Thoughts on cattle mutations?

[lunarwing]

I guess this topic fits here.... lifestock seem to be also the victims of abductions... though of a more extreme kind.

What are your thoughts and theories on this? I'm sure I do not have to post a link of any sort concerning it, I'm sure we all have seen this on TV and in write ups, considering how much of it is out there.

I would say that there are some of these cases that could be explained in one way or another.... but as in the UFO cases... if only a small percentage are other than explainable cases... who or what is responsible for those? And why are they doing it?

[Moon]

While there are many who think cattle mutilations are the work of the extraterrestrials, my question has always been why? They would have the ability to clone whatever animal they need, or they would do what our biologists do and just collect samples without harming the animals. If they have the ability to get to our planet, they would be far ahead on other matters too.

I have thought an explanation could be a more supernatural one, such as ghosts or poltergeists. I know this sounds far fetched, but those types of entities can do much damage in a home and might want to scare farmers and ranchers. I do not know why they would do that, but poltergeists tend to be violent in nature.

[Ace Rimmer]

I'm not sure anymore, I used to think cattle mutulations were being done by Aliens, but I have been wondering why they just don't take the entire cow, or vaporize it, and really are their studies that primitive that they have to sneak around the earth stealing cow parts. Boy I don't know.

Whatever the hell is going on it is damn creepy and I think the perpetrators are terrestrial.

[lunarwing]

This is one of the most unexplainable of the phreaky phenomenon's.

If it was the government behind it, they would just have their own secret area 51 like cattle ranch, and cut up their own livestock without freaking out the public.

It is weird that cattle are very close in some ways to us bipeds... it is said that in an emergency, a type to keep you alive long enough to make it to the hospital... you caan survive on a blood transfusion from a cow. Does that have anything to do with the mutilations?

If it was occult activity... I would assume we would have caught someone by now after all these years.

[Ace Rimmer]

A history of Xenotransplantation experiments

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... /cron.html

I totally agree Lunarwing, if it was our Government they could just have ranches. ETs I personally think are too advanced for this sort of thing.

Maybe it is being done to freak us out.

[Moon]

I also think they are terrestrial, just of the ghostly kind. All I know is I would not be around when something like that happens.

[lunarwing]

This is something that has bugged me for as long as I have known about cattle mutilations....

In the Bible in ancient times man was instructed to sacrafice livestock to the gods. Other than the idea that this showed some kind of respect for the gods.... no one in my mind has ever satisfactorly explained this ritual. Why did the gods require livestock to be given to them? Is the ritual something more than a symbolic action that man was told to do?

Are these "gods" still requiring livestock? And since this seems to go beyond mere worship at this point in time.... why do these "gods" need this livestock?

[Ace Rimmer]

Well if you don't know the answer to that, it's a good bet none of us do either!

[lunarwing]

Thanks Luna.... but believe me.... I have a hell of a lot more questions than I have answers.... and most of those answers are more speculation and opinion than fact!

[Jeff Sheets]

If there is an ET race that eats meat or has a need for a certain hormone, that might be the simplest answer.

[Ace Rimmer]

This picture is so cool, but jeez I really feel awful for the poor cows.
I hope to hell they do not have to suffer, they are dispatched quickly.

[lunarwing]

Sorry... I can't help but laugh. That farmer was determined not to have his cow show up at the alien BBQ!

[Mandalor]

From some of the different reports Ive seen, one autopsy showed that the cow was spun at very high speed before it was dissected and plucked of its particulars. Im guessing it passed out before it ever felt anything. Whoever it is, is selecting specific parts for a reason. mostly reproductive parts, sometimes eyes and other organs. A possible reason they could be coming back, or going to various farms for samples might be to track how we genetically mess with our own food stock. They'd need to get new samples to track our breeding program. Maybe they themselves have tampered with our food stock and are following up on how well their deliberate mutations to the supply are being passed on to the next generations. The need to see for themselves what is happening to the study samples. Because if it was all for them then it would make sense for them to have their own cattle farms away from us somewhere and we'd never see that kind of thing. Maybe they are already among us and are altering and adding proteins and other things we wouldnt know to look for to be more compatible a diet for them. Maybe thats the same reason so many vegetables are being modified. They are already here and they are tweaking the diet so they dont get heartburn anymore, who knows. I don't think its ghosts, there is too deliberate a purpose, and there is always evidence of super sharp precision cutting tools. And the total draining of blood would also make sense in tracking the health of the animal as far as measuring its hormonal content, and overall state. Some one is doing something for some reason. I tend to lean toward something ET. I had a private in one of my squads that told us about mutilations on his ranch in Montana when he was a kid. They always saw strange silent flying lights all the time too, as well as truncated beams. He thought it was an ET thing as well.

[Ace Rimmer]

That makes it sound like they are "beaming them up" doing whatever they are doing and then returning the body. Which to me is really odd, why do they not just dispose of it, it's like they are taunting us!

[lunarwing]

.... why do they not just dispose of it, it's like they are taunting us!

It's more like they just don't care what we think or how their actions effect us.

