UPDATE: Starchild Skull FOXP2 Gene Recovered

[Moon]

From Lloyd Pye:

We have secured a new and vitally important DNA result!

Many of you may recall that some time ago I tried to explain the core element of what our geneticist needed to find. It was what he called a Golden Needle of functioning base pairs hidden within the 3+ billion base pair haystack of the Starchild's nuclear DNA genome. Instead, now he's found a DIAMOND NEEDLE!

In nuclear DNA, 95% of its 3+ billion base pairs is most commonly known as "junk" DNA because it doesn't code for any of the proteins we need to survive. It seems to have no useful function, so in terms of recovering DNA, when you recover from the junk area---which our geneticist has done with dozens of fragments---it provides information of only limited usefulness.

What we needed was something from the "coding" 5%, some stretch of DNA that actually worked, so it could be compared with its human corollary. Now we have that, and it's not just from a gene that actually works. No, it's much better than that! It is from one of the most important genes in not just the human body, but in the body of almost any complex life form that exists. Everything alive seems to carry this gene in one form or another.

It is called the FOXP2 gene, which comes from its formal name, "Forkhead Box" P2. In humans, it controls a cascade of 300 other genes as we develop from a zygote to a living being. If anything goes wrong in it, anything at all, even one small mutation, very bad things will happen to the carrier.

In all humans, the FOXP2 gene is so incredibly highly conserved that if we are "normal," our FOXP2 gene is identical---exactly the same!---in ALL OF US! There is not so much as a smidgen of difference because mutations usually kill us. Not always, but when they don't kill, they inevitably leave devastation in their wake.

The fragment of the Starchild's FOXP2 that has been recovered is VASTLY different from the human version! It is unmistakably FROM a FOXP2 gene, and one that is unmistakably human-LIKE, but it is indisputably NOT human, no matter how you slice it. So this is as much a home run as home runs get!

I won't say more here. It's much too extensive to explain in one of these Bytes. However, a new essay is now posted on the Starchild Project website at the link below. It is 4,000 words and will take most readers 15 to 20 minutes to get through. I STRONGLY URGE you to find time to read this important, and quite possibly historical document. It represents a real turning point for us.

The new essay makes crystal clear exactly why this new discovery should put us over the top with potential investors in the cost of recovering the entire genome. I don't normally crack the whip in these things, but I need as many of you as possible to read this essay so you'll understand the breakthrough we've made. I need your help to get the word out about it to a wider audience, so please Tweet it, Facebook it, or however you communicate with friends.

Wish us luck, and if you can chip in to help in any way, it will be, as you might imagine, greatly appreciated! Thanks for sticking with us to this turning point!

Here is the link to the story:

http://www.starchildproject.com/dna2012.htm

This does look promising that the smoking gun of extraterrestrial visitation is upon us.

[Coomba98]

Max,

Thanks for the update. Nice read. Wonder what will happen when they do find its an alien!

Coomba98

[forgottentales]

Max, Exciting Update~!! I have been really interested in the star child because the alien that was in my living room in the middle of the night, when I was 4yo, had a head shaped like a melon. That's the best description I can give. When I first saw the Star Child skull, BINGO.........Melon head~!! So, I have a deep personal interest in this skull.

[doctorword]

Was looking for this to put in my blog thanks!

[Buzi-Blu]

I'm not sure what to make of this, and what conclusions is the article getting at? What sequence of events could end up producing a skull such as this with a FOXP2 gene with such a huge number of variations? The presence of the FOXP2 gene indicates a long evolutionary history on earth, whereas an extraterrestrial would have an entirely different gene structure (presumably). I don't see interbreeding helping here, not with the two proposed creatures being so different.

It is indeed odd that there are strands that are undoubtedly FOXP2, but other sections are so different. Further testing definitely needs to be done but also a proposed mechanism to explain the results.

[Ace Rimmer]

I'm confused, but all I do care about is research is ongoing. If it is so vastly different, couldn't that mean it was a mutation ?
If it is indisputably not human, then there is nothing to question I suppose. That is why I prefaced my comment with my admittance of confusion.

