Where did the White Man come from?

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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby AAPete » Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:53 pm

If by "white" you mean caucasian, it can get a bit tricky, because East Indians, Australian Aborigines, arabic peoples, and many european peoples are all of the causasian subdivision of the human race. I'm sure a lot had to do with adapting to enviroment, as MaxMercury mentioned.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Bob137 » Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:09 pm

If it was simply adapting to the environment, then all peoples that live in the Northern and Southern countries with cold climates and not much sun would be white, all peoples in the equator regions would be black, and the variations would only be in between those areas, which is not the case!
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Pons Asinorum » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:17 pm

Not necessarily Bob. If the genetic mutation affecting the skin color occurred in one tribe (and was subsequently propagated throughout its population), then that does not guarantee the same genetic mutation will occur in a different population. Evolution can easily take different pathways for a given species, especially if the relative populations are small, isolated, and appear at different times in similar environments.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Majeston » Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:04 am

Genetic scientists finally getting up to speed on the Urantia revelation 1934

http://www.ubthenews.com/topics/Eye_Skin_Hair_Color.htm

Urantia Book quotes:
74:0.1 Adam and Eve arrived on Urantia [Earth], from the year A.D. 1934, 37,848 years ago.

76:4.1 Adam and Eve were the founders of the violet race of men . . . Adam and his offspring had blue eyes, and the violet peoples were characterized by fair complexions and light hair color--yellow, red, and brown.

63:4.1 Primitive man—the Andonites—had black eyes and a swarthy complexion, something of a cross between yellow and red.

Eye, Skin, and Hair Color Supporting Links
Select quotes from this article:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/scie ... ation.html

“Originally, we all had brown eyes”, said Prof Hans Eiberg from the University of Copenhagen, who led the team.

Blue eye colour most likely originated from the near east area or northwest part of the Black Sea region, where the great agriculture migration to the northern part of Europe took place in the Neolithic periods about six–10,000 years ago.

“That is my best guess,” he said. “It could be the northern part of Afghanistan.”

The mutation affected a gene called OCA2 and “literally 'turned off' the ability to produce brown eyes”, he says.

OCA2 is involved in the production of melanin, the pigment that gives colour to hair, eyes and skin."



From the Urantia revelation 1934

79:0.1 ASIA is the homeland of the human race. It was on a southern peninsula of this continent that Andon and Fonta were born; in the highlands of what is now Afghanistan, their descendant Badonan founded a primitive center of culture that persisted for over one-half million years. Here at this eastern focus of the human race the Sangik peoples differentiated from the Andonic stock, and Asia was their first home, their first hunting ground, their first battlefield. Southwestern Asia witnessed the successive civilizations of Dalamatians, Nodites, Adamites, and Andites, and from these regions the potentials of modern civilization spread to the world.





Microcephalin haplogroup D research

The gene Microcephalin (MCPH1) regulates brain size. It has evolved under "strong positive selection" in the human evolutionary lineage. This means that, once introduced, the microcephalin gene (and changes to it like that one that occurred 37,000 years ago) spread rapidly, which generally indicates some specific survival advantage or strong preference. Research indicates that positive selection with respect to the Microcephalin gene has occurred throughout the history of evolution leading up to human beings. A new segment of genetic material, haplogroup D, was introduced to the Microcephalin gene in humans from a “single progenitor” “about 37,000” years ago. It has reached 70% of the human population but is in significantly lower percentages in sub-Saharan Africa. There is some indication that it might have originated in the general area of Mesopotamia. Both South and Central Native Americans have haplogroup D in high percentages, but the percentage is a little higher in South America.
http://www.ubthenews.com/topics/Adam_and_Eve.htm

"favored microcephalin allele clocked in at 37,000 years ago (with confidence intervals of 14,000 to 60,000 years)." (editorial in Science on microcephalin and ASPN, ASPN gene in Science)  Science 309: 1717 (2005).


Urantia book 1934----

74:0.1 Adam and Eve arrived on Urantia [Earth], from the year A.D. 1934, 37,848 years ago.


and from Dr. Kary Mullis (Nobel prize in Chemistry) website
http://karymullis.com/urantia.html
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Moon » Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:56 pm

During the 1930s, eugenics was a very popular belief system. The Urantia book was written around that time, so the idea of Adam having blond haired blue eyed children was a widely held belief to show the supremacy of the white race.

I do wonder if the authors of that book were eugenicists just like the Rockefellers and many others at the time.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Majeston » Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:40 pm

maxmercury wrote:During the 1930s, eugenics was a very popular belief system. The Urantia book was written around that time, so the idea of Adam having blond haired blue eyed children was a widely held belief to show the supremacy of the white race.

I do wonder if the authors of that book were eugenicists just like the Rockefellers and many others at the time.



And that,s what you come up with from what I posted Max? LOL. U r 2 funny.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby coomba98 » Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:37 pm

I like where this post has gone. Not sure about the blue people and other unknown coloured humans.

Ive had a little bit of study on the Urantia book, from what ive read it all sounds abit.....fictional. In my mind.
Although some parts were interesting. ( havnt read the whole book ).

