The Money Pit

[Moon]

Actually, I would think they already dug up their vast treasure and found a nice tropical area to live and spend it. They would of made the Money Pit to throw off other pirates and peoples who would be after their treasure.

Again, they did not want to be followed after they had their loot, and what a perfect way to keep their seekers occupied while they lived the rest of their lives in peace.

This is only a theory, and a down to Earth one at that. It is not as glossy as having the Ark of the Covenant down the pit, but it does make a lot of sense when one really starts thinking about this mystery and why they went through all that effort.

Two things come to mind:

1. Someone does not want people to find what is down there.

2. Someone wants to keep others occupied while they run off with the loot.

Being a pirate was a tough and life risking job. Most would do it for enough money so they could live out the rest of their days in peace.

[upperworld]

If it was just a matter of digging the pit and layering the oak platforms then i would agree with you Max, but the incredibly complex underground flood system is just too detailed and well built to be a pirate trap. At least, in my estimation, it is. I know no more about pirates than anyone else but it just doesn't add up.

The idea that we are not supposed to find whatever is at the bottom holds more water (pun intended) as the "money pit" sure has baffled us to this point. But we are getting closer, and we will get to the bottom. I just hope we like what we find.

[Moon]

The thing about pirates is people of all walks of life could become one. It is possible a Freemason (or successor to the Knights Templar) could of been on a pirate ship.

I do agree the pit itself is very intricate and it would of been a lot of work just to trick others. But their lives literally depended on something like that as they would of been executed once found also.

Again, this is just an idea I have about what the Money Pit or Oak Island Pit could be. I also hope it either has treasure or some very important find. I also think it is quite possible we will be very disappointed too.

[mahalla2]

Actually, I would think they already dug up their vast treasure and found a nice tropical area to live and spend it. They would of made the Money Pit to throw off other pirates and peoples who would be after their treasure.

Again, they did not want to be followed after they had their loot, and what a perfect way to keep their seekers occupied while they lived the rest of their lives in peace.

This is only a theory, and a down to Earth one at that. It is not as glossy as having the Ark of the Covenant down the pit, but it does make a lot of sense when one really starts thinking about this mystery and why they went through all that effort.

Two things come to mind:

1. Someone does not want people to find what is down there.

2. Someone wants to keep others occupied while they run off with the loot.

Being a pirate was a tough and life risking job. Most would do it for enough money so they could live out the rest of their days in peace.

Seems the definition of a pirate might vary depending on who is doing the defining so one might be considered a pirate by some and not by others. Thus, one faction of a group such as an older order of the Knights Templar (i.e. the Rome connection) might consider another faction (i.e. the Greek or Byzantine connection) as an opposing or pirate faction, for example, if they were at odds with each other for the wealth, power and contro l of the world's resources. Also, it seems the money pit was originally dug by a people who definitely had an advanced knowledge of engineering principles so perhaps was a detourant to something else considered even more important which was taking place in a totally different area at the same time.

[Gliese581]

I had posted in another thread relating to the "money pit" suggesting that it may just be an ancient water filtration system. It seems to me that they would have a near endless source of water, coming in from the "feed" tubes from the ocean, and then pumping it up through the "money pit", using the layers of wood, rock, coconut fiber, soil and everything else that's in there to filter out the water. It kinda makes sense when you think of simple aquarium filters with the charcoal and fiber as well as water softener systems that are used on well water.

This theory obviously doesn't explain how they built it in the first place nor does it explain how they pumped the water out of the pit.

I think the only way to know for sure would be to dig up the entire pit to see if there is anything other than layers of wood, rock, coconut fiber, etc in there...which is obviously not possible without first figuring out a way to stop the water from funneling into the pit.

[upperworld]

I had posted in another thread relating to the "money pit" suggesting that it may just be an ancient water filtration system. It seems to me that they would have a near endless source of water, coming in from the "feed" tubes from the ocean, and then pumping it up through the "money pit", using the layers of wood, rock, coconut fiber, soil and everything else that's in there to filter out the water. It kinda makes sense when you think of simple aquarium filters with the charcoal and fiber as well as water softener systems that are used on well water.

