Afterlife ?

[Asfiqur]

Very interesting theory. But I'm afraid that would make me a real misfit as I NEVER had the desire to reproduce....

I didn't mean only human being. Look at all the living things. They all are eager to reproduce. Its a general assumption.
And this theory is not something I firmly believe. I just think may be it is one of the possibilities of our existence.
And about having kids, I agree with Metaluna. This world is not really a nice place to raise kids.

[Ace Rimmer]

No kids of my own, but was a foster parent and adopted. They still are in my life and I love them to pieces. I do not know what my life would be without them.

That is just wonderful Max, there are so many children in the world who need decent homes.

Asfiqur, yes it is the natural thing to do I agree, some of us just have to do what feels right for us.

[Orfeas]

Speaking from a personal experience i had TWO encounters with dead people.
First was when i was about 15 years old, back then i used to go to a "Greek cafenio" which is where the old (over 50 ) Greek people used to go to pass the time by playing cards, backgammon and talk to each other, i used to seat around them listening to the conversations, watching them playing cards and etc.

One night i went to sleep and i dreamed one of the guys that i was seen regally up in the club walking down the street with a bandage around his head and he says to me waving his hand " i am going, leaving, goodbye " when i woke up in the morning i dint think much of the dream until i went to the club and the others were talking about someone had taking his own life and i got the shock of my life when i saw the same guy that i saw in my dream on the front page of the paper and shot him self in the head at his desk where he worked.

And second was about six years ago when one of our friends mother died,
about two weeks after she died the Mrs and me had a tiff and i went on a scotch binge at the casino, i sad at one of the poker machines and i was playing, next thing i notice is this lady, sharply dressed with a handbag across her arm comes and sits next to me, i looked at her and i went blank, that was my friends mother WHO DIED that sat next to me, she puts a coin in the machine, plays one round she gets up walks around me from the behind, while i was staring at her she turns her head and i see her mumbling something, i didn't hear her talk only a upset look and her mouth talking with out any sound, i turned back on my poker machine ( complete socked and changed color to white) then i turned back to see where she was and i couldn't see anywhere.
I continue playing the machine trying to comprehend as to what has really happened, hundred thoughts came to mind, no i don't see things when i drink, no i dint take lsd, that was defiantly her but she died, and many explanations as to why, may for her to GO ON she had to do something good for someone?

Anyway, Conclusion? to me anyway, when we dream we go in the midle, what it is after and what it can be.

When you die you still take the body form you as a human have here, you a judge by your "peers" (just like our courts ) to continue ( don't know where) or come back to pay (the "old soul" theory)

And as for RELIGION it took me right out of it, why you say?
well the dead mothers son when he told the priest and nuns as to what i went through they went off at him calling blasphemous saying only saints come on earth with their body's and other crap.

Below is a program from coast to cost about afterlife, when i will found some other programs about the same subject i will post them too.



Date: 08-08-10
Host: Ian Punnett

Guests: Pim van Lommel

Ian Punnett welcomed cardiologist Dr. Pim van Lommel, who talked about how his research into near-death experiences concludes that these are authentic events that cannot be attributed to imagination. Van Lommel explained that cardiac arrest survivors are ideal candidates for NDE studies because it is thought to be medically impossible for them to experience consciousness when their circulation and breathing have ceased. Additionally, unlike previous NDE studies which relied on testimony submitted by those who had near-death experiences, his research actively sought out potential candidates from cardiac arrest survivors.
This prospective method was surprisingly simple, in that he merely asked the out-treatment patients if they "had memories of the period of unconsciousness.
That was the only question."
One particularly strong piece of evidence that Van Lommel discussed was NDEs where the experiencers received previously unknown information. To that end,he shared the tale of a man who had a cardiac arrest and then an NDE. During his near-death experience, the man saw an older gentleman who "looked at him lovingly, but whom he did not know." Over ten years later, as his mother was dying, she revealed to him that he was conceived via an extramarital affair.
The mother then showed her son the picture of his biological father and it was the man he saw in the afterlife. Similarly, Van Lommel told the story of a little girl who had an NDE via drowning and, upon her recovery, said that "my brother was with me." However, the girl's brother died before she was born and her parents had been waiting until she was older to tell her about him.

