The Enuma Elish as interpreted by Coomba98

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The Enuma Elish as interpreted by Coomba98

Postby coomba98 » Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:00 pm

I thought I would make a new post setting out the Enuma Elish from beginning to end give the correct text
and then my interpretation. Im in my lunch break at the moment so this will only be a small part until I get home.
But will take a few days to finish so bear with me.

Ill start with the setting of the text before I get into it. ( Like Sitchin set the scene when he told his interpretation. )

This story in my view is set on the planet of the Gods. No name has been given to this planet in the Enuma Elish text.
The Gods obviously had divisions, Enlil and Enki, Zeus and Hera, etc etc. Two distinct sides. Think of the Gods name as a district ( example. Marduk is the USA and Tiamat is Iraq )lol

The Seven Tablets of Creation, translated by Leonard William King, [1902], at sacred-texts.com.
Interpretation breakdown of the texts by Coomba98. aka Michael Lee Pajic [2011], at legendarytimes.com.

Tablet One

1. When in the height heaven was not named,
2. And the earth beneath did not yet bear a name,
3. And the primeval Apsû, who begat them,
4. And chaos, Tiamat, the mother of them both,—
5. Their waters were mingled together,
6. And no field was formed, no marsh was to be seen;
7. When of the gods none had been called into being,
8. And none bore a name, and no destinies [were ordained];


Let me stop here and explain how I read this.
Heaven was not named as this is the early days of the Gods society. The earth did not have a name because its the start of their history. Or it could mean the land. Heaven as the northern parts and the earth beneath. Don’t know though.

Apsu is the place where one of the people of that world originated. Tiamat is the other great nation or society. ( two opposing sides! ) East and West for example.

They tried to get along but couldnt, no alliance just an uneasy peace. ( look at our world and the different cultures with different views )
This is before the other Gods came into being. Re: Districts,

9. Then were created the gods in the midst of [heaven],
10. Lahmu and Lahamu were called into being [...].
11. Ages increased, [...],
12. Then Anshar and Kishar were created, and over them [...].
13. Long were the days, then there came forth [...]
14. Anu, their son, [...]
15. Anshar and Anu [...]
16. And the god Anu [...]
17. Nudimmud, whom his fathers [his] begetters [...]
18. Abounding in all wisdom, [...]
19. He was exceeding strong [...]
20. He had no rival [...]
21. (Thus) were established and [were ... the great gods (?)].


Then the 'Gods' where created in the midst of Heaven? If we look at the Gods as a city or District point then Heaven and earth
could mean the land. Anyway:-
Two new Districts sprung up Lahmu and Lahamu.
After a long time came Anshar and Kishar. ( More districts, kinda like the planet is being populated by these beings that reside in these districts.
Another long period of unknown time and Anu and Anshar interact and does something that is unknown.
Nudimmud sounds like the most high tech city or society. As he had no rival.
Thus were established the Great Gods ( Districts )

So we have all these great cities/societies popping up all over this world.

22 . But T[iamat and Âpsû] were (still) in confusion [...],
23. They were troubled and [...]
24. In disorder(?) ... [...]
26. And Tiamat roared [...]
25. Apsû was not diminished in might [...]
27. She smote, and their deeds [...]
28. Their way was evil ... [...] ...


Tiamat, who is one of the two big/main Districts is not happy about something. Probably because the more districts that pop up the more she is opposed. Dont know, the text does not tell you at this stage. She cries to some of the districts and probably does a few warning attacks, but Apsu is not diminished or worried. Tiamat hits again. It is obvious that the evil way was Tiamat. But at this stage it is not explained.

29. Then Apsû, the begetter of the great gods,
30. Cried unto Mummu, his minister, and said unto him:
31. "O Mummu, thou minister that rejoicest my spirit,
32. "Come, unto Tiamat let us [go]!"
33. So they went and before Tiamat they lay down,
34. They consulted on a plan with regard to the gods [their sons].
35. Apsû opened his mouth [and spake],
36. And unto Tiamat, the glistening one, he addressed [the word]:
37. "[...] their way [...],
38. "By day I cannot rest, by night [I cannot lie down (in peace)].
39. "But I will destroy their way, I will [...],
40. "Let there be lamentation, and let us lie down (again in peace)."


Here the Apsu is now taking notice of Tiamat and warned his minister.
So they visit Tiamat to seek peace. As it is clear to 'lay down' is to come in peace. The times they mention this it is in a pleading way to an aggressor.

41. When Tiamat [heard] these words,
42. She raged and cried aloud [...].
43. [She ...] grievously [...],
44. She uttered a curse, and unto [Apsû she spake]:
45. "What then shall we [do]?
46. "Let their way be made difficult, and let us [lie down (again) in peace]."
47. Mummu answered, and gave counsel unto Apsû,
48. [...] and hostile (to the gods) was the counsel Mu[mmu gave]:
49. "Come, their way is strong, but thou shalt destroy [it];
50. "Then by day shalt thou have rest, by night shalt thou lie down (in peace)."
51. Apsû [hearkened unto] him and his countenance grew bright,
52. [Since] he (i.e. Mummu) planned evil against the gods his sons.
53. [...] he was afraid [...],
54. His knees [became weak(?)], they gave way beneath him,
55. [Because of the evil] which their first-born had planned.
56. [...] their [...] they altered(?).
57. [...] they [...],
58. Lamentation [...] they sat in [sorrow] '


On hearing of peace Tiamat gets angry, probably because she did not get her way, dont know. She cursed everyone and from how the text plays out most likely declares war.
A council between Apsu and Mummu to get out of the city safely. Then Mummu is planning evil against the sons of the Gods. Probably thinking of changing sides. Then Apsu is thinking of what is to come and he gets scared.

