On December, 21 2012...

[Bob137]

Day 365 -18 hours, 45 minutes, and T-seconds and counting down.

[yerock III stoneman]

On December 21, 2012, I believe we all will witness the Fall of Phaeton. It's happened before, and it's gonna happen again. Does that mean there will be some great cataclysmic event, caused by nature, a fire in the sky, doomsday on earth, or even contact with ET?
In Plato's Timaeus, an Egyptian priest tells Solon the legend of Phaeton "has the air of a fable; but the truth behind it is a parallaxis (deviation) of the bodies that revolve in heaven round the earth, and a destruction, occurring at long intervals, of things on earth by a great conflagration."
The story has also been covered by Manilius, Ovid, Nonnos, and Aristotle, to name a few. It's part of the fabric of myths around the world. Phaeton wreaks havoc in the heavens and the earth with the sun chariot, and drops the reigns at the sight of Scorpio. The axle bent that runs through the middle of the revolving heavens. All the constellations fell out of place. The north grew warm, the bears retired (ursa major and minor?) Zeus intervenes by zapping the kid with lightning, hurling him down into the River Eridanus. Strabo said Eridanus "nowhere on earth existed." But it did as a constellation.
Even Atlas was brought to his knees, struggling to hold up the earth. In fact, the image of Atlas on his knees is memorializing that ill fated moment. What the heck was going on here, at such an important moment in time? And what does it all have to do with 12/21/2012, the Mayan calendar end date?
On December 21 the sun aligns with the center of the Milky Way galaxy. If you've charted Precession, then using the sun (and winter solstice) with the only band that cuts across the sky to start/end you're calendar would seem a wise choice. Giorgio de Santillana and Hertha von Deschend's Hamlets Mill is a must read on this subject. They say "Once the Precession had been discovered, the Milky Way took on a new and decisive significance. For it was not only the most spectacular band of heaven, it was also a reference point from which the Precession could be imagined to have taken it's start."
The Age of Pisces is expiring. The Solstice and Equinox colors are moving on to the fixed constellations. The fixed constellations: Aquarius, Taurus, Leo, and Scorpio. Funny, how the zodiac is designed so that as the sun aligns with the center of the galaxy on the winter solstice, we return back to the fixed constellations. And the Mayan calender ends/starts over. It's not only the end of the Age of Pisces, I think it's the end of the Great Precessional cycle of 25,960 years.
So, the rulers of the old age must go. Time for Saturn to dive into the depths of the ocean (all the way down to Canopus and the stars thought unaffected by precession), and return with the new rulers of the four corners.
John Barleycorn must die, and his bones ground to dust by the revolving mill of the heavens.
And for us, what scenario should we expect as we walk out the door this December? Other than some people trying to make something happen, will there be any noticable changes taking place? ... It's highly doubtful. However, I think it's well worth mentioning the association made by ancient man with the end of world ages and worldwide cataclysms. That link is hard to shake off. Same with the association of cataclysmic events and alien intervention.
Oh well, I suppose on 12/21/2012 I'll pour a drink and make a toast: The great Pan is dead, bring on the new king (Atlas).
... Peace.

[Moon]

Interesting idea, Corey. I had not heard of that story. Another thing to look out for in the skies along with Nibiru.

[ThePhiGuy]

I suspect that a lot of the "End of the World" prophecies all relate back to the prophecies made in ancient India.

It was said that at the end of every age, Shiva, "the destroyer", would come and destroy all the gods of the ending age to make way for the gods of the New Age. Vishnu, "the preserver" was also supposed to return to preserve the remnant who would become the new gods.

Evidently, these gods were thought to pretty much "wipe the slate clean" as one age ended and another began.

[Bob137]

Then maybe the world will be rid of Christianity, Islam, and all the others, and start anew based upon, I wonder what the Aquarian, a water Go0d such as Poseidon, or something altogether new and different, or maybe as is space is considered like water, that it will be more of an intergalactic, or universal space based consciousness of humanity. Maybe a Poseidon of the Universe concept. Or a Starship Poseidon as in Star Trek.

[forgottentales]

I remember all the planets aligning before. I don't remember what year but wasnt it during the 'Age of Aquarius"? Nothing happened. Hey, the Mayan Calendar was round. Round things have no beginning and no end.

