Mistakes in Ancient Aliens

[Vance]

I don't remember what episode it was, but I believe it was Jason Martell who talked about Viracocha and how he descended from the sky and that he taught humans in various disciplines. However in every text I've read (and this includes Graham Hancock's Fingerprints of the Gods) Viracocha is described as coming out of Lake Titicaca.

Now that might seem like a minor thing but we who support the AA theory can't let even a minute detail be discovered as untruthful. In discussing these things with other people I certainly make sure all the things I talk about are backed up by some sort of writing or the facts I present are actual facts. I would love the AA theory to be proven as truth and the only way we will get there is truth. The truth will set us free? Right? Something like that.

There are a couple of other mistakes I noticed like that, and alot of stuff I just could not verify after hearing them on the show and looking them up myself. Not to say those aren't true, I just couldn't find them.

Anyone else notice stuff like that?

[PegasusAngel]

Your point about Viracocha strikes a cord...I've read Graham's book and I think you may be right...I'll have to check though.

[upperworld]

I don't remember what episode it was, but I believe it was Jason Martell who talked about Viracocha and how he descended from the sky and that he taught humans in various disciplines. However in every text I've read (and this includes Graham Hancock's Fingerprints of the Gods) Viracocha is described as coming out of Lake Titicaca.

Now that might seem like a minor thing but we who support the AA theory can't let even a minute detail be discovered as untruthful. In discussing these things with other people I certainly make sure all the things I talk about are backed up by some sort of writing or the facts I present are actual facts. I would love the AA theory to be proven as truth and the only way we will get there is truth. The truth will set us free? Right? Something like that.

There are a couple of other mistakes I noticed like that, and alot of stuff I just could not verify after hearing them on the show and looking them up myself. Not to say those aren't true, I just couldn't find them.

Anyone else notice stuff like that?

I haven't noticed any other blatant missteps like that, however there have been a few bits on the show based on very sketchy evidence or ideas that are rather illogical. Such as the inclusion of the hollow earth theory in one episode and then the contradiction of "there were no giants" and then "there were giants". I love the AA Series, i just really hope they are doing their due diligence before each and every bit of information hits the airwaves because the skeptics (and i include myself in that group as well...i guess we all are) are just looking for one chink in the armor to write off the whole argument.

[lunarwing]

The AA hypososis is not an exact science... and one could say it is still in it's infancy. I think we will eventually shake the chaf from the wheat as we discuss the AA theory like we do here.

[skyeye]

I would not let this detail discourage you. Just like Lunarwing says it the best AA is in its early stages for mainstream public. I was also reminded that many "gods of the sky" have been depicted as coming out of a body of water and returning to the stars. As for some of the conspiracy theories presented, not all pertain to AAT and its your choice to discriminate between them. Unlike skeptics, I enjoy far out theories and don't close myself completely out to them whether I want to or not -by the way welcome!

[Moon]

He might of came out of the lake, but he claimed to be from the skies. Most of the ancient gods claim to be from the heavens, although they might of lived in caves, rivers, lakes etc.

I don't think it is a big error as Graham Hancock is not an expert on the ancient languages either.

[Vance]

Thanks for everyone's comments, I agree this is a relatively new field we are discussing and there is an abundance of evidence that backs up our theory and can't be derailed by a few mistakes.

I was thinking of typing up something that would list all of the megalithic sites and other mysteries that could be attributed to AAs, and then list what the mainstream archaeologists/historians have to say about them; sort of a point-counterpoint thing. Just to get all the ideas out on the table in one place.

[lunarwing]

I was thinking of typing up something that would list all of the megalithic sites and other mysteries that could be attributed to AAs, and then list what the mainstream archaeologists/historians have to say about them; sort of a point-counterpoint thing. Just to get all the ideas out on the table in one place.

You have your work cut out for you.... it'll be a monsterous task brother!

[Gemini]

In season 1, episode 2, the Native North American part:

It is stated that the Native North Americans didn't have the written word, they had the spoken word.

Still portraying the Native North Americans as being incapable of having a writing system.

The Native North Americans did have writing. 'Ancient American' magazine discusses this as well as 'The Lost Civilizations of North America' documentary.