This theory obviously doesn't explain how they built it in the first place nor does it explain how they pumped the water out of the pit.

I think the only way to know for sure would be to dig up the entire pit to see if there is anything other than layers of wood, rock, coconut fiber, etc in there...which is obviously not possible without first figuring out a way to stop the water from funneling into the pit.

The concept is interesting but there are no coconuts within thousands of miles of Oak Island. It would have been much more useful to build a filter out of something available the engineers. In addition, this doesn't explain the stone with the inscription of treasure below. Unless that treasure is water...which also seems unlikely.

[Gliese581]

The concept is interesting but there are no coconuts within thousands of miles of Oak Island. It would have been much more useful to build a filter out of something available the engineers. In addition, this doesn't explain the stone with the inscription of treasure below. Unless that treasure is water...which also seems unlikely.

I think the coconut fiber was intentionally brought there to be used due to its properties or qualities for filtration. Maybe coconut fiber had been used by other salt-water civilizations as a means of making the water drinkable....i dunno

Also, is this the stone you were referring to?:
http://www.activemind.com/Mysterious/To ... ation.html

I don't disagree with you that there might be buried treasure in the pit...I was just throwing out an alternative possibility of the pit's purpose. Hopefully someday, in my lifetime, we will know the answer!

[mahalla2]

[Also, is this the stone you were referring to?:
http://www.activemind.com/Mysterious/To ... ation.html

This is just another form of pigpen cypher which would most likely be of masonic origin. So in other words, they were all over the place and up to all kinds of things worldwide - even then!

[Gliese581]

I did some Google-ing on the coconut fiber and I found that it is used a lot in water filtration....

"This water filter is effective on a variety of levels. First, the coconut fiber helps to stop the growth of fungus, so you can be sure your drinking water is fungi free. Additionally, with the coconut fiber laid down on top of the carbon filter, the carbon filter will stay in the tank better; the top fiber will also help to trap some of the larger pieces of impurities that are found in the water."

"High performance coconut active carbon removes remnant chlorine, organic substances, unpleasant taste and smell, mold spores as well as heavy metal particles (mercury, lead and chrome +6)."

"Operation of the coconut fiber/burnt rice husks filter for supplying drinking water to rural communities in Southeast Asia."

Things that make you go, Hhhhhmmmmm!

[mahalla2]

I did some Google-ing on the coconut fiber and I found that it is used a lot in water filtration....

"This water filter is effective on a variety of levels. First, the coconut fiber helps to stop the growth of fungus, so you can be sure your drinking water is fungi free. Additionally, with the coconut fiber laid down on top of the carbon filter, the carbon filter will stay in the tank better; the top fiber will also help to trap some of the larger pieces of impurities that are found in the water."

"High performance coconut active carbon removes remnant chlorine, organic substances, unpleasant taste and smell, mold spores as well as heavy metal particles (mercury, lead and chrome +6)."

"Operation of the coconut fiber/burnt rice husks filter for supplying drinking water to rural communities in Southeast Asia."

Things that make you go, Hhhhhmmmmm!

interesting - so the money pit could have been originally engineered for some type of water filtration system - yes, that makes sense!

[upperworld]

I disagree with the filtration idea. Even if coconut fibers provide filtration, i'm sure there are other fibers that grow within a 1000 miles of Oak Island that would have been much more accessible and practical to use besides coconut. In addition, if the stone is a cipher relating to the masons, what purpose do the masons have in creating a giant Brita filter. I still think that whether it is a giant hoax, or a legit mystery, the purpose of the pit is to protect something at the bottom.

[angeloneastralseed]

Why would an uninhabited island need water filtration? Even if there were people living on it, (I can't tell, because Google has it blurred) you don't see other islands with this type of water filtration units. Besides, Canada is right there - loaded with fresh water, much easier to boat it across than to build this huge contraption.

[Gliese581]

Why would an uninhabited island need water filtration? Even if there were people living on it, (I can't tell, because Google has it blurred) you don't see other islands with this type of water filtration units. Besides, Canada is right there - loaded with fresh water, much easier to boat it across than to build this huge contraption.

I agree that it doesn't seem practical or logical for it to be a fresh water system, but it seemed to fit based on what is known so far about the construction of the pit.....guess we won't know until someone decides to try to get to the bottom of it, literally!

Ok, upperworld, sounds like a road trip is in order!!

[Moon]

The water filtration system also seems like a plausible idea. That would mean there might be a lost city nearby (or ruins).

I think many get hung up on the idea that there must be treasure down there, and everyone loves a treasure hunt.

I don't discount any of the theories here as we simply don't know until they actually dig up the well/pit.

Part of me hopes the pit remains a mystery.

[mahalla2]

well, it seems for whatever reasons whoever engineered the creation of the money pit possibly included a method to filter the water so who knows perhaps whatever was placed at the bottom of the pit needed to be in filtered and not salt water (since salt water would corrode a substance like metal much faster) Also the object they brought with them to bury could possibly have originated in a tropical climate too -

[upperworld]

Ok now i'm seriously getting antsy about this. Maybe instead of everyone speculating what is down there we can all pitch in and find out. Who lives in the Northeast besides me? I got a shovel

[mahalla2]

Ok now i'm seriously getting antsy about this. Maybe instead of everyone speculating what is down there we can all pitch in and find out. Who lives in the Northeast besides me? I got a shovel

Personally, I would stay away from the place because what bothers me the most is the fact that the whole thing was not only engineered to filter out salt water but was strategically alligned towards true North as well. Thus, if and when there is any kind of a major earth disturbance (solar flares, magnetic/electrical event, etc.) it could possibly serve (depending on what it is) as some type of powerful nuclear device (receiving and remitting atmospheric voltage of some sort) and perhaps 2012 doomsday theories would be more of a possiblity after all -

[Scriber]

I also just found this forum and thought this would be a good thread to say Hello. Had to get my first post in. Let me start off by saying Thank You to the hard working people who make this available for us. It is very refreshing place to waste time. Anyways good knowledge is never a waste. Also the money pit has always interested me. I think its a little to complex to be natural. So the question is who and why did create this? Interesting to me that John Wayne showed interest in the little island in Nova Scotia. Cheers Mates ! Happy New Years to all and look forward reading all the posts.

[ArmyOfDarkness]

Ok now i'm seriously getting antsy about this. Maybe instead of everyone speculating what is down there we can all pitch in and find out. Who lives in the Northeast besides me? I got a shovel

So far everyone has proven that digging with all of the activated water traps (that previous excavations have uncovered) have flooded the hole is near impossible.

Now I have an idea that just may work. It does have problems and would create a lot of extra work, but here goes.... Drum roll please

What if someone (you?) refilled the money pit with earth? Then once you get it good and compacted as you fill it in, start digging again.

It would create a lot more work, but wouldn't it eliminate the water (absorption)? Wouldn't it also be easier to re-dig to the current depth with an acute knowledge of what is coming and where? From this point your literally starting with a clean slate again once you get back to where it was left at.

Just an idea that is "simple", and a little out of the box.

-AoD-

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[Ace Rimmer]

Hi Scriber, Welcome to the forum.

Have fun and I look forward to hearing more from you.

[ArmyOfDarkness]

As I just posted this in the other Money Pit thread, it seems appropriate to place it hear as well. What do you think?...


So far everyone has proven that digging with all of the activated water traps (that previous excavations have uncovered) have flooded the hole is near impossible.

Now I have an idea that just may work. It does have problems and would create a lot of extra work, but here goes.... Drum roll please

What if someone (you?) refilled the money pit with earth? Then once you get it good and compacted as you fill it in, start digging again.

It would create a lot more work, but wouldn't it eliminate the water (absorption)? Wouldn't it also be easier to re-dig to the current depth with an acute knowledge of what is coming and where? From this point your literally starting with a clean slate again once you get back to where it was left at.

Just an idea that is "simple", and a little out of the box.