[Ace Rimmer]

.... why do they not just dispose of it, it's like they are taunting us!

It's more like they just don't care what we think or how their actions effect us.

That is a really good point.

[Mandalor]

I think they already know how close-minded we are as a whole so it doesnt matter how much evidence they leave behind they dont care. Even if 100 people figure out what is exactly going on, the only ones that will believe it are those of us that are already labeled as weirdos for believing anything as mind boggling as that, so it wouldnt be taken seriously anyway. They could leave anything they wanted to behind and it wouldnt matter. Anything juicy would be labeled a hoax and anything really seriouslly hard to refute would disappear. Besides if I had an awesome ship I wouldnt want to take all that extra stuff I wasnt going to use.

[Ace Rimmer]

That's exactly why when something real and genuine does get released or found out by the unwashed masses, it will just get shrugged off because it is coming from kooks and nutters. I think that is why some of the proponents of what I consider the way out there theories are so vocal, I won't mention any names, because far be it for me to pass judgement on anybody, but anyway, then it is so easy for the manistream to just say, "Oh you mean those people who think think the earth is hollow, or we are being controlled by Reptilian Shape Shifters" or whatever, I think you get my point.
I do sincerely believe we have information, disinformation, and dis-disinformation. Oh my brain is reeling!

[Mandalor]

Thats why critical thinking is so important. And its another reason why critical thinking has all but been taken out of modern school curricula. And why this ADD ADHD generation finds it harder and harder for it to think for itself. "Na, I dont have to think about it. I'll just google it and I'll have all the info I need". "2+2 is what? Wait a second. My Droid phone will tell me the answer in no time". I think its even easier to hide the truth in plain sight now than it was in the past. With CGI becoming so life like every year, just about anything can be claimed to be a hoax. We'll know when someone wants us to know. And i have a feeling that if there isnt some kind of monetary advantage to spilling the beans. It will be never.

[Ace Rimmer]

Nobody can think for themselves anymore, I don't think they want too either. They are too busy having their brains washed. Actually it is not even their fault. The world is a sad place these days.

The wool is being pulled so far over people's eyes, they won't be able to breathe anymore, they already can't see what it right in front of their faces.

Like mutilated cattle for instance.
I have been reading about cattle mutilations all week, what a cheery subject!!!

[Mandalor]

Mutilating cattle isnt too bad if you can get a decent filet or to and some inch thick NY strips out of the deal. Seriously, if people really wanted to know, like most people here want to know. We'd know. But we have a very distracted world culture especially here in the States. Most people dont care about what happened 5 minutes ago let along 10, 100, or 1000 years ago. As long as they know what the Kardashians are putting out, texting back and forth about what everyone else is doing, and who's wearing what at the VMAs they are happy. I agree, things are in a sad state.

[lunarwing]

Maybe...just maybe.... the alien craft run on cow udders?

[Mandalor]

Surveillance cameras are getting cheaper all the time, and digital ones can record days at a time. Im surprised no one has any set up. Im sure they'd catch something by now. Then again they might not want all the attention they'd get if they did.

[lunarwing]

Or they can detect a camera just as any one of us could, with the right equipment, and just go on to another ranch.

[Ace Rimmer]

Mutilating cattle isnt too bad if you can get a decent filet or to and some inch thick NY strips out of the deal. Seriously, if people really wanted to know, like most people here want to know. We'd know. But we have a very distracted world culture especially here in the States. Most people dont care about what happened 5 minutes ago let along 10, 100, or 1000 years ago. As long as they know what the Kardashians are putting out, texting back and forth about what everyone else is doing, and who's wearing what at the VMAs they are happy. I agree, things are in a sad state.

+1

Distracted and self-absorbed.

You nailed that, if people wanted to know, if enough people were as interested in some of the mysteries going on right now as they are about American Idol, we might be able to get some answers.

We still don't know the truth about JFK, and nobody seems to care, most of them probably don't even know who JFK was anyway. I won't get on my soap box about other events we need some answers on, people just don't seem to care, it is easier to just accept with authority figures tell us and turn our backs and move on.

[Fetapro]

lunarwing: You were wondering about the animals blood sacrifices in Biblical times.
According to the biblical text. The reason that animals were sacrificed by the Israels was for the purpose of transferring their sins (symbolicly) to the animal that was sacrificed. One minister explained it by saying that the blood of the sacrifice pointed the way to the sacrifice of Christ who shed his blood for the sin of the world. The minister said that it was the process for the remission of sin on credit, until Christ came.
In other cultures, the sacrifice of animals had other meanings, I would have to go back and read up on the specific meanings, but I seem to remember that in some cases the animals were chosen for their characteristics. Bulls for strength, birds for their ability to fly etc. These characteristics were thought to honer the gods. In some cases animals were used when humans could not be found, I think that the Mayans used prisoners of war for sacrifices. They may have used animals if they did not have humans.
From what I have read the cow mutilations are necessary for cellular material that is harvested from the cows. It is used in genetic work.
One other possibility is that the process is part of a mis-direction effort. To keep the attention of UFO researchers directed away from other areas.This process has gone on since at least the 1970's.
I need more data to decide a position on this matter.

