Age of The Great Pyramid ....Precisly

[Bob137]

You are correct, Hearte is really good at trying t turn things around, and input his own belief's into it, and yet he says that is what we do. He is just another propagandist wh is trying to prove something he has no proof of! I got tired of his so called expert opinion, when in all actuality he is not an expert at all, just theorizing along with the other mainstream, who say we cannot put two and two together, but they can in their own way, so they think they are right, and we are wrong on all accounts, from one misstep, but it seems to be okay if they misstep. It is the way of their thinking. I prefer logic which it is illogical for the great pyramid to have been built by Khufu when he as stated cleared away the sands, etc... Let alone the poorly built pyramids that were built after the larger pyramids. Which hearte also will refute, because Haw Ass says they were built prior to, which isn't logical.

[Hearte]

"In the Stele, Khufu himself tells of his discoveries made while clearing away the sands" - It is a record of his statements.

No most kings/pharaohs/presidents/czars, etc. aren't the ones actually writing it down and never have been. That's just silly to use that as your argument.

"People claim" it as your words say that it's the Temple of Isis - also as in Khufu himself claimed it to be such. He was directly referring to clearing away the GP and the Sphinx. Seems you are the one taking people's opinion with your use of words like 'people claim' which are littered in your posts that you base to be true. And it wasn't just saying 'experts' it says 'Maspero and other experts'...as I'm figuring it didn't need to list all the people who understand hard evidence.
People claimed at one time the world was also flat.

I will rely on the words of the pharoah and not what people say. If he says he was the restorer of the pyramid and not its builder, why is it not true?

"Rely on the words of the Pharoah?"

Are you aware that Pharoah is a Hebrew word?

You insult the very King you claim to be relying on.

Look, like you, I wouldn't post something unless I thought it was true. The difference here is, I don't just "think" it, I know it.

Have you tried to find a translation of the stela? Here:

Long live The King of Upper and Lower Egypt, Khufu, given life

He found the house of Isis, Mistress of the Pyramid, by the side of the hollow of Hwran (EDIT:The Sphinx)

and he built his pyramid beside the temple of this goddess and he built a pyramid for the King's daughter Henutsen beside this temple.

The place of Hwran Horemakhet (EDIT: Again, The Sphinx) is on the South side of the House of Isis, Mistress of the pyramid

He restored the statue, all covered in painting, of the guardian of the atmosphere, who guides the winds with his gaze.

He replaced the back part of the Nemes head-dress, which was missing with gilded stone

The figure of this god, cut in stone, is solid and will last to eternity, keeping its face looking always to the East '(10).

My emphasis
Source: http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/egyptsphinx.htm

Can you now agree that this is not Khufu telling a tale? Did you read the part about how Khufu "built his pyramid" next to his refurbished Isis temple?

This stela, if it means anything at all and IF it is telling a story that is factual, could be considered evidence that the Sphinx was there before Khufu. However, the stela itself indicates that Khufu built the G.P.

Of course it does. There's no question that he did. Also, Egyptians always said Khufu built it and the stela was obviously carved by an Egyptian, right?

It's not exactly hard to look into the background of claims like this. The real question in my mind is - why didn't you?

Harte



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You are correct, Hearte is really good at trying t turn things around, and input his own belief's into it, and yet he says that is what we do. He is just another propagandist wh is trying to prove something he has no proof of!

I expect a retration of this mindless statement now that you've seen what the stela actually says, Bob. That is, assuming you even bothered to read it.

I wonder. Does anybody else, other than myself, find it amusing that posters go on and on about a written ancient document, what it says, what it means, and the implications thereof, all along never having even bothered to read the document that the presume to know all about?

I got tired of his so called expert opinion, when in all actuality he is not an expert at all,

Well, you got that one right anyway. I'm not an expert and never claimed to be. I'm just somebody who has bothered to take the time to look into a subject prior to pontificating on it. Unlike you.

just theorizing along with the other mainstream, who say we cannot put two and two together,

This statement reveals your inferiority complex Bob. Nobody has ever said "Bob can't put two and two together.

I will say this about you, though. You can put two and two together, you can even get four from that. What you apparently can't do (or, at least, have refused to do right here on this board) is examine what your adding together to make sure that it is actually two twos.

Hearte

[ilacewords]

You are too funny Hearte. Yes, he built a pyramid and was dedicated to Henutsen, his wife. You are confusing this with the GP. It sits alongside the GP (and also the Sphinx - Temple of Isis, as you like to call it.) and is in ruins, completely unlike the GP that he was trying to replicate but obviously could not. He must have forgot in his old age or something how to build one that would last.

