Where did the White Man come from?

[Bob137]

The evolutionary Theory just does not consider all the differences, just some, it can not explain away all the differences, so they are usually just ignored, or explained as just part of the genre, when in all actuality those differences of each race, in the same areas, to me prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they really can not explain all the differences. I think different aliens brought about differences, or each of the DNA of peoples in different areas, that were made by the aliens, were tweaked to make different types of humans. From what I have read through the years, the aliens liked having sex with human women, which I too like having sex with our women, so I can't say I don't blame them for that, they just couldn't keep it in their pants! "Horny Aliens" we could have another movie on horny aliens, and horny humans. Oh! I forgot that has been done before a few times.

[Polaris]

My logic stems from a quote found in the clay tablets of Sumeria: "So it is below as it is above" (or something like that), thus there are 5 races of man on earth just as there are 5 races of Annunaki on Nibiru.

The Ancient Aliens' races seeded their uniqueness of DNA into their corresponding race on earth. While DNA will evolve to environmental factors, this latest batch of humans have not been around long enough for it to have a major impact... Eggshells litter the ground of this subject of race, please keep in mind that no race is better than any other:

Africa - (Black) black skin, curly hair, variable facial hair
Asian - (Yellow) brown skin, black hair, some facial hair, slanted eyes
Indus (Brown)- brown skin, black hair, round eyes
Europe (White)- pale skin, blonde hair, round eyes
America (Red) - brown skin, round eyes, no facial hair
The proboscus can also be used...

Also need to keep in mind that the above would describe the 'pure breed', our races have been mixing for millennia and there will be anomolies (hybrids), exceptions to the rule...

[coomba98]

The point about the 5 races on earth mirroring the 5 races on the Gods abode is something to think about. Seems logical.

[Pons Asinorum]

Speaking of hair...if the white people were evolutionalized to withstand the colder climates then why don't ALL white people and Asians/Japanese have thick hair? I mean, considering most of our heat comes out the top of our heads it would make since for evolution to give these people thick hair wouldn't it? I personally have really thick hair but my mother, sis, and brother have extremely thin hair. Speaking of Asians/Japanese, they pretty much have the same climate as Europe don't they?, so why are they so different from the Europeans? Can't forget the eskimos too, I know it was mentioned before, but if you go by the evolution theory eskimos should have the fairest skin, lightest hair, and eyes, right?

An evolutionary trait that appears in one population does not mean that it will automatically occur in another population facing a similar environment. There are different evolutionary adaptions and pathways for similar environments.

Remember, for an evolutionary trait to occur, a random mutation must happen that is subsequently selected via natural selection.

That random mutation is a single molecule amongst countless billions of molecules in the DNA. Indeed, given two different populations of a species, in two similar but isolated environments; it would be almost inexplicable for both populations to evolve the same trait.

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Also, please note that there are not multiple "races" of humans. There is only one race of humans by any meaningful definition of biology, genetics, or physiology. Contrary claims are simple fiction.

[Polaris]

Speaking of hair...if the white people were evolutionalized to withstand the colder climates then why don't ALL white people and Asians/Japanese have thick hair? I mean, considering most of our heat comes out the top of our heads it would make since for evolution to give these people thick hair wouldn't it? I personally have really thick hair but my mother, sis, and brother have extremely thin hair. Speaking of Asians/Japanese, they pretty much have the same climate as Europe don't they?, so why are they so different from the Europeans? Can't forget the eskimos too, I know it was mentioned before, but if you go by the evolution theory eskimos should have the fairest skin, lightest hair, and eyes, right?

An evolutionary trait that appears in one population does not mean that it will automatically occur in another population facing a similar environment. There are different evolutionary adaptions and pathways for similar environments.

Remember, for an evolutionary trait to occur, a random mutation must happen that is subsequently selected via natural selection.

That random mutation is a single molecule amongst countless billions of molecules in the DNA. Indeed, given two different populations of a species, in two similar but isolated environments; it would be almost inexplicable for both populations to evolve the same trait.

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Also, please note that there are not multiple "races" of humans. There is only one race of humans by any meaningful definition of biology, genetics, or physiology. Contrary claims are simple fiction.

Indeed on the one root on earth, made of two halves (female-male)...
It sprouted separate cultures originating in several of the earth's fertile river deltas.
Contrary claims are simply put - lies.

[Pons Asinorum]

/thread jack alert

A lie is a complicated construct, needing among other elements, a falsehood and an act of deception. It implies a deliberate act of dishonor.


A couple points about making accusations of "lies:"

Without evidence, making claims that unnamed others are making "lies" is the hallmark of intellectual cowardice. It denotes the inability to challenge an argument in a rational, honest, and comprehensive manner. It dismisses any possibility of an opponent as honorable or worthy (thus making one's own counter-arguments so much better in terms of consistency and completeness) and simply presents the accuser as weak and inept in defending his own positions.

In short, making accusations of "lies" is often the last resort of someone that cannot rationally defend their own arguments.

Accusing others of lying is so lame and weak as a practice, it is universally avoided. On this forum, I cannot recall but a single instance where disagreeing parties accused the other of propagating "lies" (the accuser did not last long and was subsequently banned for some other offense, long before I became a moderator). A person so quick to cast such aspersions on their fellow human beings, typically has other character weaknesses, which soon reveal themselves.

In short, accusing others of the act of lying (unnamed or otherwise), especially without any evidence or support, has a tendency to reflect badly on the accuser.


FWIW, my 2¢ -- apologies for the thread jack.

/thread jack end

[Polaris]

For the record I did not call anybody a liar and that includes you.
I do like your definition.

The last sentence of your previous post insinuated an act of deception "Contrary claims are simple fiction"
And I then applied your tactic back to you..."Contrary claims are simply put - lies."

But I am willing to debate the issue-at-hand and not the defintion...

What part of the post do you have a differing opinion on:
"Indeed on the one root on earth, made of two halves (female-male)...
It sprouted separate cultures originating in several of the earth's fertile river deltas..."

[Pons Asinorum]

Your quote:

Contrary claims are simply put - lies.

You claim "lies" exist in the presence of contrary claims.

Lies can only be implemented by rational agents (ie, human beings).

Your quote -- that you must now own -- is immutable testament to your accusation of any that hold a contrary claim.

Your pronouncement is explicit.

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My quote:

Contrary claims are simple fiction.

Note the absence of any claim of deception or lying.

Only the prior statement was challenged as fiction (in the context of accepted definitions in biology, genetics, and physiology).

The claim that the Earth is flat is fiction. That does not mean that those who hold such a belief are deceptive or are propagating lies (mistaken, misplaced faith, mental problems, ignorance -- maybe, but not "lies," not without overwhelming evidence).

I would never make such a pronouncement without overwhelming evidence. To me, such an act is dishonorable.

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The last sentence of your previous post insinuated an act of deception "Contrary claims are simple fiction"

False -- the "act of deception" is your assumption gained from words not written by me.

And I then applied your tactic back to you..."Contrary claims are simply put - lies."

False -- I called a statement of contrary claims a fiction, you called them lies. I would never claim people propagate lies as a mere tactic without evidence, you however had no such hesitation.


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What part of the post do you have a differing opinion on:
"Indeed on the one root on earth, made of two halves (female-male)...
It sprouted separate cultures originating in several of the earth's fertile river deltas..."

Separate cultures is not equivalent to multiple races -- one is a social term, the other a biological term. It is true that separate cultures developed on our world along fertile river deltas.

[Polaris]

Pons I see you are trying to provoke me... let me rephrase:

Indeed on the one root on earth, made of two halves (female-male)...
It sprouted separate cultures originating in several of the earth's fertile river deltas.
Contrary claims are simply put - distractions from the truth of the matter.

The early cultures that originated in these river deltas evloved into the races of man, as we see them today....

[Theory]

An evolutionary trait that appears in one population does not mean that it will automatically occur in another population facing a similar environment. There are different evolutionary adaptions and pathways for similar environments.