It is called the FOXP2 gene, which comes from its formal name, "Forkhead Box" P2. In humans, it controls a cascade of 300 other genes as we develop from a zygote to a living being. If anything goes wrong in it, anything at all, even one small mutation, very bad things will happen to the carrier.

In all humans, the FOXP2 gene is so incredibly highly conserved that if we are "normal," our FOXP2 gene is identical---exactly the same!---in ALL OF US! There is not so much as a smidgen of difference because mutations usually kill us. Not always, but when they don't kill, they inevitably leave devastation in their wake.

The fragment of the Starchild's FOXP2 that has been recovered is VASTLY different from the human version! It is unmistakably FROM a FOXP2 gene, and one that is unmistakably human-LIKE, but it is indisputably NOT human, no matter how you slice it. So this is as much a home run as home runs get!

[Buzi-Blu]

I'm confused, but all I do care about is research is ongoing. If it is so vastly different, couldn't that mean it was a mutation ?
If it is indisputably not human, then there is nothing to question I suppose. That is why I prefaced my comment with my admittance of confusion.

But as the article says, even the smallest of mutations are damaging and usually result in death of the carrier, mind you this is a child's skull I believe, and so has died young. If it was extraterrestrial then I'd expect 100% difference. As it says, even a dog has only 27 differences from 211.


Source: http://www.starchildproject.com/dna2012.htm

[Ace Rimmer]

Oh thanks and I finally read the entire article on the website. I'm still not ready to accept that it is an Alien or Alien hybrid, but it's getting closer for me.

[Moon]

Oh thanks and I finally read the entire article on the website. I'm still not ready to accept that it is an Alien or Alien hybrid, but it's getting closer for me.

The thing I like is they are doing the research to find out what it is. It does get very technical on Mr Pye's website, but that can be a good thing for those who really know the subject of genetics and DNA.

I am not going to say alien yet, but it is looking more and more like that is the inevitable conclusion. The genome is needed to further convince the skeptics the Starchild Skull is quite real,

[Coomba98]

The thing that gets me puzzled is how the hell are we going to know its an Alien unless we have an 'Alien' specimen to confirm its origin. Especially when all we know of lifeforms is what we have on Earth. aka Carbon based life. (although were working on metal based life this is still in its infancy) :-
http://www.news.com.au/technology/sci-t ... 6221843753

To find a humanoid life form on Earth that is vastly different to Homo-Sapians does not confirm the proof of Aliens. Sure does help its case but does not prove it. Again we need a comparison 'Alien' specimen for this confirmation. Also most of what is in the Starchild could have evolved from Earth.

If, as some believe we are hybrids, then would our own DNA lead towards it being an Earthling? Again if all we know is Earth based life and Earth based life was manipulated then how would we know its Alien? When 'Alien' is the norm?

Must admit im personally hoping its Alien. But this hope is unfortunately based on dreams and fantasies. lol. But the hope is still there.

Coomba98

[Moon]

What category do we put it in? That is the question as it does not fit any category of species in the world.

[Caveman In Space]

Interesting. I'll lend my full ear to the situation when they have the complete report available even though the preliminary one is very intriguing.

-C.M.

[homeworld]

Well at first scientists established, through mtDNA tests, that it`s human and that the skull`s shape could be explained by the child being sick from congenital hydrocephalus. However it doesn`t look at all human to me so I think it`s impossible for a human to become this deformed from a disease. I think it`s an alien and also hope...

[Moon]

Lloyd Pye was interviewed on Coast to Coast last night about the Starchild Skull and the new DNA find:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2012/03/05

This should help explain what was found and why it is important.

[Sunrisepony]

Coomba

We're an combination of about 23-25 different Alien/Off Worlder Races as it is, that's why we have all that extra DNA, it's the genetic Memories and such of all the different races that contributed to the genetic engineering of us. If they're not finding any comparable one here on Terra/Earth, then it comes down to not being one of the 23-25 different races we're combination of. Maybe it's a Gray, which would then mean it's an Insectoid/Reptoid hybrid because that's what those little parasites are.

[Coomba98]

Hows it going all.

Mercury,

What category do we put it in? That is the question as it does not fit any category of species in the world.

Does that apply to the new species we find today? Its still in the humaniod family but very different no doubt. But still could have evolved from Earth. Or created with what is already here.