Here's the trailer from the documentary:

http://lostcivilizationdvd.com/trailer.html

[bveilleux]

I'm not 100% sure the episode name or which season, but there is a section i remember in the show where they were talking about man communicating with the gods. They actually had a small statue that looked something like an acorn, and i believe Robert Cargill was mentioning that the statue symbolized where they went to talk to the gods. In the show, they visually and verbally compare this statue to the tip or crew pod of some of our modern rockets sending people into space.

However, If you really look at the statue the small indentations around it and the acorn or pine-cone like shape of it suggests to me that they are talking about the pineal gland, and that would end up being what the statue represents. When you listen to them pointing at the statue and saying "this is where they say they went to speak with the gods," it actually goes along well with the information surrounding the pineal gland and it's mysterious 'eye like' functions, It is mentioned all over the place that this 'pineal gland' was sacred, and it looks to me as if in some sumerian images, the gods are actually pointing or placing the pineal gland, in which a man sat kneeling ready to receive the third eye from the gods.

I suppose i should pick through and see exactly what episode this came from to help understand what i mean, but it will have to be in a follow-up post.

[Vance]

Update.

In "Chariots, Gods & Beyond" EvD mentions that the largest stone block found at Puma Punku weighs 800 tons.

I searched and searched and the only thing I found was that the largest stone was 131 metric tons. (144 US tons)

I wonder where he is getting the number from?

Edit: I found somewhere that said the largest was 400 tons. So we've got 800 from EvD, 400 from word of mouth, and 144 from mainstream sources.

Also, mainstream makes no mention of granite or diorite, only sandstone, with GT said was not there.

Why is this so friggin' difficult? Does it always have to be so frustrating?

[Hearte]

Why is this so friggin' difficult? Does it always have to be so frustrating?

“Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive."

Hearte

[Azure Butterfly Iheyu]

Hey there i have not read into anything that you guys are currently talk about just thought that i would drop in my two cents, one thing that would have to say is about the hollow earth theory yes i do understand that the earth being hollow is unlikely but we can not rule it out just cause we think that it is completely false ( the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence ) to quote from where ever, that can equally be said for many other theories about AA, and really anything for that matter, but personally i would love for a hollow earth, think about it if it was hollow what kind of life could sustained there? another thing that i would like to point out is some scientists or whoever ( i cant remember ) claims that in the near future ( possibly ) the earth magnetic poles are going to shift, meaning that the mantle of the planet would have to rotate ( or however the earth would go about that ) but i think that it would be easier if the earth was hollow to achieve such a feat. That is my two cents here ( i think that this could have been put somewhere else but what the hey its 3 in the morn and im bored ) =^_^=

[Huckleberry_G.]

I was under the impression that the viracocha had come from the foamy turbulent seas, following a great cataclysm.

this theme of "civilization bringers" from far off destroyed lands all have their roots with Atlantean and Lemurian backgrounds, and so far it is all congruent as well with ancient astronauts.

The viracocha very well WERE "gods" from outer space, however it seems (when taken literally from the translated texts) that in the case of meso-american and south american god/human first encounters, that they came from the sea. Remember Tiwanaku has been clearly defined as a shipping port connected to lake Titicaca. Now given the fact that there would be hardly any use in constructing such a large port on a lake that is clearly finite, we have drawn the conclusions that it was once connected to the ocean, making Tiwanaku an ocean port, and not a lake port... This means that if the viracocha did come via lake Titicaca, they were infact, concluding a trans-oceanic venture.

this does not negate the fact that there were encounters of humans and gods traveling to and from space, hell, they claim that as well, but as far as the viracocha arrival is concerned, it seemed to be from a distant, destroyed land across the ocean.

feel free to rebut anything I have just said if you have evidence that states otherwise --- none of us have all the answers! But damn it is fun searching, ain't it?

[Moon]

Huckleberry, there are good arguments for both cases of Viracocha being an extraterrestrial or from an ancient civilization. The interesting point about both is the claim the he was a real flesh and blood person and not a myth.

If either one is true, it would change the course of history.

[Majeston]

I'm not 100% sure the episode name or which season, but there is a section i remember in the show where they were talking about man communicating with the gods. They actually had a small statue that looked something like an acorn, and i believe Robert Cargill was mentioning that the statue symbolized where they went to talk to the gods. In the show, they visually and verbally compare this statue to the tip or crew pod of some of our modern rockets sending people into space.