The earliest trace of the white man I can recollect is Ancient Rome. I have not or cannot find any knowledge
of white man dating before this date. As all other cultures where all black, or brown.

Can anyone put white man past the Roman Empire.

Not a culture of blacks or browns with a few whites. But a culture of white people. Where was this induction into
human society? Historically and Scientifically.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Theory » Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:21 pm

Have they ever found prehistoric white people? All the prehistoric people that have been found from what I know always have been depicted as black or brown. Just like the newer findings of the Hobbits they're depicted as black/brown. To me it seems white men came out of nowhere except for the fact that some of the "gods" were supposebly white. If evolution takes such a long time to happen, hence why we have not evolved anymore, then how can a white race just poof there they are with all their different hair colors, and all their different eye colors, all the different facial features, height, weight, skin tones, and so on? Unless it went something like this..a black/brown person had a multi defect baby who's skin was white, had blue eyes,ect. Then that defect baby who would have had to mate with another black/brown person(because he would have been the first defect baby) Then they had a defect baby who came out with white skin, brown eyes, ect. Then that defect baby had a defect baby and so on and so on. The time for the defect population to grow would be cut in half if they inbred, and I would think it would still take an incredible amount of time for each defect group to grow their population to match the non defect groups.
I don't get the enviroment theory, because living in a cold environment is not going to change your blood..dna, at least I don't understand how it could. Do black/brown people in modern days who live or lived in Alaska have defect babies that are born white and so on? Or do white people who live in Africa have brown babies? I think not unless they have that gene somewhere in their dna, it would have nothing to do with where they live or lived. But, this is only my thoughts and opinions that will most likely change a little after more evidence is found.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Bob137 » Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:53 pm

I agree on that, unless there was a very long period of time for that type of transmutation, it would have to be something else for another color of race of people to exist. Such as you mentioned of defects in pigmentation, and inbreeding, and it would still take a very long time for all the other color to be mostly bred out, which I have found no proof of as yet. I believe there were whites prior to the Romans, in Europe, but where did they come from? From another race, then how did they become white, and all their children white? Then there is the different colors of eyes and hair to contend with, and then also the size of the Northerners were much larger! So many different problems with just that type of answer for the white race.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby coomba98 » Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:44 am

Man im drunk. Lokkin at this post from the start. Num nums. will comment tomorrow night. Australian time
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby ilacewords » Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:21 am

I know I keep throwing the animal theories out there, but these last few posts also made me think of the genetics that created white bengal tigers, well at least the ones in captivity. They can mostly be traced back to one tiger in the 50s that had a genetic mutation. Although other subspecies of tigers throughout Asia & Siberia have included white breeds the majority had gone extinct prior to this white bengal tiger surge that we have today stemming from this bengal from India. (Surge is probably a very generous term considering that they are all pretty much in captivity in zoos or Vegas...) But maybe once this genetic mutation was present, maybe people were similar? People as a mass or society a lot of times tend to ignore what's not similar or that they don't agree with. Maybe this mutation was forced to the outside of society and 'stuck to themselves' enough to continue to thrive? Probably a crazy thought but it's early and I'm only half way through my first coffee :lol:
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Theory » Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:39 am

I got to thinking last night....back in those times if someone had a child that looked the complete opposite of their clan, what do you think they would do with it? I mean it would be like in modern times if someone had a green skined, black eyed baby what do you suppose would happen to that kid? We would consider it to be an "alien" or "monster" ect. Wouldn't they have thought the same thing? I guess in a smaller chance someone would consider it a sign from "god" and may worship it, but they would fear it so ilacewords would be right about them sending that person out on their own, but the same scenerio that I posted above would(in my opinion) have to happen no matter where that defected person ran off to.

Your example about the tigers is somewhat relative, but the thing is, is that the only difference in the tigers are the color of their fur. That would be like saying the only difference between the races of humans is their hair color. :wink: Plus it's not just the physical things that are different with the races. Structurally we are the same but when you look around inside that structure things are either the complete opposite of each other or completely different, and thats not saying that within the structure there are some similarities, but not as many as the differences. Theres not one person whos exactly the same, even twins are different from each other some may look the same but within their structure they are different.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Bob137 » Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:48 am

I really think white people were the last to be, (made in the God's images). In other words, the last of the human hybrid, breeding, and artificial insemination by the extraterrestrials., and that is why they just all of a sudden appeared. We were created by beings from another world, and we are still stinky monkey people, just trying to figure it all out. I did like to climb tress when I was a kid, and I have always liked bananas. :lol:
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Theory » Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:54 am

Bob137 wrote:I really think white people were the last to be, (made in the God's images). In other words, the last of the human hybrid, breeding, and artificial insemination by the extraterrestrials., and that is why they just all of a sudden appeared. We were created by beings from another world, and we are still stinky monkey people, just trying to figure it all out. I did like to climb tress when I was a kid, and I have always liked bananas. :lol:


Lmao me too Bob! I also agree with you about the hybrid thing.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby ilacewords » Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:55 am

Theory, very true and better stated that I postulated. I've often thought of the human race as being similar to dogs and that people's racisms towards others for their skin color is like being prejudiced towards only golden retrievers or black labs when under the fur, its still just a dog. But I think it boils down to being afraid and I think that people would be afraid of this new mutation popping up in humans.

And Bob, I agree and see your side as well as I'm not entirely convinced that homo sapiens weren't possibly seeded at some point to make this huge evolutionary jump we made. Maybe it occured at the same time? /agreed on the bananas :D

edited also for great point on the twins thing Theory!
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Bob137 » Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:15 am

Another thought on this, is maybe why the program of the extraterrestrials is now that when people are abducted, and the women implanted, or bred with the seed for a baby, and then they go through the labor, till they child is taken away, is that maybe they are making new upgraded species for another planet system, other than our own, and starting populations for more and more systems, etc... We could have cousins, second cousins, and all kinds of different human being counterparts around the galaxy, and not even know it. Maybe one day we can all get together for a really big galactic family reunion, and swap abduction, and Ancient Astronaut Theories! Then maybe we can find out what the hell the body probing crap was for with the abductions, (I edited it myself, so as not to offend anyone)!
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby ilacewords » Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:05 am

Very interesting Bob, I had never thought of that or heard that idea before. Sounds like it could be plausible to me. I mean they have to be doing something with the embryos/fetuses that are being taken from implantees and abductees. I'm pretty sure they are past stem cell researching them :lol:
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby DivineQueer » Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:34 am

Where the White Man came from? According to the ancients, from the Gods. Or, to be more exact, blonde and red hair and white skin was considered as a "Direct bloodline" of the Gods.
You encounter the same story all over the Globe; An Earthling is either mating, or in some other fashion having an offspring with a "God", and when that offspring is borne, it is again and again described as having "golden" or even white hair, and very white skin.

In my opinion, "White Man" or, to be more specific, certain groups of "White" people with red and blonde hair, aswell as the RH-Negative bloodgroup, is distant but yet close descendants of Ancient Extraterrestrials that was thought to be Gods.
And, in my opinon, the same also goes for large groups of Asians, specifically the Japanese, despite their deep-black beautiful hair. :)
In short, all the groups that falls under the cathegory "Aryans" qualifies for these "lines". And as you know, "Aryans" can -despite what many believe- have pretty much any haircolour or eyecolour, but they all have the same roots, that later on spread out over the Globe.

I am quite sure that the "Godly" genetic heritage is to be found in other races aswell-(After all, think about all the cultures over the Globe that says that they were created by the Gods), and pops up randomly, perhaps you could say, just like a recessive trait but- in my opinion- it is "Strongest" in the above mentioned groups.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Bob137 » Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:04 am

I must be part God then, I am from the RH Negative group, but my powers are weak, I just can't levitate, and I am need of a interstellar spaceship! like you stated, I am sure everyone has some of the God genes in them, whether from hybridization, or from mating with Gods, either or, it is still that we are a genetic made being, from the stars, and we are opening our minds to the realizations of extraterrestrial beginnings, and that we probably have relatives, not just all over the world, but the galaxy also! Milky Way here we come. I was a blue baby back when, got RH negative, with white skin now, and I always new I was from the stars, and that someday, I might get to go out there, and visit my relatives! I wonder if they are all stinky monkey people also, or could they be stinky lizard people, or stinky bird people, or all of the above?
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Majeston » Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:09 am

Anyone seriously interested to the answers of where the “white people” came from should read this entire paper #78 in the Urantia revelation…….below are a few selected excerpts…….

http://urantiabook.org/newbook/papers/p078.htm


PAPER 78: THE VIOLET RACE AFTER THE DAYS OF ADAM


The second Eden was the cradle of civilization for almost thirty thousand years. Here in Mesopotamia the Adamic peoples held forth, sending out their progeny to the ends of the earth, and latterly, as amalgamated with the Nodite and Sangik tribes, were known as the Andites. From this region went those men and women who initiated the doings of historic times, and who have so enormously accelerated cultural progress on Urantia.
This paper depicts the planetary history of the violet race, beginning soon after the default of Adam, about 35,000 B.C., and extending down through its amalgamation with the Nodite and Sangik races, about 15,000 B.C., to form the Andite peoples and on to its final disappearance from the Mesopotamian homelands, about 2000 B.C.

78:1 RACIAL AND CULTURAL DISTRIBUTION

Although the minds and morals of the races were at a low level at the time of Adam' s arrival, physical evolution had gone on quite unaffected by the exigencies of the Caligastia rebellion. Adam's contribution to the biologic status of the races, notwithstanding the partial failure of the undertaking, enormously upstepped the people of Urantia.
Adam and Eve also contributed much that was of value to the social, moral, and intellectual progress of mankind; civilization was immensely quickened by the presence of their offspring. But thirty-five thousand years ago the world at large possessed little culture. Certain centers of civilization existed here and there, but most of Urantia languished in savagery. Racial and cultural distribution was as follows:
1. The violet race— Adamites and Adamsonites. The chief center of Adamite culture was in the second garden,located in the triangle of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers; this was indeed the cradle of Occidental and Indian civilizations. The secondary or northern center of the violet race was the Adamsonite headquarters, situated east of the southern shore of the Caspian Sea near the Kopet mountains. From these two centers there went forth to the surrounding lands the culture and life plasm which so immediately quickened all the races.
2. Pre-Sumerians and other Nodites. There were also present in Mesopotamia, near the mouth of the rivers, remnants of the ancient culture of the days of Dalamatia. With the passing millenniums, this group became thoroughly admixed with the Adamites to the north, but they never entirely lost their Nodite traditions. Various other Nodite groups that had settled in the Levant were, in general, absorbed by the later expanding violet race.
3. The Andonites maintained five or six fairly representative settlements to the north and east of the Adamsonheadquarters. They were also scattered throughout Turkestan, while isolated islands of them persisted throughout Eurasia, especially in mountainous regions. These aborigines still held the northlands of the Eurasian continent, together with Iceland and Greenland, but they had long since been driven from the plains of Europe by the blue man and from the river valleys of farther Asia by the expanding yellow race.
4. The red man occupied the Americas, having been driven out of Asia over fifty thousand years before the arrival of Adam.
5. The yellow race. The Chinese peoples were well established in control of eastern Asia. Their most advanced settlements were situated to the northwest of modern China in regions bordering on Tibet.
6. The blue race. The blue men were scattered all over Europe, but their better centers of culture were situated in the then fertile valleys of the Mediterranean basin and in northwestern Europe. Neanderthal absorption had greatly retarded the culture of the blue man, but he was otherwise the most aggressive, adventurous, and exploratory of all the evolutionary peoples of Eurasia.
7. Pre-Dravidian India. The complex mixture of races in India—embracing every race on earth, but especially the green, orange, and black—maintained a culture slightly above that of the outlying regions.
8. The Sahara civilization. The superior elements of the indigo race had their most progressive settlements in what is now the great Sahara desert. This indigo-black group carried extensive strains of the submerged orange and green races.
9. The Mediterranean basin. The most highly blended race outside of India occupied what is now the Mediterranean basin. Here blue men from the north and Saharans from the south met and mingled with Nodites and Adamites from the east.
This was the picture of the world prior to the beginnings of the great expansions of the violet race, about twenty-five thousand years ago. The hope of future civilization lay in the second garden between the rivers of Mesopotamia. Here in southwestern Asia there existed the potential of a great civilization, the possibility of the spread to the world of the ideas and ideals which had been salvaged from the days of Dalamatia and the times of Eden.
Adam and Eve had left behind a limited but potent progeny, and the celestial observers on Urantia waited anxiously to find out how these descendants of the erring Material Son and Daughter would acquit themselves.




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Adam left a great intellectual and spiritual culture behind him, but it was not advanced in mechanical appliances since every civilization is limited by available natural resources, inherent genius, and sufficient leisure to insure inventive fruition. The civilization of the violet race was predicated on the presence of Adam and on the traditions of the first Eden. After Adam's death and as these traditions grew dim through the passing millenniums, the cultural level of the Adamites steadily deteriorated until it reached a state of reciprocal balance with the status of the surrounding peoples and the naturally evolving cultural capacities of the violet race.
But the Adamites were a real nation around 19,000 B.C., numbering four and a half million, and already they had poured forth millions of their progeny into the surrounding peoples.

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The Andite races were the primary blends of the pure-line violet race and the Nodites plus the evolutionary peoples. In general, Andites should be thought of as having a far greater percentage of Adamic blood than the modern races. In the main, the term Andite is used to designate those peoples whose racial inheritance was from one-eighth to one-sixth violet. Modern Urantians, even the northern white races, contain much less than this percentage of the blood of Adam.
The earliest Andite peoples took origin in the regions adjacent to Mesopotamia more than twenty-five thousand years ago and consisted of a blend of the Adamites and Nodites. The second garden was surrounded by concentric circles of diminishing violet blood, and it was on the periphery of this racial melting pot that the Andite race was born. Later on, when the migrating Adamites and Nodites entered the then fertile regions of Turkestan, they soon blended with the superior inhabitants, and the resultant race mixture extended the Andite type northward.
The Andites were the best all-round human stock to appear on Urantia since the days of the pure-line violet peoples. They embraced most of the highest types of the surviving remnants of the Adamite and Nodite races and, later, some of the best strains of the yellow, blue, and green men.
These early Andites were not Aryan; they were pre-Aryan. They were not white; they were pre-white. They were neither an Occidental nor an Oriental people. But it is Andite inheritance that gives to the polyglot mixture of the so-called white races that generalized homogeneity which has been called Caucasoid.
The purer strains of the violet race had retained the Adamic tradition of peace-seeking, which explains why the earlier race movements had been more in the nature of peaceful migrations. But as the Adamites united with the Nodite stocks, who were by this time a belligerent race, their Andite descendants became, for their day and age, the most skillful and sagacious militarists ever to live on Urantia. Thenceforth the movements of the Mesopotamians grew increasingly military in character and became more akin to actual conquests.
These Andites were adventurous; they had roving dispositions. An increase of either Sangik or Andonite stock tended to stabilize them. But even so, their later descendants never stopped until they had circumnavigated the globe and discovered the last remote continent.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby DivineQueer » Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:24 am