[lunarwing]

One minister explained it by saying that the blood of the sacrifice pointed the way to the sacrifice of Christ who shed his blood for the sin of the world. The minister said that it was the process for the remission of sin on credit, until Christ came.

Think about that for a moment brother....

The sacrafice of livestock was something that Adam and his sons were expected to do from the git-go. Jesus would not come into the picture for another 4000 years. That sounded like any of the nonsensical reasons for things that ministers and the like give when they really don't have a clue.

Imagine all the millions of livestock killed from Adams time to Jesus' death? Can you imagine being told you have to sacrafice a goat because of a Son of God who will not be around for several thousand years.... especially if it's the last critter you have to eat before your family starves?

There is more to the sacrafice than we think or what the ministers think. I do believe however... that the sacrafices of ancient times are connected somehow with the mutilations of the modern times.

[Inquiring Mind]

This is something that has bugged me for as long as I have known about cattle mutilations....

In the Bible in ancient times man was instructed to sacrafice livestock to the gods. Other than the idea that this showed some kind of respect for the gods.... no one in my mind has ever satisfactorly explained this ritual. Why did the gods require livestock to be given to them? Is the ritual something more than a symbolic action that man was told to do?

Are these "gods" still requiring livestock? And since this seems to go beyond mere worship at this point in time.... why do these "gods" need this livestock?

........Very interesting correlation that I was not aware of. Somethings certainly up. The non-descript black choppers that Jim Keith and others have written about certainly also seem to play a part in all of this. Many ranchers and or people who have been victimized by this hideous cattle mutilation operation have later reported being harassed in one form or another soon after these occurences have taken place-very similar in fashion to the on ground secret government minions known as the 'men in black' who go around stalking and harrassing UFO experiencers and contactees soon after a sighting.

Of course I'm of the opinion that the governments of the world are colluding with an on Earth and off Earth non-human faction in top secret/black op's experimentation and human abduction programs that the cattle mutilations fit nicely into some how.

[Kepesh]

Hey all,
Living in New Mexico, and having much experience in ranch work, maybe I can shed some light here. Well, at least on some of it.
There have been several mutilations in western NM. Mostly all on the reservation there. The actual mutliations themselves were known to be human inflicted. They were, in fact, somewhat secretive tribal shaman, that were paid to extract some revenge, on outsiders that got into a "tiffy" with some tribe members.
What makes this story interesting, is that while an Albuquerque news journalist was there, setting up interviews with the locals, other freelance writers were there too. Most likely to leave out some particulars, so the story could be sold to the "Inquirer".
However, this does in no way account for mutilations in northern New Mexico, and southern Colorado. Those were entirely different. Rancher's were actually scared (and that's tough to do), and despite taking turns driving around all night looking for the culprits, the animal deaths continued.
Now, if you live in the city, you may have no clue how things work out here. But with common local knowledge of cattle and horse deaths, any fool caught trespassing in the middle of this would be shot on sight. Then drug up into a canyon for the coyotes. These are not small ranches here. Where I worked was over 200,000 acres. Some are twice that. I don't know anyone, military or otherwise, that would risk their lives for a meaningless hoax.

[Gliese581]

Ok, this may seem way out in left field but here goes:

Angeloneastralseed mentioned in a different thread,
"Scientists are also on the verge of tele-transporting (believe it or not) they have figured out how to separate the molecular structure and now working on how to put them back together. Possible that we are way behind a world that can already do this."

Perhaps the cattle are the guinea pigs for testing this technology and obviously they haven't got it quite right yet. It would make sense that if you can tele-transport a cow then a human should be simple....just a thought....

[Ace Rimmer]

I am leaning towards "they are good eats". "Remember if you get near Earth don't forget to stop off for some of those tasty cow inerds."

But I like your idea, it reminds me of Galaxy Quest! but heck not a bad idea really.
( and now I feel bad for making light of the situation)

[Fred tries to digitize the pig-lizard with disastrous results]
What? What was that?
Uh, nothing.
I heard some squealing or something.
Oh, no. Everything's fine.
But the animal is inside out.
I heard that! It turned inside out?
And it exploded.

[spacerelatives]

I remember I lived next door to a guy that had some cows that were mutilated. It was in the back-country of central Missouri. I was 11 or 12 years old at the time and I knew something had to be wacko due to my Mom being so upset about it. It was 1975.

I have to tell you something. We experienced poltergeist activity at the time inside our trailer home. We lived off the beaten track. Things were flying that didn't have wings. I wonder if that didn't have any connection with our neighbor's cow issues. I never thought of the two things being connected before. I wonder though.

[redbeard111]

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[3d monkey]

If there is an ET race that eats meat or has a need for a certain hormone, that might be the simplest answer.

It is vital to find the key when the paper is black and grey.

[Ace Rimmer]

I watched a UFO program yesterday and they had a farmer on who's cattle were being mutilated over a few years and he saw helicopters invovled. He really convinced me some of what has been, or is still going on, it is being done by us, not aliens.