However, If you really look at the statue the small indentations around it and the acorn or pine-cone like shape of it suggests to me that they are talking about the pineal gland, and that would end up being what the statue represents. When you listen to them pointing at the statue and saying "this is where they say they went to speak with the gods," it actually goes along well with the information surrounding the pineal gland and it's mysterious 'eye like' functions, It is mentioned all over the place that this 'pineal gland' was sacred, and it looks to me as if in some sumerian images, the gods are actually pointing or placing the pineal gland, in which a man sat kneeling ready to receive the third eye from the gods.

I suppose i should pick through and see exactly what episode this came from to help understand what i mean, but it will have to be in a follow-up post.

I noticed this also- it is an erroneous conclusion-
This is actually the fruit from the "tree of life" which was in the "Garden of Eden"
You will see this tree and fruit symbol drawn on many representations of the tree and of Adam & Eve- from the Sumerian tablets and also from other tablets who knew of this extraordinary tree.
You can also read more about it beginning here-
http://urantiabook.org/newbook/papers/p073.htm





http://firstlegend.info/thetreeoflife.html

[armedequation]

when it comes to most of this stuff, I cant argue points or get into a debate. Instead I want answers to the who, how, when, where & why.
Im not so demanding that i need all information now (or do I?) but it seems like most just disregard it

i gotta say either way im hooked til i know more truths about our past....

[Ancient-Scoop]

In this Episode (Alien Contacts - originally aired around 12/30/2010), Giorgio Tsoukalos makes reference to Moses describing "Earth as seen from outer space..." About 9 minutes into the episode, He (Giorgio) quotes the Bible as stating, "Thereupon I saw the whole round of the Earth; at once the depth of the Earth, and the vast altitudes of the Heavens."

I have not been able to locate this or any similar verse which I would expect to have been in Exodus... did anyone else catch this? Has anyone been able to reference it? If so, please share... It was amazing to me that there was Biblical reference to Earth being round. I would love to confirm...

[Majeston]

Most likely from John's corrupted revelation or from the book of Enoch

[Huckleberry_G.]

In this Episode (Alien Contacts - originally aired around 12/30/2010), Giorgio Tsoukalos makes reference to Moses describing "Earth as seen from outer space..." About 9 minutes into the episode, He (Giorgio) quotes the Bible as stating, "Thereupon I saw the whole round of the Earth; at once the depth of the Earth, and the vast altitudes of the Heavens."

I have not been able to locate this or any similar verse which I would expect to have been in Exodus... did anyone else catch this? Has anyone been able to reference it? If so, please share... It was amazing to me that there was Biblical reference to Earth being round. I would love to confirm...

are you 100% it was Moses he was talking about? I recall watching this but am fuzzy on the specifics...

it wouldn't be the book of Enoch that this was written, as I believe Giorgio was talking about a passage from the "actual" Bible as we know it today

[Hearte]

The quote was in there, and it was stated that Moses says this in Exodus.

But Moses does not say this in Exodus. Or anywhere else.

In fact, the quote cannot be found anywhere in the Bible.

It's just another fabrication created to mislead people that don't have the background to catch on to the scam.

Hearte

[Huckleberry_G.]

The quote was in there, and it was stated that Moses says this in Exodus.

But Moses does not say this in Exodus. Or anywhere else.

In fact, the quote cannot be found anywhere in the Bible.

It's just another fabrication created to mislead people that don't have the background to catch on to the scam.

Hearte

you believe the AAT and the tv show are both just elaborate hoaxes? granted not all of the information and theories are going to be 100% accurate as everyone involved is aware this is no exact science.

maybe a topic for a different thread, but just curious...

Also the version you are reading could be a large factor, not sure but will check into it personally as well.

[Majeston]

The quote was in there, and it was stated that Moses says this in Exodus.

But Moses does not say this in Exodus. Or anywhere else.

In fact, the quote cannot be found anywhere in the Bible.

It's just another fabrication created to mislead people that don't have the background to catch on to the scam.

Hearte

You shouldn't run off at the mouth so quickly Hearte, the truth of this will eventually come out. No one is trying to fool anyone or fabricate anything. Give it time, Georgio will explain where it came from.
If this ignorant bias of yours is what you really believe then you obviously are in the wrong place.