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2012/03/05 <---Will comment here when I here it. Im interested so ill get back to you.---->


Homeworld,

MtDNA is very important in a certain aspect. This confirms that the mother was 'Human'. Or it not very very close to it. An example here would be the cross breeding of Homo-Sapians and Neanderthal or Homo-Erectus. Or another humaniod that caused this genetic defect. But good point of that the Mitochondrials come into it. lol . Man I always think of Star Wars when I talk of Mt DNA.

'Midi-Chlorians' Sorry couldnt help myself.

Sunrisepony,

We're a combination of about 23-25 different Alien/Off Worlder Races

Ill follow in the logical...possibly ignorant position.

If this is the case then this proves one of my points. How can we know its Alien if we have not way to compare. Or if we are part alien then how do we know the alien part if all we know is this is us? Everything we know of genetically and biologically is Earth based. And if all Earth based life forms are unique and also segregated, then how do we know its alien? If it is infact....Alien.

Maybe it's a Gray, which would then mean it's an Insectoid/Reptoid hybrid because that's what those little parasites are.

Parasite. Definition.
1.An organism that lives in or on another organism (its host {or planet}) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the host's expense.
2.derogatory. A person who habitually relies on or exploits others and gives nothing in return

.....sorry to say it but does this not describe a Human? Looking from the outside in. Sometimes its sad to think (the communal) you are the same species as the one these people belong to.

Coomba98

[kcanmoore]

Doesn’t the term “extraterrestrial” mean “not from or of earth”? This finding, added to all of the other differences between the Starchild skull and human skulls indicates that the skull is from an extraterrestrial entity. However, the mitochondrial DNA matches human, which would further indicate the possibility of an alien zygote having been inserted into a human egg and developed that way. I wonder about the fact this skull was carbon dated at about 900 years old; references, drawings and sculptures about beings from heaven or they sky date back more than 3000 years. This raised the question: what if the aliens either genetically neutered themselves for some unknown reason or that particular mutation happened to them from an outside source? Suppose a species so technologically advanced was dying out because even their technology could not grow a zygote into a fetus in a laboratory. Perhaps they went looking for surrogate mothers and found the hominids on earth. If so, that would explain why the mitochondrial DNA matches human DNA. Is it possible that they stayed here long enough to mutate them into what humans are today in order to make use of their reproductive processes? What if they want humans simply because we can breed so rapidly and they have been using us for centuries to birth their babies?

[Ace Rimmer]

That makes me think about all of the abductions stories where Aliens are taking eggs and sperm from human's.
Or they are fertilizing earth women with who knows what kind of sperm or implanting eggs and then later abducting the same women and removing whatever they had growing in them. The star child's mother might have been able to get away and hide. Just thinking out loud here.

[homeworld]

Doesn’t the term “extraterrestrial” mean “not from or of earth”? This finding, added to all of the other differences between the Starchild skull and human skulls indicates that the skull is from an extraterrestrial entity.

Great point kcanmoore because if indeed the Starchild`s DNA is not a close enough match to any known species on Earth than there are two possibilities:
1) It`s of extraterrestrial origin;
2) It`s a newly discovered terrestrial species.
But when you think about it, what are the chances that this Starchild belonged to a race of Earthlings? I would say almost none because we would`ve found other evidence by now. Another argument is that their population should have been large enough to leave more behind.

[Moon]

A chimpanzee is closer in DNA to a human than the Starchild Skull is. There is a lot of information on what was found in the DNA and how it relates to other animals.

http://www.lloydpye.com/starchildskull.htm

[Dr. Z]

Very interesting thread. Thanks for posting it.

[Foxlike Mulder]

I think this is also one of the more compelling pieces of alien/UFO existence. However, there are some challenges with this project.

I was able to find a friend of a friend who is in genetics research; she works for a private lab as a genetics research investigator. I don't really know her, so there is only so much I felt comfortable asking her, but I did send her to the site with the latest information on the FOXP2 testing. While she stated she was openminded about "other life forms", her feedback was quite skeptical based on the lack of disclosure on accepted scientific testing detail (things like sequencing libraries, types of machines used for sequencing, how many lanes for sequencing and true depth of coverage). I honestly don't know what she means, but based on the manuspcript Mr. Pye wrote, she certainly knew what questions to ask...and I quickly learned that I don't.

What does this mean? Well, to me, it definitely shows the scientific community will be very skeptical of any evidence coming from Mr. Pye under the current testing environment...maybe that's stating the obvious, but behind that statement is the ever present debunker who will do just what my friend-of-a-friend did over the weekend. I do believe Mr. Pye and I think he is doing the best with what he has to work with. However, if he is right in his assertion, then he will have to do a better job with the process of testing, not just completing more extensive tests. My beliefs based on those results mean little...the vast majority are not the converted and they will need "extraordinary proof" (just like what you say Mercury, yes?). What Mr. Pye is doing is still debunkable. My friend-of-a-friend pretty much said if it's not coming from an academic institution, it will have no chance at being accepted by the mainstream.

So, why not get this to a university so it can be analyzed with commonly practiced, accepted and documented DNA testing procedures so in the end, the debunkers will have less to point their fingers at?

[Moon]

Lloyd Pye brings up something interesting in his latest email about the Starchild Skull:

We're doing great with new interest on several fronts since the annoucement of the fragment recovered from its FOXP2 gene. If you have not read the essay about this yet, you really should. It's 4,000 words and is available at:

http://www.starchildproject.com/dna2012.htm.

But the new news is found in this article:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/ ... rmed-space

It talks about the discovery that in all astronauts who spend extended time in space, they come back to Earth with noticeable distortion in the rear of their eye sockets, which changes the quality of their vision! This is a fascinating result of long-term exposure of humans in space, but it also applies to the Starchild Skull. One of its most noticeable features is the extreme shallowness of its eye sockets, making them absolutely nothing like human eye sockets, yet they are stunningly symmetrical and therefore meant to be built as they are.

It is not absolute evidence of where the skull came from, but adds an interesting twist to this.

[siren13]

I had enjoyed what I heard of the coast to coast am show the night it aired. I usually sleep to that program anyhow.

[cRush]

I think this is also one of the more compelling pieces of alien/UFO existence. However, there are some challenges with this project.

I was able to find a friend of a friend who is in genetics research; she works for a private lab as a genetics research investigator. I don't really know her, so there is only so much I felt comfortable asking her, but I did send her to the site with the latest information on the FOXP2 testing. While she stated she was openminded about "other life forms", her feedback was quite skeptical based on the lack of disclosure on accepted scientific testing detail (things like sequencing libraries, types of machines used for sequencing, how many lanes for sequencing and true depth of coverage). I honestly don't know what she means, but based on the manuspcript Mr. Pye wrote, she certainly knew what questions to ask...and I quickly learned that I don't.

What does this mean? Well, to me, it definitely shows the scientific community will be very skeptical of any evidence coming from Mr. Pye under the current testing environment...maybe that's stating the obvious, but behind that statement is the ever present debunker who will do just what my friend-of-a-friend did over the weekend. I do believe Mr. Pye and I think he is doing the best with what he has to work with. However, if he is right in his assertion, then he will have to do a better job with the process of testing, not just completing more extensive tests. My beliefs based on those results mean little...the vast majority are not the converted and they will need "extraordinary proof" (just like what you say Mercury, yes?). What Mr. Pye is doing is still debunkable. My friend-of-a-friend pretty much said if it's not coming from an academic institution, it will have no chance at being accepted by the mainstream.

So, why not get this to a university so it can be analyzed with commonly practiced, accepted and documented DNA testing procedures so in the end, the debunkers will have less to point their fingers at?

I agree FLM. Without all the technical specifications, and a detailed description of the testing process, this is just bait for debunkers. The scientific community won't buy this regardless of the "findings" if there isn't significant documentation of the process taking to discover those findings.

It's like looking at a math problem to which you know the answer. However, it's going to be marked wrong if you can't show the teacher how you came to find that answer. It's simply not good enough to say "we found this" without saying exactly how it was found.

The more this skull is tested, the more likely it is to become damaged/contaminated, which means eventually, it won't be testable anymore. Maybe we are lucky, and this draws enough attention, however, to warrant closer examination by a scholarly, well accredited body capable of doing the same tests.