[Moon]

Neptune being in charge is alright with me:

When the moon is in the Seventh House
And Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars

This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius
The Age of Aquarius
Aquarius! Aquarius!

Harmony and understanding
Sympathy and trust abounding
No more falsehoods or derisions
Golden living dreams of visions
Mystic crystal revelation
And the mind's true liberation
Aquarius! Aquarius!

When the moon is in the Seventh House
And Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars

This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius
The Age of Aquarius
Aquarius! Aquarius!

Let the sun shine, Let the sun shine in
The sun shine in
Let the sun shine, Let the sun shine in
The sun shine in
Let the sun shine, Let the sun shine in
The sun shine in
Let the sun shine, Let the sun shine in
The sun shine in
Let the sun shine, Let the sun shine in
The sun shine in
Let the sun shine, Let the sun shine in
The sun shine in
Let the sun shine, Let the sun shine in
The sun shine in
Let the sun shine, Let the sun shine in
The sun shine in
Let the sun shine, Let the sun shine in
The sun shine in
Let the sun shine, Let the sun shine in
The sun shine in
Let the sun shine, Let the sun shine in
The sun shine in

(I love the version in the movie Hair! .)

[yerock III stoneman]

From the tablets of Era-Epos. As translated by P. Gossman.
Era: Open the way, I will take the road,
The days are ended, the fixed time had past.
Marduk ( aka Zeus, Jupiter, Indra, ect) :
" When I stood up from my seat and let the flood break in,
then the judgement of Earth and Heaven went out of joint...
The gods, which trembled, the stars of heaven - their position changed, and I did not bring them back."
... Precession of the Equinoxes once again, eh?
... Peace.

[Bob137]

Who knows for sure what will happen, will it just be a changing of the equinoxes? Will it be a shifting of the earth? Will it be a shift in the position of our moon relative to earth? Will it be just solar anomalies? Will it be flooding of the lands, and changes in geography? Will it be devastation, or widespread spiritual consciousness uplift? will it be all of the above, or none? We shall soon see, as the days approach upon us, like the wind across the earth.

[yerock III stoneman]

"The Bird of Time has but a little way to flutter - and the Bird is on the Wing." - from the Rubaiyat of Omar Kayyam
... In the meantime, I look forward to the Fanusi Khiyal shows, but only if they're well done.
... Peace.

[Don Morace]

Hi Folks,Don here.The Mayan calendar does a lot more than count an epic(5,125 yrs each or so)but also the numerical time of each zodiacal sign(coming up on Aquarious which was Enki's sign) and the total of all the zodical signs which gives you 1 whole precessional cycle(25,725 yrs.).One zodiacal time period was the allotted time for the ruler of earth to stay in power(ancient astronaut),just going by the shape of each sign wasn't accurrate enough because some signs are smaller than others ea:Libra vs.Scorpio or the bull etc.That's one of the reasons why people all over the ancient world were obsessed with keeping track of the stars and time periods.When we get halfway through the precessional time period we'll have a new north star.Don out.............................

[Bob137]

Any idea on what will be the new North Star?

[yerock III stoneman]

The next star to take over the celestial north pole is Gamma Cephei Alrai. However, it won't be closer than the present pole star - Polaris till @ 3000 AD.
... Polaris has a maximum declination from the celestial pole February, 2012. ... Very interesting.
At any rate, 12/21/2012 should be treated as a New Years celebration that only comes round once every 25,960 years. (that is the canonical number for an occurance that shifts with time).
... Peace.

[Bob137]

I agree, it should be the biggest celebration in our time!

[yerock III stoneman]

Hey Bob137, exactly my point. Let's celebrate the end/beginning of the biggest year known on earth.
We celebrate millenniums, decades, new years, birthdays, why not the Great Precessional Year of 25,960 years.
... Peace.

[JessieD]

I think that there might be a pole shift that (ultimately) shifts the world climate. Not the end of the world, but that Antarctica ice shelf looming over the ocean will probably fall apart and slam into Chile. The pole shift could also make the Mississippi River flood (as Edgar Cayce predicted), create earthquakes, etc etc. BUT, I think that 2012 is just the start of a long forming physical change to the planet that could very well take a few hundred years. All in all, have some extra cash hand, some food stored up, and don't forget your can opener or toothbrush.

