Where did the White Man come from?

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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby coomba98 » Sun May 01, 2011 10:01 pm

Without going into all the ancient texts and opinions, scientific facts only....

Ancient Rome is the earliest known culture of white peole? Say 2,100 years ago?
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Pons Asinorum » Sun May 01, 2011 10:55 pm

coomba98 wrote:Without going into all the ancient texts and opinions, scientific facts only....

Ancient Rome is the earliest known culture of white peole? Say 2,100 years ago?


As mentioned earlier, the traditional founding date of Rome is 753 BC or almost 2800 ago.

There are however, earlier cultures. The Ancient Greeks are one example (a bit older than the Romans). The Romans themselves were composed of earlier cultures that existed on the Italian peninsula (IIRC, various mountain and hill tribes). There were also European Neolithic cultures which date back to 6500 BC IIRC. Also Pelasgians, Minoans, Leleges, Iberians, Etruscans and Basques, which were there earlier than the Romans (7,000 BC if the sources of wikipedia are correct). Gailic is another older culture.

To a large extent, it depends on what context you mean by the word culture, but perhpas a more pertinent question might be along the lines of genetic research and when the variation to the SLC24A5 gene occurred that might shed the most accurate light on when Caucasian people first appeared (from my previous source, perhpas 6,000 to 12,000 years ago).
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby thesaint » Mon May 02, 2011 7:27 am

Majeston wrote:
thesaint wrote:
Majeston wrote:The Urantia Book

Paper 64

THE EVOLUTIONARY RACES OF COLOR
http://www.truthbook.com/index.cfm?linkID=1311#U64_5_2

lol there are some many things wrong with the information in that link my mind is blown.
You have been refering back to this book in almost all your post. Do you believe that this book is the only truth?



If you believe there is anything in error you should state exactly what is in error and back it up with supporting documentation. You may find disagreements with current daily changing theories but as new accurate scientific discoveries are made, they ALWAYS change to reflect the information in the Urantia revelation.

To answer your question, after 45 years of in depth research I know there are no errors in it. There is one typo and one instance of human typesetting error. Besides that you can rely on all 2097 pages of information as factual and spiritual truth.

Many thousands of people including some of the finest scientific minds on Earth has already travelled the skeptical road you propose and all come away with the same result, so don't think you are original or travelling virgin ground. Scientific "Theories". In one form or another change on a daily basis, the Urantia revelation does not. Before you do too much more LOLing you might want to do a little more in depth RESEARCHing. Just a suggestion mind you.


One thing ive notice about this forum is how people here think everything they say is gospel and are so quick to tell others to go do research whenever their gospel gets challenged. I know people who have been studying the bible for over 50 years and they still can't see the AAT in the bible. So it does not matter how long u been studying tht doc if u mind is already made up u won't be able to see the truth, just like the christian with their bible. Base on your post Seem to me u have spend 45 year trying to find evidence to back the book claims instead of searching for truth. Fyi i have done my research it would take me several post and lots of debating to show the problems with that 2000+ page doc and in the end it wont matter because your mind is already set in stone. After watching AAT and subscribing to the LT mag I thought this forum had more open minded people but from the few post i hve made, there seems to be alot of people wearing blinders.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby ilacewords » Mon May 02, 2011 7:28 am

Theory wrote:holy schmolys that is more than I thought! :shock: omg, could you imagine what that list would look like with all the ones before the 20th century and the ones we don't know about, good grief!!


Can you imagine if it also included our previous and current administation's handing of the Afghanistan & Iraq occupation?


Majeston wrote:Without God, without religion, scientific secularism can never co-ordinate its forces, harmonize its divergent and rivalrous interests, races, and nationalisms.


This simple statement is what I think is wrong with this whole view. You don't need an outside God to find spirituality. Jesus himself tried to preach this. The temple is within. Any religion that tells you otherwise is trying to enslave you.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Majeston » Tue May 03, 2011 1:05 pm

Hi Bob,

How are you doing with your geneology study of the Blue race? Were you able to key into the hint about the Basques and the Berbers? This might be an excellent source for you to research.
There are several references to the Cro-Magnon Blue race.
When I first came across the blue Fugates family in Kentucky,About 20 years ago, I read that one of their family members was undergoing some medical treatments to change his skin color. I wrote to him telling him that it was most likely normal for him and included the blue race information from the Urantia revelation. I never found out where he went from there.
http://www.truthbook.com/index.cfm?linkID=1327

9. THE THREE WHITE RACES

80:9.1 The racial blends in Europe toward the close of the Andite migrations became generalized into the three white races as follows:

1. The northern white race. This so-called Nordic race consisted primarily of the blue man plus the Andite but also contained a considerable amount of Andonite blood, together with smaller amounts of the red and yellow Sangik. The northern white race thus encompassed these four most desirable human stocks. But the largest inheritance was from the blue man. The typical early Nordic was long-headed, tall, and blond. But long ago this race became thoroughly mixed with all of the branches of the white peoples.
The primitive culture of Europe, which was encountered by the invading Nordics, was that of the retrograding Danubians blended with the blue man. The Nordic-Danish and the Danubian-Andonite cultures met and mingled on the Rhine as is witnessed by the existence of two racial groups in Germany today.
The Nordics continued the trade in amber from the Baltic coast, building up a great commerce with the broadheads of the Danube valley via the Brenner Pass. This extended contact with the Danubians led these northerners into mother worship, and for several thousands of years cremation of the dead was almost universal throughout Scandinavia. This explains why remains of the earlier white races, although buried all over Europe, are not to be found—only their ashes in stone and clay urns. These white men also built dwellings; they never lived in caves. And again this explains why there are so few evidences of the white man's early culture, although the preceding Cro-Magnon type is well preserved where it has been securely sealed up in caves and grottoes. As it were, one day in northern Europe there is a primitive culture of the retrogressing Danubians and the blue man and the next that of a suddenly appearing and vastly superior white man.
2. The central white race. While this group includes strains of blue, yellow, and Andite, it is predominantly Andonite. These people are broad-headed, swarthy, and stocky. They are driven like a wedge between the Nordic and Mediterranean races, with the broad base resting in Asia and the apex penetrating eastern France.
For almost twenty thousand years the Andonites had been pushed farther and farther to the north of central Asia by the Andites. By 3000 B.C. increasing aridity was driving these Andonites back into Turkestan. This Andonite push southward continued for over a thousand years and, splitting around the Caspian Sea and Black seas, penetrated Europe by way of both the Balkans and the Ukraine. This invasion included the remaining groups of Adamson's descendants and, during the latter half of the invasion period, carried with it considerable numbers of the Iranian Andites as well as many of the descendants of the Sethite priests.
By 2500 B.C. the westward thrust of the Andonites reached Europe. And this overrunning of all Mesopotamia, Asia Minor, and the Danube basin by the barbarians of the hills of Turkestan constituted the most serious and lasting of all cultural setbacks up to that time. These invaders definitely Andonized the character of the central European races, which have ever since remained characteristically Alpine.
3. The southern white race. This brunet Mediterranean race consisted of a blend of the Andite and the blue man, with a smaller Andonite strain than in the north. This group also absorbed a considerable amount of secondary Sangik blood through the Saharans. In later times this southern division of the white race was infused by strong Andite elements from the eastern Mediterranean.
The Mediterranean coastlands did not, however, become permeated by the Andites until the times of the great nomadic invasions of 2500 B.C. Land traffic and trade were nearly suspended during these centuries when the nomads invaded the eastern Mediterranean districts. This interference with land travel brought about the great expansion of sea traffic and trade; Mediterranean sea-borne commerce was in full swing about forty-five hundred years ago. And this development of marine traffic resulted in the sudden expansion of the descendants of the Andites throughout the entire coastal territory of the Mediterranean basin.
These racial mixtures laid the foundations for the southern European race, the most highly mixed of all. And since these days this race has undergone still further admixture, notably with the blue-yellow-Andite peoples of Arabia. This Mediterranean race is, in fact, so freely admixed with the surrounding peoples as to be virtually indiscernible as a separate type, but in general its members are short, long-headed, and brunet.
In the north the Andites, through warfare and marriage, obliterated the blue men, but in the south they survived in greater numbers. The Basques and the Berbers represent the survival of two branches of this race, but even these peoples have been thoroughly admixed with the Saharans.

This was the picture of race mixture presented in central Europe about 3000 B.C. In spite of the partial Adamic default, the higher types did blend.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Moon » Tue May 03, 2011 5:00 pm

Majeston wrote:I,ve read it Max. You and a few other people here should reread it as well and stop applying double standards. If you have something in particular to say then don,t be bashful, come right out and say it. If I inadvertantly say something that offends you then point it out and if it is valid I will be the first to offer my apologies. You should do the same.


How am I applying double standards to you? All I am getting at is to be more civil to others here. We do not need members talking down to each other. I am not calling you any names here and I do agree with some of your statements about science and religion combining forces. I actually agree our civilization has gone toward a materialistic route and has forgotten the spiritual side of mankind.

I will get the Urantia Book and read it cover to cover before I comment about it. I have only read the portions you put up here (computer screens can tire out my eyes so I am getting the book version).

I won't comment until after I have read it. How is that for a peace offering?

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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Polaris » Tue May 03, 2011 8:46 pm

I've not read the book either, I do have a question, if I may,
Are the roots of the Blue Race in Sumeria? and if not where.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Majeston » Wed May 04, 2011 5:03 pm

maxmercury wrote:
Majeston wrote:I,ve read it Max. You and a few other people here should reread it as well and stop applying double standards. If you have something in particular to say then don,t be bashful, come right out and say it. If I inadvertantly say something that offends you then point it out and if it is valid I will be the first to offer my apologies. You should do the same.


How am I applying double standards to you?
I will gather up the examples and provide them in another post, if that,s alright with you.
All I am getting at is to be more civil to others here. We do not need members talking down to each other. I am not calling you any names here and I do agree with some of your statements about science and religion combining forces. I actually agree our civilization has gone toward a materialistic route and has forgotten the spiritual side of mankind.

I will get the Urantia Book and read it cover to cover before I comment about it. I have only read the portions you put up here (computer screens can tire out my eyes so I am getting the book version).

I won't comment until after I have read it. How is that for a peace offering?
. LoL, well friend, that,s at least a beginning. . But, are you sure you can wait that long, it will take you at least a year to read it all and then at least 2 more readings and a few years of research before you really begin to be able to make insightful comments. Here,s an example for you, this gentleman has summa cum-laude Phd degrees in physics and mathematics, as well as numerous other intensive fields of study including religion, he set out in 1990 to disprove the revelation. He has now been teaching it for several years and will tell you with confidence there are no errors. He speaks the truth.
http://perfectinghorizons.org/

But, Lloyd, don,t do this peace offering for me, this is for you.


Lloyd


Max,(Lloyd)
This is just one of the lastest that have crossed the Urantia watchers radar....there are of course many many many more....
******Since 2008, the oldest rock on earth has been discovered by McGill University in the Nuvvuagittuq greenstone belt on the coast of Hudson Bay, in northern Quebec, and is dated from 3.8 to 4.28 billion years old.

******1934 Urantia revelation states-

57:8.11-13
This entire age was characterized by frequent and violent storms. The early crust of the earth was in a state of continual flux. Surface cooling alternated with immense lava flows. Nowhere can there be found on the surface of the world anything of this original planetary crust. It has all been mixed up too many times with extruding lavas of deep origins and admixed with subsequent deposits of the early world-wide ocean.

Nowhere on the surface of the world will there be found more of the modified remnants of these ancient preocean rocks than in northeastern Canada around Hudson Bay. This extensive granite elevation is composed of stone belonging to the preoceanic ages. These rock layers have been heated, bent, twisted, upcrumpled, and again and again have they passed through these distorting metamorphic experiences.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Polaris » Wed May 04, 2011 9:47 pm

coomba98 wrote:Hay I been entertaining this thought for a while now. I have studied it a bit but not that much.

As a white man I have thought, where is our homeland?

Afrians have... well Africa.
Orientals have... Asia manor.
Indians have.....Indus valley.
Am Indians have.. America. ( after taking away the theory of migration from Africa or Europe, as dont think this is fact yet. )

Then we have the white man. Were is our homeland? England. No we migrated their. Then you look into Europe and all early
cultures re: africans, asians and indians were already their 1st and set up shop!

My only logical conclusion is that we headed for the caves for thousands of years only to emerge white. lol. or;

We are a result of the interbreading of the AA's. Their personal sex slaves and we are their offspring. But then this a few holes in it as well.

Does anyone here know or have an opinion on where the white man came. As it seems from history we just popped up.


Here's my space...
There are six races in the solar system...
for the White race, their history starting from today is:
- they are on every continent, and prior to the circumnavigation of Africa,
- they were in Europe and Western Asia, and prior to that
- Southern Europe and Southwest Asia, then back to the start to, the
- Middle East and Abraham, and before Abraham was,
- Noah!! He was the man from whence the white man cometh...
- and that makes five races of man! and
The Ancients from Nibiru are the 6th race of our sun system. Arnold Enge (2011) unless there's more than one race from Nibiru :wink:
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby coomba98 » Thu May 05, 2011 1:42 am

Polaris,
Thanks for your post. I know white man has been everywhere on the planet that all other races have been.
The only thing is that the other races were there first. And they had civilisation!

My understanding of Noah being described as white, the Bible also states that he mirrors the image of the Watchers.
Aka Angels aka Gods. If we go by the Bible alone then all humans decended from Noah. Therfore all humans should be white.
Not the case.

Im my opinion I do not believe all white man decended from Noah ( If anyone was, its the Jews ). This is more of a group change,
that would most definately have occurred with many people. I also do not believe evolution could have changed the different
human races the way that they are now. With the time evolution has. ( bout 250,000 years since creation of man in religious texts and i think
its about 195,000 years scientific proof or fossil remains for homo-sapians. )

...was about to get into Nibiru but............ meh, my response at the end of this post viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2938

Still, everytime I think about this subject ( White mans homeland ), I think damn, no homeland, no civilisation, dont even think we got our first shamens/preists
until the English Duids in the early BC. We have no huge ancient monuments of any kind. No land. Nothing, prob. lol.

.... No wonder we are so violent! Like a child who does not have anything and see's a rich kid with everything..... I want that!! I want that!! War, invasion, plunder, slavery.. now mine!
To be honest, sometimes its abit depressing seeing the history of how white man spread accross the planet in a brutal, violent, occupational way. And were still doing it!
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Theory » Thu May 05, 2011 9:13 am

coomba98 wrote:.... No wonder we are so violent! Like a child who does not have anything and see's a rich kid with everything..... I want that!! I want that!! War, invasion, plunder, slavery.. now mine!
To be honest, sometimes its abit depressing seeing the history of how white man spread accross the planet in a brutal, violent, occupational way. And were still doing it!



What I find depressing is that war, invasion, plunder, slavery, greed, dictatorship has been what mankind has done as far back in history that we know of(long before white man came along), and mankind of all races today haven't learned anything from it other than how to make better weapons.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Polaris » Thu May 05, 2011 11:06 am

Coomba98,
Agreed - the white man, armed with engineering and science has a see, want and take history and not for a lack of a homeland (Iraq). Their path of destruction/colonization can be used to trace their roots...

I still hold to the thesis that those who interpret the Bible, past and present continue to believe the statement you made,
"If we go by the Bible alone then all humans descended from Noah." That is simply wrong and myopic.

The White man's religions cannot accept the fact that life did not begin with them (such conceit), because their Bible didn't tell them about the other races. Case in point, when Alexander the Great went on his conquests/colonizations and when he made it to the Indus Valley, he could not believe the mass of people and the ancientness of the culture. I can just imagine the conversation in the Vatican, "say what, their race is older than ours, no way man - we were the first, our bible tells us so, and it was given to us by God, and God is almight and God would not have left out such details" . Then the conversation would have gone, "how can we construe the facts so it fits with our view of the world"... our Adam and our Eve are the beginning of all creation" etc, etc, etc...

The above scenario repeated itself every time the white race "discovered" the other races of man - and it continues to this day! And when they got away with the lie the first time, they held to their beliefs - and anyone who disagreed, "well off with their heads". The last time they had to use the lie was in 1492...and the "discovery" of the New World of the Red race. And the white religions are now intractible in their position, because to concede now would be a Revelation of their Deceit - a house of cards...

History is replete with the tactics used by the white religions to support their claim, that all life on earth spawned from Noah. If they only accepted the fact that the Ancient Aliens created the five races equally, we can finally start on the journey to reach our potential...
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Majeston » Thu May 05, 2011 11:30 am

Polaris wrote:Snip....... If they only accepted the fact that the Ancient Aliens created the five races equally, we can finally start on the journey to reach our potential...


Just curious friend, where did you get this "FACT " that 5(sic) races were created EQUALLY? Randomly choose any two persons from any race and please show what they are "equal" about.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby coomba98 » Thu May 05, 2011 1:21 pm

Majeston,

Show me any two people from the same race that is considered equal. and then in what.
Does these two people have the same skills in the all the same activities? cooking, sport, etc, etc.

individuals are different, even identical twins cannot be concidered equal. As one may have a skill the other does not,
or knowledge and so on. And then their better at said skill but the other is better at this and so on.

Biological, overall where pretty much the same, apart from the obvious. All races have defects, morons, geniuses, troublemakers etc, etc.

No race is better then another. Individual people are, and then only at some skill or knowledge.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Polaris » Thu May 05, 2011 2:12 pm

coomba98 wrote:Majeston,

Show me any two people from the same race that is considered equal. and then in what.
Does these two people have the same skills in the all the same activities? cooking, sport, etc, etc.

individuals are different, even identical twins cannot be concidered equal. As one may have a skill the other does not,
or knowledge and so on. And then their better at said skill but the other is better at this and so on.

Biological, overall where pretty much the same, apart from the obvious. All races have defects, morons, geniuses, troublemakers etc, etc.

No race is better then another. Individual people are, and then only at some skill or knowledge.


Explaining concepts via email is difficult at the best of times, I guess that is why books are written and conferences are organized.
My statement of equally was meant to describe each race contributes equally to make the whole, which your last sentence sums up nicely...

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Majeston wrote:
Polaris wrote:Snip....... If they only accepted the fact that the Ancient Aliens created the five races equally, we can finally start on the journey to reach our potential...


Just curious friend, where did you get this "FACT " that 5(sic) races were created EQUALLY? Randomly choose any two persons from any race and please show what they are "equal" about.