59. [...]
60. Then Ea, who knoweth all that [is], went up and he beheld their muttering.
61. [...]
62. [...] ... his pure incantation
63. [...] ... [...]
64. [...]
65. [...] misery
66. [...]
67. [...]
{lines 68-82 are wanting.]
83. [...]
84 [...] ...
85. [...] the god Anu,
86. [... an aven]ger.
87. [...]
88. [...] and he shall confound Tiamat.
89. [...] he ...
90. [...] for ever.
91. [...] the evil,
92. [...] ... he spake:
93. "[...] thy [...] he hath conquered and
94. " [...] he [weepeth] and sitteth in tribulation(?).
95. "[...] of fear,
96. "[...] we shall not lie down (in peace).
97. "[...] Apsû is laid waste(?),
98. "[...] and Mummu, who were taken captive, in [...]
99. "[...] thou didst, ...
100. "[...] let us lie down (in peace).
101. "[...] ... they will smite (?) [...].
102. " [...] let us lie down (in peace).
103. "[...] thou shalt take vengeance for them,
104. "[...]unto the tempest shalt thou [...]!"
105. [And Tiamat hearkened unto] the word of the bright god, (and said):


Not alot is legible here as the tablet is to badly damaged.
This is where Ea comes into the picture and appears to do some damage to Tiamat's forces. Something about a plan to confound Tiamat but really not enough to go on and to make a definative guess
on what is going on here. Anu seems to have a go at Tiamat as well, and after Anu it seems all the societies/small Nations refused peace with Tiamat.
Not that she asked for peace!. lol

But the Apsu is laid waste, what this means is either they got destroyed or did the destroying. In truth, unknown. But the fact the Anshar is now the leader probably means they got destroyed. Especially when taking into account that one word alone can completely change the perception of a sentence. And theres so many unknown words in this text. Not only words but whole lines!!

I think the Apsu got hurt abit as the line 103 seems to lead towards the gods seeking vengence for them ( the people of the Apsu ).
So I guess war was the outcome. Not just any war a ..... world war?

106. "[...] shalt thou entrust! let us wage [war]!"
107. [...] the gods in the midst of [...]
108. [...] for the gods did she create.'
109. [They banded themselves together and] at the side of Tiamat [they] advanced;
110. [They were furious, they devised mischief without resting] night and [day].
111. [They prepared for battle], fuming and raging;
112. [They joined their forces] and made war.
113. [Ummu-Hubu]r, who formed all things,
114. [Made in addition] weapons invincible, she spawned monster-serpents,
115. [Sharp of] tooth, and merciless of fang;
116. [With poison instead of] blood she filled [their] bodies.
117. Fierce [monster-vipers] she clothed with terror,
118. [With splendour] she decked them, [she made them] of lofty stature.
119. [Whoever beheld] them, terror overcame him,
120. Their bodies reared up and none could withstand [their attack].
121. [She set] up vipers, and dragons, and the (monster) [Lahamu],
122. [And hurricanes], and raging hounds, and scorpion-men,
123. And mighty [tempests], and fish-men, and[rams];
124. [They bore] cruel weapons, without fear of [the fight].
125. Her commands [were mighty], [none] could resist them;
126. After this fashion, huge of stature, [she made] eleven (monsters).
127. Among the gods who were her sons, inasmuch as he had given [her support],
128. She exalted Kingu; in their midst [she raised] him [to power].
129. To march before the forces, to lead [the host],


This part refers to Tiamat gathering her forces together. Setting up her army. Who probably refers to the missing [...] at the atart of 106 (Kingu?). Still nothing about celestial abodes. And the scorpion-men mentioned in line 122 are seen in some Sumerian wall depictions or clay tablets. So the host of the Great Nation of Tiamat gather their forces appoint leaders and ready to march to war against her enemy The Great Nation of Apsu and their allies.

On line 108 refering to 'for the gods did she create' my understanding of this is out of the two Great Nations Apsu and Tiamat all the Gods came from here. The people of Anu migrated from one of the
two Great nations. As in the begining before the Gods came into being their was only Tiamat and Apsu. The Mother Nation and the Father Nation.

130. To give the battle-signal, to advance to the attack,
131. To direct the battle, to control the fight,
132. Unto him she entrusted; in [costly raiment] she made him sit, (saying):
133. "I have uttered thy spell, in the assembly of the gods I have raised thee to power.
134. "The dominion over all the gods [have I entrusted unto him].
135. "Be thou exalted, thou my chosen spouse,
136. "May they magnify thy name over all [of them ... the Anunnaki]."
137. She gave him the Tablets of Destiny, on [his] breast she laid them, (saying):
138. "Thy command shall not be without avail, and[the word of thy mouth shall be established]."
139. Now Kingu, (thus) exalted, having received [the power of Anu],
140. [Decreed] the fate among the gods his sons, (saying):
141. "Let the opening of your mouth [quench] the Fire-god;
142. "Whoso is exalted in the battle, let him [display (his) might]!"


This part is the inauguration of Kingu. The Tablet of Destiny is obviously a powerful item. Wheather its the mark of office like the Presidency or Kingship ( As Tiamat is considered female.
Maybe the Queen at the time was call Tiamat, but I dont think so ) or a weapon of power. As this is stated to be something that can be stolen confirmed by the Zu texts.

End of Tablet One.

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I just got my book back. At the start of the book in the 'legend' part it states that [Words in this area are taken from other texts undamaged. Re: Their Akkadian or Old Babylon and New Babylon etc. etc. ]
Unknown words are ...... or [...]. But ill still work with the Sacred Texts version as this is the one I started with.

Now let the curtains rise for the next part. Lights, Camera, Action:-

Tablet Two

1. Tiamat made weighty her handiwork,
2. [Evil] she wrought against the gods her children.
3. [To avenge] Apsû, Tiamat planned evil,
4. But how she had collected her [forces, the god ...] unto Ea divulged.
5. Ea [hearkened to] this thing, and
6. He was [grievous]ly afflicted and he sat in sorrow.
7. [The days] went by, and his anger was appeased,


This text refers to Ea unknowingly divulging some sort of information to Tiamat making her collect her forces or power together. Ea found out about what he unknowingly did and noticed Tiamats forces.
Maybe his anger was appeased because he decided to align with his father and his allies? Why? Ralistically. Unknown.

8. And to [the place of] Anshar his father he took[his way].
9. [He went] and standing before Anshar, the father who begat him,
10. [All that] Tiamat had plotted he repeated unto him,
11. [Saying, "Ti]amat our mother hath conceived a hatred for us,
12. "With all her force she rageth, full of wrath.
13. "All the gods have turned to her,
14. "[With] those, whom ye created, they go at her side.
15. "They are banded together and at the side of Tiamat they advance;
16. "They are furious, they devise mischief without resting night and day.
17. "They prepare for battle, fuming and raging;
18. "They have joined their forces and are making war.