Bob137 wrote:I must be part God then, I am from the RH Negative group, but my powers are weak, I just can't levitate, and I am need of a interstellar spaceship! like you stated, I am sure everyone has some of the God genes in them, whether from hybridization, or from mating with Gods, either or, it is still that we are a genetic made being, from the stars, and we are opening our minds to the realizations of extraterrestrial beginnings, and that we probably have relatives, not just all over the world, but the galaxy also! Milky Way here we come. I was a blue baby back when, got RH negative, with white skin now, and I always new I was from the stars, and that someday, I might get to go out there, and visit my relatives! I wonder if they are all stinky monkey people also, or could they be stinky lizard people, or stinky bird people, or all of the above?


No matter how much I would like to, I nonetheless and unfortunately cannot answer your post in deep until I know in which parts you are actually serious. :lol:

Anyway, being RH_negative, I am sure you have some "Quirks" that you have found to be non-existent or rare in the average person. You may also have a slightly larger forehead than the average person aswell, and a good sixth sense- correct?
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Path of Least Resistance » Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:24 pm

the "gods" created man after many attempts and over earth's history there have been several Root races. each time a new civilization was established a new race was started. i would assume advanced genetics would account for the differences, not simply evolution. people have light colored eyes and light skin because they lived away form the equator and need their bodies to recieve more sunlight to function properly (melatonin, Vit D, etc etc). people closer to the equator have darker skin and eye color to not absorb as much UV.

if you were engineering a race to be in a general location for millenia, wouldn't you take body chemistry into consideration?

the first races were mining and work races created from an earthly beast and unearthly DNA. after time the gods mated with the daughters of man and the mixing began. after that its anyone's guess to what extent.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby ilacewords » Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:04 pm

Path of Least Resistance wrote:the "gods" created man after many attempts and over earth's history there have been several Root races. each time a new civilization was established a new race was started. i would assume advanced genetics would account for the differences, not simply evolution. people have light colored eyes and light skin because they lived away form the equator and need their bodies to recieve more sunlight to function properly (melatonin, Vit D, etc etc). people closer to the equator have darker skin and eye color to not absorb as much UV.

if you were engineering a race to be in a general location for millenia, wouldn't you take body chemistry into consideration?

the first races were mining and work races created from an earthly beast and unearthly DNA. after time the gods mated with the daughters of man and the mixing began. after that its anyone's guess to what extent.


I can agree with you on all but the equator thing. As from my own personal experience I knew a native Eskimos who is very dark brown skinned with black hair/dark eyes. At least the one I knew. Facial features that looked like Ice T but slightly darker skinned.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Moon » Thu Apr 28, 2011 3:47 pm

Majeston wrote:
maxmercury wrote:During the 1930s, eugenics was a very popular belief system. The Urantia book was written around that time, so the idea of Adam having blond haired blue eyed children was a widely held belief to show the supremacy of the white race.

I do wonder if the authors of that book were eugenicists just like the Rockefellers and many others at the time.



And that,s what you come up with from what I posted Max? LOL. U r 2 funny.


I do think that is relevant to this article. That period of time is when the book of Urantia was written, and during that time period many scientists espoused the eugenics theories when it came to race.

You are the one touting it as the real truth and this aspect should be known by people before they decide what to believe about Urantia.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Majeston » Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:34 pm

maxmercury wrote:
Majeston wrote:
maxmercury wrote:During the 1930s, eugenics was a very popular belief system. The Urantia book was written around that time, so the idea of Adam having blond haired blue eyed children was a widely held belief to show the supremacy of the white race.

I do wonder if the authors of that book were eugenicists just like the Rockefellers and many others at the time.



And that,s what you come up with from what I posted Max? LOL. U r 2 funny.


I do think that is relevant to this article. That period of time is when the book of Urantia was written, and during that time period many scientists espoused the eugenics theories when it came to race.

You are the one touting it as the real truth and this aspect should be known by people before they decide what to believe about Urantia.



Max,
First of all you are way off base in dreamland somewhere. The Urantia book describes Adam & Eve as being the "violet compexion," and eight feet tall as well as their progeny. You appear to be making the erroneous assumption that Dr. Sadler was an "author", which he was not. The various authors state exactly who they are in the document. Sadler did write several books on eugenics, "Long Heads and Round Heads" was one. No human was permitted to alter even one word in the revelation. There are many erroneous racist theories floating around the net which you apparently wish to parrot without knowing what you are talking about for whatever mysterious agenda you may have. Now, I don't know how familiar you are with the document. But I have studied and researched it in depth for 45 years.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Bob137 » Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:45 pm