Also:

I wonder. Does anybody else, other than myself, find it amusing that posters go on and on about a written ancient document, what it says, what it means, and the implications thereof, all along never having even bothered to read the document that the presume to know all about?
Hearte

You don't even read this forums rules about double posting, so what exactly do you read?

[Vance]

Come on ilace, the stele clearly states Khufu built a pyramid for himself and then another for Henutsen.

[Hearte]

Come on ilace, the stele clearly states Khufu built a pyramid for himself and then another for Henutsen.

Thank you Vance.

I thought maybe it was just me.

Ilace, were I you, I'd try to make sure I'd read something before claiming someone else didn't.

You're right about the double post though. Score one for you! Woo Hoo!

Time to celebrate this rarity!!

Harte

[ilacewords]

Come on ilace, the stele clearly states Khufu built a pyramid for himself and then another for Henutsen.

geez, there are three eroding ones next to the grand ones actually if you read up on it, not just two. only one was built for Henutsen. I was just addressing the fact that they are different than the GP not how many there are.....but seems you guys like to nit pick on points that aren't even relative to the topic

Come on ilace, the stele clearly states Khufu built a pyramid for himself and then another for Henutsen.

Thank you Vance.

I thought maybe it was just me.

Ilace, were I you, I'd try to make sure I'd read something before claiming someone else didn't.

You're right about the double post though. Score one for you! Woo Hoo!

Time to celebrate this rarity!!

Harte

Great points for you Hearte! Classy as ever which is why no one around here takes you seriously.
Can I get a moderator around here? Why are you so childish when you lose? We are not talking about how many pyramids Khufu fails at....then again, it's never like you to stay on topic.

[Vance]

geez, there are three eroding ones next to the grand ones actually if you read up on it, not just two. only one was built for Henutsen. I was just addressing the fact that they are different than the GP not how many there are.....but seems you guys like to nit pick on points that aren't even relative to the topic

I think there are six in total, actually, and they are all attributed to the queens. So you are saying that one of these small pyramids is Khufu's, and not for the queens? Do you have any evidence for this?

And you'd take Hearte seriously if you knew the importance of it, however it seems that you want to live in a world where everyone agrees with you. Or are you afraid of him, or something...?

[Hearte]

Great points for you Hearte! Classy as ever which is why no one around here takes you seriously.
Can I get a moderator around here? Why are you so childish when you lose? We are not talking about how many pyramids Khufu fails at....then again, it's never like you to stay on topic.

"Lose?"
Please. It was you that brought up the inventory stela.

Sorry I had to quote it for you so that you could see what it says.
To reiterate:

He found the house of Isis, Mistress of the Pyramid, by the side of the hollow of Hwran
and he built his pyramid beside the temple of this goddess and he built a pyramid for the King's daughter Henutsen beside this temple.

Not my fault that you so enjoy talking out of the opposite end of your digestive tract.

In the future, you can continue to expect me to point out egregious errors like yours repeatedly here. It's not personal. It's so that people reading here will not fall for fringe idiocy.

There is a cure for ignorance, you know.

Hearte

[ilacewords]

geez, there are three eroding ones next to the grand ones actually if you read up on it, not just two. only one was built for Henutsen. I was just addressing the fact that they are different than the GP not how many there are.....but seems you guys like to nit pick on points that aren't even relative to the topic

I think there are six in total, actually, and they are all attributed to the queens. So you are saying that one of these small pyramids is Khufu's, and not for the queens? Do you have any evidence for this?

And you'd take Hearte seriously if you knew the importance of it, however it seems that you want to live in a world where everyone agrees with you. Or are you afraid of him, or something...?

Are you reading what I'm typing that you quoted? I said there are three eroding ones next to the grand ones (3) so can we all count to 6? Probably so that should not be your point. The point in this topic if you go back and READ the forum is not how many there are!!

I laugh at your suggestion that I don't take this seriously when I have clearly presented evidence that disproves what Hearte is saying that you have obviously not read as well. If you had, you and Hearte both would not be concerned with the three eroding pyramids next to the three larger ones that Khufu tried to emulate but failed at miserably. That is the topic here. How old are the three pyramids that I presented evidence of Khufu restoring, not building. So can you stay on topic or is this thread now hijacked for a math lesson that is obviously not even needed again had you read this forum's postings in their entirety.

[Bob137]

I have noticed that some pick and choose what they want and disregard what others state as here say. It is no different than Bible thumpers that pick and choose certain parts of the Bible to get their point across, instead of reading the entire book, and then coming to a conclusion. If all AI ever read was of mainstream science, that is all I would ever know, and would not consider anything else. I used to think like that when I was a teenager, but once I found out that not all that was written was true, I started considering other points of views, and fact findings. Whether they were accepted r not, is not the point. It is what is, not what one perceives to be.

We decide which is right, and which is an illusion. "Moody Blues"

[ilacewords]

I have noticed that some pick and choose what they want and disregard what others state as here say. It is no different than Bible thumpers that pick and choose certain parts of the Bible to get their point across, instead of reading the entire book, and then coming to a conclusion. If all AI ever read was of mainstream science, that is all I would ever know, and would not consider anything else. I used to think like that when I was a teenager, but once I found out that not all that was written was true, I started considering other points of views, and fact findings. Whether they were accepted r not, is not the point. It is what is, not what one perceives to be.

We decide which is right, and which is an illusion. "Moody Blues"

Well said. They just ignore what you say and the evidence in front on him as he's done in other threads. Just ignores direct questions when he reaches a dead end of his spin zone. I'm done with this thread and Hawass' poodle.

[Pons Asinorum]

"Can I get a moderator around here?"

Geez, we're gone for like two minutes

Okay, everyone knows the drill, all bystanders duck:


1) Double posting was covered, thank you ilacewords.

2) Giving insults or calling a fellow member a propagandists constitutes rude behavior and name-calling, respectively. This is against forum rules.

Not my fault that you so enjoy talking out of the opposite end of your digestive tract

He is just another propagandist wh is trying to prove something he has no proof of!

Bob, if you beleive such a charge is legitimate, please PM myself or any moderator with the accusation and evidence in quotes.

Please maintain a degree of common courtesy, as we are all fellow members.

3) If possible, please treat each fellow member with respect and please give them the benefit-of-the-doubt regarding their sincerity of belief, level of intelligence, and mental capability.

If that is not possible, then at a minimum, please render common courtesy and observe forum rules.

Don't make me have to pull over!

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Actually, ilacewords -- you are quite passionate and intelligent when presenting your arguments. It is my hope that you will continue to debate those topics you find of interest. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a double post to fix

[Ace Rimmer]

3) and not to mention this little gem....

Not my fault that you so enjoy talking out of the opposite end of your digestive tract

[Pons Asinorum]

Not my fault that you so enjoy talking out of the opposite end of your digestive tract

Oh, I missed that -- not an intelligent statement at all, my previous comment stands amended. Thank you Metaluna.

[Randyrrr]

Who cares can't we just agree to disagree , it's there. The real question is why, what was it used for?

Check this one out, long read but interesting
http://sonic.net/bernard/pyramid.html

[Bob137]

I apologize for the remark, and will not let it happen again! I have read other information refuting said Khufu inscription opposite of what has been stated. So I should have just stated that and not insinuated anything.

[Vance]

Here is an excerpt from an interview with Hawass talking about the graffiti.

NOVA: But what about the incriptions in the relieving chambers in Khufu and the claim that they were not written in the time of Khufu?

HAWASS: They say that these inscriptions have been written by people who entered inside. And if you go and see them they are typical graffiti that can be seen around every pyramid in Egypt, because the workmen around the pyramid left this. I would like those people who talked about this to come with me. And I will take them personally to the rooms. First of all they say that only inscribed is the second room—it's not true. All the five relieving chambers are inscribed. Number two, there are some inscriptions there that cannot be written by anyone except the workmen who put them there. You cannot go and reach there. It has to be the man who put the block above the other one to do that. I think that maybe the only few Egyptologists, the only two Egyptologists in the world that will really have an open mind, it's me and Mark Lehner, because we believe the public has the right for us to tell them the truth. We are really working excavating around the pyramids to tell the world the truth.

Hey, at least he invites people to come and see, haha.

It also talks of Herodotus and his sources and how mainstream Egyptologists now think some of his figures are wrong, because his source was so long after the construction - it's possible the source was wrong on other things, too.

Interview: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/pyramid/ex ... lders.html

[Moon]

Who cares, it's there. The real question is why, what was it ued for?

That is the $64,000 question.

[Randyrrr]

Check this out

King’s chamber and DNA

Sonic experiments performed in the King’s chamber showed that the King’s chamber has a series of acoustic resonance frequencies that correspond with perfect musical notes! The coffer inside the King’s chamber for instance has a perfect resonance frequency of 440 Hz, the ground note A, the frequency of a tuning fork.

Four other resonance frequencies were found in the King’s chamber. These correspond with the musical notes F#, A, C# and D#. These notes are the notes of the F sharp melodic minor scale (F#). Indian shamans tuned their ceremonial flutes to F sharp because they believed that it is a frequency that is attuned to mother Earth.

Now we may remember from the Cymatics studies that the Platonic solids emerge from the perfect sound frequencies of the diatonic musical scale. So it would be no surprise if pure tonal frequencies were found in the Earth grid frequencies.

The amazing thing is that the resonance frequencies of the King’s chamber correspond with the resonance frequencies that were found in the 4 nucleotides of the DNA molecule. This amazing structure has only 4 basic building blocks, the DNA bases adenine (A), cytonsine (C), guanine (G) and thymine (T). Two out of four of these nucleotides can be joined to form a base pair and these base pairs are sequenced to a DNA string. The complete DNA is a spiralling helix of three billion of such base pairs.

Professor of Chemistry and Biochemistry David W. Deamer of the University of California, Santa Cruz measured with infrared light the resonance frequencies of all the 4 bases of DNA. Each base resonated to an average of 15 frequencies, 60 frequencies in total. In 1988 Susan Alexjander, holding a Masters degree in Music Composition and Theory and presently teaching at university level at several universities in California, contacted David W. Deamer with a simple question; ‘can we hear frequencies in the body’. As a response, David Deamer provided her with the data from his research on DNA frequencies.

From here Susan Alexjander started her own research to find out if these resonance frequencies from the DNA bases were completely random or contained some hitherto undiscovered relationship, such as the ratio’s defined in music. The first thing that came to mind was to use a technique to make these high electromagnetic frequencies audible. She used a technique that is often used in music and transposed the higher octave frequencies of light down to the octave of sound. (Remember from our chapter about sacred geometry that the colours of the rainbow are the 7 keys in the diatonic scale transposed to the 48th octave)

The next thing Susan did was she fed the 60 transposed DNA frequencies into a Yamaha DX7 programmable synthesizer. The pitches were not perfect musical notes, however after a few weeks of ‘tuning’ she found that the frequencies were centered around 4 pure musical notes. The notes that she found, you guessed it, are the same resonance frequencies of the King’s chamber in the Great Pyramid!

Susan Alexjander recorded her DNA music played on the DX7 synthesizer on a CD titled ‘Sequencia’. People that listened to the CD reported feelings of connectedness and familiarity.
(10)

Now this discovery lends much credit to the claims made by Edgar Cayce and others that the Great Pyramid was used for healing. It seems no coincidence that the resonance frequencies that were used in the King’s chamber correspond with the resonance frequencies of the DNA bases.



It has been said that people from Atlantis use sound to heal people ex; injuries

Sorry, watching South Park while typing.

[Bob137]

I listened to all her music, I did not have any effect from it, but I was wondering if it would be better utilized with shamanic drumming and flute playing more, such as what would have been utilized thousands for years ago!

[Dane]

I have so much catching up to do on my thread!

[Moon]

Randyrrr, could you give a link (source) to your text on DNA and the Great Pyramid? That would be very helpful.

[Asfiqur]

I asked some questions to Hearte. In the thread 'Are the Khufu pyramid reliving chamber inscriptions FAKE ?'. He didn't bother to answer them. Nice attitude.

[Randyrrr]

Randyrrr, could you give a link (source) to your text on DNA and the Great Pyramid? That would be very helpful.

Here you are, near the bottom of the page.

http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/SODA_chapter8.html

I listened to all her music, I did not have any effect from it, but I was wondering if it would be better utilized with shamanic drumming and flute playing more, such as what would have been utilized thousands for years ago!

Have you ever noticed how some music puts you into a real good mood, some you can not stand to listen to, some that just make you moody?

I am going to do some searching and see what comes up.

[Hearte]

I asked some questions to Hearte. In the thread 'Are the Khufu pyramid reliving chamber inscriptions FAKE ?'. He didn't bother to answer them. Nice attitude.

Sorry about that but why am I your answer man?

I've responded there now.

Hearte

[ilacewords]

I asked some questions to Hearte. In the thread 'Are the Khufu pyramid reliving chamber inscriptions FAKE ?'. He didn't bother to answer them. Nice attitude.

Sorry about that but why am I your answer man?

I've responded there now.

Hearte

Sorry about that but why am I your agenda man? (fixed that for you)

Hearte clearly has an agenda here and I would only look to him for answers of such which is obvious to anyone who reads his posts that he cannot make one without condescending or name calling when his evidence gets turned upsidedown.

[Hearte]

I asked some questions to Hearte. In the thread 'Are the Khufu pyramid reliving chamber inscriptions FAKE ?'. He didn't bother to answer them. Nice attitude.

Sorry about that but why am I your answer man?

I've responded there now.

Hearte

Sorry about that but why am I your agenda man? (fixed that for you)

Pardon me?

Asifur was the one that asked me the questions and then complained and tried to make some claim about me when they weren't immediately answered.

Hearte clearly has an agenda here and I would only look to him for answers of such which is obvious to anyone who reads his posts that he cannot make one without condescending or name calling when his evidence gets turned upsidedown.

That last part might be true, except we can't tell since none of my evidence has been "turned upside down yet."

BTW, what is an "answer of such...?"

Hearte

[ilacewords]

Well you've also ignored evidence posted by myself in other threads such as the one you claimed that the golden flyer was a flying fish. I presented evidence that would make your claim an impossibility but you ignored that. Also when you presented a lotus tuber as being something that is supposed to be feet long. These are just my experiences with you and not others that I've been witness to you ignoring as well. He was just the first one to point it out. I am agreeing with him.

Therefore based on this and the evidence presented here in this thread that you also don't want to consider, my only conclusion for you is that you have your own agenda in pushing what you think is evidence based on your spin of such evidence.

[Hearte]

Well you've also ignored evidence posted by myself in other threads such as the one you claimed that the golden flyer was a flying fish. I presented evidence that would make your claim an impossibility but you ignored that.

Do you wonder why I ignore your posts, when you mischaracterize them so?

You certainly never made anything I said at all, on this board or elsewhere, an "impossiblility."

Maybe in your own mind.

Also when you presented a lotus tuber as being something that is supposed to be feet long.

Quite the literalist then, aren't you? I mean, do you believe Abraham Lincoln's face was actually large enough to take up part of a mountain face as well?

These are just my experiences with you and not others that I've been witness to you ignoring as well. He was just the first one to point it out. I am agreeing with him.

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Do I owe you answers here?

I never signed a contract.

Therefore based on this and the evidence presented here in this thread that you also don't want to consider, my only conclusion for you is that you have your own agenda in pushing what you think is evidence based on your spin of such evidence.

I've given all my sources. Where are yours? Some dude in his mother's basement, like whoever wrote that junk about the inventory stela (without even reading it?)

Everyone has an agenda. Yours is trying to prevent facts from being cited in any investigation into the idea of ancient alien intervention.

Mine is trying to present those facts.

Hearte

[ilacewords]

The hilarity ensues.....

Your posts make it completely obvious to anyone reading your agenda. I've only just pointed it out as others have alluded...

[Vance]

[Theory]

Hey now that Hawass is gone, maybe someone can get to the pyramids and find out the truth....

btw..in my opinion, its cool and all to debate each others theories, but it gets a bit childish when you start calling names and such. None of you have been to the pyramids and done tests to support your theories right? So, how can one say another person's theory is wrong? Debate not hate.

[Hearte]

Hey now that Hawass is gone, maybe someone can get to the pyramids and find out the truth....

btw..in my opinion, its cool and all to debate each others theories, but it gets a bit childish when you start calling names and such. None of you have been to the pyramids and done tests to support your theories right? So, how can one say another person's theory is wrong? Debate not hate.

Your point is well taken.

However, all theories are not equal.

What about the theory that there are no pyramids at all?

I think we can dismiss that one, as well as a large number of other ones that are based on blatantly false ideas.

Harte

[ilacewords]

Here's lot on the age of the pyramids, the restoration of them, the frequencies of the harmonics as well as why they cannot fit into current Egyptian dating chronology by a litany of PhDs and people who have actually researched this for years. This is part 1 of 5. Since I can only post two urls, I have listed the first and the hulu channel for the remainder. Those who would like to view can do so as well as people who like to ignore and roll eyes can do so but it doesn't change anything or offer anything constructive.
Episode 1 of 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFLIX3fEeE4&sns=em

channel:
http://www.hulu.com/the-pyramid-code

[upperworld]

Hey now that Hawass is gone, maybe someone can get to the pyramids and find out the truth....

btw..in my opinion, its cool and all to debate each others theories, but it gets a bit childish when you start calling names and such. None of you have been to the pyramids and done tests to support your theories right? So, how can one say another person's theory is wrong? Debate not hate.

Thanks Theory. None of the mods (myself included) enjoy butting in and telling you guys to go sit in the corner. Keep the debate on topic and respond to each other's arguments with your own counter argument. I would say name calling will not be tolerated, or post a link to the rules page but this has been done before and the behavior has continued. We have been more tolerant than we should be in regards to members sniping at one another because at the core the discussions have been very good. This is not a practice we will continue if the sniping does not cease.