Here Ea runs to his father to warn how some of the districts are turning towards Tiamat.
The names of these districts are unknown. What we do know ( going by this line of thought ) is that the Gods are districts or the like. Nobody remembers the little army/armies that join the bigger fight and ultimately loses. You just know the bigger foe! ( Talking ancient stuff here not the well documented tales of today )

19. "Ummu-Hubur, who formed all things,
20. "Hath made in addition weapons invincible, she hath spawned monster-serpents,
21. "Sharp of tooth, and merciless of fang.
22. "With poison instead of blood she hath filled their bodies.
23. "Fierce monster-vipers she hath clothed with terror,
24. "With splendour she hath decked them, she hath made them of lofty stature.
25. "Whoever beholdeth them is overcome by terror,"
26. "Their bodies rear up and none can withstand their attack.
27. "She hath set up vipers, and dragons, and the
28. "And hurricanes and raging hounds, and scorpion-men,
29. "And mighty tempests, and fish-men and rams;
30. "They bear cruel weapons, without fear of the fight.
31. "Her commands are mighty, none can resist them;
32. "After this fashion, huge of stature, hath she made eleven (monsters).
33. "Among the gods who are her sons, inasmuch as he hath given her support,
34. She hath exalted Kingu; in their midst she hath raised him to power.
35. "To march before the forces, to lead the host,
36. "To give the battle-signal, to advance to the attack,
37. "[To direct] the battle, to control the fight,
38. "Unto him [hath she entrusted]; in costly raiment she hath made him sit, (saying):
39. "'[I have uttered] thy [spell], in the assembly of the gods I have raised thee to power,
40. "'[The dominion over all] the gods have I entrusted [unto thee].
41. "'[Be thou exalted], thou [my chosen spouse],
42. "'[May they magnify thy name over all of them ...] ...'
43. "[She hath given him the Tablets of Destiny, on his breast she] laid them, (saying):
44. "'[Thy command shall not be without avail], and the [word] of thy mouth shall be established.'
45. "[Now Kingu, (thus) exalted], having received the power of Anu,
46. "Decreed the fate [for the gods, her sons], (saying):
47. "'Let [the opening of your mouth] quench the Fire-god;
48. "'[Whoso is exalted in the battle], let him display (his) might!'"


Here it talks about the forces of Tiamat in some detail. Hi tec weapons and spawning monster-serpents. The monster-serpent part i liken to the old Roman wars against the Saxtons. The Saxtons 'spawned' giant vicious dogs
that they releast metres from the Roman shield wall causing devistation and holes for the Saxtons to pour through. Although the dogs were not giants per say, just big ones. More mention of Kingu's status as comander or lead army. His/their might! ( As Kingu could be a specific person not a city/nation. ) Or.... I see 11 Monsters and Tiamat. That comes to 12. That mystical number! Maybe its 12 va 12?

49. [When Anshar heard how Tiamat] was mightily in revolt,
50. [...], he bit his lips,
51. [...], his mind was not at peace,
52. His [...], he made a bitter lamentation:
53. [...] battle,
54. "[...] thou ....
55. "[Mummu and] Apsû thou hast smitten,
56. "[But Tiamat hath exalted Kin]gu, and where is one who can oppose her?"
57. [...] deliberation
58. [ ... the ... of] the gods, N[u]di[mmud]
[ A gap of about ten lines occurs here.]
(69) [...]
(70) [...]
(71) [...]


Anshar one of the third generation cities/nation found that Tiamat is causing trouble. But apart from that its hard to understand because of the many many unknown words and sentences.

(72) [Anshar unto] his son addressed [the word]:
(73) "[...] ... my mighty hero,
(74) "[Whose] strength [is great] and whose onslaught cannot be withstood,
(75) "[Go] and stand before Tiamat,
(76) "[That] her spirit [may be appeased], that her heart may be merciful.
(77) "[But if] she will not hearken unto thy word,
(78) "Our [word] shalt thou speak unto her, that she may be pacified."
(79) [He heard the] word of his father Anshar
(80) And [he directed] his path to her, towards her he took the way.
(81) Anu [drew nigh], he beheld the muttering of Tiamat,
(82) [But he could not withstand her], and he turned back.


Here Anshar persuades Anu to go to Tiamat to seek peace or at least back off. But when Anu approched they become fearful and withdraw.
( Sounds like Anu is closer to Tiamat then Anshar geographically. As Anu is the offspring of Anshar maybe they moved closer to secure or protect the border of Anshar.
Therfore 'Whose strenght is great and whose onslaught cannot be withstood.' Sounds like his prasing them as great warriors.

(82) [But he could not withstand her], and he turned back.
(83) [...] Anshar
(84) [...] he spake unto him:
(85) "[...] upon me
[A gap of about twenty lines occurs here.]
(104) [...]
(105) [...] an avenger [...]
(106) [...] va[liant]
(107) [...] in the place of his decision
(108) [...] he spake unto him:
(109) "[...] thy father
(110) "Thou art my son, who maketh merciful his heart.
(111) " [...] to the battle shalt thou draw nigh,
(112) "[...] he that shall behold thee shall have peace."
(113) And the lord rejoiced at the word of his father,
(114) And he drew nigh and stood before Anshar.
(115) Anshar beheld him and his heart was filled with joy,
(116) He kissed him on the lips and his fear departed from him.
(117) "[O my father], let not the word of thy lips be overcome,
(118) "Let me go, that I may accomplish all that is in thy heart.
(119). "[O Anshar], let not the word of thy lips be overcome,
(120) ". [Let me] go, that I may accomplish all that is in thy heart."
(121) "What man is it, who hath brought thee forth to battle?


Not alot can be understood at the start of this part but it is clear that Anu could do nothing, and in the missing gaps Marduk became the hero. This is clear as the next hero is Mardu. But what he did, is unfortunately unknown. Tablets to damaged. Anshar appears to be saying to Marduk that if he goes to battle and wins this war, he will offer him peace. What this means is unknown as Anshar and Marduk sound like allies. Maybe he talks about world peace. But unknown. Marduk accepts. lol. As Barnie on How I met your Mother would say. "Challenge Accpeted!"

(122) "[...] Tiamat, who is a woman, is armed and attacketh thee."
(123) "[...] ... rejoice and be glad;
(124) "The neck of Tiamat shalt thou swiftly trample under foot.
(125) "[...] ... rejoice and be glad;
(126) "[The neck] of Tiamat shalt thou swiftly trample under foot.
(127) "O my [son], who knoweth all wisdom,
(128) "Pacify [Tiama]t with thy pure incantation.
(129) "Speedily set out upon thy way,
(130) "For [thy blood (?)] shall not be poured out, thou shalt return again."
(131) The lord rejoiced at the word of his father,
(132) His heart exulted, and unto his father he spake:
(133) "O Lord of the gods, Destiny of the great gods,
(134) "If I, your avenger,
(135) "Conquer Tiamat and give you life,
(136) "Appoint an assembly, make my fate preeminent and proclaim it.
(137) "In Upshukkinaku seat yourselves joyfully together,
(138) "With my word in place of you will I decree fate.
(139) "May whatsoever I do remain unaltered,
(140) "May the word of my lips never be changed nor made of no avail."


Here it appears that Marduk has been in battle as in the first line "Tiamat, who is a woman, is armed and attacketh thee." Border incursions. And it seems to be working as
(124) "The neck of Tiamat shalt thou swiftly trample under foot. But Tiamat's army is many. Then Marduk makes a request to daddy that if they wins this war, can they be apart of the assembly, and may whatsoever Marduk does
or says remains unaltered? May the word of their lips never be changed nor made of no avail?

End of Tablet Two

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Tablet Three

1. Anshar opened his mouth, and
2. [Unto Gaga], his [minister], spake the word:
3. "[O Gaga, thou minis]ter that rejoicest my spirit,
4. ''[Unto Lahmu and Lah]amu will I send thee.
5. "[...] thou canst attain,
6. ''[...] thou shalt cause to be brought before thee.
7. [... let] the gods, all of them,
8. "[Make ready for a feast], at a banquet let them sit,
9. "[Let them eat bread], let them mix wine,
10. ''[That for Marduk], their avenger, they may decree the fate.
11. "[Go,] Gaga, stand before them,
12. ''[And all that] I, tell thee, repeat unto them, (and say):
13. "[Anshar], your son, hath sent me,
14. "[The purpose] of his heart he hath made known unto me.
15. "[He saith that Tia]mat our mother hath conceived a hatred for us,
16. "[With all] her force she rageth, full of wrath.
17. "All the gods have turned to her,
18. "With those, whom ye created, they go at her side.
19. ''They are banded together, and at the side of Tiamat they advance;
20 . "They are furious, they devise mischief without resting night and day.
21. ''They prepare for battle, fuming and raging;
22. "They have joined their forces and are making war.
23. "Ummu-Hubur, who formed all things,
24. "Hath made in addition weapons invincible, she hath spawned monster-serpents,
25. "Sharp of tooth and merciless of fang.
26. "With poison instead of blood she hath filled heir bodies.
27. "Fierce monster-vipers she hath clothed with terror,
28. "With splendour she hath decked them, she hath made them of lofty stature.
29. "Whoever beholdeth them, terror overcometh him,
30. "Their bodies rear up and none can withstand their attack.
31. "She hath set up vipers, and dragons, and the (monster) Lahamu,
32. "And hurricanes, and raging hounds, and scorpion-men,
33. "And mighty tempests, and fish-men, and rams;
34. They bear merciless weapons, without fear of the fight.
35. "Her commands are mighty, none can resist them;
36. "After this fashion, huge of stature, hath she made eleven (monsters).
37. "Among the gods who are her sons, inasmuch as he hath given her [support],
38. "She hath exalted Kingu; in their midst she hath raised [him] to power.
39. ''To march before the forces, [to lead the host],
40. "[To] give the battle-signal, to advance [to the attack],
41. "[To direct] the battle, to control the [fight],
42. "Unto him [hath she entrusted; in costly raiment] she hath made him sit, (saying):
43. "'[I have] uttered thy spell, in the assembly of the gods [I have raised thee to power],
44. "'[The] dominion over all the gods [have I entrusted unto thee].
45. "'[Be] thou exalted, [thou] my chosen spouse,
46. "' May they magnify thy name over all of [them ... the Anunnaki].'
47. "She hath given him the Tablets of Destiny, on his breast she laid them, (saying):
48. "'Thy command shall not be without avail, and the word of [thy] mouth shall be established.'
49. "Now Kingu, (thus) exalted, having received [the power of Anu],
50. "Decreed the fate for the gods, her sons, (saying):
51. "'Let the opening of your mouth quench the Fire-god;
52. "'Whoso is exalted in the battle, let him display (his) might! '


This part fills in some of the missing gaps earlier on in this tablet. The coucil of Anshar ( as Apsu was destroyed Anshar is the new leader of the..... lets call them the East and Tiamat the West. )
So the council has come together and their feasting away. They speak of Marduk as an ally and Tiamats growing forces, tech and movements. Kingu is mentioned as an enemy to fear!

53. ''I sent Anu, but he could not withstand her;
54. "Nudimmud was afraid and turned back.
55. "But Marduk hath set out, the director of the gods, your son;
56. ''To set out against Tiamat his heart hath prompted (him).
57. "He opened his mouth and spake unto me, (saying):
58. "'If I, your avenger,
59. "'Conquer Tiamat and give you life,
60. "'Appoint an assembly, make my fate preeminent and proclaim it.
61. "'In Upshukkinaku seat yourselves joyfully together;
62. "'With my word in place of you will I decree fate.
63. "'May whatsoever I do remain unaltered,
64. "'May the word of my lips never be changed nor made of no avail.'


This part is where Anshar advises the council that he sent Anu, but he failed. Then he sent Nudimmud, but he shi.... turned back. Marduk, one of the Nations/Cities ( So not all Gods turned to Tiamat!! ) puffed out their
chests and proclaimed they could conquer Tiamats forces so long as they could be apart of the Assembly and have their word as law! ( Sounds like a High King or Emperor! )

65. "Hasten, therefore, and swiftly decree for him the fate which you bestow,
66. "That he may go and fight your strong enemy!"
67. Gaga went, he took his way and
68. Humbly before Lahmu and Lahamu, the gods, his fathers,
69. He made obeisance, and he kissed the ground at their feet.
70. He humbled himself; then he stood up and spake unto them, (saying):
71. "Anshar, your son, hath sent me,
72. ''The purpose of his heart he hath made known unto me.
73. "He saith that Tiamat our mother hath conceived a hatred for us,
74. "With all her force she rageth, full of wrath.
75. "All the gods have turned to her,
76. "With those, whom ye created, they go at her side.
77. "They are banded together and at the side of Tiamat they advance;
78. ''They are furious, they devise mischief without resting night and day.
79. "They prepare for battle, fuming and raging;
80. ''They have joined their forces and are making war.


The council accepts and Anshar sends Marduk forward to defeat Tiamat. ( Maybe due to their warlike way they were masters of battle and therefore lead all the armies of the east against the west, Tiamat. )
Both forced ready and oppose each other.......

81. ''Ummu-Hubur, who formed all things,
82. "Hath made in addition weapons invincible, she hath spawned monster-serpents,
83. "Sharp of tooth and merciless of fang.
84. "With poison instead of blood she hath filled their bodies.
85. ''Fierce monster-vipers she hath clothed with terror,
86. "With splendour she hath decked them, she hath made them of lofty stature.
87. ''Whoever beholdeth them, terror overcometh him,
88. "Their bodies rear up and none can withstand their attack.
89. ''She hath set up vipers, and dragons, and the (monster) Lahamu,
90. "And hurricanes, and raging hounds, and scorpion-men,
91. ''And mighty tempests, and fish-men, and [rams];
92. "They bear merciless weapons, without fear of the fight.
93. "Her commands are mighty, none can resist them;
94. ''After this fashion, huge of stature, hath she made eleven (monsters).
95. ''Among the gods who are her sons, inasmuch as he hath given her support,
96. "She hath exalted Kingu; in their midst she hath raised him to power.
97. "To march before the forces, to lead the host,
98. ''To give the battle-signal, to advance to the attack,
99. "To direct the battle, to control the fight,
100. ''Unto him hath she entrusted; in costly raiment she hath made him sit, (saying):
101. "'I have uttered thy spell, in the assembly of the gods I have raised thee to power,
102. "'The dominion over all the gods have I entrusted unto thee.
103. "'Be thou exalted, thou my chosen spouse,
104. "'May they magnify thy name over all of them ... the Anunna[ki].'
105. "She hath given him the Tablets of Destiny, on [his] breast [she laid them], (saying):
106. "'Thy command shall not be without avail, [and the word of thy mouth shall be established].
107. "Now Kingu, (thus) exalted, [having received the power of Anu],
108. "[Decreed the fate] for the gods, her sons, (saying):
109. "'Let the opening of your mouth [quench] the Fire-god;
110. "'Whoso is exalted in the battle, [let him display] (his) might!'
111. "I sent Anu, but he could not [withstand her];
112. "Nudimmud was afraid and [turned back].
113. "But Marduk hath set out, the director of the[gods, your son];
114. "T o set out against Tiamat [his heart hath prompted (him)].


Ansahr who is amongt the armie of the East see's first hand Tiamats army. And thinks to himself/themselves Anu I sent, Nudimmud i sent, But it will be Marduk ( Tiamats son ) who will take you down.

Sounds like we have a bit more information on Marduk. His a turn coat. Was one of the districts/cities under Tiamat who then turned onto Apsu now Anshars side. They could be good warriors, or they could just know the in's and out's of Tiamiat's army and how it works. Or both. Regardless it is clear he was on Tiamats side.

115. "He opened his mouth [and spake unto me], (saying):
116. "'If I, [your avenger],
117. "'Conquer Tiamat and [give you life],
118. "'Appoint an assembly, [make my fate preeminent and proclaim it].
119. "'In Upshukkinaku [seat yourselves joyfully together];
120. "'With my word in place of [you will I decree fate].
121. "'May whatsoever [I] do remain unaltered,
122. "'May the word of [my lips] never be changed nor made of no avail.'
123. ''Hasten, therefore, and swiftly [decree for him] the fate which you bestow,
124. "That he may go and fight your strong enemy!"


Here Marduk repeats their bargin to the Anshar and the East that if they defeat Tiamat then they are apart of the Assembly etc, etc. And Anshar confirms and says:- ''Hasten, therefore, and swiftly [decree for him] the fate which you bestow That he may go and fight your strong enemy"

125. Lahmu and Lahamu heard and cried aloud,
126. All of the Igigi wailed bitterly, (saying):
127. ''What has been altered so that they should ... [...]
128. ''We do not understand the d[eed] of Tiamat!"
129. Then did they collect and go,
130. The great gods, all of them, who decree [fate].
131. They entered in before Anshar, they filled [...];
132. They kissed one another, in the assembly [...].
133. They made ready for the feast, at the banquet [they sat];
134. They ate bread, they mixed [sesame-wine].
135. The sweet drink, the mead, confused their [...],
136. They were drunk with drinking, their bodies were filled.
137. They were wholly at ease, their spirit was exalted;
138. Then for Marduk, their avenger, did they decree the fate.


The tablet ends with Lahmu and Lahamu have a cry. Remember their the 2nd and 3rd districts to come into existence. Or, the 1st and 2nd after Apsu and Tiamat. The Igigi wailed bitterly.....who are these people!!! They definitely do not sound like one of these districts. Maybe their Druids or the like. lol. Still a mystery who the Igigi are? Im thinking the old Districts? As '125. Lahmu and Lahamu heard and cried aloud, All of the Igigi wailed bitterly, (saying):..'
Then they feasted and all agreed to Marduks bargain. As Then for Marduk, their avenger, did they decree the fate. His fate.

I must infer, still no mention of any celestial object, movements or collisions.

End of Tablet Three.

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Tablet Four

1. They prepared for him a lordly chamber,
2 . Before his fathers as prince he took his place.
3. "Thou art chiefest among the great gods,
4. "Thy fate is unequalled, thy word is Anu!
5. "O Marduk, thou art chiefest among the great gods,
6. "Thy fate is unequalled, thy word is Anu!
7. "Henceforth not without avail shall be thy command,
8. "In thy power shall it be to exalt and to abase.
9. "Established shall be the word of thy mouth, irresistible shall be thy command;
10. "None among the gods shall transgress thy boundary.
11. "Abundance, the desire of the shrines of the gods,
12. "Shall be established in thy sanctuary, even though they lack (offerings).
13. "O Marduk, thou art our avenger!
14. "We give thee sovereignty over the whole world.
15. "Sit thou down in night, be exalted in thy command.
16. "Thy weapon shall never lose its power, it shall crush thy foe.


After accepting Marduks bargain, they praise him like a king. ( like he has already won but his words are not law as yet ). They compare him to Anu ( The border guard that was strong but failed ) yet as a better.
Then they promise him "14. We give thee sovereignty over the whole world." Still no mention of a celestial anything!!.

So they offer Marduk the world. Hence High King, Emperor of an Empire of the Gods!! ( Districts//Cities/Land Everything!! )
Command of the armies is then given to Marduk. The weapon is unknown, but probably the combined armies of the East.