[Bob137]

It probably wouldn't hurt to have some gold either, just in case the dollar falls, and/or fails, and/or if the Annuanki come back, and want gold again!

[Thath]

Let's all play the song "It's the end of the world" by REM when/if it happens !

[seeker1117]

I just want it to be The Absolute End of the Reign of The Evil Ones who have controlled this planet for far too long. Physical earth changes? I'm OK with that. I just want to think that we really just MIGHT be heading into some sort of "Golden Age" at last, after all the horrid things that we've had to endure...especially the events of last 12 years, which I can only liken to The Dark Ages.

[Bob137]

The suppression of peoples in today's world to me, is also similar to the dark ages of past, where natural and other worldly thought were considered taboo, and went against the ruling class. Such as is today, where all over the earth people are coming to disdain the ruling class, and elite, and the elite do their best to suppress everyone else, so as to keep control over all. It is a sad state of affairs, when the majority are ruled by the few, for greed and power. Some say it is the best system, I say it is one of the worst. The ism's are in control, and they do not like interdependency!

[Ace Rimmer]

Hence my signature quote by Kurt Vonnegut, which I completely believe.

As far as our future I like this thought from another great mind, Mel Brooks.

Hope for the best expect the worst.

[seeker1117]

I'll go with: "Hope for the best, and have no expectations."

After what my sweetie and I have been through this past year and a half, I've come to the conclusion that if you expect the worst, the worst is what you'll get. ie: we've GOT to stay positive, no matter what.

Not in a "pollyanna" way, no...but dammit, we've got to stay positive!

Since I still can't figure out how to post a pic here, here's a link to the best desktop pic I've ever downloaded...firmly planted on the screens of both our Macs.

http://wallbase.cc/wallpaper/249727

[Ace Rimmer]

Here we go I saved it to my computer and reduced it and then saved it in photobucket.

I agree we need to stay positive.

[yerock III stoneman]

"Waterfall, nothing can harm me at all,
My worries seem so very small,
With my waterfall." - J.H.
Thnx for the pix.
... Peace.

[seeker1117]

dankes fer makin' this ol' hippie smile...that's my absolute fave Jimi tune!

And thx for posting the pic, Metaluna...it's somethin' that everybody needs to see!

[yerock III stoneman]

Yer welcome, Seeker, anytime. Never tried playing that one on guitar, but I can ring every note in my head.
Jimi thought we were gonna go thru some major changes, but around 1999. Funny, how there were reports of UFOs at his Maui concerts.
... Peace.

[dravosa]

I can say I definitely know what I'll be doing and where I'll be on 12/21/2012. I'll be celebrating my 37th B-day with my family and friends, and If something does happen (Alien visitation/disclosure, natural disasters, end of the world etc...) Well so be it. Life either goes on or it doesn't. Would love to see an end to all the hate and discrimination, and all the crooks in government finally brought to justice for their crimes and lies, and would really love a spiritual awakening or positive change to occur. Either way its gonna be a heck of a year and the most important thing is being with family and friends in these troubling and uncertain times. So live life to the fullest and remember to thank whatever higher power you may believe in that you wake up each morning and have the opportunity to love and be loved. Life is way to short and you never know what could happen or when so there's no real point in worrying about it. Just enjoy it till the end. (Whenever that may be)

[Bob137]

I can say I definitely know what I'll be doing and where I'll be on 12/21/2012. I'll be celebrating my 37th B-day with my family and friends, and If something does happen (Alien visitation/disclosure, natural disasters, end of the world etc...) Well so be it. Life either goes on or it doesn't. Would love to see an end to all the hate and discrimination, and all the crooks in government finally brought to justice for their crimes and lies, and would really love a spiritual awakening or positive change to occur. Either way its gonna be a heck of a year and the most important thing is being with family and friends in these troubling and uncertain times. So live life to the fullest and remember to thank whatever higher power you may believe in that you wake up each morning and have the opportunity to love and be loved. Life is way to short and you never know what could happen or when so there's no real point in worrying about it. Just enjoy it till the end. (Whenever that may be)

Ditto! Except for the Birthday part.