-AoD-

[Moon]

The problem with refilling it with dirt is that the holes where the water now fills the pits would still be a problem. The persons who built the pit probably used a system to keep the holes plugged until someone tried to dig it up.

They probably had a map that showed how to dig around the water lines when they needed to dig up whatever was down there.

I have thought about that too, and what they would need is a way to seal up the pipelines from the sea that keep refilling the pit.

[mahalla2]

well, perhaps whatever they decide to do (because I'm fairly sure they won't just leave it alone) they might consider being on the look out for any strange illuminous arcing/activity in the sky over the site -

[Jimmy7070]

That would not go any good as there are a series of external tunnels that lead into the money pit so it will stay swamped with water that must have been dug many years before the water in the ocean became quite a bit higher. I don't think they will ever find the bottom due to the extra tunnels leading to the ocean.
Jimmy

[upperworld]

The only way to dig it up would be to dig new tunnels connecting to each of the 3 underground water sources. Once the tunnels intersect, block off the entrance to the pit and install a pump through your new tunnel so all the water would be diverted back away from the pit and it would dry out enough to dig. That is a LOT of work. It is also rather destructive to the island which may be why it hasn't been done as permits are difficult to acquire for such things.

[angeloneastralseed]

We'll just have to wait for the next ice age when the ocean recedes and it can't flood anymore. Maybe it was build during the last ice age. The way the Atlantic Current is being shut down, we may get that chance in about 10 years - so we can save up our pennies for the next 10 years and have a reunion on Oak Island! Unless, that is, someone can out smart the contraption before then.

[cavemanstyle]

It seems like someone, or "some-thing" took a natural formation and amplified it's function for another function.

I don't know all of the facts, and wish I was there to see them all as the previous digs happened, but unfortunately, alot has been concealed. Eisenhower spent money on the dig, but gave up as well.

If you ask me. The only successful way to dig it out would be to have the water traps sealed shut on the rim of the island, and the water pumped out of the shaft. Then, digging could continue. Of course, finding them all would be a small problem, but not impossible.

If anyone with any major investment money wants to literally "get to the bottom" of this.. hit me up, I can get it done for you. It's just a matter of physics, time, and money power.

[Inquisitive]

Why doesnt someone just sink a metal tube with ladder rungs welded to the sides of it. Presuurize if needed to keep the water out.
The supposed chamber that may hold something was discovered in 1897 was around 160' deep.

[upperworld]

Why doesnt someone just sink a metal tube with ladder rungs welded to the sides of it. Presuurize if needed to keep the water out.
The supposed chamber that may hold something was discovered in 1897 was around 160' deep.

It does seem there are a few logical ways to advance the exploration of the Money Pit. I think nothing is happening because the Canadian government is probably being very strict and taking their time as to who they allow dig permits to. I don't know this for a fact, but given the curious nature of our race, it is the only logical explanation as to why there haven't been any developments in the past few years.

[Moon]

Permits being granted is the main problem right now. Of course, when they are granted, the owners of the island might change their minds.

What I would like is for History or Discovery Channel to do mini series on the island where they get a team who will actually dig down the Pit and find out what is down there. They can keep it a secret and also edit the time to six or so episodes leaving the final one of what is found.

It would be a huge ratings getter.

[Ace Rimmer]

We invade Canada, take over Nova Scotia and build a huge American Embassy on Oak Island.

[upperworld]

We invade Canada, take over Nova Scotia and build a huge American Embassy on Oak Island.

As long as no Canadians are hurt in the process...i'm game.

[mahalla2]

We invade Canada, take over Nova Scotia and build a huge American Embassy on Oak Island.

yes, but then it would be just another money pit -

[Ace Rimmer]

Absolutely!
You know just going by the fact that no government is interested in The Oak Island "Treasure", especially us, makes me believe there is nothing there.

[mahalla2]

Absolutely!
You know just going by the fact that no government is interested in The Oak Island "Treasure", especially us, makes me believe there is nothing there.

well, I think there might be something down there but considering how long it takes government officials to even return an email, seems the tax payer could be strapped for this project indefinitely -