In less than 90 days, you will be "REQUIRED" by Federal Law

[doctorword]

http://current.com/news/93028205_in-les ... d-card.htm

Even though no one on Capitol Hill is talking about it, unless it is stopped, the provisions of The Real ID Act of 2005 (Public Law 109-13, 119 Stat 392), through the Department of Homeland Security, will require the federalization of State-issued driver's licenses by May 11, 2011.

This is the type of card the Nazi's and the communists in the Soviet Union made people carry.

[Orfeas]

http://current.com/news/93028205_in-less-than-90-days-you-will-be-required-by-federal-law-to-carry-a-national-id-card.htm

Even though no one on Capitol Hill is talking about it, unless it is stopped, the provisions of The Real ID Act of 2005 (Public Law 109-13, 119 Stat 392), through the Department of Homeland Security, will require the federalization of State-issued driver's licenses by May 11, 2011.

This is the type of card the Nazi's and the communists in the Soviet Union made people carry.

I said it before and i will say it again and again, guess what comes after the ID card when somehow "they realize" it doesn't work, but of course the good old rifd micro chip. Gee their plan is working perfectly and we like the sheep-people that we are, we just GOING ALONG with it.

[Moon]

http://current.com/news/93028205_in-less-than-90-days-you-will-be-required-by-federal-law-to-carry-a-national-id-card.htm

Even though no one on Capitol Hill is talking about it, unless it is stopped, the provisions of The Real ID Act of 2005 (Public Law 109-13, 119 Stat 392), through the Department of Homeland Security, will require the federalization of State-issued driver's licenses by May 11, 2011.

This is the type of card the Nazi's and the communists in the Soviet Union made people carry.

My state had one long before it was required. The main difference other than the holographic image is the magnetic strip some places use for IDs. People are grandfathered in so you will get the new one as you renew your old license.

[ilacewords]

I bet these new cards will contain rfid already. Then when that does fail, yes then they go internally - as in our bodies. my .02 anyway. We've already been trained pretty well that they are great for our pets, eh?

[Moon]

I bet these new cards will contain rfid already. Then when that does fail, yes then they go internally - as in our bodies. my .02 anyway. We've already been trained pretty well that they are great for our pets, eh?

I will chip my dogs and cats, but not my body (or my kids). No way they would ever enforce this.

[Randyrrr]

I bet these new cards will contain rfid already. Then when that does fail, yes then they go internally - as in our bodies. my .02 anyway. We've already been trained pretty well that they are great for our pets, eh?

I will chip my dogs and cats, but not my body (or my kids). No way they would ever enforce this.

It will be sold to you as something you will need; like , with this you no longer have to carry a license, credit cards, money, medical information, also it can be used with satellite tracking (keep your children safe), etc. It will sound so good people will be lined up to get it done.
Or they will scare you into thinking it is the best for the country and the way to find terrorist. (Terrorist do not have the chip), help us find them by getting yours today, so no one thinks you are a terrorist.
Idiots hand over their rights when they are afraid. Tested and proven to work every time...
Maybe both....

This country is going to $hit, worse and worse every year.

[upperworld]

Not that i am excited about a government ID or getting "chipped" as they say, but tell me what is the huge downside to it? What is the end result of this conspiracy? This chip isn't going to control your thoughts, you'll still be whomever you want to be under the control of nobody else but yourself. It's just another rule you have to play along with, like the speed limit. Ok so big brother can tell where i am at all times, and potentially who i am with...but what does that matter? I'm not important enough for them to waste billions of our tax dollars to follow. If you aren't a criminal or terrorist secretly scheming to take down the government with other like minded bad apples why would the government being able to know where you are scare you? They can pretty much already figure that out anyway if they really wanted to.

Now from a civil liberties standpoint i do agree that you are giving up some sort of freedom if you are FORCED to have a medical procedure done to remain a legal citizen. So in principle it is a bit scary, but in reality it is more benign (to me atleast) than some will have you believe. In addition, this isn't even anything that is happening at the moment...we are talking about ID cards right now...only speculating about ID chips. Go ahead, call me naive.

[ilacewords]

No I won't say it's naivete but it's just their first steps. I don't think they sound too extreme either and they aren't meant to. They are supposed to be eased into. But with stories coming out of televisions being able to emit frequencies to influence thoughts and then you consider all the advancements of nanotechnology, these chips that are small and implanted could have numerous uses a la Sirhan Sirhan even you could then speculate. The chips by themselves aren't really was scares me, it's the implications. And Sirhan Sirhan is scary and definitely makes use of someone that considered himself to be just a nobody living in their world.

[Randyrrr]

Not that i am excited about a government ID or getting "chipped" as they say, but tell me what is the huge downside to it? What is the end result of this conspiracy? This chip isn't going to control your thoughts, you'll still be whomever you want to be under the control of nobody else but yourself. It's just another rule you have to play along with, like the speed limit. Ok so big brother can tell where i am at all times, and potentially who i am with...but what does that matter? I'm not important enough for them to waste billions of our tax dollars to follow. If you aren't a criminal or terrorist secretly scheming to take down the government with other like minded bad apples why would the government being able to know where you are scare you? They can pretty much already figure that out anyway if they really wanted to.

Now from a civil liberties standpoint i do agree that you are giving up some sort of freedom if you are FORCED to have a medical procedure done to remain a legal citizen. So in principle it is a bit scary, but in reality it is more benign (to me atleast) than some will have you believe. In addition, this isn't even anything that is happening at the moment...we are talking about ID cards right now...only speculating about ID chips. Go ahead, call me naive.

The biggest downside is the government being able to follow your every move, It's called privacy.
Dame, the cameras are bad enough. I wanted them gone as soon as they were installed.
You are the kind of people they target, I did it, why not the rest.
Remember this one; Tapping phones and listening to people in their houses in Germany and now here in the U,S,A..
I guess you would say, you have nothing to worry about if you are not doing anything wrong!!!!!!!!
Why should you carry ID cards, you have done nothing wrong.
Remember this one; Your papers, Now!
Yes; you are Naive, very naive.
May I ask how old you are?

Come on Wake up people............

[Moon]

They can polish this turd all they want to, but I will never buy into this. I can see some buying into the fear of pedophilia and getting their children chipped, then the elderly chipped. They could then use scare tactics like getting lost for the rest of the population.

But it will never work for me.

Unfortunately, I do see most falling for this.

[ilacewords]

Good Max! I'm glad you as well as many others on this forum and around us are 'in the know'. I agree, they will give it to us to protect us. What scares me is all the elderly people that get lost. Nowadays there are just as many Amber Alerts for them as there are children. So I think your idea of them selling it to us so we aren't 'lost' will be an easy idea for us to swallow.

[Ace Rimmer]

They can polish this turd all they want to, but I will never buy into this. I can see some buying into the fear of pedophilia and getting their children chipped, then the elderly chipped. They could then use scare tactics like getting lost for the rest of the population.

But it will never work for me.

Unfortunately, I do see most falling for this.

This old dame isn't falling for it either.

[Moon]

I did notice that all the Tea Party groups who supposedly love freedom and liberty were all for the "papers please" law in Arizona. That is because it was not directed toward them. The next law will be toward them and they will have no one else to turn to. (I am opening up a can of worms on this one here.)

I am a proud civil libertarian here when it comes to my privacy. That means I don't want the government knowing about my medical or other personal business or telling me what to do with my body.

But the PTB are very smart about this and know how to go after certain groups while appeasing others first.

[upperworld]

The biggest downside is the government being able to follow your every move, It's called privacy.
Dame, the cameras are bad enough. I wanted them gone as soon as they were installed.
You are the kind of people they target, I did it, why not the rest.
Remember this one; Tapping phones and listening to people in their houses in Germany and now here in the U,S,A..
I guess you would say, you have nothing to worry about if you are not doing anything wrong!!!!!!!!
Why should you carry ID cards, you have done nothing wrong.
Remember this one; Your papers, Now!
Yes; you are Naive, very naive.
May I ask how old you are?

Come on Wake up people............

Who cares if they know where i am, in fact i'm willing to bet they could find me right now if they wanted to. I'm a legal US resident and i pay taxes. Let's pretend i canceled my cell plan right now, they could still look up my social security number, find my place of employment from my tax records and be here with a limo in 15 minutes. So being aware of where i am is nothing new. Why should i carry ID's if i've done nothing wrong? A driver's license is an ID, an American Red Cross ID med tag is an ID. What if we could combine the two of them to contain all the same information on one standardized card...that's what this is. I'm not disagreeing that it is disconcerting that we have no privacy. My point is we have no privacy now as it is, and if you aren't doing anything wrong carrying an ID card isn't going to change anything.

If they want to force people into getting the ID card they will have to also combine it with a passport. Therefore if you plan on doing any traveling you'll HAVE to have one. Let me just clarify my point here, standing up and fighting for civil liberties is very noble. Does pushing a government ID card on everyone infringe on those liberties a bit...probably. However where the disconnect lies is that i do not feel this plan is being implemented to control the population. It will be business as usual for most citizens. This is likely all about illegal immigration. That's been the hot button topic on the domestic front for this administration. And remember here we are still talking about an ID card, not a mind control cpu being implanted into our brains. Many of you think this is the first step towards something like that, i don't.

[Mom4truth]

First this, then what? Isn't it bad enough that we are all treated like criminals when we attempt to board an aircraft?

And, let's face it, keep us SAFE is big business. (ok, I am getting subversive again) LOL.

[Randyrrr]

see what I mean

[Theory]

I agree with upperworld. If the government says that our bank accounts and what not will have to be on these cards then yeah I would be fighting against it. From what I understand all it is, is basic information that they already have or can get if they wanted, if they cared so much about tracking you then they probably already are. If they are doing this because of illegal immigration, they are wasting their time, because eventually they will figure out how to get out of it or in it, plus this may not even pass, because Obama is all for illegals, thats if illegals are the reason for these cards. So who knows maybe it is the end of our freedom...wait....what freedom do we have left? and what freedom are you thinking they are going to take? We don't have that much left of freedom of speech, we don't have privacy, 99 percent of the time we can't decide things for ourselves, our hard earn money already goes to them, ect.(list could go on and on) Actually, if you really think about it, when have we ever been truely free? Before the U.S government it was king, queens, and religious leaders, we have always been controlled, it seems that's one thing that will never change.

[Moon]

I think they use the illegal immigration problem to pass these draconian laws. They either want us to become a jail by building a huge fence around the country which the property owners are usually against.

It is interesting they got elected claiming they were all for individual freedoms and against big government, but they have been passing the most intrusive laws ever. The only ones who get a free pass are the powerful corporations and the families who own them.

BTW, most of royalty's and nobility's descendants own the companies or are in high government offices. So the families in power have not changed either.

[Theory]

BTW, most of royalty's and nobility's descendants own the companies or are in high government offices. So the families in power have not changed either.

Hey, I'm a descendant of several royal lines, and I have nothing to show for it...so where's my piece of the stinking pie!! I guess I should be thankful that my lines didn't keep the greedy, dictating habits;)

[angeloneastralseed]

The worst part about it all and the part that makes me sick to my stomach, is the fact that the majority of the country votes these people into office. Brainwashed, and I think the whole loyalty to a party is a bunch of bull **** that has gone too far. Someone will sit there, look at what their party is doing, knowing it is totally wrong, and STILL support them!

This I.D. card, then microchips (the sign of the beast).......and those who will refuse the sign will be killed. If that isn't an incentive for many, I don't know what is.

[Randyrrr]

The worst part about it all and the part that makes me sick to my stomach, is the fact that the majority of the country votes these people into office. Brainwashed, and I think the whole loyalty to a party is a bunch of bull **** that has gone too far. Someone will sit there, look at what their party is doing, knowing it is totally wrong, and STILL support them!

This I.D. card, then microchips (the sign of the beast).......and those who will refuse the sign will be killed. If that isn't an incentive for many, I don't know what is.

what he said
I have said before I have nothing in common with any of those people and 80 percent of the population doesn't either.
Why vote for someone that cares nothing about you!
I think it is time for all the politicians to take a pay cut like they want everyone else to
This is not how it is suppose to be
As long as most have their 2 cars and vacation every year, they don't care what goes on.
There time is comming also, but it will be to late, if not already

[Moon]

As we write this stuff in the forum, the exact same Congress that is there to help protect us is now trying to cut millions of dollars from the National Weather Service and other areas like volcanic and seismic activity watch centers. I guess those living near the Cascades don't have to worry about volcanoes anymore. And tornadoes only hit trailer parks so who cares.

And yet these same people all voted against eliminating the tax payer subsidy given to big oil even though BP made over $5 billion net profit even after making that $20 billion payment.

[angeloneastralseed]

Amen, Max! You are right on the bulls eye!

[Moon]

It is interesting to note that many state houses have already enacted some of the toughest voter ID laws yet to combat "voter fraud". Student IDs and other types will not be allowed under these draconian measures along with tougher voter registration laws. The exception to these laws are people who have a concealed weapons permit.

This is one way to knock down the opposing party with little resistance from the members who would normally be against more government regulation.

[cRush]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act

It was passed as a rider, on a militant bill. I wasn't familiar with this term "rider", though the word alone gives clue to its connotations. I Wikipedia'd it, and holy crap: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rider_(politics)

If that article doesn't outline how broken our legislative government truly is, then I don't know what does...

Unsurprisingly, Europe doesn't support rider bills.