Hearte wrote:Before the first site of naturally-occuring nuclear fission was ever discovered, the existence of such sites was predicted by nuclear scientists.
I believe it was back in the early to mid 1950's when this was predicted.
Steele Faucet wrote:I'm just a little skeptical that nature made something so perfect under a very specific set of circumstances. I can understand it happening once, maybe twice. But when it happens 16 times in a region...
Jeff Sheets wrote:Carrying that out to Mars, the Book of Enki spends a chapter or two on the exile of gods to Mars. This was a scientific expedition that was left to their own devices. Did they fight a war? Was it part of the war in the heavens? One thing to note: The Oklo reactions were low level nuclear chain-reactions, while the Mars reaction was sudden enough to cause an exposion that "shows a big red spot that looks like a debris pattern. On the opposite side of the planet there is another similar red spot." This isn't natural...
Unless someone is mistaken, scientists are claiming that nature designed and built a nuclear bomb by chance. And that it obliterated part of Mars and sent shards in all directions. Alternatively, this is evidence for not only the intelligient creation of a nuclear bomb that was set off, but also that someone sentient was at Mars at the time to do it. All we need to prove it beyond a doubt is to find the habitation on Mars where they lived. The late Zechariah Sitchin translated Assyrian tablets of cuneoform to write the Stairway to Heaven series of books that describe the Annunaki and their dealings with mankind. The ancient books of the Ramayana and Mahabharata describe terrible weapons that killed all life. Victims of the attack would wash at the streams and lose hair and fingernails. The weapons were hurled from Vimanas, the flying chariots of the gods.
Hearte wrote:A lack of basic understanding in science can lead one to any number of false speculations.
Hearte wrote:A lack of basic understanding in science can lead one to any number of false speculations.
Steele Faucet wrote:He goes on to give a hypothesis, but admits that there are things he does not understand.
Scientific American, The Workings of an Ancient Nuclear Reactor, 01/26/09, by Alex P. Meshik who wrote:Our understanding of the anomalous composition of the xenon came only after we thought harder about how this gas was born. None of the xenon isotopes we measured were the direct result of uranium fission. Rather they were the products of the decay of radioactive isotopes of iodine, which in turn were formed from radioactive tellurium and so forth, according to a well-known sequence of nuclear reactions that gives rise to stable xenon.
Our key insight was the realization that different xenon isotopes in our Oklo sample were created at different times— following a schedule that depended on the half-lives of their iodine parents and tellurium grandparents. The longer a particular radioactive precursor lives, the longer xenon formation from it is held off. For example, production of xenon 136 began at Oklo only about a minute after the onset of self-sustained fission. An hour later the next lighter stable isotope, xenon 134, appeared. Then, some days after the start of fission, xenon 132 and 131 came on the scene. Finally, after millions of years, and well after the nuclear chain reactions terminated, xenon 129 formed.
Scientific American, The Workings of an Ancient Nuclear Reactor, 01/26/09, by Alex P. Meshik who wrote:This picture of how the Oklo reactors probably worked highlights two important points: very likely they pulsed on and off in some fashion, and large quantities of water must have been moving through these rocks—enough to wash away some of the xenon precursors, tellurium and iodine, which are water-soluble. The presence of water also helps to explain why most of the xenon now resides in grains of aluminum phosphate rather than in the uranium rich minerals where fission first created these radioactive precursors. The xenon did not simply migrate from one set of preexisting minerals to another—it is unlikely that aluminum phosphate minerals were present before the Oklo reactors began operating. Instead those grains of aluminum phosphate probably formed in place through the action of the nuclear-heated water, once it had cooled to about 300 degrees Celsius.
It is not entirely obvious what forces kept this xenon inside the aluminum phosphate minerals for almost half the planet’s lifetime. In particular, why was the xenon generated during a given operational pulse not driven off during the next one? Presumably it became imprisoned in the cagelike structure of the aluminum phosphate minerals, which were able to hold on to the xenon gas created within them, even at high temperatures. The details remain fuzzy, but whatever the final answers are, one thing is clear: the capacity of aluminum phosphate for capturing xenon is truly amazing.
Steele Faucet wrote:Hearte wrote:A lack of basic understanding in science can lead one to any number of false speculations.
What does that mean? I have my doctorate in a scientific field. I've taken classes where we worked with live radiation in a lab. I was pointing out things that I thought were very unusual. Just because someone predicts that an event is possible, and then it is found that the event occurred, doesn't mean that it automatically happened as was predicted.
And as far as dropping bombs on Mars, I believe Jeff stated something along the lines of someone was getting impatient and trying to knock out the planet themselves. I was playing off that.
All I was trying to do was open a topic up for discussion. I thought it was very unusual and didn't think very many people knew about it. In the links I had along with it, it talked about how these conditions were predicted, but it also talked about how we are seeing things out of there in elements that we can't explain. If you're not going to read what I post, then slam what I post, then basically call me an idiot, why?
Steele Faucet wrote:
If you're not going to read what I post, then slam what I post, then basically call me an idiot, why?
Steele Faucet wrote:So let me get this straight...Something so technical and advanced that takes engineers and physicists until the 20th century to design and build occurred in nature as a freak event? And not just once, but 16 times at one location? And the model used by nature is still more advanced than any reactors we use today? COME ON!