17. "O lord, spare the life of him that putteth his trust in thee,
18. "But as for the god who began the rebellion, pour out his life."
19. Then set they in their midst a garment,
20. And unto Marduk their first-born they spake:
21. "May thy fate, O lord, be supreme among the gods,
22. "To destroy and to create; speak thou the word, and (thy command) shall be fulfilled.
23. "Command now and let the garment vanish;
24. "And speak the word again and let the garment reappear!"
25. Then he spake with his mouth, and the garment vanished;
26. Again he commanded it, and the garment reappeared.
27. When the gods, his fathers, beheld (the fulfilment of) his word,
28. They rejoiced, and they did homage (unto him, saying), " Marduk is king! "
29. They bestowed upon him the sceptre, and the throne, and the ring,
30. They give him an invincible weapon, which overwhelmeth the foe.
31. "Go, and cut off the life of Tiamat,
32. "And let the wind carry her blood into secret places."


This starts with some talk of a person from a city/culture that started the fight, and that he should suffer, but also sounds like they were allied to Marduk. And they gave Marduk the power to destroy or let live this traitor.
But it appears as they were an allie he let them live. When this occured Anshar or the East approved and awared Marduk the sceptre, throne, ring and an invincible weapon. What, invincible weapon, unknown.
Then they send Marduk out to cut off the life of Tiamat.

33. After the gods his fathers had decreed for the lord his fate,
34. They caused him to set out on a path of prosperity and success.
35 . He made ready the bow, he chose his weapon,
36. He slung a spear upon him and fastened it . . .
37. He raised the club, in his right hand he grasped (it),
38. The bow and the quiver he hung at his side.
39. He set the lightning in front of him,
40. With burning flame he filled his body.
41. He made a net to enclose the inward parts of Tiamat,


Marduk terrifying march to war! Ending with them face to face. Phwoar!! here comes the battle of the Districts/Gods on the still yet un-named world.

42. The four winds he stationed so that nothing of her might escape;
43. The South wind and the North wind and the East wind and the West wind
44. He brought near to the net, the gift of his father Anu.
45. He created the evil wind, and the tempest, and the hurricane,
46. And the fourfold wind, and the sevenfold wind, and the whirlwind, and the wind which had no equal;
47. He sent forth the winds which he had created, the seven of them;
48. T o disturb the inward parts of Tiamat, they followed after him.


These winds? could they not be scouts or groups of districts to make armies to net (flank) the enemy?

49. Then the lord raised the thunderbolt, his mighty weapon,
50. He mounted the chariot, the storm unequalled for terror,


First sign of aircraft? or the '30. They give him an invincible weapon, which overwhelmeth the foe.'

51. He harnessed and yoked unto it four horses,
52. Destructive, ferocious, overwhelming, and swift of pace;
53. [...] were their teeth, they were flecked with foam;
54. They were skilled in [...], they had been trained to trample underfoot.
55. [...], mighty in battle,
56. Left and [right ...
57. His garment was [...], he was clothed with terror.
58. With overpowering brightness his head was crowned.
59. Then he set out, he took his way,
60. And towards the [rag]ing Tiamat he set his face.


Marduk working up the courage and proceeding closer or forward.

61. On his lips he held [...],
62. ... [...] he grasped in his hand.
63. Then they beheld him, the gods beheld him,
64. The gods his fathers beheld him, the gods beheld him.
65. And the lord drew nigh, he gazed upon the inward parts of Tiamat,
66. He perceived the muttering of Kingu, her spouse.
67. As (Marduk) gazed, (Kingu) was troubled in his gait,
68. His will was destroyed and his motions ceased.
69. And the gods, his helpers, who marched by his side,
70. Beheld their leader's [...], and their sight was troubled.


On his lips he held ( the trumpet or horn to signal the charge. The start of battle? ) Then at the start of line 62 ?? unknown, maybe Marduk used the
30. They give him an invincible weapon, which overwhelmeth the foe." and
63. Then they beheld him, the gods beheld him,
64. The gods his fathers beheld him, the gods beheld him.
65. And the lord drew nigh, he gazed upon the inward parts of Tiamat,
Sounds like this invincible weapon overwhelmed the foe.. Tiamats horde!

The inward parts of Tiamat where Kingu resides. When Kingu realised that Marduk was looking at them, they where troubled in there gait, and ceased their movements. ( Kingu did not know what to do!! )
And the districts of Tiamat/West looked to Kingu and were troubled by his inaction!

71. But Tiamat [...], she turned not her neck,
72. With lips that failed not she uttered rebellious words:
73. "[...] thy coming as lord of the gods,
74. "From their places have they gathered, in thy place are they!"
75. Then the lord [raised] the thunderbolt, his mighty weapon,
76. [And against] Tiamat, who was raging, thus he sent (the word):
77. "[Thou] art become great, thou hast exalted thyself on high,
78. "And thy [heart hath prompted] thee to call to battle.
79. "[...] their fathers [...],
80. "[...] their [...] thou hatest [...].
81. "[Thou hast exalted King]u to be [thy] spouse,
82. "[Thou hast . . . ] him, that, even as Anu, he should issue decrees.
83. "[...] thou hast followed after evil,
84. "And [against] the .gods my fathers thou hast contrived thy wicked plan.
85. "Let then thy host be equipped, let thy weapons be girded on!
86. "Stand! I and thou, let us join battle!"


And the Nation of Tiamat, the sole leader not even to be disputed by Kingu also could not move or react.
71. But Tiamat [...], she turned not her neck,
72. With lips that failed not she uttered rebellious words:
73. "[...] thy coming as lord of the gods,
74. "From their places have they gathered, in thy place are they!
Line 73, the (...) is obviously Marduk. as in:-
73. "Marduk thy coming as lord of the gods,
74. "From their places have they gathered, in thy place are they!
"75. Then the lord [raised] the thunderbolt, his mighty weapon," (The invincible weapon!!)

Tiamat in the 77 line speaks to Marduk on how high he has risen in the East. ( as opposed to the West where be originated ) and she tries to tempt Marduk who rebuffs and states that now Kingu is now her spouse in which Anu was before!! ( Anu was the spouse before Kingu!!, probably why he was the first to change side and attack.... hmmmmm. im liking this breakdown of the text. Getting more/further insight!!

87. When Tiamat heard these words,
88. She was like one possessed, she lost her reason.
89. Tiamat uttered wild, piercing cries,
90. She trembled and shook to her very foundations.
91. She recited an incantation, she pronounced her spell,
92. And the gods of the battle cried out for their weapons.


After hearing what Marduk says she goes berserk! and order her full army to advance:----------> ATTACK!!!!

93. Then advanced Tiamat and Marduk, the counsellor of the gods;
94. To the fight they came on, to the battle they drew nigh.
95. The lord spread out his net and caught her,
96. And the evil wind that was behind (him) he let loose in her face.