[Ace Rimmer]

I so agree, we need to dwell on the positive in life.

[Ihatecoverups]

I cannot say whether there will be a catastrophe of cataclysmic events. Only time will tell. But, we should be prepared for anything. If it was meant to be, there is no stopping it. I'm content with myself, any am ready for anything. If it is my time, than it is my time. I think people should turn to their maker, whomever they may consider that to be (God, ET's etc.) for guidance and help during these times of trial and tribulation. Maybe they can spare you if you are truly loyal, if not in this lifetime, perhaps the next. I'd like the Earth to continue going threw its inevitable changes. What I'm worried about is what we have done to Earth. The Hopi Indians have foretold of a great rising of tide of Mother Nature, seeking revenge against all those whom have attacked her. I think we all know whats going on in the world today with; pollution, global warming, drilling the Earth and Oceans for oil way too much, some men destroying Mother Nature and her creatures for self profit and pleasure with no conservation what-so-ever, and wars that could be avoided or fought in a smarter way. We don't even know the extent of impact we've had on our own oceans. By now it could already be too late; who's to say. We haven't explored it enough. I think like some, 2012 is going to be a crucial period in our Earth lifetime, in-which we as humans must make some very serious decisions, about how to treat our planet and other humans. A time of extreme change. Hopefully, we make the right decisions and are able to stop some of the things that are going on now. However, we can't wait until 2012 to do this. Action must be taken immediately. If the Earth was meant to end in 2012, than that is its destiny. I just hope it's not because of us. If it ends I wish it to be from a NATURAL catastrophe of cataclysmic events. I like to look at 2012 as not the end, but a new beginning.
Andrew

[Dagg3tt]

Had this thought in one of my lectures today and it seemed too perfectly timed for it to be a coincidence...

Wrote this to my friend so just copying and pasting my idea; if any of the dates and facts are off please correct me =]!

"Ok so the Mayan long count calendar comes too an end on the 21st, this accounts for our solar system finishing its 5,126 year cycle. In Ancient Egypt we know that its history of Pharaohs dates back to around 3,000bc. Before then the Demi-Gods ruled Egypt for i think something like 28,000 years and before them were the original Gods like Osiris, Aten, Horus and so on and they ruled Egypt for around 50,000 years! But of course modern day archaeology ignores all of this history as 'Gods' dont exist therefore all of it is lies...

But yes so what im getting at is the fact that the Demi-Gods finished their rule just before 3,000bc, and that we are in the year 2012, it has pretty much roughly been an entire 5,126 years give or take a few since then.

It seems pretty much perfect timing; as to me it makes sense that the Gods would leave, give us the whole cycle of our Solar System (5,126 years) to see how we get on and progress, and then return...

The more I think about it the more i feel something is gonna happen! it seems too perfectly timed and yeah we can say that Dates dont count for actual time elapsed, but this is why the Mayans thought it would be a good idea to trace all their dates back using their calendar and build an actual, practical timeline, instead of just starting it from when they first became civilised.

Thoughts? =P"

[Tawny]

i believe the aliens will return, its gonna be awesome!

[polaris]

Had this thought in one of my lectures today and it seemed too perfectly timed for it to be a coincidence...

Wrote this to my friend so just copying and pasting my idea; if any of the dates and facts are off please correct me =]!

"Ok so the Mayan long count calendar comes too an end on the 21st, this accounts for our solar system finishing its 5,126 year cycle. In Ancient Egypt we know that its history of Pharaohs dates back to around 3,000bc. Before then the Demi-Gods ruled Egypt for i think something like 28,000 years and before them were the original Gods like Osiris, Aten, Horus and so on and they ruled Egypt for around 50,000 years! But of course modern day archaeology ignores all of this history as 'Gods' dont exist therefore all of it is lies...

But yes so what im getting at is the fact that the Demi-Gods finished their rule just before 3,000bc, and that we are in the year 2012, it has pretty much roughly been an entire 5,126 years give or take a few since then.

It seems pretty much perfect timing; as to me it makes sense that the Gods would leave, give us the whole cycle of our Solar System (5,126 years) to see how we get on and progress, and then return...

The more I think about it the more i feel something is gonna happen! it seems too perfectly timed and yeah we can say that Dates dont count for actual time elapsed, but this is why the Mayans thought it would be a good idea to trace all their dates back using their calendar and build an actual, practical timeline, instead of just starting it from when they first became civilized.

Thoughts? =P"

The Mayan Sun Calendar measures a time period of 1,872,000 days long, if you want to convert to years then divide by 365.2424 = 5125. Synchronizing the Mayan and Julian Calendars was done by a Catholic priest (i do not trust that organization), it falling on the winter solstice supports my distrust. The vernal equinox is more to my liking but the Mayans liked the summer solstice... so it more likely falls on one of those two earth-sun alignments.

Regarding Egyptian history - your sequence is close as it was for the other four races:
Gods, then
Demi-gods, then
Human kings
IMV, the Sumerians' gods are Nibiruans, the demigods are half-breeds (half Nibiruan + half human), the human kings were quarter-breeds etc...

2012 AD - 5125 yrs = 3113 BC
2763 BC - Begins the rule of the Pharaohs (human kings or demigods?)...

The Mayans were taught that their calendar was/is the solar system with respect to the earth or earth's solar system calendar. With it, one can track all solar bodies orbiting the sun - that can/will eventually collide with the earth. How the days are tracked within the calendar is ingenious!!!! The Mayans record that we are entering the 6th Sun...so their time begins at 28,740 BC!!!
And what is also cool about this day count is that it is synchronous with how the other four counted their time!!

[AnuAtlantian]

It will be the Galactic New Year, that the Sun travels around the 12 constellations back to the beginning every 26 thousand years ( 25920 years exactly ) starting the age of Aquarius.
72yrs x 30 = 2160years each zodiac astrology constellation
2160yrs x 12 = 25920 Happy Galactic New Year ( the great year )

What can happen? A serious Solar Flare giving a Global EMP (electro magnetic pulse) causing
a global blackout. Shorting zapping every electronic and computer device on Earth. (can really happen a global blackout)
No big deal, except that we now are so dependent on electronic and computers, running on everything we have now, all cars trucks ships planes and businesses will shut down and not work.
Causing collapse of all business and transportation and electric power to the planet.
Food will run out in days, and those who didnt store away a supply of food and water will starve and panic.

Only thing to save Earth modern world from global collapse is to back up business with older style mechanical equipment and transport, paper and pen typewriter paper files, paperwork documents vehicals like in the 1950s. In that era everything ran mechanically without electronics.
Not to panic, im sure everyone has food and water put away in case of disasters, and a metal box to put away extra computers drives phones and radios.
quote from - http://www.facebook.com/december212012newyear

[polaris]

It will be the Galactic New Year, that the Sun travels around the 12 constellations back to the beginning every 26 thousand years ( 25920 years exactly ) starting the age of Aquarius.
72yrs x 30 = 2160years each zodiac astrology constellation
2160yrs x 12 = 25920 Happy Galactic New Year ( the great year )

What can happen? A serious Solar Flare giving a Global EMP (electro magnetic pulse) causing
a global blackout. Shorting zapping every electronic and computer device on Earth. (can really happen a global blackout)
No big deal, except that we now are so dependent on electronic and computers, running on everything we have now, all cars trucks ships planes and businesses will shut down and not work.
Causing collapse of all business and transportation and electric power to the planet.
Food will run out in days, and those who didnt store away a supply of food and water will starve and panic.

Only thing to save Earth modern world from global collapse is to back up business with older style mechanical equipment and transport, paper and pen typewriter paper files, paperwork documents vehicals like in the 1950s. In that era everything ran mechanically without electronics.
Not to panic, im sure everyone has food and water put away in case of disasters, and a metal box to put away extra computers drives phones and radios.
quote from - http://www.facebook.com/december212012newyear

The Christian Catholics et al have been rewriting history AGAIN! The original zodiac has 13 signs!!
And now the similarities between time and space of the five races start to reveal their common origin...
Whether 12 or 13 signs, the rate of precession is still the same thus measures the same time period.
1 wobble of precession = 1,872,000 x 5 = 9,360,000
divided by 12 = 780,000 days = 2135.56 years
divided by 13 = 720,000 days = 1971.30 years

PS Glad to hear you survived the perils of Sandy