Jeff Sheets wrote:Hearte, please stop being such a wet blanket. I don't know why you even post on this forum. You gotta know that we ALL KNOW the reason why the AAT is not mainstream is because it isn't accepted by the ruling scientific class. That because our "evidence" isn't even considered, let alone accepted. As a member of this forum, I am asking you to get a grip and realize what forum this is. If you are so smart, then please share any REAL evidence you may have for the existence of Ancient Astronauts.
Jeff Sheets wrote:Otherwise, I suggest that you should just be a lurker because all you are doing is annoying everyone with pious science snobbery.
Jeff Sheets wrote:It is obvious that both the Mahabharata and the Sumerian tablets existed before we knew of the existence of nuclear reactors. How can they describe something that had never been invented until recently?
Jeff Sheets wrote:Im just saying that the very existence of this has to be weighed. If these reactors are indeed natural, then it is (of course) all speculation on our part.
Jeff Sheets wrote: then who created them? God? Maybe Bill Gates jumped in a time machine and created them and then planted the written info? cause thats what it comes down to in my mind, since science isn't doing such a good job explaining it.
that is total BS, I have actually read those texts many years ago, probably when you were still indiapers, and they do state of flying machines utilizing weapons of mass destruction, and what happens to the people around then! So don't go off the handle and try toI know what fanatics like Childress have claimed about this, but I've read the pertinent portions of the Mahabharata (the whole thing is at Sacred-Texts.com) and they don't say what he claims.
Bob137 wrote:that is total BS, I have actually read those texts many years ago, probably when you were still indiapers, and they do state of flying machines utilizing weapons of mass destruction,I know what fanatics like Childress have claimed about this, but I've read the pertinent portions of the Mahabharata (the whole thing is at Sacred-Texts.com) and they don't say what he claims.
Consider these verses from the ancient Mahabharata*:
...(it was) a single projectile
Charged with all the power of the Universe.
An incandescent column of smoke and flame
As bright as the thousand suns
Rose in all its splendour...
...it was an unknown weapon,
An iron thunderbolt,
A gigantic messenger of death,
Which reduced to ashes
The entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas.
...The corpses were so burned
As to be unrecognisable.
The hair and nails fell out;
Pottery broke without apparent cause,
And the birds turned white.
After a few hours
All foodstuffs were infected...
....to escape from this fire
The soldiers threw themselves in streams
To wash themselves and their equipment.24
* Berlitz, Charles, Mysteries of Forgotten Worlds, Doubleday, New York, 1972.
Hearte wrote:There exists no REAL evidence that I know of. I'm here looking for some. I've yet to see anything here that could even be called evidence.
DivineQueer wrote:To Hearte's defense, I would like to point out that it in fact is very appreciated AND important for the AAT-Research to know when certain pieces of texts and quotes are actually false, so that those pieces of 'info' is not basuned out as truth and in that way makes those repeating the texts to seem like hoaxers, although they aren't. So don't be too hard on him.
That said, I do also consider him being much too stubborn sometimes for no other apparent reason than just to be stubborn, so I also understand those getting frustrated with him.
Regarding the very topic in question, and, in my opinion, AA is not only a NEARLY evident fact but it is also apparent by reading many ancient texts that High-tech ancient wars indeed were fought, so in my opinion, that is not very much of a question.
It is, however, very important to know what is truly genuine ancient material and what is actually a modern and "constructed" material, claimed as genuine.
The AA-topic is indeed a detective-work and that is just one of many things that also makes the topic so exciting.
Jeff Sheets wrote:
There is a difference between pointing out (possible) mistranslations or incorrect conclusions...and authoritatively rubbing everyone's nose in it. This forum is not a scientific paper to be peer-reviewed, nor a court of law that every assertion must be proved or disproved. We are here to discuss our favorite subject. If you want to debunk, do that on some other site. And no, we have not been very hard on him by comparison.
I want everyone to be able to bring up new research, present their ideas, and discuss things without risking personal attacks and negative innuendo. Obviously, some things are not going to turn out true. Thats fine. Other things need detective work. Lets keep the wet blankets to a minimum though. We get enough of that in our personal lives...
As far as inaccuracy of translations...I think the king james bible is probably the most suspect of anything. Good luck getting anybody to agree on what IT says.
Bob137 wrote:In regards to the Mahabarata I had read that a long time before it was ever popularized, and the sources were from India, and Britain. On the Bible thing, I have researched numerous books in regards to the similarities of the Sumerians and the Israelites, and the Egyptians, and the people of India, in regards to their writings, myths, and legends, and normal every day beliefs, and living. I have found that they seem to have come from a centralized belief system and generalities of the so called Gods from the basis of the people of India and the advent of peoples migrating from their to other countries, not the other way around as speculated by historians. This is also something many scholars of India are also concluding and trying to get mainstream science to check into!
A lack of basic understanding in science can lead one to any number of false speculations
The Indians, by the way, have tried several times to get mainstream Science and Media to follow up on other findings through the years, but apparently there is some invisible plug somewhere blocking the outlet, for those findings never seem to reach the larger Medias
Return to Forbidden Archaeology / Alternative History
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests