Starchild Skull and all things Lloyd Pye

[Moon]

There is a newer video on the preliminary results of the Starchild Skull DNA tests. They are very interesting, but more testing needs to be done, plus the usual peer reviews.

http://www.starchildproject.com/

I have been following this for a while, and hope it does turn out to be the smoking gun that it promises to be. This is one of the few tangible finds that has not fallen to the wayside or has been hidden in some academia circles. I did not know where to post this, and this seems appropriate.

UPDATED:

I have merged all of my threads on the Starchild Skull, Elongated Skulls and other aspects of Lloyd Pye to keep the discussion in one place. There will be some double posts and I am going to keep them all intact.

Mercury

[cesarnc]

So it's "non-human" being born in a human female. Actually no DNA match found on this Earth. Born in a human female...

As Pye said, even if there is a non-ET explaination to it, we will still have to swallow that there was genetic engeneering 900 years ago...

[Hawklady]

I wonder if the human DNA is Mayan? This sure follows the ancestoral history of their gods.

[Moon]

I am not sure what tribe the mother is from, just that she is human. The video seems to state that it was an alien baby born of a human mother who was a surrogate.

This is a fascinating subject, and I recommend going to the library and checking out his book about the Starchild. Reading the history of how he came upon it and his struggles to get the funding for the rather expensive testing that needs to be done. There is much controversy as Mr Pye has asked for people to purchase the book and donate for the research. In his defense, these are long tests that take many hundreds of man hours to complete. The researchers have to compare the DNA to all animals to rule out them. Although computers are used for much, it needs a human eye to really do the comparing.

I am not a shill for Mr Pye, but do think people should look at both sides of the story before making a judgment.

[cesarnc]

any news on this?

[Moon]

I get emails from both of Lloyd Pye's sites and have not heard anything yet. He does post videos of what is new on the site:

http://www.starchildproject.com/

I am hoping to hear more about the progress, but I do understand the tests take a while to complete.

If I get an email from Mr Pye, I will share it with everyone.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1217613/

[PegasusAngel]

I originally saw a video about this on Facebook via a friend, I thought it was really interesting and am looking forward to hearing more about it...

[Moon]

I originally saw a video about this on Facebook via a friend, I thought it was really interesting and am looking forward to hearing more about it...

One of the problems is it takes a long time to get test results for DNA. Also, it does cost a lot of money to have these tests done. I visit the site often, but have not had any emails from the site as of late. Any email I get, I will put it up here (or the information in it) to keep members updated on this remarkable Starchild skull.

[PegasusAngel]

Has he ruled out any kind of illness/disease that could make the skull look like that...I know a friend of mine commented about such a thing, but I can't remember now what it was called...will have to check when I have more time...

[Moon]

Any illness or condition that would of caused the skull to be misshapen has been ruled out. That is the first thing Mr Pye did when he was given possession of the Starchild skull. He went to professionals of all the medical sciences to get their opinions and any testing done that was needed to rule them out.

Still, many are shown on TV shows who have never really examined the skull immediately jump to the conclusion that it is a medical condition.

His book goes into a lot of detail about this subject.

[Moon]

This is the response Mr Pye wrote about the Wikipedia article. He has tried to work with them to allow him to respond to allegations, but the editors will not let him:

http://www.lloydpye.com/lloydpyewikipedia.htm

This also shows how unreliable Wikipedia can be as anyone can write an article and it is up to the powers that be to allow any amending or correcting of such articles.

Wikipedia tends to be very unfriendly toward any out of the mainstream ideas, which not only include the Starchild skull, but the ancient astronaut theory and any paranormal subject.

[Ace Rimmer]

I have looked up and read a few things that I know something about on there before and always left scratching my head, because things are left out or facts are wrong.

[PegasusAngel]

Thanks for sharing the link...I'm intrigued by the starchild skull...