Both armies charge. Having their own tactics. The armies of Anshar ( East ) prevail, and ( net ) flank the enemy.
And the evil wind ( the army of Marduk/Anshar/East ) was behind (him) he let loose in her face.

97. As Tiamat opened her mouth to its full extent,
98. He drove in the evil wind, while as yet she had not shut her lips.
99. The terrible winds filled her belly,
100. And her courage was taken from her, and her mouth she opened wide.
101. He seized the spear and burst her belly,
102. He severed her inward parts, he pierced (her) heart.
103. He overcame her and cut off her life.
104. He cast down her body and stood upon it.


Here Tiamat is desperate and gives it all she has. But unfortunately is defeated.

105. When he had slain Tiamat, the leader,
106. Her might was broken, her host was scattered.
107. And the gods her helpers, who marched by her side,
108. Trembled, and were afraid, and turned back.
109. They took to flight to save their lives;
110. But they were surrounded, so that they could not escape


Tiamat after the battle 106. Her might was broken, her host was scattered.
Tiamat's army scattered, ran!, were afraid and took flight to save their lives. Tiamat, reading this way is not a person but an army, a Nation!...... i dare say Not! A ! Planet.

111. He took them captive, he broke their weapons;
112. In the net they were caught and in the snare they sat down.
113. The [...] ... of the world they filled with cries of grief.
114. They received punishment from him, they were held in bondage.


And he, obviously Marduk, took the army of Tiamat captive. The world that cried with grief? This could either be either Tiamat's people perspective or the general grief of war.
Then Marduk decrees his law that they be held in bondage. remember the word bondage is another word for slave!

115. And on the eleven creatures which she had filled with the power of striking terror,
116. Upon the troop of devils, who marched at her [...],
117. He brought affliction, their strength [he ...];
118. Them and their opposition he trampled under his feet.


The monster-serpents died! Or the 11 other districts?

119. Moreover, Kingu, who had been exalted over them,
120. He conquered, and with the god Dug-ga he counted him.
121. He took from him the Tablets of Destiny that were not rightly his,
122. He sealed them with a seal and in his own breast he laid them.


Kingu does and then.... The mysterious 'Tablets of Destiny'. Which, in truth of what it is, is unknown.

125. And had fully established Anshar's triumph over the enemy,
126. And had attained the purpose of Nudimmud,


And Marduk finally established Anshar's ( the East and originally Apsu ) triumph over Tiamat. and attaid the purpose of Nudimmud. Whatever was in those missing lines at the start. As this is what this refers to!

127. Over the captive gods he strengthened his durance,
128. And unto Tiamat, whom he had conquered, he returned.
129. And the lord stood upon Tiamat's hinder parts,
130. And with his merciless club he smashed her skull.
131. He cut through the channels of her blood,
132. And he made the North wind bear it away into secret places.
133. His fathers beheld, and they rejoiced and were glad;


This part sounds like Marduk finishing up and pacifying the remaining forces of Tiamat, and the splitting of her lands begin. In which the forces rejoiced and were glad. Of victory and the beginning of peace?

134. Presents and gifts they brought unto him.
135. Then the lord rested, gazing upon her dead body,
136. While he divided the flesh of the ..., and devised a cunning plan.
137. He split her up like a flat fish into two halves;
138. One half of her he stablished as a covering for heaven.


The Nations praise Marduk for victory and as he now has "Total Power" as was promised, Marduk divided the regions that made up " The Great Nation Of Tiamat and Her Allies"
If not her allies were not a sovereign in the first place.

139. He fixed a bolt, he stationed a watchman,
140. And bade them not to let her waters come forth.


Marduk then fixed a bold and stationed a watchman. So that remnants of Tiamat would not revolt again!

141. He passed through the heavens, he surveyed the regions (thereof),
142. And over against the Deep he set the dwelling of Nudimmud.


Then He Marduk passed through the heaven and surveyed the regions. Lets stop here. In one aspect they talk about the Universe! Then the regions of the world? or it could be the 1st space base? The moon?
Or if its somewhere on the unknown named planet it must be a translation error? Because:-

143. And the lord measured the structure of the Deep,
144. And he founded E-shara, a mansion like unto it.
145. The mansion E-shara which he created as heaven,
146. He caused Anu, Bêl, and Ea in their districts to inhabit.


As Marduk is now the High King and:- 14. We give thee sovereignty over the whole world. He finds a lavish place on the world/planet that they find to their liking
and created a mansion/city and caused, invites, directs the people of Anu, Bel and Ea to inhabit!! Either an earthly place or on the moon. Dont know.

... no mention of Nibiru nor this planets name. Nor have their been specific references to any celestial movements/actions or anything happening in our solar system!!
This at the end of the 4Th Tablet!! More than 50% through!

Now ends the Fourth tablet.

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Tablet Five here is where it gets celestial and talks of stars and the like specifically.

Tablet Five

1. He.(i.e. Marduk) made the stations for the great gods;
2. The stars, their images, as the stars of the Zodiac, he fixed.


Here now that Marduk is High King of the whole world! and after dividing Tiamat up between the victors he set stations for them. I see this as Marduk sorting out the world after the battle.
Putting the Districts in their proper place. The stars of the Zodiac are fixed to a District. ( Their were probably 12 districts but unknown really ). Or the colonisation of space?

3. He ordained the year and into sections he divided it;
4. For the twelve months he fixed three stars.
5. After he had [...] the days of the year [...] images,


Marduk creating a calendar? And after he had.....the days of the year...images. Is this a cycle through the Zodiac? 25,000 years or their abouts?

6. He founded the station of Nibir 1to determine their bounds;
7. That none might err or go astray,


AAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHH. The very very first mention of Nibri!!!! The first!!! What does this mean? Dont know. lol
This could be a District that is in the crossing of something. Maybe Nibri is a Police force. Or if it has something to do with the calendar then it might be something about a new discovery "'Nibri' after the full cycle of the Zodiac.
Or the asteroid belt as they could now be in space? But hard to understand. Still no mention of a planet.

8. He set the station of Bêl and Ea along with him.
9. He opened great gates on both sides,
10. He made strong the bolt on the left and on the right.
11. In the midst thereof he fixed the zenith;
12. The Moon-god he caused to shine forth, the night he entrusted to him.
13. He appointed him, a being of the night, to determine the days;


Bel and Ea sound like Marduks champians or protectors. The Moon God appointed Marduk authority of the calendar!
Maybe Nibri has something to do with the calendar. That is a crossing point? Dont know enough about calendars? Or more waystations in space? But unknown.