Remember, for an evolutionary trait to occur, a random mutation must happen that is subsequently selected via natural selection.

That random mutation is a single molecule amongst countless billions of molecules in the DNA. Indeed, given two different populations of a species, in two similar but isolated environments; it would be almost inexplicable for both populations to evolve the same trait.

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Also, please note that there are not multiple "races" of humans. There is only one race of humans by any meaningful definition of biology, genetics, or physiology. Contrary claims are simple fiction.

Thanks for the answers:0) Now on to the last part of your comment. I thought the term race was/is used for the classification of the human species Like if I was talking about the giant race of humans, I would be specifically talking about the extremely tall humans of the human species. I see the word species as the word to use when talking about the whole human family tree, and race is used to describe the different branches on this tree. What is the correct term to use to classify the different types of humans? What term would we use if we went to another planet that had generally the same type of aliens, but with different genetics(short, tall, purple, pink, ect.)? Wouldn't we say something like these purple race of aliens..... or these short race of aliens...., ect? or am I way off here or completely missing something?

I found this in the dictionary, yeah I had to check to see if I had lost mind lol
It does say afterwards, that the term race is being disputed as of right now for whatever reason. So technically its still alright to use the term race when one is speaking about skin color and whatever else, without it being deemed fictional

In the traditional biological and anthropological systems of classification race refers to a group of persons who share such genetically transmitted traits as skin color, hair texture, and eye shape or color: the white race; the yellow race.

[Pons Asinorum]

Thanks Theory. Your points are all true and valid, and I cannot contest them. I will simply offer this: as a matter of natural language, certainly race has meaning, but scientifically, it is undefined and although used, it is an imprecise term. It was in the context of strict biology and genetics, which I was speaking (albeit poorly).

Currently, our classification record may indicate something like this:

genus level:
Homo habilis
Homo ergaster
Homo heidelbergensis
Homo antecessor/mauritanicus
Homo erectus
Homo rhodesienis
Homo sapiens

species level:
Homo sapiens floresiensis (in debate)
Homo sapiens neanderthalensis (in debate)
Homo sapiens sapiens (modern humans or us)

Sub-cataloging Homo sapiens sapeins would be a sub-species. There is no meaningful way to catalog "race." Here is a fictional scheme defining the sub-species level and the "race" level:
Homo sapiens sapiens sapiens asian
Homo sapiens sapiens sapiens african
etc

It is ridiculous. Alternatively, we could just equate the sub-species level to the "race" level:

Homo sapiens sapiens asian
Homo sapiens sapiens african
etc

But...sub-species of Homo sapiens sapiens do not exist (scientifically), so this classification is simply false.

In any event, all are scientifically undefined. This means there is no logical way to sub-categorize Homo sapiens sapeins based on the current schema used by biologists.

The genetic record is even worse, as it indicates that all modern humans have extraordinarily low genetic differences when compared to differences contained in other mammal species, specifically other primates. In fact the genetic differences in our species are meaningless in terms of defining a sub-species or "race." This means there is no statistically valid way to sub-categorize Homo sapiens sapeins with DNA.

"Race" does not have a real distinction in the scientific realm -- in other words, fictional in the scientific context, which was the only point I was trying to make.

[Our hypothetical alien species that is similar to us might fit into a different genus, like Alien sapiens (and its species would be Alien sapiens sapiens) or even into our species if the similarities were quite close, like Homo sapien alien. If there were no biological/DNA differences of any significance, then they would be Homo sapiens sapiens in a strict scientific view.]

"Race" has a social, political and geographical context, but not a scientific one.



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Polaris, wise choice running away from your original words.

Your attempt to plagiarize my words is much better and closer in concept, (still flawed, but a large improvement nevertheless). In the future, please feel free to copy my words exactly, as it will save you considerable time and effort.

[Polaris]

Pons,
Let's take our discussion off-line, your personal attacks detract from the point at hand and your pompous attitude doesn't help either. I have noticed those tactics on your 'contributions' to other discussion board topics...

[Pons Asinorum]

Pons,
Let's take our discussion off-line, your personal attacks detract from the point at hand and your pompous attitude doesn't help either. I have noticed those tactics on your 'contributions' to other discussion board topics...

If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

Let's review, you plagiarized me and called people that disagree with your claims liars. When that did not work, you disavowed responsibility for your words and then plagiarized me again. When that was called out, you then resorted to name-calling (pompous attitude and contributions in quotes -- your first instance of name-calling btw, congrats!).

Now you are upset that your behavior was answered in terms you chose and seek to take this off-line (your smartest move in this whole affair).

I have a better idea -- stop attacking people. That is all you have to do, and we are good (I rarely hold grudges and certainly not in this matter).

If you must pursue this matter, then you may contact me via PM.

[gf1075]

Our DNA says that we all came from the same place but the science and study of DNA is new just like AA and if you go down to the quantum level of DNA we don't understand much. By the way everybody knows that white people originated in New York City!

[Bob137]

You sure it wasn't Jersey, or San Antonio, or L.A.?

[Polaris]

This is not the first time PA has interrupted my discussions with that attitude, completely derailing the train of thought... I would like to call into question his Moderator status!
A vote, if you will...
those for, raise your hand

[Pons Asinorum]

...if you go down to the quantum level of DNA we don't understand much.

So true, GF. Even our formal logic and common sense seems to fail on the quantum level. Our rules about mutually exclusive properties (like wave vs particles) totally fails. Also on the molecular level, there is so much about DNA that we do not understand -- including a plausible theory for how it came into existence.

[Majeston]

...if you go down to the quantum level of DNA we don't understand much.

So true, GF. Even our formal logic and common sense seems to fail on the quantum level. Our rules about mutually exclusive properties (like wave vs particles) totally fails. Also on the molecular level, there is so much about DNA that we do not understand -- including a plausible theory for how it came into existence.

You know Pons, for an obviously fairly intelligent guy, you can be so amazingly dense that you could even state that conclusion. You should be ashamed of yourself. You have a great leap to make concerning reality and I fear you will fall very short if you continue down the road you are on. It,s a shame really. You have such potential, maybe I,m just a very poor judge of character. I,m sure you do well in a material academic world of illusion and scientific fantasy, dominated by such clueless individuals as Dawkins, and Hawkings and others like them.

[Moon]

I really don't like to play the kindergarten teacher here, but I have to keep reminding people to be civil. The Legendary Times Forum is for all of us, even those who have different viewpoints. Name calling and personal attacks are never needed. We had a period of time when this place got down right nasty, and I intend to stop that from happening again. If that means issuing warnings (three strikes you're out), then so be it. Everybody here is equally intelligent, but come across different ideas on the who, what, where and whys of life. Please respect ALL opinions and peoples here.

Thank you,

Lloyd

[Majeston]

I really don't like to play the kindergarten teacher here, but I have to keep reminding people to be civil. The Legendary Times Forum is for all of us, even those who have different viewpoints. Name calling and personal attacks are never needed. We had a period of time when this place got down right nasty, and I intend to stop that from happening again. If that means issuing warnings (three strikes you're out), then so be it. Everybody here is equally intelligent, but come across different ideas on the who, what, where and whys of life. Please respect ALL opinions and peoples here.

Thank you,

Lloyd

Max,
What,s the reason for your red post? I haven,t seen any outrageous personal attacks by anyone here, or even anyone being "uncivil". I know that following a conclusion by Pons that there is no plausible explanation for DNA to appear on Earth, I used the word dense. I certainly hope you are not referring to that as a " personal attack, or uncivil".
There are are only two possible explanations for DNA. Either the aliens made it or it appeared as an accident. We know it did not appear out of the blue as an accident, that stretches the boundries of even the most fertile sci-fi imagination or any wacked out scientific non-intelligent design "theory" du jour.
That leaves only one plausible explanation which just happens to be the truth, no matter what anyone presents as being not plausible as some kind of irrational rationality derived from illogical logic.
If, on the other hand you are referring to the exchange Pons is having with Polaris and Polaris,s bringing into question the conflict of interests of Pons posting and moderating, that certainly is valid and this conflict of interests is not limited to him alone.
You should remember that no man can serve two masters without serious hypocrisy developing or one favoring another.
From what I can tell, most of us here are adults and correspond with a fairly reasonable sense of decorum, but, though you state an idealistic theory that everyone is equally intelligent, I think even you know that,s not true just as it isn,t true that all races are equally intelligent as was stated earlier in this thread. If you think it is true, then please present supporting documentation because I have never experienced it. I certainly know that I am not as intelligent as some and more intelligent than some others I,ve encountered. But, I digress, I see no need for sudden flaming red moderation intervention and threats to the discussion. But, then again I,m not an officially sanctioned and trained social moderator so, your mileage may vary. One last observation Max, beginning your post, referring to many adults here as kindergardeners, several perhaps your senior in many ways, is really quite offensive. I,ve seen this tactic used all too often.

[gf1075]

Do an experiment to find waves and you will find waves do an experiment to find particles and you will find particles I am sure advanced life forms don't sit around shooting light through two small slits they don't have to they understand what's going on around them our understanding of our universe is at it's very infancy I do believe in EVE Theory but Eve is a couple of billion years old and many light years from earth or maybe even at a higher demension that really does not matter all things on the quantum level behave the same including DNA we just have not come close to understanding. Yes and just maybe the white man did come from new jersey.

[Polaris]

It's homeland Middle East-Europe-West Asia

Yes
No
Other, please describe (in 52 words or less )

[Pons Asinorum]

Mea culpa -- I forgot that there is a scientifically plausible theory regarding how DNA came into existence (I forgot, my bad) -- called Panspermia, and if true, may actually bolster AA Theory.

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Thanks for the reminder Lloyd.

Majeston's current rant is because he took offense that I would dare to conclude that there are no plausible theories for how DNA came into existence (although correct that my statement was in error, why he would take offense to it is most strange). He offered no data, no reasoned opinion, no references -- nothing but personal attacks.

The remarks Majeston had directed toward me are just some base-falsehoods and name-calling (and therefore boring and trivial). He often cannot address a topic with a civil tone or argue in a logical manner, and therefore needs to resort to name-calling and such. He is just being true to his nature. Based on his past history with other members, this behavior is not surprising.

[Polaris' attacks are exclusively aimed at me, which is fine as he has just cause and I have no problem with that (his name-calling is low key and rare). Despite his anger with me, Polaris has been well within the rules and should not, even remotely, be grouped with Majeston.]

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Do an experiment to find waves and you will find waves do an experiment to find particles and you will find particles I am sure advanced life forms don't sit around shooting light through two small slits they don't have to they understand what's going on around them our understanding of our universe is at it's very infancy I do believe in EVE Theory but Eve is a couple of billion years old and many light years from earth or maybe even at a higher demension that really does not matter all things on the quantum level behave the same including DNA we just have not come close to understanding. Yes and just maybe the white man did come from new jersey.

All valid GF, IMHO, but so too is the converse -- the wave/particle duality, what if that is the key to understanding the fabric of reality as opposed to being a trivial feature of reality -- the means to understanding uniform behavior on all levels -- quantum and macro reality, spacial and temporal dimensions, perhaps a genesis code of life embedded in the DNA itself? (Einstein did beleive in a uniform behavior on the quantum level and in fact beleived that current model of quantum physics is flawed precisely because of its random nature -- he spent the last decades of his life trying to prove it. He did come up with something...)

No way to know for sure right now, because, as you stated, we are indeed in our infancy.

[coomba98]

I agree with Max that their needs to be some.... directional advice towards peaceful transitions.

Have you ever noticed that humans are so... objectional. Every opinion someone has is disagreed by another,
said other would speak their mind and degrade and humiliate. I think this is one of the main faults of humanity.

Like religion for example. I personally am ashamed of what religion has done to humanity overall. Yet I do understand
it does good to some, in a certain way, the way to live life fir example. eg. 10 commandments. I agree. To a certain %.

If you asked me what I thought of the christian church ( not today, the history ) you'd probably turn white.

Yet when confronted with these moments I dont speak up, as to speak up would cause drama. Dont like drama, unless its kinky.

What im trying to say is we all have the urge to dispute others opinions or degrade others etc etc. It just takes civilised discipline to get through life peacefully.

"When you find peace within yourself, you become the kind of person who can live at peace with others.”
Im gonna steal this one and say its my own. My precious. ( sorry had to put it in )

[gf1075]

There is a lot to be said about wave/particle duality I have been trying to understand their complexities for years Albert himself said that the laws of big and small things alike should be be simple enough for the common person to understand.Our brain is the only organ in our body that is not functioning at 100 percent (thank god it's not our livers) I feel that when we finally come out of our deep sleep that we our now in we will all understand light,panspermia and where we have come from to list a few.But in the meantime we will have to use the very limited brain power we have to figure things out (It's so easy a patient clerk can do it) I do think that a good read for some on this board would be The Bond by Lynne McTaggart it gives a good understanding of why us humans our so objectional.

[Bob137]

gf another good read is "The Fall" by Steven Taylor, it gives an understanding of our becoming smarter in some areas and dumber in others due to our ego explosion.

[gf1075]

thanks Bob will try to check it out this weekend

[Majeston]

There is a lot to be said about wave/particle duality I have been trying to understand their complexities for years Albert ".....snip.

GF does this help you a bit?

42:4.10
Throughout all of this never-ending metamorphosis of energy and matter we must reckon with the influence of gravity pressure and with the antigravity behavior of the ultimatonic energies under certain conditions of temperature, velocity, and revolution. Temperature, energy currents, distance, and the presence of the living force organizers and the power directors also have a bearing on all transmutation phenomena of energy and matter.

The increase of mass in matter is equal to the increase of energy divided by the square of the velocity of light. In a dynamic sense the work which resting matter can perform is equal to the energy expended in bringing its parts together from Paradise minus the resistance of the forces overcome in transit and the attraction exerted by the parts of matter on one another.

The existence of pre-electronic forms of matter is indicated by the two atomic weights of lead. The lead of original formation weighs slightly more than that produced through uranium disintegration by way of radium emanations; and this difference in atomic weight represents the actual loss of energy in the atomic breakup.

The relative integrity of matter is assured by the fact that energy can be absorbed or released only in those exact amounts which Urantia scientists have designated quanta. This wise provision in the material realms serves to maintain the universes as going concerns.

The quantity of energy taken in or given out when electronic or other positions are shifted is always a "quantum" or some multiple thereof, but the vibratory or wavelike behavior of such units of energy is wholly determined by the dimensions of the material structures concerned. Such wavelike energy ripples are 860 times the diameters of the ultimatons, electrons, atoms, or other units thus performing. The never-ending confusion attending the observation of the wave mechanics of quantum behavior is due to the superimposition of energy waves: Two crests can combine to make a double-height crest, while a crest and a trough may combine, thus producing mutual cancellation.

http://www.truthbook.com/index.cfm?linkID=1289#U42_4_14


And

41:5.6 Energy, whether as light or in other forms, in its flight through space moves straight forward. The actual particles of material existence traverse space like a fusillade. They go in a straight and unbroken line or procession except as they are acted on by superior forces, and except as they ever obey the linear-gravity pull inherent in material mass and the circular-gravity presence of the Isle of Paradise.

Solar energy may seem to be propelled in waves, but that is due to the action of coexistent and diverse influences. A given form of organized energy does not proceed in waves but in direct lines. The presence of a second or a third form of force-energy may cause the stream under observation to appear to travel in wavy formation, just as, in a blinding rainstorm accompanied by a heavy wind, the water sometimes appears to fall in sheets or to descend in waves. The raindrops are coming down in a direct line of unbroken procession, but the action of the wind is such as to give the visible appearance of sheets of water and waves of raindrops.

The action of certain secondary and other undiscovered energies present in the space regions of your local universe is such that solar-light emanations appear to execute certain wavy phenomena as well as to be chopped up into infinitesimal portions of definite length and weight. And, practically considered, that is exactly what happens. You can hardly hope to arrive at a better understanding of the behavior of light until such a time as you acquire a clearer concept of the interaction and interrelationship of the various space-forces and solar energies operating in the space regions of Nebadon. Your present confusion is also due to your incomplete grasp of this problem as it involves the interassociated activities of the personal and nonpersonal control of the master universe—the presences, the performances, and the co-ordination of the Conjoint Actor and the Unqualified Absolute.

http://www.truthbook.com/index.cfm?linkID=1288

[gf1075]

Very interesting never had time to read all of the Urantia book (it's pretty tough reading)though I do find it very interesting and it does agree with a lot of my hard core beliefs. Anything in there pointing to where the white man originated?

[Majeston]

Very interesting never had time to read all of the Urantia book (it's pretty tough reading)though I do find it very interesting and it does agree with a lot of my hard core beliefs. Anything in there pointing to where the white man originated?

GF1075,
You need to read the thread, I posted all the information already.
Yes, it,s tough reading and even tougher comprehending mainly due to the fact that our educational system is dominated by a clueless scientific establishment that has a powerful interest in maintaining the status quo since that is where all their funding and obscene finances come from and in particular from tax dollars. It is a self perpetuating morass of mediocrity. The so-called establishment and media have the population so brainwashed that they cannot distinguish truth from fiction even when it stares them right in the face.
Yes, it is tough reading, but this Summa cum-laude physicist and mathematician has done the heavy lifting for many who find it difficult. Chris began in 1990 to disprove it. He now teaches it. You should spend a few hours listening to or watching at this site"...
http://perfectinghorizons.org/

You just might find yourself laughing along with them instead of at them.

[Moon]

Max,
What,s the reason for your red post? I haven,t seen any outrageous personal attacks by anyone here, or even anyone being "uncivil". I know that following a conclusion by Pons that there is no plausible explanation for DNA to appear on Earth, I used the word dense. I certainly hope you are not referring to that as a " personal attack, or uncivil".
There are are only two possible explanations for DNA. Either the aliens made it or it appeared as an accident. We know it did not appear out of the blue as an accident, that stretches the boundries of even the most fertile sci-fi imagination or any wacked out scientific non-intelligent design "theory" du jour.
That leaves only one plausible explanation which just happens to be the truth, no matter what anyone presents as being not plausible as some kind of irrational rationality derived from illogical logic.
If, on the other hand you are referring to the exchange Pons is having with Polaris and Polaris,s bringing into question the conflict of interests of Pons posting and moderating, that certainly is valid and this conflict of interests is not limited to him alone.
You should remember that no man can serve two masters without serious hypocrisy developing or one favoring another.
From what I can tell, most of us here are adults and correspond with a fairly reasonable sense of decorum, but, though you state an idealistic theory that everyone is equally intelligent, I think even you know that,s not true just as it isn,t true that all races are equally intelligent as was stated earlier in this thread. If you think it is true, then please present supporting documentation because I have never experienced it. I certainly know that I am not as intelligent as some and more intelligent than some others I,ve encountered. But, I digress, I see no need for sudden flaming red moderation intervention and threats to the discussion. But, then again I,m not an officially sanctioned and trained social moderator so, your mileage may vary. One last observation Max, beginning your post, referring to many adults here as kindergardeners, several perhaps your senior in many ways, is really quite offensive. I,ve seen this tactic used all too often.

My post was pointed to those who like to use condescending terms and names toward each other. I did not mention any names, but just wanted those who are engaging in such behavior to stop it. My use of the word kindergarteners fits here because of the behavior by some members. I am not making any reference to anyone's intelligence here, just their behavior. I (and the other moderators and administrators) do not like to see name calling and nasty comments made to others here. For example:

You know Pons, for an obviously fairly intelligent guy, you can be so amazingly dense that you could even state that conclusion. You should be ashamed of yourself.