My last post I think clarifies my intent... I certainly wasn't referring to individuals. However, this raises another issue... how did the ancients teach individual responsibility? I am leaning towards the use of astrology, one's sign gives one a sense of belonging to the whole and all the descriptors that accompany each sign. I have noticed that the Sumerians used it as did the Indus' (Indians) and Sinos (Asians) have each 12 signs - it is still in use today! Do you think these three races had common ancestors?
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Majeston » Thu May 05, 2011 6:41 pm

Polaris wrote:
coomba98 wrote:Majeston,

Show me any two people from the same race that is considered equal. and then in what.
Does these two people have the same skills in the all the same activities? cooking, sport, etc, etc.

individuals are different, even identical twins cannot be concidered equal. As one may have a skill the other does not,
or knowledge and so on. And then their better at said skill but the other is better at this and so on.

Biological, overall where pretty much the same, apart from the obvious. All races have defects, morons, geniuses, troublemakers etc, etc.

No race is better then another. Individual people are, and then only at some skill or knowledge.


Explaining concepts via email is difficult at the best of times, I guess that is why books are written and conferences are organized.
My statement of equally was meant to describe each race contributes equally to make the whole, which your last sentence sums up nicely...

Combined posts. Administration and Moderators can delete future double posts. Please use the edit function and add to the last post or wait until someone else has posted-MM

Majeston wrote:
Polaris wrote:Snip....... If they only accepted the fact that the Ancient Aliens created the five races equally, we can finally start on the journey to reach our potential...


Just curious friend, where did you get this "FACT " that 5(sic) races were created EQUALLY? Randomly choose any two persons from any race and please show what they are "equal" about.


My last post I think clarifies my intent... I certainly wasn't referring to individuals. However, this raises another issue... how did the ancients teach individual responsibility? I am leaning towards the use of astrology, one's sign gives one a sense of belonging to the whole and all the descriptors that accompany each sign. I have noticed that the Sumerians used it as did the Indus' (Indians) and Sinos (Asians) have each 12 signs - it is still in use today! Do you think these three races had common ancestors?



Of course, I was just being silly, who could possibly forget the signs of the zodiac.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby DivineQueer » Fri May 06, 2011 9:57 am

coomba98 wrote:Polaris,
Thanks for your post. I know white man has been everywhere on the planet that all other races have been.
The only thing is that the other races were there first. And they had civilisation!

According to the official version of History, that is, yes. However, if going by what ancient texts says, then the white race is evidently much older than official Historians wishes to admit. How much older, are, however, the question, but the fact that ancient blonde and redhaired Mummies, depictions, figurines and other artefacts have been found both in Ancient Egypt, China, Sumer and the whole of Mesopotamia, is very revealing.

My understanding of Noah being described as white, the Bible also states that he mirrors the image of the Watchers.
Aka Angels aka Gods. If we go by the Bible alone then all humans decended from Noah. Therfore all humans should be white.
Not the case.

I believe it is rather a half-truth; Noah may have been ONE of the surviving individuals that certain bloodlines stretches back to, but as Flood stories is also occurring over the whole Globe, including Africa, Greece, Egypt and China to mention only a very few of the destinations, then it must also be considered safe to assume that people of those ethnicities also survived, hence the diversity of races even in Post-Flood times.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby coomba98 » Sat May 07, 2011 12:57 am

DiveineQueer,

Thanks for the post. With regards to your reply:-

DivineQueer wrote:
coomba98 wrote:Polaris,
According to the official version of History, that is, yes. However, if going by what ancient texts says, then the white race is evidently much older than official Historians wishes to admit. How much older, are, however, the question, but the fact that ancient blonde and redhaired Mummies, depictions, figurines and other artefacts have been found both in Ancient Egypt, China, Sumer and the whole of Mesopotamia, is very revealing.

I I do not believe the white man is an older race in the history books or texts. Humans where always discribed as the blacked headed race, and as we were more suited to this planet and had darker skin so we coud do more outside work for the 'Gods'.
e.g. Half Homo-erectus half Alien. Or their abouts. White man did not pop up time Rome in my opinon. Civilisation wise. Society wise. Greek, Mesopotamia, were all black har tanned skin. ( Dont get sucker'd in to Hollywood stereotypes. )

My understanding of Noah being described as white, the Bible also states that he mirrors the image of the Watchers.
Aka Angels aka Gods. If we go by the Bible alone then all humans decended from Noah. Therfore all humans should be white.
Not the case.

I believe it is rather a half-truth; Noah may have been ONE of the surviving individuals that certain bloodlines stretches back to, but as Flood stories is also occurring over the whole Globe, including Africa, Greece, Egypt and China to mention only a very few of the destinations, then it must also be considered safe to assume that people of those ethnicities also survived, hence the diversity of races even in Post-Flood times.


I agree, I believe all decendence from Noah are the Jews. I do not go with the belief that all perished in the flood. But I do agree that most did.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Polaris » Sat May 07, 2011 7:59 am

DiveineQueer, et al,
Agreed the Jews trace their roots to Noah. I would be interested in where the Christians and the Muslims trace their roots.
Any ideas?
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Moon » Sat May 07, 2011 4:31 pm

Polaris wrote:DiveineQueer, et al,
Agreed the Jews trace their roots to Noah. I would be interested in where the Christians and the Muslims trace their roots.
Any ideas?


It is interesting because the story of Noah has been traced back to the Sumerians. Noah was not a Jew if a person like him did exist. There was an interesting program on the Discovery Channel about the Noah and the Flood myths where they traced it back before the Bible stories.

Basically, the Bible stole the story from another source.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Majeston » Sat May 07, 2011 4:47 pm

7. THE FLOODS IN MESOPOTAMIA

78:7.1
The river dwellers were accustomed to rivers overflowing their banks at certain seasons; these periodic floods were annual events in their lives. But new perils threatened the valley of Mesopotamia as a result of progressive geologic changes to the north.

For thousands of years after the submergence of the first Eden the mountains about the eastern coast of the Mediterranean and those to the northwest and northeast of Mesopotamia continued to rise. This elevation of the highlands was greatly accelerated about 5000 B.C., and this, together with greatly increased snowfall on the northern mountains, caused unprecedented floods each spring throughout the Euphrates valley. These spring floods grew increasingly worse so that eventually the inhabitants of the river regions were driven to the eastern highlands. For almost a thousand years scores of cities were practically deserted because of these extensive deluges.

Almost five thousand years later, as the Hebrew priests in Babylonian captivity sought to trace the Jewish people back to Adam, they found great difficulty in piecing the story together; and it occurred to one of them to abandon the effort, to let the whole world drown in its wickedness at the time of Noah's flood, and thus to be in a better position to trace Abraham right back to one of the three surviving sons of Noah.

The traditions of a time when water covered the whole of the earth's surface are universal. Many races harbor the story of a world-wide flood some time during past ages. The Biblical story of Noah, the ark, and the flood is an invention of the Hebrew priesthood during the Babylonian captivity. There has never been a universal flood since life was established on Urantia. The only time the surface of the earth was completely covered by water was during those Archeozoic ages before the land had begun to appear.

But Noah really lived; he was a wine maker of Aram, a river settlement near Erech. He kept a written record of the days of the river's rise from year to year. He brought much ridicule upon himself by going up and down the river valley advocating that all houses be built of wood, boat fashion, and that the family animals be put on board each night as the flood season approached. He would go to the neighboring river settlements every year and warn them that in so many days the floods would come. Finally a year came in which the annual floods were greatly augmented by unusually heavy rainfall so that the sudden rise of the waters wiped out the entire village; only Noah and his immediate family were saved in their houseboat.

These floods completed the disruption of Andite civilization. With the ending of this period of deluge, the second garden was no more. Only in the south and among the Sumerians did any trace of the former glory remain.


The remnants of this, one of the oldest civilizations, are to be found in these regions of Mesopotamia and to the northeast and northwest. But still older vestiges of the days of Dalamatia exist under the waters of the Persian Gulf, and the first Eden lies submerged under the eastern end of the Mediterranean Sea.



http://www.truthbook.com/index.cfm?linkID=1325
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Bob137 » Sun May 08, 2011 8:35 am

Hi Bob,

How are you doing with your genealogy study of the Blue race? Were you able to key into the hint about the Basques and the Berbers? This might be an excellent source for you to research.
There are several references to the Cro-Magnon Blue race.
When I first came across the blue Fugates family in Kentucky,About 20 years ago, I read that one of their family members was undergoing some medical treatments to change his skin color. I wrote to him telling him that it was most likely normal for him and included the blue race information from the Urantia revelation. I never found out where he went from there.

I have only got back to about 1200 AD, a gentleman from France, that went to England, then Scotland, and then Ireland, then America. I have also read of the Basques and Berbers, and a doctor of my mother's a Dr. Levine had checked, (many years ago), on certain blood differences such as in my family and had stated that it does go back to certain island tribes and also the Basques and Berbers. I have not been able to find his writings since, but I will look further, he was looking at both sides of the gene pool male and female descendants, but I never heard anymore on it, I only new that he was researching certain certain blood types and diseases, and RH Blood, and was pretty much ignored by the medical community on his findings. Such as I stated I will look further when I have time.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Polaris » Wed May 11, 2011 9:47 am

