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Voynich Manuscript

Postby angeloneastralseed » Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:25 pm

Wow, this is the first time I have seen this. It's been around since 1912, tho. Very interesting. The book that can't be read.

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/s ... b-Overview

Some of those pictures have that pine cone thing in it.
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Postby upperworld » Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:56 pm

EvD's "History is Wrong" focuses a lot on the Voynich manuscript. I definitely recommend it as it is one of his best books overall.
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Postby Moon » Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:06 pm

This is a fascinating subject for me, a mysterious coded book that seems to be about nature and science.

I do hope it is one day encoded, but it is also nice to have a great mystery too.
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Postby Jeff Sheets » Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:12 am

Wow, looks like they carbon dated it and it is older than they imagined...early 1400s

http://www.science20.com/news_articles/ ... tury-76120
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Postby doctorword » Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:13 am

yep i was jsut reading about this last night. a century older than originally thought.....greater than the da vinci code
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Postby upperworld » Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:29 pm

Like the Oak Island Money Pit the Voynich Manuscript (in my estimation) is just far too elaborate to be a giant hoax.
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Postby Bob137 » Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:01 pm

It is possibly an alchemists coded writings, one that spent much time working with plants, and decided to design new intriguing, maybe he or she even developed some new hybrid plants, or utilized the drawings of strange plants as another code of certain plants. Whoever did this, must have been very intelligent, a Savant possibly or maybe a Shaman or all the above! :D
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Postby Ace Rimmer » Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:23 pm

Another good article about it, it's so fascinating.

http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_13.htm
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Postby Bob137 » Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:52 pm

Maybe an alien did it, just to screw with us, or a hybrid, which is probably what Bacon was!
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Re: Manuscript

Postby upperworld » Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:21 am

Bob137 wrote:It is possibly an alchemists coded writings, one that spent much time working with plants, and decided to design new intriguing, maybe he or she even developed some new hybrid plants, or utilized the drawings of strange plants as another code of certain plants. Whoever did this, must have been very intelligent, a Savant possibly or maybe a Shaman or all the above! :D


Were that the case you would think they would have also created some sort of "rosetta stone" key to accompany it for future decoding. The fact that our modern cryptographers cannot decipher it because it follows no conventional cipher rules means either it was written by someone of greater intelligence than us (or atleast dictated to a human by a higher being) or that we just aren't thinking outside the box enough.
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Postby ilacewords » Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:02 pm

Update on the manuscript...mostly on the dating ran over the weekend on foxnews website:

Part of the mystery behind an 'alien' book no one can read has at last been unraveled.

Found in a chest of books outside Rome by a dealer in antique books, the Voynich manuscript is among literature's great mysteries. The book of aging parchment is written in alien characters, some resembling Latin letters, others unlike anything used in any known language, and arranged into what appear to be words and sentences -- except they don't resemble anything written or read by human beings.

And for decades, the manuscript has mystified scientists.

"Is it a code, a cipher of some kind?" asked Greg Hodgins, a physicist with the University of Arizona. "People are doing statistical analysis of letter use and word use -- the tools that have been used for code breaking. But they still haven't figured it out," Hodgins said.

The DaVinci Code was fiction. The Voynich manuscript is real -- and its code remains one of history's biggest mysteries. But at least Hodgins has solved part of the mystery behind the book: it's age.


Because the parchment pages of the Voynich manuscript were made from animal skin, they can be radiocarbon-dated. Hodgins, a chemist and archaeological scientist, used radiocarbon dating on tiny bits of the pages extracted with a scalpel to determine that the book dates back to the early 15th century, making it a century older than scholars had previously thought.

Carbon-14 dating places the book's creation to between 1404 and 1438, in the early Renaissance. It's not the oldest book in the world -- that would be The Diamond Sutra, a seven-page scroll printed with wood blocks on paper in China around 1,300 years ago. But it's older than the Gutenberg bible, the first book printed with modern presses, which rolled off the line in 1453.

Despite these revelations, the book -- with its alien language (possibly a coded writing) and puzzling drawings -- remains largely a mystery, said Kevin Repp, curator of modern books & manuscripts for the Beinecke Rare Book Library, which currently houses the tome.

"There are many reasons why a manuscript would have been written in code at the time," he told FoxNews.com, "fears of accusations of heresy or witchcraft among them. Then again, there is also the possibility that the manuscript doesn’t say anything at all. Some of the top researchers in the field lean toward the latter explanation, particularly since it has proven impossible using the latest computer technology to decipher the script."

Currently owned by Yale, the manuscript was discovered in the Villa Mondragone near Rome in 1912 by antique book dealer Wilfrid Voynich while sifting through a chest of books offered for sale by the Society of Jesus. Voynich dedicated the remainder of his life to unveiling the mystery of the book's origin and deciphering its meanings. He died 18 years later, without having wrestled any its secrets from the book.

Hodgins is quick to point out that anything beyond the dating aspect is outside his expertise, but he admits he is just as fascinated with the book as everybody else who has tried to unveil its history and meaning.

"There are types of ciphers that embed meaning within gibberish. So it is possible that most of it does mean nothing," he said. "There is an old cipher method where you have a sheet of paper with strategically placed holes in it. And when those holes are laid on top of the writing, you read the letters in those holes."

Hodgins is curious as to the meaning, of course, and as willing to speculate as anyone. "Who knows what's being written about in this manuscript, but it appears to be dealing with a range of topics that might relate to alchemy. Secrecy is sometimes associated with alchemy, and so it would be consistent with that tradition if the knowledge contained in the book was encoded. What we have are the drawings," he noted. "Are they botanical? Are they marine organisms? Are they astrological? Nobody knows."

"I find this manuscript is absolutely fascinating as a window into a very interesting mind. Piecing these things together was fantastic. It's a great puzzle that no one has cracked -- and who doesn't love a puzzle?"

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/02/11/history-mystery-scientists-age-voynich-manuscript/
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Re: Voynich Manuscript

Postby Foxlike Mulder » Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:43 am

New testing shows manuscript to originate in 1400s.

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/439/888/ ... ealed.html
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Re: Voynich Manuscript

Postby Azure Butterfly Iheyu » Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:27 am

After reading the book ( more or less looking at all the pretty pages ) thought that it could be a herbal guide book from another planet, now maybe it's not from another planet but it could be done by the hand of someone who was, looking at it seems to me that they had a great deal of understanding about the plants and possible remedies that could be produced, another thing that I noticed was the fact that none of the pics looked like they could trees more or less they seemed to be flower like many of them have similar root systems, even though noone can read it does not mean that it is a hoax just something very elaborate
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Re: Voynich Manuscript

Postby Jir1984 » Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:45 am

Hey guys, not sure if this has been posted but found a link to it. I'd save it to your desktop instead of trying to stream it. The PDF is about 50megs - http://awesta.sibirjak.ru/files/Voynich.pdf

Has anyone linked this to possibly Atlantis? I haven't really read much about Atlantis but I think this book is so fascinating. I was reading on some website that he easily could have faked the whole thing. Apparently you can buy unused parchment from the 1600s that costs roughly $32 a page. I guess it would be a pretty good prank but to spend $5,000+ dollars to do it doesn't make sense :)
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Re: Voynich Manuscript

Postby ilacewords » Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:24 pm

thanks for the link!

But you can buy unused parchment from the 1600s?? I had no idea you could. That's awfully cool :D
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Re: Voynich Manuscript

Postby Jir1984 » Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:30 pm

Not confirmed but according to this dude...

http://proto57.wordpress.com/
I mean, even today one can collect dozens of leaves from the end papers of countless books… and there are also, even today, many blank books in collections. As I pointed out, a few years ago, I would have been able to purchase 20 sheets of unused, 16th century vellum… at only $35 a sheet. So look again at Voynich’s 1908 purchase, this vast, jumbled literary dumping ground, and ask yourself if it would have been so hard to dig up 114 blank sheets from somewhere in it’s depths.
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Re: Voynich Manuscript

Postby ilacewords » Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:38 pm

That's very interesting. Seems to me they may be proposing that this purchase Voynich made would have allowed him access to old books and manuscripts from whence to kind of scavenge together pages to create the Manuscript as a whole. Sounds like the only way to prove or disprove this would be to date test each and every page which surely they did not do and probably will not do to validate it. Although to me it seems a good way to. If he did sort of pilfer all the pages from previous manuscripts and books then they should date differently, no?
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Re: Voynich Manuscript

Postby Jir1984 » Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:20 am

I found another good link that describes some of its history and some letters that were claimed to be written about the manuscript in the 1600's

http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_13.htm
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Re: Voynich Manuscript

Postby seeker1117 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:32 am

This wondrous old tome has poked its head back up and into the general consciousness again!

Just saw this article on BoingBoing (http://boingboing.net/2011/11/28/voynich-manuscript-online.html) about hi-rez scans of the whole thing being available online now at the Yale Library Rare Book site:

(http://beinecke.library.yale.edu/digitallibrary/voynich.html).

This thing has fascinated me ever since I first heard of it. I'd surely love to see someone with an "Ancient Alien-centric" viewpoint dive into this, spend a few years of intensely focused study on it, and see what sort of revelations they could coax out of it!
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The Voynich's Manuscript.

Postby neoconstantine » Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:10 am

I have just seen on „Planete Chanel” a very interesting movie which has been concerned the problem of this mysterious manuscript. A narrator was talking about history of research on this document. He said the dyes whose unknown author used to place the drawings were very carefully constructed and obviously – very expensive. An author could be a rich man. Some people from XVI and XVII centuries – astrologers, alchemists and cheaters were suspected to write this book – but nobody knew who wrote this document. And last the most interesting – this manuscript was been tested by carbon C14. The result turned out to be surprising – a book was written about 1420 past Christ and the only one picture which was showing the city, pointed the region where this book could be written – Northern Italy.
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Re: Voynich Manuscript

Postby Moon » Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:42 pm

Neo, I merged your post with the ongoing discussion of the Voynich Manuscript.
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Re: Voynich Manuscript

Postby Foxlike Mulder » Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:42 am

Some Finnish "Prophet of God" claimed he has decoded the manuscript. He said it's a compilation or catalog of plant life with a focus on how these plants serve medicinal purposes. In one part, the article mentions how he traced one plant to Ethiopia, a place where I find some interesting ancient history.

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/12/02/prophet-god-claims-solved-mystery-voynich-manuscript/
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