[Hearte]

You shouldn't run off at the mouth so quickly Hearte, the truth of this will eventually come out. No one is trying to fool anyone or fabricate anything. Give it time, Georgio will explain where it came from.
If this ignorant bias of yours is what you really believe then you obviously are in the wrong place.

What I said, that the quote isn't in the Bible anywhere, is the truth, and it has come out.

If Mr. Tsoukalis actually believes what he said, then he was fooled by whoever made the claim up.

If I'm so ignorant, show me the verse in Exodus. Or anywhere in the Bible. Any translation.

you believe the AAT and the tv show are both just elaborate hoaxes? granted not all of the information and theories are going to be 100% accurate as everyone involved is aware this is no exact science.

I think people want to believe in AAT. The television show caters to those people.

Plus, it has good cinematography.

Also the version you are reading could be a large factor, not sure but will check into it personally as well.

I'd appreciate it if you would. Then maybe you can join me in my "ignorance."

Hearte

[Huckleberry_G.]

You shouldn't run off at the mouth so quickly Hearte, the truth of this will eventually come out. No one is trying to fool anyone or fabricate anything. Give it time, Georgio will explain where it came from.
If this ignorant bias of yours is what you really believe then you obviously are in the wrong place.

What I said, that the quote isn't in the Bible anywhere, is the truth, and it has come out.

If Mr. Tsoukalis actually believes what he said, then he was fooled by whoever made the claim up.

If I'm so ignorant, show me the verse in Exodus. Or anywhere in the Bible. Any translation.

you believe the AAT and the tv show are both just elaborate hoaxes? granted not all of the information and theories are going to be 100% accurate as everyone involved is aware this is no exact science.

I think people want to believe in AAT. The television show caters to those people.

Plus, it has good cinematography.

Also the version you are reading could be a large factor, not sure but will check into it personally as well.

I'd appreciate it if you would. Then maybe you can join me in my "ignorance."

Hearte

You should start a thread in this category with all of your evidence to the contrary of what is discussed here... I personally would be more than happy to check it out. Hell, currently I'm reading a book from the 1970's on ancient egypt and it is most definitely written by someone who would fall into the egyptologist category, no AAT mentioned of course.

yet in this book I find remarkably more holes than I do sensible conclusions as to why the egyptians may have done this or that ceremony, spoke of this 'god' or that one, etc.

This is one of the reasons the AAT is so attractive to many, it fills in a LOT of the holes that most sensible people see in the current ideology. Not only that, but it fills in the holes using very honest and open scientific methods, which anyone is free to check out for themselves.

Who knows about Noah talking about seeing Earth from above... Frankly, that is of very little interest to me when compared against the overwhelming evidence that exists elsewhere on the planet and is, again, able to be seen by anybody. Puma Punku/Tiwanaku should be a pretty "in your face" example of such evidence. Or the fact that Sumerians were aware of ten planets in our solar system yet we didn't discover Pluto until 1930, and our tenth member has only been identified within roughly the past decade.

[Majeston]

Perhaps Georgio's quote comes from the "Apocalypses of Paul". You should get yourself a copy. Paul was shown a great vision .

there is also the following


Is. 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

[Hearte]

Perhaps Georgio's quote comes from the "Apocalypses of Paul". You should get yourself a copy. Paul was shown a great vision .

there is also the following


Is. 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Possibly.

However, the quote was attributed to Moses (in Exodus) in the show, and your quote above is not similar to what was stated in the show.

Hearte

[Majeston]

Perhaps Georgio's quote comes from the "Apocalypses of Paul". You should get yourself a copy. Paul was shown a great vision .

there is also the following


Is. 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Possibly.

However, the quote was attributed to Moses (in Exodus) in the show, and your quote above is not similar to what was stated in the show.

Hearte

Perhaps Georgio mis-spoke, it happens, although I doubt it, the quote is too exact, he got it from someplace obviously, why not ask him directly, there is a folder here to address Georgio directly, why not use it instead of running off at the mouth trying to slander him or insinuate that someone is trying to deceive you or fabricate a hoax. Your attitude stinks.