Not sure if we solved the original question or at least arrived at a consensus.
Going backwards in time, the last definitive place they came from was Europe and Russia.
Before that S. Europe (greece, italy etc) and western asia (slavic countries, turkey)
Before that you have to use their religions to trace them:
Christianity and Judeaism, +/- Islam (are the muslims currently considered white? probably not)
The middle east is where christianity and judeasim sprang from,
Thus the white man must have come from Sumeria (modern day Iraq)

P.S. I believe the homeland of the white man is Europe and Russia.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Majeston » Wed May 11, 2011 11:03 am

Polaris wrote:Not sure if we solved the original question or at least arrived at a consensus.
Going backwards in time, the last definitive place they came from was Europe and Russia.
Before that S. Europe (greece, italy etc) and western asia (slavic countries, turkey)
Before that you have to use their religions to trace them:
Christianity and Judeaism, +/- Islam (are the muslims currently considered white? probably not)
The middle east is where christianity and judeasim sprang from,
Thus the white man must have come from Sumeria (modern day Iraq)

P.S. I believe the homeland of the white man is Europe and Russia.



It,s solved, read the thread.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby coomba98 » Thu May 12, 2011 1:10 am

With my limited knowledge of this subject i understand that the Greeks and Mesopotamia were dark skinned and black hair.

Its only in the hollywood movies that their white and blonde.

Think of the latest Prince of Persia movie for one example. White man playing Persians!! What a joke.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby DivineQueer » Thu May 12, 2011 7:24 am

coomba98 wrote:With my limited knowledge of this subject i understand that the Greeks and Mesopotamia were dark skinned and black hair.


Alot were actually very mixed, and while The Sumerians were widely referred to as "The Blackheaded People" by their Gods, others, such as Intendant Ebish-II, were indeed very white.
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What concerns the Greeks, many of them were indeed blackhaired but many of them were also very light in complexion, such as this Athenian depiction of a maiden from 5th Century BC;
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Mixed couple depicted on Greecian Pot, 400 BC; Image

The God Apollo; Image

Some textual evidence comes here too; For instance, from the Phadra; "Ye gods! what joy to hark them on, to grasp the barbed dart, to poise Thessalian hunting-spears close to my golden hair, then let them fly. “
The antistrophe; "a thin veil o'ershadowing her head of golden hair.”
The Odessy; "Son of Arceisius- best friend I have in the world- pray to the blue-eyed damsel, and to Jove her father; then poise your spear and hurl it."


Its only in the hollywood movies that their white and blonde.

Totally wrong. Many Ancient cultures were very mixed; Genghis Khan were Blue eyed, Tutankhamun turned out to have a 99% match with Western European Y-Chromosomes and the Emperor Nero was described as having light blonde hair and blue eyes.

Think of the latest Prince of Persia movie for one example. White man playing Persians!! What a joke.

Why is it a joke that they chose Jake Gyllenhaal to play Prince of Persia? Alot of Ancient Persians were after all very "Caucasian looking" all into the 6th Century AD when the great invasions started. Before that, many Persians were blonde and even blue eyed.
In other words, there is nothing that speaks against Prince of Persia to have had these complexions.

What concerns the guy playing Prince of Persia, Jake Gyllenhaal, Disney explained the choise of him to play the part as this;
If we went back in time 1,700 years to the mythological era, all Iranians would look like Jake Gyllenhaal,” noted the Disney Middle Eastern consultant.

Link: http://www.therightperspective.org/2010 ... te-disney/

In short, there were no completely Black or completely White known Cultures in the past, apart from some areas in Africa and the North, as the majority were very mixed- almost as today but not as "blurred", or how to put it.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby AnuAtlantian » Fri May 13, 2011 9:17 pm

Noah is the earliest decribed white guy(book of enoch ch106), is discribed white as snow his skin, bright eyes, unlike us and resembles the angels(anunnaki, elohim).
His direct line 10th generation - Abraham is the grandfather of the 12 families of the nation of israel.
but others are also survivors of the deluge born from the Angels that make the rest of the races of mankind.
All survivors are demigods to enhance the DNA of the now more advanced humans today more than humans before Adam and Eve
Before the new civilized homosapiens Adam and Eve(adapa a demigod offspring of enki), humans before adam(Adapa), were more primative like the caveman for 250,000 years
Adam and eve till now is our new demigod species of civilized human about 8,500 years old.
Thats my story on different races on Earth
great posts everyone
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Polaris » Fri May 13, 2011 11:02 pm

AnuAtlantian wrote:Noah is the earliest described white guy (book of enoch ch. 106), is described with skin white as snow, bright eyes, unlike us and resembles the angels (annunaki, elohim).
His direct line 10th generation - Abraham is the grandfather of the 12 families of the nation of israel.
Others also survived the deluge, born from the Angels that make the rest of the races of mankind.

