Skeptics

[coomba98]

Who here views both sides of the story before making an opinion?

aka, AAT view and the Skeptics view, then choice.

Or do some people just listen to the AAT and totally discount the other?

I myself take time to understand both sides before making a decision.
Especially when the skeptics are sufficiently qualified.

With some view points I agree with the AAT's and with others I agree with the skeptics.

( This mainly relates to pictures, sculptures and texts. )

[Ace Rimmer]

I believe in Alien Intervention in our past. I can feel it in my bones and have for almost 50 years, but there are many many aspects of it that I am skeptical of, too numerous to mention.

[coomba98]

Metaluna,
I agree with you. The way I see it, somethings are completely obvious where others are circumstantial.
Butin some things i am skeptical.

[Moon]

Who here views both sides of the story before making an opinion?

aka, AAT view and the Skeptics view, then choice.

Or do some people just listen to the AAT and totally discount the other?

I myself take time to understand both sides before making a decision.
Especially when the skeptics are sufficiently qualified.

With some view points I agree with the AAT's and with others I agree with the skeptics.

( This mainly relates to pictures, sculptures and texts. )

I am skeptical of much that is out there. I do think there was contact of extraterrestrials, but that is based on circumstantial evidence. Too many accept everything as the total truth and that works on both sides.

The main thing is the continuous search for the evidence that will one day completely prove alien visitation in the past and present.

[ilacewords]

I think we are all raised as skeptics if you have gone through public schooling and/or listen to any mainstream media. It's when you begin the see the holes and cracks in the official story that you seek the answers out yourself. Anyone that does any seeking will eventually slowly convert if they are truly openminded in looking at the evidence.

[Zero One]

When it comes to AAT too many things have been added to the subject for their to be a line between skeptics and believers. AAT alone is a good theory but people have added so much to it and make the entire field laughable at times, So now ooparts get lumped into all sorts of new age and metaphysical claims. A good example is the crystal skulls, they tend to be tied in with AAs for reasons unknown.By themselves all that they coud proove is that the ancients had rotary tools but along came the new agers with claims of "energy" comming from them (a common subjective theme in new ager claims). So when you say skeptic vs believer i think skeptical or believing in what? The Evicende and its implications? Or all the quasi religious claims that have been added on by others?
Personally i take an objective approach to the subject and look at what is there and make conclusions based on that.

[Moon]

I do agree with you on this one, Zero. There are too many ideas that have been merged with the AAT for the most part. It is not a bad thing necessarily, but there needs to be a focus on the one core issue: Proving that there was visitation by extraterrestrials in ancient times. While many seem to think the evidence presented is absolute proof, it is circumstantial at best.

Right now there are DNA tests going on with the elongated skulls from Peru that will resolve a question that has plagued them: Are they human, or is there any alien DNA there? This is the first time someone has given a sample of them to be tested. Along with the Starchild Skull, these artifacts might be the smoking gun evidence that proves ancient visitation once and for all. Then we can move on to the other questions out there.

[AnuAtlantian]

Im not skeptic anymore, because I understand from being skeptic of the bible story of the fallen Angels before. Now after the book of enoch to the Ancient Astronaut story I understand that the old gods were astronauts the different gods of all mythogies are realy all the same guys back to the Sumerian gods.

It doesnt mater which planet or star system they come from. A 10th planet Nibiru, or Orions belt, the pleaides, zeta reticuli, Vega, andromeda galaxy, they came from the sky, the heavens.

Id rather read great theories from member inquiring mind of the reptilian shapeshifter race, than to read skepics trying to debunk beliefs. There are different beliefs of who are these Astronauts. Humans reptilians greys mermaids. I want to hear whats your story or theory, example: site called sitchin is wrong site. I checked it, so if that person is a better expert on stone texts, if thats not the story than what is his story. He does not have one.

This forum is about Ancient Astronauts. So tell me in each post what do you believe in? I was a skeptic of the bible, now i understand it better and I believe in a bigger story. what do you believe in?

[Pooty Mack]

...Along with the Starchild Skull, these artifacts might be the smoking gun evidence that proves ancient visitation once and for all. Then we can move on to the other questions out there.

They have already done DNA tests on the SC skull. http://www.starchildproject.com/dna.htm
"A modified "shotgun" DNA recovery technique has been successfully used to recover coherent segments of the Starchild Skull's nuclear DNA. Of the (approx.) 3 billion base pairs in the skull's genome, many thousands have been recovered. These nuclear DNA fragments have been analyzed by the National Institutes of Health BLAST program, and a substantial percentage of that DNA has "no significant similarity" to any DNA previously found on Earth."