Van Lommel also broke down some of the trends and statistics gleaned from his study of NDEs and their aftermath. For instance, he reported that 15% of those who had near-death experiences first went to a "frightening, dark space," but then saw the classic "tunnel of light." Chillingly, Van Lommel said that one to two percent of the experiencers stay in that dark place or travel "down, really down" to a Hell-like environment which is frightening and marked by feelings of guilt.
He noted that experiencers of these 'dark NDEs' have a very difficult time sharing their story and are haunted by it for a longtime afterward. Nonetheless, regardless of the content of the NDE, Van Lommel said that ultimately the outcome is seen as positive and transformative for the patients. He observed that "an experience of two minutes changes the whole life."

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[Ace Rimmer]

One night i went to sleep and i dreamed one of the guys that i was seen regally up in the club walking down the street with a bandage around his head and he says to me waving his hand " i am going, leaving, goodbye " when i woke up in the morning i dint think much of the dream until i went to the club and the others were talking about someone had taking his own life and i got the shock of my life when i saw the same guy that i saw in my dream on the front page of the paper and shot him self in the head at his desk where he worked

My mom used to have dreams just like this a lot, she hasn't had any for a few years now, she is 82, but she had them for about 55 years!

She saw people dead in dreams, when nobody even knew they were sick or they would die in an accident and she had people come say goodbye to her when they died.

[Stonehenge]

It gave me chills reading that about the old woman, Orfeas!

Jim

[Orfeas]

It gave me chills reading that about the old woman, Orfeas!

Jim

I changed color for a week, from olive i was white,

but its changes your way of thinking about certain things.

[Ace Rimmer]

I was so excited to read about your dream I didn't even comment on the dead woman! Since you do have these dreams, then you are open or in touch with some other plane, so it is possible that is why you saw your friends dead mom.

Sometimes I think when we dream we do go to another place or dimension, or can.

Dreams are real while they last, can more be said of life. Many times dreams are much too real.

[Stonehenge]

...I used to have more vivid dreams than I do now. Since my wife died in July, I've had trouble sleeping. I still do, though it's improving. But now, once I do fall asleep, I seldom dream or at least seldom have memories of dreaming.

I have no idea why. Maybe I just sleep more deeply, once I do fall asleep, because I'm more exhausted.

I can't remember ever having a prophetic dream.

I did once in my life have a prophetic experience. About 30 years ago I was walking down a street on the way to work: the same street I always walked. All of a sudden I heard - in my mind - a voice that clearly said, "Walk on the other side!".

Without thinking or hesitating, I crossed the street. As I did, a huge tree branch crashed down, for no apparent reason (there was NO wind or storm) and landed exactly where I would have been walking!

People came tunning out of their houses, alarmed by the sound, and puzzled as to why the branch came down.

WEIRD!

Jim

[Ace Rimmer]

That is weird Jim. Good thing you walked across the street.

[Stonehenge]

That is weird Jim. Good thing you walked across the street.

For sure!

In retrospect, the strangest aspect was my almost Zombie-like acceptance of it. And I'm glad I did!

Jim

[angeloneastralseed]

Ghosts have been a part of my life-long phenomenon too. I have recordings of them saying my name or trying to join in conversations. One of them has asked me to turn around and look at her a couple of times; problem is, my ears hear a small low noise at the time, but later, when I listen to my recorder, I can clearly hear her ask me to turn around and look behind me. I work in a historical building in my town and there is a lot of activity.

I guess some souls stay around, others..............your guess is as good as mine.

[Stonehenge]

Angel, does this occur in any place other than the historical building?

Jim

[lunarwing]

My take on ghosts....

There are the type that do not interact with us and seem oblivious to our presence. They are seen in the same place doing the same thing everytime.

These are nothing more than "recordings". Recordings are held in place by magnetic forces.... just as image and information is held magnetically to a VHS tape. Everything around us has magentic properties.... some places more than others.

Then you have the ghosts that actually interact with us and our environment. These are not the ghosts of people that have past on. These are what should be known as the demons. Entities that are here to screw with our heads.... cause mischief. Make us think things that are not true.

[Ace Rimmer]

I have a half assed theory I'll try to explain.