[Moon]

My main thing was to show how biased a site such as Wikipedia can be. Also, many people rely way too much on sites such as that. Even we tend to quote some sites here that may not do the best or fullest research. That is why I like researchers like Mr Pye and Herr Von Daniken (and many others) as they are constantly researching the subjects at hand.

[Nikola]

Lloyd Pye rocks. I just love the straight and aggressive attitude he has. Just like Von Deniken but multiplied few times Even though i'm not quite sure about his agenda, every time I watch his lectures about origins - it charges me with some strong positive energy.

[Moon]

Lloyd Pye rocks. I just love the straight and aggressive attitude he has. Just like Von Deniken but multiplied few times Even though i'm not quite sure about his agenda, every time I watch his lectures about origins - it charges me with some strong positive energy.

I have been in communication with him before and he is the nicest man you would ever meet. There are other researchers who do the same as he does, and that is put everything on the line to research their outside the box theories.

It is up to us to keep on encouraging all the researchers (von Daniken, Giorgio, and others) out there who do this even though they face constant ridicule.

[Moon]

These are the Lloyd Pye interviews he didin Oslo in late summer 2010. Mr Pye tells the story of how he got the skull and all the tests done since he has had it in his possession. They are the most recently done:

Part 1/6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suDC7jQ_ ... re=related

part 2/6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ya5UXJY ... re=related

part 3/6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62B7dRE- ... re=related

part 4/6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOK5Ve6U ... re=related

part 5/6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Mym3GVm ... re=related

part 6/6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7sM-NGW ... re=related

I have watched them and it is a fascinating story of the Starchild Skull.

[Shaun_Omega]

Excellent interview, I would've posted it myself with it being the same team who did "The Day Before Disclosure", however that topic didn't really get that great a feedback as I was sort of hoping it would.

If you are looking for hard evidence and proof then here it is.

Thanks for posting this Max!

[Moon]

No problem on posting this most excellent interview. Mr Pye tells the whole story of how he got the skull to all the tests done so far. The most important test was done in 2003, in which it showed the original test done in 1999 was dead wrong.

I also love the fact that the most recent test done shows there is no way the Starchild Skull can be human.

The other problem is people love the fantastic stories told in the disclosure videos. They don't have any evidence to back them up, and many are rehashed stories from before.

The interview posted here has the evidence and cold facts a figures to back it up. I hope more people see this and realize what an important find this is. If it is found to be extraterrestrial, Mr Sitchin, Herr von Daniken and many, many other researchers will be vindicated.

[Foxlike Mulder]

Fascinating material on Pye's website. If true on the DNA, I can't see what more proof one needs. Pye seems credible. I do hate the conflict of peddler v. alternative theorist...of course it takes money to investigate and scientifically analyze evidence. I'd like to read his book "Everything You Know is Wrong"; on his website, there appears to be a long list of material in it, yet this is Book 1, and it is hard to tell if the other 4 parts are in Book 1, or in development. Has anyone read it?

[Moon]

The 1999 book is at most libraries now. The ebook has been updated at his site and is available at most online book stores. That has the latest information on the Starchild Skull.

Here is another interview he did recently:

http://www.starchildproject.com/

It is on the front page of his website now. He discusses the case from when he first got the skull and to the latest results of the new DNA tasting. Still, more testing needs to be done as it has to be confirmed by other sources before he can get any credibility from the mainstreamers.

[Chebornek]

The 1999 book is at most libraries now. The ebook has been updated at his site and is available at most online book stores. That has the latest information on the Starchild Skull.

Here is another interview he did recently:

http://www.starchildproject.com/

It is on the front page of his website now. He discusses the case from when he first got the skull and to the latest results of the new DNA tasting. Still, more testing needs to be done as it has to be confirmed by other sources before he can get any credibility from the mainstreamers.

As I've seen it written on this website in a few places and on other website forums I visit - do your own research and come to your own conclusions.

I've been following the Starchild and Lloyd's troubles and progress with this skull for the last two years, since I first learned about him and the skull. He's been pursuing the truth for years now with this skull.

And he faces the same kind of uphill water bailing which we all know that EVD has.

There is a ton of information on Mr. Pye's website. There are dozens of videos he hosts on Youtube. If you're interested, you now know where to look. He's worth keeping an eye on, imo. Mr. Pye also shares a great deal of information concerning primates and humanity. He's an interesting cat.

[Moon]

This would be a great subject for the third season of Ancient Aliens. They could get the Starchild Skull tested by another source and reveal the results at the end of the episode.

[PegasusAngel]

This would be a great subject for the third season of Ancient Aliens. They could get the Starchild Skull tested by another source and reveal the results at the end of the episode.

Great idea...I'm sure Giorgio is keeping an eye on this story though and is being cautious and thinking carefully how he could present this. Maybe

[Moon]

The best thing going for this story is the Starchild Skull itself. This is an object that can be tested, along with the pharaohs suspected as being alien by Zecheria Sitchin.

I agree about being on the side of caution, but the story itself would make for a very entertaining hour of television. And I am one to think the results are going to be utterly amazing.

[Talen143]

I just finished watching the 6 part video and was very intrigued. This is the first I've heard about the Starchild skull. The DNA evidence is proof to me. I did have a few questions/comments though while watching that maybe some of you more familiar with this topic can answer.

1. I found it a little odd that the two bodies were just laying in the mine shaft (I think it was a mine shaft?) for 900 years and no animals had gotten to the bodies and that nobody else discovered the bodies in that time period. .. (not that the story isn't true).. just sayin.. Maybe the area where the bodies were found was hard for animals to get into..

When he talked about the 2003 testing he mentioned that they put a piece of the skull into the machine that moves it back and forth and breaks it up into liquid form and that still after three months the skull did not break down. I just wonder then how the 1999 Canada team went about breaking up the skull into liquid form? They didn't seem to mention to Mr. Pye that they had any difficulty in doing this.. (sorry for my lack of termiology)

Maybe I’m just gullible, but I believe he’s speaking the truth and everything he says is legit. The skull was brought to his attention. It’s not like he “found” the skull himself and is claiming it’s an alien…. I look forward to hearing the results of the DNA match. I hope he gets the funds to get the test complete.

[Moon]

I just finished watching the 6 part video and was very intrigued. This is the first I've heard about the Starchild skull. The DNA evidence is proof to me. I did have a few questions/comments though while watching that maybe some of you more familiar with this topic can answer.

1. I found it a little odd that the two bodies were just laying in the mine shaft (I think it was a mine shaft?) for 900 years and no animals had gotten to the bodies and that nobody else discovered the bodies in that time period. .. (not that the story isn't true).. just sayin.. Maybe the area where the bodies were found was hard for animals to get into..

I did read his book on the subject of the finding of the skull. From what Lloyd Pye stated, the person found the skull deep in the cave. The area also is quite arid, so that helped the skeleton stay where it was and not decay any further. I would imagine insects were the only animals that feasted on the flesh and no animals were able to smell it, keeping the bones intact. They did do Carbon 14 dating which proved the Starchild Skull to be 900 years old as claimed.

When he talked about the 2003 testing he mentioned that they put a piece of the skull into the machine that moves it back and forth and breaks it up into liquid form and that still after three months the skull did not break down. I just wonder then how the 1999 Canada team went about breaking up the skull into liquid form? They didn't seem to mention to Mr. Pye that they had any difficulty in doing this.. (sorry for my lack of termiology)

The answer is the firm in 1999 did not really test the material they were given. That was proven by the latest tests done in 2010 where those doing the test stated it was impossible for them to find the DNA they were looking for. That had not been developed until quite recently. Most of the tests they are doing now are very new and being done by very sophisticated equipment. The biggest problem in finding the answer to the Starchild Skull has been waiting for them to develop more technological and scientific ways to extract ancient DNA. The tests done in 2010 did show that not only was the Starchild Skull not human, but it was very far from what is considered human DNA. That is the results Mr Pye has been looking for.