The above is not necessary to write here. If one disagrees with another that is fine, but the above goes too far. A simple "I disagree with your ideas" is enough, not calling them dense and saying they should be ashamed of themselves.

The use of red is what angry teachers use, and I do not want to have to be the angry teacher on this forum. If you are insulted by being referred to as a kindergartener, then please act like the mature intelligent adult I know you are.

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Majeston what makes you think Iam laughing at anyone?

[Polaris]

Speaking of hair...if the white people were evolutionalized to withstand the colder climates then why don't ALL white people and Asians/Japanese have thick hair? I mean, considering most of our heat comes out the top of our heads it would make since for evolution to give these people thick hair wouldn't it? I personally have really thick hair but my mother, sis, and brother have extremely thin hair. Speaking of Asians/Japanese, they pretty much have the same climate as Europe don't they?, so why are they so different from the Europeans? Can't forget the eskimos too, I know it was mentioned before, but if you go by the evolution theory eskimos should have the fairest skin, lightest hair, and eyes, right?

An evolutionary trait that appears in one population does not mean that it will automatically occur in another population facing a similar environment. There are different evolutionary adaptions and pathways for similar environments.

Remember, for an evolutionary trait to occur, a random mutation must happen that is subsequently selected via natural selection.

That random mutation is a single molecule amongst countless billions of molecules in the DNA. Indeed, given two different populations of a species, in two similar but isolated environments; it would be almost inexplicable for both populations to evolve the same trait.

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Also, please note that there are not multiple "races" of humans. There is only one race of humans by any meaningful definition of biology, genetics, or physiology. Contrary claims are simple fiction.

So Pons, after all the hullaballoo that began with the last sentence of this post - how many races, in your view, are there on earth,
1
2
3
4 or
5
or more,
or less, as I would not want to deny you that option, in all fairness.

[Pons Asinorum]

IMHO, it depends on how one defines "race."

* Socially: guessing 4ish.
* Politically: dozens, if the US Census form is any indication.
* Geographically: guessing hundreds.
* By hair color: guessing thousands.
* By skin shade: guessing millions.
* Scientifically: ZERO -- trick question as there is no such biological classification that I know of, but...

...if we were to present a fictional classification AND if:

* Race = Species, then ONE (homo sapien sapiens).
* Race = Sub-species, then ZERO (science recognizes no living sub-species of homo sapien sapiens).
* Race = Sub-sub-species, then ZERO (science recognizes no living sub-species of homo sapien sapiens and therefore no sub-sub-species is logically possible under this classification system).

If race has some other definiton (say, by religion or mystic faith or some other beleif system), then the answer could be from ZERO to INFINITE.

(Just IMHO, so feel free to disregard if anything is offensive to anyone.)

[Polaris]

IMHO, it depends on how one defines "race."

* Socially: guessing 4ish.
* Politically: dozens, if the US Census form is any indication.
* Geographically: guessing hundreds.
* By hair color: guessing thousands.
* By skin shade: guessing millions.
* Scientifically: ZERO -- trick question as there is no such biological classification that I know of, but...

...if we were to present a fictional classification AND if:

* Race = Species, then ONE (homo sapien sapiens).
* Race = Sub-species, then ZERO (science recognizes no living sub-species of homo sapien sapiens).
* Race = Sub-sub-species, then ZERO (science recognizes no living sub-species of homo sapien sapiens and therefore no sub-sub-species is logically possible under this classification system).

If race has some other definiton (say, by religion or mystic faith or some other beleif system), then the answer could be from ZERO to INFINITE.

(Just IMHO, so feel free to disregard if anything is offensive to anyone.)

much more civil...

It's your classification of the social races that is nearest the number that I have, please indulge me if you will on the 4ish... your definition of social may be my definition of geographic as
I was leaning more toward the geographic races being 5 - I could be wrong.

Would the Social Sciences have a definition of race?, just a thought.