When we see or hear a ghost or spirit, it really is our mind making us see and hear it. The only way they can communicate with us is telepathically, but our brains aren't developed enough to get their message, so our brain translates it for us into something we can either hear or see. You could even call it an hallucination of sorts, but it is nonetheless real. It's like our brain is making a halogram for us.

Some people's brains are more intune or receptive to this other dimension.

[Stonehenge]

[b]My take on ghosts....

There are the type that do not interact with us and seem oblivious to our presence. They are seen in the same place doing the same thing everytime.

These are nothing more than "recordings". Recordings are held in place by magnetic forces.... just as image and information is held magnetically to a VHS tape. Everything around us has magentic properties.... some places more than others.

I once met a couple of psychics at a party, who were both of the opinion that ghosts represented residual energy, not entities: akin to your first theory.

They had no religious views about the topic, so I don't know what their opinions would have been regarding your demon theory.

Jim

[lunarwing]

They had no religious views about the topic, so I don't know what their opinions would have been regarding your demon theory.

Jim... actually demons have nothing to do with religion. Religion, you could say, hijacked the belief to use to it's advantage.

[Orfeas]

i always say God has nothing to do with religion and religion has nothing to do with God.

[Stonehenge]

I'm using the term "religion" here, not in the sense of any particular religious faith, or of organized religions in general: but in the sense of something super (i.e. beyond), the natural, the physical, the corporeal.

In that sense, God, gods (NOT in the Ancient Aliens sense), ghosts, demons, devils, Satan, souls, life after death, etc. are religious phenomena.

Jim

[lunarwing]

In that sense, God, gods (NOT in the Ancient Aliens sense), ghosts, demons, devils, Satan, souls, life after death, etc. are religious phenomena.

I'm sorry Jim... I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one. I think if we eliminated all religion in all it's forms from the human condition.... you would still have all those things you listed. It just so happens that religion has monopolized these things more than any other philosophy or mindset.... thus making the link between the two seem unseperatable. (is that a real word?)

[Orfeas]

Stonehenge wrote:

In that sense, God, gods (NOT in the Ancient Aliens sense), ghosts, demons, devils, Satan, souls, life after death, etc. are religious phenomena.

I have to agree with Lunarwing on this one, Religion was/is and always will be some kind of Human/mind CONTROL, you do this sin and you will burn in hell and etc.

Ghosts, demons, devils, Satan, souls, life after death and etc, Now these things ARE real and have nothing to do with Religion.

[Stonehenge]

OK, would it be better if I said "spiritual", rather than "religious"?

The other word you're looking for: what about "inseparable"?

Jim

[lunarwing]

The other word you're looking for: what about "inseparable"?

Jim

Yeah... that's the word! It's a bitch getting old and senile.

... and I think "spiritual" might work better in this case. Word use as it may... I do get your point Jim. I wish we could eliminate the "religious" aspect of our quest with the AAT. Even though I use the Bible a lot because it is as valid as any other text or ancient information we use... there are those that can't see past the front cover of a book. Their loss due to a closed mind....

[Orfeas]

Sorry to bud in guys but what spiritual and religion has got to do with reality?

Isn't the same thing wrapped in diff word?

[lunarwing]

It may not the perfect word we are looking for brother... but it'll do. Religion I guess would be considered a certain belief in a form of dogma... where spirituality encompasses more of the paranormal.

Then again I could be wrong....

I could have never heard of, or know what religion is.... and know that there is good and evil entities that effect my life.

Does that make sense?

[Stonehenge]

Sorry to bud in guys but what spiritual and religion has got to do with reality?

Isn't the same thing wrapped in diff word?

If there are such things as souls, spirits, ghosts: then they transcend material reality, but are still part of reality.

Jim

[lunarwing]

Agreed

[Stonehenge]

It may not the perfect word we are looking for brother... but it'll do. Religion I guess would be considered a certain belief in a form of dogma... where spirituality encompasses more of the paranormal.

Then again I could be wrong....

I could have never heard of, or know what religion is.... and know that there is good and evil entities that effect my life.

Does that make sense?

It does to me!