This part seems reasonable...
All survivors are demigods to enhance the DNA of the now more advanced humans today more than humans before Adam and Eve
Before the new civilized homosapiens Adam and Eve(adapa a demigod offspring of enki), humans before adam(Adapa), were more primative like the caveman for 250,000 years
Adam and eve till now is our new demigod species of civilized human about 8,500 years old.
Thats my story on different races on Earth


So begins the description of the White Race...from the caveman...
Your dates are suspect!
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby AnuAtlantian » Sat May 14, 2011 6:11 am

Thankyou, just going by biblical recorded age of the family of Adam. from Adam to Noah(ziusudra,utnaptizm)and the time of the flood was 1656 yrs. from birth of Shems son 2 yrs after the flood to Abraham about 3000 yrs. 400 yrs latter Moses time is 1500bc. Thats civilized mans first 5000 years. 3500 years later is now our 21st century. Our Advanced civilized human race biblical record makes us about 8,500 years old.

before us now we were a primative caveman human. Not civilized, born and engineered race to work(mine) for the gods and serve them. My personal date for the caveman human(cromagnon man) is 150,000 years ago. before that only the gods walked the Earth. (the gods meaning people from the heavens of another world.

The Ancient Astronauts- Anunnaki) The gods- original people (or star people) came here around 445,000 years ago to mine gold and refined into Monatomic gold. Gold past the melting point till it turns into a white powder gold. This form of gold has broken the bonds that make it the metal gold and now is just atoms of gold. A new form of exotic mater with superconductor antigravity properties. Spoken of in the bible and in Egypt the kings called it food of the gods when put into cakes.

For almost 300,000 yrs the Anunnaki worked the mines for gold and mutinied. Enki, a son of the king Anu, sugested bio engineering a hybrid of Anunnaki and earth hominid to make the cromagnon human(caveman) to be a worker for them. After over 100,000 years wanting a civilized man more in thier image to cultivate and shephard. The mating and births of demigod civilized man us homosapiens at least 8,500 years ago. the flood almost 7000 years ago wiped out the hominids and the caveman(cromagnon) human race.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Dr Z. » Sun May 15, 2011 7:26 am

coomba98 wrote:Hay I been entertaining this thought for a while now. I have studied it a bit but not that much.

As a white man I have thought, where is our homeland?

Afrians have... well Africa.
Orientals have... Asia manor.
Indians have.....Indus valley.
Am Indians have.. America. ( after taking away the theory of migration from Africa or Europe, as dont think this is fact yet. )

Then we have the white man. Were is our homeland? England. No we migrated their. Then you look into Europe and all early
cultures re: africans, asians and indians were already their 1st and set up shop!

My only logical conclusion is that we headed for the caves for thousands of years only to emerge white. lol. or;

We are a result of the interbreading of the AA's. Their personal sex slaves and we are their offspring. But then this a few holes in it as well.

Does anyone here know or have an opinion on where the white man came. As it seems from history we just popped up.


One must ask, in ancient times, where was white skin an advantage? In low temperatures or low sunlight, where the skin can process vitamins from the sun is a good answer to this question. It is plausible to suggest White people originated in the Northern areas, and adapted lighter skin during the last ice age.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Bob137 » Sun May 15, 2011 7:59 am

Since no one knows for sure where white man came from, maybe it is possible they came from Hyperborea, or Atlantis, and once disasters befell upon the earth, they migrated from their main island of Atlantis to other areas or from Hyperborea to other areas.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Polaris » Sun May 15, 2011 9:55 pm

The White Man can be traced back using the history of their religion.
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby mutatedannunaki » Mon May 16, 2011 1:23 am

I hope I am not stepping on any toes, but is there a explanation to why asian persons' eyes are 'slitted' and just 'different' to the rest of the world's populous?

I mean, evolutionary traits are usualy for a specific reason (Hair for colder areas, etc)...
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby coomba98 » Mon May 16, 2011 4:12 am

They were the ones that got to ride up front seat in the rocketships!

Lucky bastards. 8)
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Re: Where did the White Man come from?

Postby Theory » Mon May 16, 2011 5:57 am

Speaking of hair...if the white people were evolutionalized to withstand the colder climates then why don't ALL white people and Asians/Japanese have thick hair? I mean, considering most of our heat comes out the top of our heads it would make since for evolution to give these people thick hair wouldn't it? I personally have really thick hair but my mother, sis, and brother have extremely thin hair. Speaking of Asians/Japanese, they pretty much have the same climate as Europe don't they?, so why are they so different from the Europeans? Can't forget the eskimos too, I know it was mentioned before, but if you go by the evolution theory eskimos should have the fairest skin, lightest hair, and eyes, right?
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