[Zero One]

Right now there are DNA tests going on with the elongated skulls from Peru that will resolve a question that has plagued them: Are they human, or is there any alien DNA there? This is the first time someone has given a sample of them to be tested. Along with the Starchild Skull, these artifacts might be the smoking gun evidence that proves ancient visitation once and for all. Then we can move on to the other questions out there.

I will have to look for it but i remember reading something saying something to the effect of not all the skulls showed evidence of binding

[coomba98]

When I was a Christian in my early years the one main thing that got to me was 'The Judgement of Man.'

Think about it we all get judged, but our own personal judgements get thrown into the overall tally of MAN!

Innocent and a New Earth is created here as the New Heaven and we all get to live happily ever after. Yay!

Guilty..... and we freakin get thrown into a Flaming Sulfur Pit ment to detain/hold and TORTURE SUPERNATURAL BEING!!!!

This doesnt sit right with me.

Question: Thinking along this line of thought.....would you trust mankind to get you into heaven?
My Answer: Hell no. Overall were not very pretty.

[Moon]

They have already done DNA tests on the SC skull. http://www.starchildproject.com/dna.htm
"A modified "shotgun" DNA recovery technique has been successfully used to recover coherent segments of the Starchild Skull's nuclear DNA. Of the (approx.) 3 billion base pairs in the skull's genome, many thousands have been recovered. These nuclear DNA fragments have been analyzed by the National Institutes of Health BLAST program, and a substantial percentage of that DNA has "no significant similarity" to any DNA previously found on Earth."

Mr Pye has finished the latest round of DNA testing on the Starchild Skull and is now in the process of looking for an investor to get the genome sequence done. This process will cost a few million dollars, but it is the only way to convince skeptics they have an out of this world specimen. The elongated skulls of Peru are going to get DNA tested for the first time to see if they are human or not. (I get Mr Pye's emails and have been into contact with him so I do get updates on how things are going.)

I will have to look for it but i remember reading something saying something to the effect of not all the skulls showed evidence of binding

Many people claim the elongated skulls are the results of binding, but not one of them has been DNA tested until now. This will resolve the question of if they are human.

The only way to show the theory has any merit is to get evidence to support it. These skulls might be the smoking gun we have been looking for. I think the evidence shows the Starchild Skull is extraterrestrial, but a genome model of the DNA will satisfy many more critics out there.

[rossm477]

I think you have to consider the whole when contemplating a subject like this, and that includes listening to opposing views, weighing the evidence, and drawing your own conclusions on logical, unbiased thought. Therefore, I would say I am always a skeptic, regardless of what is being presented. Interestingly enough, on the nat geo series "is it real" one of the episodes was devoted to anicent aliens, where they showed both ancient astronaut theorist and skeptics alike. In my opinion, I found that listening to both sides is more interesting.

[Moon]

I think you have to consider the whole when contemplating a subject like this, and that includes listening to opposing views, weighing the evidence, and drawing your own conclusions on logical, unbiased thought. Therefore, I would say I am always a skeptic, regardless of what is being presented. Interestingly enough, on the nat geo series "is it real" one of the episodes was devoted to anicent aliens, where they showed both ancient astronaut theorist and skeptics alike. In my opinion, I found that listening to both sides is more interesting.

It can be more interesting when both sides are put on an equal position and given the same amount of time to explain their theories. My problem with most of the other programs is they are heavily favored for the mainstream views.

I would also like to hear a skeptic say: That is an interesting idea and really needs to be looked into. Usually they just mock what has been stated by the fringe or paranormal researcher.

I am also a bit skeptical of some of the things stated, but I also have an open mind to look into what they are stating. I really do think the other side deserves at least the courtesy of the exploration of the idea before totally shooting it down.

[Sunrisepony]

I believe what ever the majority of the hard solid evidence makes most logical. I don't think it particularly falls to one side or the other, likely somewhere in between. But, suffice to say. I'm a full believe in Aliens existing and having interaction and involvement in the earth since the dawning of and long before human existence on this planet.

[cRush]

Every serious AAT enthusiast should be highly skeptical of what is presented to them. Take everything as if it were being presented by a charlatan, and put it to the test. Don't merely discard the opinion of experts because they do not subscribe to the same beliefs in the AAT. Remember, these individuals have considerably more experience in their field than you or I, and even though we might not agree with their standpoint on our AAT, we have to recognize their superiority in their respective field. Now, when obvious bias is present, that is a different story completely, but we should not be so quick to inject bias into the explanations given by "mainstream" experts simply because they do not find sufficient evidence to support our theory.

In fact, we should assimilate all that we can from these individuals so that we may use their own knowledge to prove our theory is in fact the correct theory. In order to accomplish this, it is highly imperative that we apply the utmost scrutiny to our investigations, distinguishing that which is fact and which is unable to be substantiated. Let us not become so zealous in our conviction that we attempt to mold the observable truth into something more befitting of our belief.

It is my desire that one day we delve deeper into our understanding of the ancient cultures, and how they accomplished the magnificent feats to which we give them credit; however, while doing so, we must not discount our own ingenuity, or the knowledge we have gathered on the way. Furthermore, we should crosscheck that which we have acquired and qualified as factual, or highly probable, and use it to negate that which most certainly only adds weakness to our theory.

This should be our mission and pledge: to keep the AAT pure so that it may one day come into fruition.

[allspark]

I endorse the above statement by cRush 100%.
Well said Sir.

[Hardkrome]

I agree with the first post in that the information needs to be discerned. Im not pushing religion, im telling you that the Bible, not religion led me to this years ago.

The main problem is that most people do not have any form of absolute truth in their life. Television has destroyed that and people go around in circles. There has to be something to judge the AAT Theory against. Something that is absolute truth. I dont know about you people but the only book I have ever picked up that says it is Gods word is the Bible. I will say that in my life, when God has something for you to do, your going to do it.

With that being said. I did study for 4 years and I was taught by an oldschool preacher who was in his 80's. So talking to me is not like talking to some ecumenical christian preacher. Lots of points of doctrine have been compromised by the ecumenical movement. These points of doctrine go hand in hand with the AAT theory and that doctrine used to be taught with different names being used. Thru their ignorance they just classify everything as "the devil" or "demons"

A new age preacher will deny this doctrine in the Bible and argue it with me. When I start throwing the appologetics for it back at them they run because they know they are wrong. The day is coming soon when the foundations of of what people believe will be shaken.

The World calls them "ALIENS" the Bible calls them "Angels". (Theres a reason for that)

Ill classify them

1. Demons - These are disembodied spirits from a previous creation. (prehistoric man) They are not created in the image of God like we are . (body , soul, spirit) They seek to posess that which they lost , their Body. Their DNA is not human. Ill have to dig up an article from 1996 where they found one in the ice and DNA tested it. The Bible indicates that they were probably the creation that was here during Satans Fall. Thats recorded in Isiah and is very brief. We dont know how many millions of years elapsed between that and this creation. Or to be more specific the first and second verses in the Bible.

2. Satan and His Angels - They are composed of 1/3 of all the angels that were IN HEAVEN. They are organized like an army and control the world system. For example God sent an Angel to interpret a dream and the Angel said he fought the prince of Persia (a falllen angel) for 21 days and it delayed him.

3. The Angels that left their First Estate (AA)- These are NOT Associated with Satan and His angels. They are a different group of angels. They corrupted the WHOLE earth and filled it with "Violence". Not only that they also were trying to corrupt the DNA of man So God could not redeem man. This is where we get into the cohabitation with women, and all the mythology. Noah's sons carried the mythology stories with them to this side of the second flood. Whats really intriguing is that the Bible says more of these particular angels came down AFTER the flood also. That accounts for Giants the Israelites fought and the Myans.

The ones that sinned God has locked up until judgement day. BUT that is not to say more of them can/are going to come down.

More importantly, we are not told what TYPE of angels they are. But our historical record and the Bible indicate that they can take on our form or look very similar to us, but when they do, they then die like we do.

This is all about DNA. The Bible says that we are created a little lower than the ANGELS, But on the other side we are greater than them. Now thats powerful because one of Gods angels killed 180,000 Assyrians in one night. God has gone to great extents to preserve our DNA from modification.

What you have to remember is that God is pure love. This creation was Hijacked from him and he sent somone to get it back.
The television shows shed light on the truth with all the historical information.

"There is Nothing New Under the Sun"

[Moon]

I agree with what cRush states for the most part. My problem is when the specialists in their fields are downright dismissive of what is presented to them. In the case of crop circles, there has been some very good research done by some experts. This research was simply dismissed by the mainstream scientists as either flawed or just wrong. They never even discussed the evidence, but dismissed it.

Also, Bill Nye the Science Guy is very dismissive to anything related to UFOs. He is almost condescending to people who have witnessed anything paranormal.

I do agree we need to treat everything we get in a skeptical point of view. We also need to study and look into what is being proposed and the evidence to support it.

But I do see why many in the paranormal field are frustrated by some of the debunkers out there.

[gerhard1]

The primary problem that I have with the idea of AAT is the lack of credible physical evidence. It was mentioned that the DNA from the elongated skulls found in South America will perhaps be the smoking gun that will finally convince even the most ardent skeptic.

If it is, then congratulations; you have shown that your case has at least some validity. But what if no smoking gun is found? Try not to be too disappointed if there is nothing found.

One question that I have is this: of all of the ET alleged encounters that have occured, where are the artifacts from these encounters? Are there any artifacts that can be shown to be of ET origin?

I have an open mind. I can be convinced. But the the utter lack of any evidence, except for that of a purely anecdotal nature, troubles me.

[Moon]

The primary problem that I have with the idea of AAT is the lack of credible physical evidence. It was mentioned that the DNA from the elongated skulls found in South America will perhaps be the smoking gun that will finally convince even the most ardent skeptic.

If it is, then congratulations; you have shown that your case has at least some validity. But what if no smoking gun is found? Try not to be too disappointed if there is nothing found.

One question that I have is this: of all of the ET alleged encounters that have occured, where are the artifacts from these encounters? Are there any artifacts that can be shown to be of ET origin?

I have an open mind. I can be convinced. But the the utter lack of any evidence, except for that of a purely anecdotal nature, troubles me.

Another way to prove ancient ET visitation is to show they are visiting today. It would be logical to presume they then did so in the past, although not the same types of species.

You are also correct about not having too many hopes set up about the DNA tests. However, the Starchild Skull has been shown to not be human at all. Right now they are trying to get funding to do a genome on the Starchild Skull. This will help answer the questions of many skeptics.

Also, if the DNA tests show anomalies in the elongated skulls, the next step will also be an expensive genome done.

Some may complain about the very high standards set for proving these ideas, but I think it is a good idea.

[gerhard1]

How about my question on the artifacts? Are there any that can be shown to be ET in origin?

[Don Morace]

Hi Folks,Don here.How about"everything we know was taught to us by the Anunakki"taken from one of the 22,000 clay tablets discovered at the Nineveh digsite.Don out..........................

[Moon]

How about my question on the artifacts? Are there any that can be shown to be ET in origin?

So far there are no artifacts shown to be extraterrestrial in origin. That would be another smoking gun type of evidence.

The documentary which is going to be released later this year claims to have proof of visitation, but it could be more of the same with alleged depictions of extraterrestrials.

[Foxlike Mulder]

How about my question on the artifacts? Are there any that can be shown to be ET in origin?

I think this is a fair question. But I also think it's worth considering a few things here before we place too much weight on absolutely seeing that physical evidence before making a conclusion.

In short, there are many articles and books with first hand testimony which leads almost any reader to conclude there have been some significant visitations in recent years (Rendlesham Forest being the most obvious to me personally). In the US, we send accused murderers to the death chamber with less testimony from less credible people than what I've seen on the UFO front. These testimonial accounts from high ranking military officers lead me to believe there is no other conclusion to make here. When you then balance that knowledge against the less obvious, but certainly visible agenda that the military and 3-letter agencies in the US government have with regard to the UFO phenomenon, one can believe there is a very aggressive campaign to keep the existence of UFOs, the artifacts, and anything else alien in nature under complete secrecy. The main contradiction lies in the US public stance that the US had investigated UFOs back in the 50s and 60s (Project Blue Book) and "there was no credible evidence to support further investigation"....which makes no sense whatsoever given the potential game-changing military breakthroughs this technology could reveal. Clearly we are the most aggressive military state in the history of the world spending more money on "defense" than any other rival nation (in 2009 we represented 45% of the entire world's military expenditures). That is a total contradiction...a country that is obsessed with everything "defense" isn't interested in UFO technology? Even when other countries' military personnel are reporting significant events/encounters (see COMETA report)? Not buying it. Shoot, we spent millions on remote viewing and pyschic research in the 1990s under the Stargate Project (which was declassified)...that makes more sense to the US Government than the UFOs and it's potential technology haul? I'm not buying it.

To me, we'll never see physical evidence unless it's a mistake/a surprise find that catches everyone off-guard/aliens land on the White House back lawn...or the US Government is ready to make the big reveal. However, there is plenty of testimonial evidence to let us draw some fairly strong conclusions that not only have they visited, they're still knocking on the door.

[Moon]

I do agree we send murderers to death row on eyewitness testimony and yet we do not put much weight on alien visitation. The main reason is aliens visiting the Earth needs to be proven scientifically and not through a court of law.

I do believe we have been visited based on such cases. I also know they cannot prove visitation actually happened without an actual piece of the craft or an alien themselves.

Remember, if alien visitation is shown to be real or have happened, it will change the world view on who we are and how we live. This would be very profound and it needs the highest of evidences to prove.

The debunkers want nothing less than a ship landing in a public park with an extraterrestrial walking out of it. Skeptics would be happy with an alien artifact or probe being found. I would also love for something concrete to show this is real, but it hasn't happened yet. As fun as the show is to watch, it has yet to show us any real proof of ancient visitation. It does have evidence to show something unusual happened, but it can be explained away as an earlier unknown civilization's technology.

[gerhard1]

I do agree we send murderers to death row on eyewitness testimony and yet we do not put much weight on alien visitation. The main reason is aliens visiting the Earth needs to be proven scientifically and not through a court of law.

I do believe we have been visited based on such cases. I also know they cannot prove visitation actually happened without an actual piece of the craft or an alien themselves.

Remember, if alien visitation is shown to be real or have happened, it will change the world view on who we are and how we live. This would be very profound and it needs the highest of evidences to prove.

The debunkers want nothing less than a ship landing in a public park with an extraterrestrial walking out of it. Skeptics would be happy with an alien artifact or probe being found. I would also love for something concrete to show this is real, but it hasn't happened yet. As fun as the show is to watch, it has yet to show us any real proof of ancient visitation. It does have evidence to show something unusual happened, but it can be explained away as an earlier unknown civilization's technology.

One thing to keep in mind is that there are hoaxes out there, and a few of them have fooled the scientific community. Piltdown Man comes to mind here. As a result, (plus a fair degree of closed-mindedness) they are determined to not be taken in again. And they cannot be blamed for this. What I find astounding is the refusal of mainstream scientists to even look at anything that is controversial. An example is New Hampshire's Mystery Hill. I understand that one mainstream archaeologist has denounced it as a fraud even though he has not examined any of the artifacts nor been to the place.

Now as to AAT, I am not convinced one way or the other myself. But the claims made by the AAT folks are, to put it mildly, extraordinary, and it might be wise to keep in mind, as you seem to be doing, that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. By this, I mean an artifact, at the very least. Or if the DNA tests mentioned earlier in this thread, show something, that would help. Sorry, but anecdotal evidence just is not enough.

Like I have said here in this site, I am open-minded. I can be convinced. All it takes is evidence.

[Moon]

Piltdown Man happened a long time ago and it not likely reoccur. I do agree there are many hoaxers out there who are trying to pull the wool over our eyes. Unfortunately, there are a few researchers or journalists who do not question anything they receive.

It may be possible to try to fool science, but dating and other testing methods have significantly improved.

[yerock III stoneman]

I agree with mercury, theres lots of resources today to flush out the phonies.
Here's a question on evidence. What if? ... Let's say that last year a recently discovered, hermetically sealed "chamber" was publicly opened. Scientists were unanimous, the chamber hadn't been touched for 8,697 years. Inside the chamber were found dozens of stones of different geometric shapes with peculiar markings on them.
After months of hard work, a computer programmer (is that even a term, still?), probably autistic, solved the riddle of the strangely marked stones. And they all fit together, like a rubics cube on steroids.
"It", was a document. An historical document. One "page" recorded the size, shape, mass, and overhead view of the earth. The next, the motions in the skies of the stars, planets, our sun and it's size, ect. It recorded the history of life on earth. At a certain point in the developement of man, it showed an alien-like head with information about which planet and sun the alien was from. It showed the alien taking some of it's own DNA and "threading it" into humans. The next "page" continued on with the history of the world up until @ 6700 bc., when the chamber was sealed.
There were no disputes about the authenticity or message of the "document". From religious leaders, scientists, right-wingers, left-overs, all their experts could do with each other was agree with the above stated facts.
Still, no smoking laser-gun, no crashed spacecraft, no stinking alien cattle-herder to come to your 2012 celebration, even though he's on your list as probable Guest of Honor.
Would that constitute evidence of AAT?
... Peace.

[Pons Asinorum]

I am fairly hard core about this stuff Stoneman, and think the examples for your question are quite good.

For me (IMHO):

• size and shape of the Earth -- no, it would not convince me (if from 9,000 year ago, it would convince me that there was a genius back then).
• the motions in the skies of the stars, planets, our sun -- no, that is knowable by direct observation (and if accurate enough can be projected forward and backward in time).
• overhead view of the Earth -- maybe, depending on details like continents or oceans (if so, then yes that would convince me).
• mass of the Earth -- yes, I would think that would be definitive proof.
• size of the Sun -- yes, I would think that would be definitive proof (same for the Moon, because visually, they look to be the same size).
• the rest -- not sure.

Interesting question -- trying to quantify the minimum acceptable definitive proof.

[yerock III stoneman]

Actually, my line of thinking was this: some very intelligent humans figured out all the facts that were recorded. (I may not have stated that explicitly, though). And they recorded the alien intervention info along with everything else. The alien was a part of the historical account, but that's it. ET didn't leave us the chamber, our ancestors did.
I may be giving them more credit than they deserve with the mass of the earth, ect. Maybe not. That's a different discussion. If it's a stickler point, downgrade the mass of the earth, ect to something less dramatic sounding.
Just a thought, from minimal-minded me.
... Peace.

[gerhard1]

I agree with mercury, theres lots of resources today to flush out the phonies.
Here's a question on evidence. What if? ... Let's say that last year a recently discovered, hermetically sealed "chamber" was publicly opened. Scientists were unanimous, the chamber hadn't been touched for 8,697 years. Inside the chamber were found dozens of stones of different geometric shapes with peculiar markings on them.
After months of hard work, a computer programmer (is that even a term, still?), probably autistic, solved the riddle of the strangely marked stones. And they all fit together, like a rubics cube on steroids.
"It", was a document. An historical document. One "page" recorded the size, shape, mass, and overhead view of the earth. The next, the motions in the skies of the stars, planets, our sun and it's size, ect. It recorded the history of life on earth. At a certain point in the developement of man, it showed an alien-like head with information about which planet and sun the alien was from. It showed the alien taking some of it's own DNA and "threading it" into humans. The next "page" continued on with the history of the world up until @ 6700 bc., when the chamber was sealed.
There were no disputes about the authenticity or message of the "document". From religious leaders, scientists, right-wingers, left-overs, all their experts could do with each other was agree with the above stated facts.
Still, no smoking laser-gun, no crashed spacecraft, no stinking alien cattle-herder to come to your 2012 celebration, even though he's on your list as probable Guest of Honor.
Would that constitute evidence of AAT?
... Peace.

I'd certainly be willing to consider such a thing if one were found. From your post, I'd say you were talking about something that has already been found. Are you? Or is this purely hypothetical?

[Moon]

The Ancient Alien episode last night showed many of the elongated skulls. David Hatcher Childress made a comment about them being tested for DNA and the results showing other than full human results.

I would constitute that as hard evidence if they then interviewed the lab which did the work and what the results were. He left us guessing, and that was a big problem.

[Serene]

It absolutely blows my mind that there are people who more than readily believe that there is a benevolent (really? not accordingto the old testament) almighty god in the heavens and a burning hell below, but they cannot comprehend that there are hundreds of billions of galaxies in our universe alone.

How can anyone even for a nano second doubt that there is life beyond earth out there? I mean, how can you not believe that there is alien life out there and that they may very well have visited earth before?

Although I'd certainly love to, personally - I don't NEED to see "proof" of that. My simple rather uneducated mind tells me that the probability is beyond any reasonable doubt.

[Ace Rimmer]

It absolutely blows my mind that there are people who more than readily believe that there is a benevolent (really? not accordingto the old testament) almighty god in the heavens and a burning hell below, but they cannot comprehend that there are hundreds of billions of galaxies in our universe alone.

How can anyone even for a nano second doubt that there is life beyond earth out there? I mean, how can you not believe that there is alien life out there and that they may very well have visited earth before?

Although I'd certainly love to, personally - I don't NEED to see "proof" of that. My simple rather uneducated mind tells me that the probability is beyond any reasonable doubt.

What she said!!!!