From my understanding of the Urantia Book, it was comprised by spirits, giving the information to people! Does not necessarily mean it is right, fact, or correct by any means, it is just some peoples opinion, (or some spirits opinion), of what was history, given by people who state they received these revelations, and so many have come to believe it as all fact, just as people believe the Bible as all fact. I personally believe that many, if not most, people of this world, have been manipulated into believing all sorts of things, and it is still going on, whether through religious mind control, or spirit based mind control, or deity mind control, etc... I have had spiritual experiences, and I for one, do not follow someone else's ways of belief, I found my own through following my own path, as has millions of others throughout history. Most all of course were murdered for this, but as times have progressed, not so much murder for one following their own path is happening around the world, as it used to. I like reading numerous materials on spiritual beliefs, and ways, and teachings, and thought, and metaphysics, and gnosticism, and revelatory, and mythology, and legends, and science, etc.. but I still follow my own path, I do not subscribe to blindly following someone else's belief, unless it fits in with my own understandings of all of history, life, love, spirit, soul, being, kindness, caring, compassion, empathy, learning, logic, and so much more, in other words, I prefer to research, and keep researching, and learning, and growing spiritually, and mentally, and physically, not become stagnant with a system of belief, I prefer to keep an open mind, and soak in more, and more info, like a sponge. That way, the more I learn, the less I know, so I have to just keep on learning, and questioning, and viewing each day with new eyes so to speak. What I seek is to become more than what I am, I can be, and do, and know, and still learn, and experience, and change perceptions as I keep on learning. If I subscribe to just one belief system, and do not learn of others, I may miss out on an experience of truth, that is more than what I knew from just that belief system. So in other words as the Moody Blues have sung.
We decide which is right, and which is an illusion!
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby coomba98 » Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:53 pm

I like Theory's post on 27.04.11 at 6.21pm. That sounds the most plausible scientifically.
It would only take one mutation to change everything so long as the conditions were right.
Re: Said mutated person did alot of sleeping round to pass on the mutation to the rest. And i dont mean getting some shut eye!!

Although the big hole in that is evolution through mutations takes a very long time and not 3,000 years.

I do think their were societies of white people prior to Rome, but I cannot locate any. Their would have to have been.

I have a little theory that some have already mentioned above that the white man was genetically altered for some purpose.
That purpose is unknown, but I do know out of all the races within the human race, the white man is the least suited for this planet.

I also just want to add that I did not start this post to have racist comments or views.
Facts cannot be racist so lets stick with them.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Pons Asinorum » Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:35 pm

Re: the earliest date of Caucasian people -- FWIW:

from Science, Science 20 April 2007: Vol. 316 no. 5823 p. 364, by Ann Gibbons who wrote:At the American Association of Physical Anthropologists meeting, held here from 28 to 31 March, a new report on the evolution of a gene for skin color suggested that Europeans acquired pale skin quite recently, perhaps only 6000 to 12,000 years ago.


Unfortunately, a paid subscription is needed to access this article in its entirety (perhaps a library visit).

This conclusion is completely based on genetics; specifically a gene called SLC24A5, which is one of a few genes that can control skin color. If the SLC24A5 gene has a specific, single molecular-variation, then skin color becomes lighter. It is that variation that has been traced back to at least 6000 years before present (BP). Some other contemporary sources suggest even further, but I can not yet find a credible source to verify that.

For comparison, the traditional founding of Rome is 753 BC or almost 2800 BP.

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Re: the eugenics possibility -- Interesting find Max, thank you.

The DNA of modern humans is more than 99.99% the same. Remarkable how closely related we all are (skin color is even less significant -- just a single molecule of difference). Amazing that such an insignificant difference (biologically and mathematically speaking) can create such vexing social issues.

Various twisted philosophies (especially those with a eugenics root) try to ignore this insignificant-molecular-difference (skin color) and instead try to distinguish and advance arguments of racial hierarchy. Of course nowadays, such arguments are coached in politically correct terms or otherwise camouflaged, which, for a rational person, that alone should serve as a Big Red Flag indicating a flawed and deficient philosophy.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Majeston » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:27 am

Bob137 wrote:From my understanding of the Urantia Book, it was comprised by spirits, giving the information to people! Does not necessarily mean it is right, fact, or correct by any means, it is just some peoples opinion, (or some spirits opinion), of what was history, given by people who state they received these revelations, and so many have come to believe it as all fact, just as people believe the Bible as all fact. I personally believe that many, if not most, people of this world, have been manipulated into believing all sorts of things, and it is still going on, whether through religious mind control, or spirit based mind control, or deity mind control, etc... I have had spiritual experiences, and I for one, do not follow someone else's ways of belief, I found my own through following my own path, as has millions of others throughout history. Most all of course were murdered for this, but as times have progressed, not so much murder for one following their own path is happening around the world, as it used to. I like reading numerous materials on spiritual beliefs, and ways, and teachings, and thought, and metaphysics, and gnosticism, and revelatory, and mythology, and legends, and science, etc.. but I still follow my own path, I do not subscribe to blindly following someone else's belief, unless it fits in with my own understandings of all of history, life, love, spirit, soul, being, kindness, caring, compassion, empathy, learning, logic, and so much more, in other words, I prefer to research, and keep researching, and learning, and growing spiritually, and mentally, and physically, not become stagnant with a system of belief, I prefer to keep an open mind, and soak in more, and more info, like a sponge. That way, the more I learn, the less I know, so I have to just keep on learning, and questioning, and viewing each day with new eyes so to speak. What I seek is to become more than what I am, I can be, and do, and know, and still learn, and experience, and change perceptions as I keep on learning. If I subscribe to just one belief system, and do not learn of others, I may miss out on an experience of truth, that is more than what I knew from just that belief system. So in other words as the Moody Blues have sung.
We decide which is right, and which is an illusion!



Great little summation Bob,
And quite ironic that you sum it up with the Moody Blues, just exactly which big blue book do you think the Moody Blues cherished and which influenced much of their music? With a little bit of research, you will find that they discovered " which was right and which was an illusion" after many years of their own Urantia book study.
Everyone is free to follow their own paths in the discovery of truth and certainly should, but every once in awhile, like every couple thousand years or so, our elder brothers and sisters lend a helping hand to keep us going in the right direction. Some people are able to recognize truth, others have been so indoctrinated that they are unable to and some people are just simply afraid of it.
There are many people on these internet chats giving out a lot of crap or simply parroting wikipedia and even people on this "bored" and even some moderators perpetuate the general confusion and misinformation because they are just as confused as the rest of the sheeple. That is exactly why revelation lights the darkness and that is also why we see people quoting ignorant studies of "suggestions" like
from Science, Science 20 April 2007: Vol. 316 no. 5823 p. 364, by Ann Gibbons who wrote:
At the American Association of Physical Anthropologists meeting, held here from 28 to 31 March, a new report on the evolution of a gene for skin color suggested that Europeans acquired pale skin quite recently, perhaps only 6000 to 12,000 years ago.
and then trying to continue the misinformation and confusion they are personal quagmired in by foisting such nonsense upon the rest of us.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Ace Rimmer » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:48 am

Majeston wrote: There are many people on these internet chats giving out a lot of crap or simply parroting wikipedia and even people on this "bored" and even some moderators perpetuate the general confusion and misinformation because they are just as confused as the rest of the sheeple. That is exactly why revelation lights the darkness and that is also why we see people quoting ignorant studies of "suggestions" like
from Science, Science 20 April 2007: Vol. 316 no. 5823 p. 364, by Ann Gibbons who wrote:
At the American Association of Physical Anthropologists meeting, held here from 28 to 31 March, a new report on the evolution of a gene for skin color suggested that Europeans acquired pale skin quite recently, perhaps only 6000 to 12,000 years ago.
and then trying to continue the misinformation and confusion they are personal quagmired in by foisting such nonsense upon the rest of us.
The exact same thing can be said of you Majeston "giving out a lot of crap or simply parroting" a questionable book.

I am getting really weary of your all knowing attitude. And your insults to us because we don't believe what you are peddling.
You are like a Jehovah Witness that keeps coming to the door. Moderators and Administrators are free to have their own opinions, nobody on here ever tries to force their views on anybody else, except you.

So knock it off, this is a friendly warning to show some respect to all members of this forum, and if we don't buy into what you are peddling, I say it just shows we have a great group of people who can certainly think for themselves.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby coomba98 » Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:10 am

Ok we all go into our rants every now and then. Its all good, we all have our views. we all get into moods.

Back to topic.

Dark headed and skined people.

Then Poof!!!

White Man!

Out of Nowhere!

Opinions.....

Go!
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Ace Rimmer » Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:32 am

I'll quote from my favorite made up religion, from The First Book of Bokonon. God made us all out of mud, all of us, no matter what color.

The First Book of Bokonon

Apearing on the title page: "Don't be a fool! Close this book at once! It
is nothing but foma!"

The book commences:

All of the true things I am about to tell you are shameless lies.

In the beginning, God created earth, and he looked upon it in His
cosmic loneliness.

And God said, "Let Us make living creatures out of mud, so the mud
can see what We have done."
And God created every living creature that now moveth, and one was
man. Mud as man alone could speak.
God leaned close as mud as man sat up, looked around, and spoke.
Man blinked. "What is the purpose
of all this?" he asked politely.

"Everything must have a purpose?" asked God.

"Certainly," said man.

"Then I leave it to you to think of one for all this," said God. And He
went away.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Majeston » Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:02 am

Metaluna wrote:
Majeston wrote: There are many people on these internet chats giving out a lot of crap or simply parroting wikipedia and even people on this "bored" and even some moderators perpetuate the general confusion and misinformation because they are just as confused as the rest of the sheeple. That is exactly why revelation lights the darkness and that is also why we see people quoting ignorant studies of "suggestions" like
from Science, Science 20 April 2007: Vol. 316 no. 5823 p. 364, by Ann Gibbons who wrote:
At the American Association of Physical Anthropologists meeting, held here from 28 to 31 March, a new report on the evolution of a gene for skin color suggested that Europeans acquired pale skin quite recently, perhaps only 6000 to 12,000 years ago.
and then trying to continue the misinformation and confusion they are personal quagmired in by foisting such nonsense upon the rest of us.
The exact same thing can be said of you Majeston "giving out a lot of crap or simply parroting" a questionable book.