Maybe I’m just gullible, but I believe he’s speaking the truth and everything he says is legit. The skull was brought to his attention. It’s not like he “found” the skull himself and is claiming it’s an alien…. I look forward to hearing the results of the DNA match. I hope he gets the funds to get the test complete.

The main testing has been done and now needs to be verified by other independent labs. That way it will be hard to state the evidence is faulty as only one facility did the testing. But the tests are expensive $200,000+ so it takes time to gather up the funds. The first test results should help out as they are quite exciting.

There is no reason to feel gullible as this skull has been tested by professionals and that is what Lloyd Pye wants. If the results showed it to be a deformed human, then that would of been the answer. But Mr Pye wants the answer and was prepared many times for disappointment. He is following the scientific guidelines, which is what the debunkers always complain are never followed for fringe or alternative ideas.

[Talen143]

Thanks so much for the answers! I will be reading his book. This is one of the most interesting things I've heard about in a long time. This is the proof that we are all looking for!
I don't recall if the AA series touched on this yet or not, but would be a good topic to expand on!

[Hearte]

I can't think of a single reason to believe Mr. Pye's claim.

He says this ayt the websitre:

should add that I still can't reveal the name of the geneticist or where he works until we are ready to formally present his results to the world. However, trust me, he is a well-established professional and his facility is large and very credible. They don't want to be bombarded by media until they are prepared for it, and neither do I for that matter. Just know that you are a part of the "inner circle" of those who have put your faith in a dream that is now coming true.

Source: http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopolitic ... kull-.html
He still hasn't revealed what lab did these tests.

In my opinion, that's because if he did, people would find out in short order that the reason the screenshot on that page says "No significant similarity found - click here to see why" is because they were unable to sequence Y-chromosome DNA from the sample, and not because the Y-chromosome DNA was alien.

Please note that the screenshot says "click here to see why." Doesn't anyone wonder why there's no screenshot of the page that link would lead to?

Also, how does an alien have Y-chromosome DNA that's enough like humans to procreate? I mean, we share an awful lot of our DNA with other primates such as ourselves, yet we cannot produce offspring with them, and we're from the same planet!

This individual (the child) likely suffered from a genetic disorder like progeria syndrome.

Hearte

[paland]

I sure hope it's real. I have a signed and numbered editon of his book. I think I got it about 4-5 years ago or so. I got it so because he said the money would go toward his research so I thought I would help. I didnt really think about the book but if this is real, then the value of this book should go thru the roof!

[Moon]

Thanks so much for the answers! I will be reading his book. This is one of the most interesting things I've heard about in a long time. This is the proof that we are all looking for!
I don't recall if the AA series touched on this yet or not, but would be a good topic to expand on!

His ebook is the most up to date on all the testing that has been done so far. The AA series should devote an hour to this fascinating subject and actually have results from a second tester revealed in the episode.

Hearte: Mr Pye is looking to get the Starchild Skull tested at several other facilities before he states it is the real deal. For validation purposes, he would have to reveal which labs did the tests.

[Talen143]

In his video, he does give the name of the lab and the owners of the lab that preformed the second lab tests. It would be interesting to see what they have to say about it. on Pye's website he lists so many differences between the starchild skull and a regular human skull... Can all of that really be attributed to a deformity? Are there any other cases like it? It’s easy to call “hoax” or say he’s in it for the money, but what about all the differences?

Just a few listed on his website:

1.The bone is like no other bone on Earth. Its biochemical signature is much richer in collagen than regular bone, making it more like tooth enamel.
2.The bone is uniformly half as thick, or less, than normal human bone. It is not thin in a specific area or areas due to abnormality, it is thin all over.

3. The skull itself weighs half as much as human skulls of comparable size.

5. Inside the matrix of the Starchild bone is woven a variety of what we now call “fibers” but which might be something else entirely. All we know is that these fibers are highly durable and completely inexplicable. No other bone known on Earth has anything even approximating such fibers.

14. The Starchild Skull had no frontal sinuses, not even miniscule vestiges. Humans can be born with sinuses reduced to the size of peas, but we have found no report of a human born without any vestige of frontal sinuses.

and thanks for the tip! I'll check out the ebook

[Hearte]

In his video, he does give the name of the lab and the owners of the lab that preformed the second lab tests. It would be interesting to see what they have to say about it.

Yes, it would.

Have you tried to find out?

on Pye's website he lists so many differences between the starchild skull and a regular human skull... Can all of that really be attributed to a deformity?

I'm not a doctor, but I would say yes to that.

14. The Starchild Skull had no frontal sinuses, not even miniscule vestiges. Humans can be born with sinuses reduced to the size of peas, but we have found no report of a human born without any vestige of frontal sinuses.

That's interesting.

Have you tried to find out if that's true?

Like the appendix, sinuses are not a vital organ. One can do just fine without sinuses. People born without sinuses, or who have them surgically replaced, don't appear to have any significant problems.

Source:
http://www.nctimes.com/lifestyles/health-med-fit/article_80897d9a-0413-51eb-b642-28dceeabf14d.html

Pye has an economic incentive for making the claim that nobody has ever been born without sinuses.
The reporter above has no such incentive.

Which one should I believe?

Hearte

[Jir1984]

He just sent out a newsletter late last night...for those that are interested..

There are many things I can't do well. Singing and dancing would be headliners
on that list. However, a point of personal pride is that I'm good at turning
complicated scientific concepts and data into written material that
non-scientists can easily read and understand.

That said, the report I've been preparing for the past eight days has been
extraordinarily challenging. The material it deals with is dominantly about DNA
(obviously), which can be fascinating if you have an interest in it, but can be
daunting if you have to explain it at a basic level in an absolute minimum of
words and images, yet do justice to the importance of the overall message and
its certain place in history.

What I'm telling you now is that Step 1 is completed. A first draft is in the
hands of the geneticist so he can edit it for technical accuracy. This is
another point of intense pressure, somehow getting the technical details to
line up correctly alongside the need to be comprehensible.

Subsequent steps will be as follows: First, I have to incorporate all of his
corrections, additions, and deletions into what I've initially created. Leave
at least a day or two for that. Second, it has to be uploaded to the website,
and all links and such have to be double-checked. Another day.

Third, the Starchild Skull Essentials eBook has to be updated with the new
information, which will make obsolete a great deal of the last portion of the
eBook as it stands now. In itself this will be quite a job, and to make matters
worse, I have to format the new version to fit all the Kindles and Nooks out
there. At least a couple of days doing this, if not more. My hope was for the
weekend, by Sunday, but probably not.

I don't mean to throw a pity party with this, I'm just trying to be clear about
why the new DNA development is taking so long to report. It's turning out to be
a heck of a lot harder than I imagined it would be, which is not the first time
something like this has happened to me.

I would remind you all that when Ray and Melanie Young first showed me the
Starchild Skull back in February of 1999, I was so impressed with its physical
differences that I told them scientists would probably iine up to be on the
team to examine it, and complete answers would probably be available in six
months at most. Now here we are, 12 years down the road, FINALLY on the verge
of proving its genetic heritage.

Seen in that light, I'm not doing too bad with this. Also, we need to keep in
mind an old homilie: "Better right than fast."

[Moon]

UPDATE ON THE DNA TESTS MARCH 2011 RESULTS OF THE STARCHILD SKULL

http://www.starchildproject.com/DNA2011March.htm

This is an updated report on more testing done on the DNA of the Starchild Skull.