Jim

[Bob137]

My understanding is that religion is for people who do not want to go to hell, and spirituality is for the people that have already been there and do not want to go back! In other words, they were religious at one time, still went to hell, and learned that being religious is a sure way to hell, and that the only way out is being spiritual. Just my opinion though. My personal beliefs about the afterlife is that we are all spiritual beings, and that we choose our existence learning experiences from the start. We are pure consciousness along with our conscious creator, and together we created this material existence, in the cosmic mind, for our own experiences. We come here over and over to learn experiences, and to make better choices hopefully each time, when we do, when we die, we go to a higher plane of consciousness existence, some still utilizing a form of an ethereal content, some without. Some come back to this existence over and over, for various reasons, some have attained higher consciousnesses, but still come back here to assist in helping others to attain higher states of consciousness, and to ascend through the material into the ethereal, corporeal, and non material to the highest that we can be, which is actual Gods, not GOD per se, but Gods of a lesser nature, but still Gods. I believe this takes out all the blaming GOD, and family, and society for all our troubles, and puts the responsibility for our life back to each and every one of us. I also believe that due to this, we are also our brothers keeper, even though you couldn't prove it by how society is today in this world! I also believe that yes there are Ghosts of people who have died, and stop and pester there family or friends prior to departing to another existence, but that it is short lived, and that the other entities are such as energy, and EBE's or something similar. I also believe that there are spirits, and ethereal beings that do have contact with people, shamans, and numerous others from ancient times to the present, in assisting us, and others not so good, in messing with us. Along with EBE's/ET's, etc... So I believe we definitely are not alone, either in the material existence, or in the etheral, or anywhere. I believe our aloneness is in the mind, not in reality, it is a figment of our imagination, we are never alone! We are just blind to the others in other states of being and dimension, but it does not mean that they aren't there! We just need and openmind, open heart, and little compassion, empathy, and humility to get to where we can see!

[angeloneastralseed]

Stonehenge - to answer your 2 day old question; the historical place is not the only place I have recorded these voices. I have recorded them in our museum, and many other buildings in my town. Bob explains it quite well. These are not residual that I have captured, they are intelligent. They actually know and say the names of the living people in the buildings. They actually answer questions (with usually one word; yes, no, or state their names).

Until I recorded them, I had no way of completely believing in them myself. Once I heard them and heard them say my name........wow, that opened a whole dimension for me.

[Stonehenge]

WOW! Yes, I'd have to agree: this could not be explained as merely residual energy.

Barring some sort of elaborate (and highly unlikely) hoax: it sounds to me like clear evidence of some sort of spiritual survival, or entity.

Jim

[lunarwing]

I have heard where doctors have weighed some people before... and after they have died. They weighed ever so slightly less after they passed on. I do not know this to be true.... I haven't weighed any dead folks. But it is an interesting aspect to the mystery.

[Theory]

I have heard where doctors have weighed some people before... and after they have died. They weighed ever so slightly less after they passed on. I do not know this to be true.... I haven't weighed any dead folks. But it is an interesting aspect to the mystery.

One reason one may weight less after they die, is well...you kinda lose whatever was in your stomach and bladder. I used to be a nurses aide and I unfortunately had to take care of a couple residents after they passed away, not fun..not fun at all!

[lunarwing]

I unfortunately had to take care of a couple residents after they passed away, not fun..not fun at all!

I know how it can be as well.... I spent some time spent as an orderly in a ol' folks place when I was real young... and I worked for awhile in a large hospital after I got out of the Air Force. Not a pretty sight....

But I'm sure if they were indeed performing a "scientific experiment", the doctors must have accounted for any post mortum fluids or solids that passed. Then again... who knows....

[Theory]

I unfortunately had to take care of a couple residents after they passed away, not fun..not fun at all!

I know how it can be as well.... I spent some time spent as an orderly in a ol' folks place when I was real young... and I worked for awhile in a large hospital after I got out of the Air Force. Not a pretty sight....

But I'm sure if they were indeed performing a "scientific experiment", the doctors must have accounted for any post mortum fluids or solids that passed. Then again... who knows....

Oh sorry about that I didn't realize you were talking about an experiment, your probably right they most likely would have taken that into account.

[lunarwing]

Does the results of the experiment actually mean the "spirit or soul or whatever it is" has weight? That would be weird...