I am getting really weary of your all knowing attitude. And your insults to us because we don't believe what you are peddling.
You are like a Jehovah Witness that keeps coming to the door. Moderators and Administrators are free to have their own opinions, nobody on here ever tries to force their views on anybody else, except you.

So knock it off, this is a friendly warning to show some respect to all members of this forum, and if we don't buy into what you are peddling, I say it just shows we have a great group of people who can certainly think for themselves.


I am not here to fight with you Metaluna and I certainly have not attacked you nor have I disrespected you or anyone else here. I did not see anywhere in the rules of conduct that knowing something was some sort of crime as you are portraying it. You are free to believe anything you wish as I believe I am and everyone else is. That is what the exchange of ideas and the search for truth is all about. I expressed my personal opinion that the above citation was a load of garbage and mis-information. I believe this and have stated so and I also know that it is flawed and erroneous. If then, knowing and stating it is a crime to you, then I am guilty. I am not "peddling" anything nor am I selling anything nor do I have any financial interest in my viewpoints and I am not a Jehovah's witness. There are some here on this forum who found some of my postings quite personally valuable and enlightening in their search for the answers to the Ancient Alien mystery. Apparently you personally have not, but that is no reason for you to disrespect or threaten me and what I have to offer others in search of truth.
Furthermore, we are in a topic and having a discussion about "Where did the white man come from". I contributed here because I know where and how the white man came from and I have posted valuable information about the subject being discussed for those people who might be reading this and actually wish to know the answer. If knowing the answer to the question and providing the answer has broken some rule of conduct on this forum then I am bewildered as to the crime I am accused of.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby ilacewords » Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:42 am

Majeston wrote:Max,
First of all you are way off base in dreamland somewhere. The Urantia book describes Adam & Eve as being the "violet compexion," and eight feet tall as well as their progeny. You appear to be making the erroneous assumption that Dr. Sadler was an "author", which he was not. The various authors state exactly who they are in the document. Sadler did write several books on eugenics, "Long Heads and Round Heads" was one. No human was permitted to alter even one word in the revelation. There are many erroneous racist theories floating around the net which you apparently wish to parrot without knowing what you are talking about for whatever mysterious agenda you may have. Now, I don't know how familiar you are with the document. But I have studied and researched it in depth for 45 years.


I believe this is what Metaluna is talking about. Quite honestly it just comes across a little condescending. It doesn't sound like a presentation of an idea but more to me of 'drink the koolaid' as well. Dr. Sadler may not have been the author but was just presenting something that he channelled from a dreamstate. I don't know how that can be proven as the right truth was all she & Max were saying and I do agree. A lot of what the book presents seems to have a lot of basis in Christian beliefs and while I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but lets face it - there's more people on this planet that don't follow Christian beliefs than do is all. There is no ultimate right or wrong in general, but we all must find our own right and that it's a very personal thing that a person shouldn't have to defend or even define to another. We all meet our own makers in the end and that's the only place we will find out that we are all right.
Again, it's just my opinion - but let's all get along and express ideas in a courteous fashion. Meta is the last person around here who would just attack someone outright.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Ace Rimmer » Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:17 am

This is what I am talking about, comments like below.

I must just be overly sensitve to the feelings of others. I am so sorry I accused you of being disrespectful of others Majeston. I must be reading more into your comments.

And thank you ilacewords I really appreciate your comments and I am glad somebody can see the point I was trying to make. You are quite right, nobody should have to defend their beliefs to anyone and be told they are wrong and confused because another person thinks they have all the answers.

Maybe you are right Majeston, nobody said you are wrong, but it is the way in which you present your beliefs as the be all and end all of knowledge as to our origins.
Majeston wrote:I didn't give you my "belief", i gave you the answer to the question. You are free to entertain whatever personal fantasy or confusion you like.


Majeston wrote:It is so sad and depressing reading these posts which you people are presenting. It is because you just don't know. You just simply don't know what is going on and don't read the right material and until you do, you wil remain forever confused about these realities of the AA's and the spiritual world.


Majeston wrote:There are many people on these internet chats giving out a lot of crap or simply parroting wikipedia and even people on this "bored" and even some moderators perpetuate the general confusion and misinformation because they are just as confused as the rest of the sheeple. That is exactly why revelation lights the darkness and that is also why we see people quoting ignorant studies of "suggestions" like
from Science, Science 20 April 2007: Vol. 316 no. 5823 p. 364, by Ann Gibbons who wrote:
At the American Association of Physical Anthropologists meeting, held here from 28 to 31 March, a new report on the evolution of a gene for skin color suggested that Europeans acquired pale skin quite recently, perhaps only 6000 to 12,000 years ago.
and then trying to continue the misinformation and confusion they are personal quagmired in by foisting such nonsense upon the rest of us.
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