Ancient Aliens is not a theory, it is a fact, although there are several erroneous theories in the series. It is not just Ancient Aliens, the reality is much greater than that. Ancient Aliens is but a tiny part of what's going on. For one little fact, there are more than 5 1/2 trillion inhabited planets and we just happen to be one of the youngest, but just as loved and cared for as if we were the only one. You just happen to have the wrong revelation and even if you had the right one it would take you many years to understand it and break through all your faulty programming of what you think reality is. I doubt that you have either the character or fortitude to embark on the journey. YMMV

[Bob137]

Slam Me! Slam Me! Why don't you take a rope, and hang me! High from the highest tree! Brother don't you wait for me! Do do, to to do to do! If I was correct on everything I ever said, I would be a God, or a saint, but I ain't no saint, and I ain't no God, and never will be, neither will you, or anyone else on earth, or on any other planet! To err, is human! We are all humans, possibly, and most likely alien hybrids, but still human, so we will all make a mistake now and then! Big Deal, it is better to make a mistake, than to think one is perfect! I am not sure of where the statement came from on Moses, but I must say, the Bible is rot full of wholes, along with mainstream science! Anyone who thinks that a show's director/editor hasn't taken anything anyone on a show out of context, and re-did it to seem to say something different, is sadly mistaken! I am not saying that is what may have happened, but such as has been stated here, obviously, ask Giorgio himself, where he got that information!

[Hearte]

Perhaps Georgio mis-spoke, it happens, although I doubt it, the quote is too exact, he got it from someplace obviously, why not ask him directly, there is a folder here to address Georgio directly, why not use it instead of running off at the mouth trying to slander him or insinuate that someone is trying to deceive you or fabricate a hoax. Your attitude stinks.

What "stinks" is the attitude you have about how and what other people should think.

My "attitude" is to try and find out the truth. Apparently, yours is to try to hide it.

Hearte

[Bob137]

The truth is that people are human, and sometimes make a mistake, I am quite sure he meant to say the statement was from the book of Enoch. Anyway, to be a stickler on this subject, The evidence of ancient aliens all over the planet from time immoral to the present is without a doubt all around the world! For one to hold fast to the neanderthal thinking of mainstream archeology and Egyptology that mankind evolved from monkey's and religion is all hocus pocus dreams and imaginations, is really funny, considering the evidence all around the world, in all lands, and all peoples from ancient times to the present. To disregard such facts, is totally unscientific, and religious dogmas are just as blind, and ridiculous! Who cut the granite, and diorite, and with simple copper tools only? Nobody, it is impossible! They were machined, and the cuts on numerous of those stones around the world prove it!

[Hearte]

The truth is that people are human, and sometimes make a mistake, I am quite sure he meant to say the statement was from the book of Enoch.

Could be. But it wasn't my question originally anyway. Ancient-Scoop was the one that brought it up.

Let him ask Giorgio. I think I already know what sort of answer I would get. One that I wouldn't believe anyway.

Hearte

[Huckleberry_G.]

the passage in question is so miraculously minute when compared to the other evidence that has been presented in the AAT that its truth simply doesn't concern me.

if it was a mixup, or whatever, there has been plenty of information that is entirely self observable and proven to be fact...

again, the bible is a translation of a translation of a translation... and then some... why don't you focus on the more solid of facts, and then research them further in a medium that isn't just presented to you by the History Channel...

is there any way that you could please explain that the Sumerians blatantly and graphically depicted ten planets revolving around our sun, and had extensive information about said tenth (or twelfth, depending on your perspective) planet... we have not even discovered the existence of the last member of our solar system until the last one or two decades, and even still cannot get a full image of the dead star, yet we know it exists now... so how did a people some couple thousand years old know this? If the answer is "well they had a lot of time to stare at the stars" I really will have nothing else to say.

the main point is, something in what we have been told, in the conventional sense, does not add up...

[Hearte]

is there any way that you could please explain that the Sumerians blatantly and graphically depicted ten planets revolving around our sun, and had extensive information about said tenth (or twelfth, depending on your perspective) planet...

That's easy, they didn't.


No Sumerian, Akkadian, Babylonian, Assyrian or other Mesopotamian culture, or any other ancient culture for that matter, ever left any record of any planet in the solar system other than the planets that can be seen with the naked eye.

You've been misled.

Hearte

[Huckleberry_G.]

okay then please explain...

12 planets in all... if you debate that the sun is in the center of the solar system depiction I don't know what to say... clearly it is a sun, and 11 orbs rotating around it... again, 12 in all...

to deny this is to simply say that the people who are currently at the head of this research are simply lying for their own malicious purposes.... personally i do not believe that, as the evidence speaks for itself