt houses" frequently found near lakes about a thousand years after agriculture and animal husbandry were first introduced to the pre-Alpine region. Archaeologists have found traces of at least five Neolithic villages believed to have existed at the site between 3,700 and 2,500 years B.C., including objects such as a flint dagger from what is now Italy and an elaborate hunting bow.

Harsh climatic conditions at the time meant people had to build solid houses that would keep out much of the cold wind that blew across Lake Zurich.

It is similar to another door found in nearby Pfaeffikon, while a third — made from one solid piece of wood — is believed to be even older, possibly dating back to 3,700 B.C., said Bleicher.

The latest find was discovered at the dig for what is intended to be a new underground car park for Zurich's opera house.