14. Every month without ceasing with the crown he covered(?) him, (saying):
15. "At the beginning of the month, when thou shinest upon the land,
16. "Thou commandest the horns to determine six days,
17. "And on the seventh day to [divide] the crown.
18. "On the fourteenth day thou shalt stand opposite, the half [...].
19. "When the Sun-god on the foundation of heaven [...] thee,
20. "The [...] thou shalt cause to ..., and thou shalt make his [...].
21. "[...] ... unto the path of the Sun-god shalt thou cause to draw nigh,
22. "[And on the ... day] thou shalt stand opposite, and the Sun-god shall ... [...]
23. "[...] to traverse her way.
24. "[...] thou shalt cause to draw nigh, and thou shalt judge the right.
25. "[...] to destroy
26. "[...] me.


The start of this part talks about Marduk? travelling the land. And on the 7th day divide the crown? Dont understand this. Sounds like a religious ceremony. The missing words may shed light here.
But does not sound like a celestial event. Maybe their still talking about the calendar!?

Lines 27 to 65 are missing.

(66 ). [...]
(67) [...]
(68 ) From [...]
(69) In E-sagil [...]
(70) To establish [...]
(71) The station of [...]
(72) The great gods [...]
(73) The gods [...]
(74) He took and [...]


Your guess is as good as mine! But it sounds like in E-sagil... they went to establish..... a station of .... in which the great gods..... and the little gods..... and he Marduk took and.... What the.....'s are is unknown.

(75) The gods [his fathers] beheld the net which he had made,
(76) They beheld the bow and how [its work] was accomplished.
(77) They praised the work which he had done [...]


This may shed some light on the missing words. Net could be Marduks reach. And the bow? And what does a bow do? shoot arrows? UFO's? Awesome ones? New Launch pad?

(78) Then Anu raised [the ...] in the assembly of the gods.
(79) H e kissed the bow, (saying), "It is [...]!"
(80) And thus he named the names of the bow, (saying),
(81) "'Long-wood' shall be one name, and the second name [shall be ...]
(82) "And its third name shall be the Bow-star, in heaven [shall it ...]
(83) Then he fixed a station for it [...]
(84) Now after the fate of [...]
(85) [He set] a throne [...]
(86) [...] in heaven [...]
(87) [...] ... [...]


Is Bow-Star the first space craft they have? And then they fixed a station for it......in heaven? dont know.

Lines 88 to 127 missing.

(128) "[...] him [...]"
(129) "[...] them [...]"
(130) "[...] him [...]"
(131) "[...] them [...]"
(132) "[...] their [...] may [...]"
(133) [...] the gods spake,
(134) [...] the heavens [...]: 1
(135) "[... your] son [...]"
(136) "[...] our [...] hath he [...]"
(137) "[...] he hath caused to live [...]"
(138) "[...] splendour [...]"
(139) "[...] not [...]!"
(140) "[...] we [...]!"


End of Tablet Five

Yet still no mention and any space battle or Planet' named Nibiru.

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Tablet Six

1. When Marduk heard the word of the gods,
2. His heart prompted him and he devised [a cunning plan].


Unfortunately these words are damaged text from the end of the last tablet. Sounds like theirs abit of work to do. But ultimately, unknown.
We do know its not to Marduks liking as he devises a cunning plan. So he decides to...

3. He opened his mouth and unto Ea [he spake],
4. [That which] he had conceived in his heart he imparted [unto him]:
5. "My blood will I take and bone will I [fashion],
6. "I will make man, that man may ... [...].
7. "I will create man who shall inhabit [the earth],"
8. "That the service of the gods may be established, and that [their] shrines 1 [may be built].
9. "But I will alter the ways of the gods, and I will change [their paths];
10. "Together shall they be oppressed 2, and unto evil shall [they ...]."


So Marduk decides to create 'Man'. Hmm maybe this is not on an unknown world at all! Seems like its Earth!! We may have the location!

11. And Ea answered him and spake the word:
12. "[...] the [...] of the gods I have [changed]
13. [...] ... and one ... [...]
14. [...shall be de]stroyed and men will I [...]
15. [...] and the gods [...]
16. [...] ... and they [...]
17. [...] ... and the gods [...]
18. [...] .... [...]
19. [...] the gods [...]
20. [...] the Anunnaki [...]
21. [...] ... [...]
[The rest of the text is wanting ]
138. [...] ... [...]
139. [...] ... [...]


.......Um. What Ea says to Marduk in its entirety is unknown. We do know that if something is destroyed then mankind will.....?
To many missing letters but could be a warning against it, but we were made so we know that happened. Overall, this part, realistically, unknown.

140. When [...] ... [...]
141. They rejoiced [...] ... [...]
142. In Upshukkinnaku they set [their dwelling].
143. Of the heroic son, their avenger, [they cried]:
144. "We, whom he succoured, ... [...]!"
145. They seated themselves and in the assembly they named [him ...],
146. They all [cried aloud (?), they exalted [him ...]


When something happened....... creation of man maybe? The gods rejoiced. Then they in Upshukkinnaku they dwelt. Apart from mankind?
Then they praise Marduk for the hero and seeted themselves in the assembly to give Marduk his due.

End of Tablet Six

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Tablet Seven

1. O Asari, "Bestower of planting," "[Founder of sowing],"
2. "Creator of grain and plants," "who caused [the green herb to spring up]!"
3. O Asaru-alim, "who is revered in the house of counsel," "[who aboundeth in counsel],"
4. The gods paid homage, fear [took hold upon them]!


Unknown Districts/Gods, or farming districts bow down to Marduk and pay homage.

5. O Asaru-alim-nuna, "the mighty one," "the Light of [the father who begat him],"
6. Who directeth the decrees of Anu, Bel, [and Ea]!"
7. He was their patron, he ordained [their . . . . ];
8. He, whose provision is abundance, goeth forth [...]!
9. Tutu [is] 1 "He who created them anew;"
10. Should their wants be pure, then are they [satisfied];
11. Should he make an incantation, then are the gods [appeased];
12 . Should they attack him in anger, he withstandeth [their onslaught]!
13. Let him therefore be exalted, and in the assembly of the gods [let him ...];


Marduks father is Asaru-alim-nuna? This is new, but we are talking Districts or Nations and the like. Asaru-alim-nuna and Tutu make some sory of incantation/act in which appeases the gods.
Line 12 reads in the percpective of Asaru-alim-nuna, as if he was the father, and he Marduk was a patron of Tiamat and crew and then went turn coat I suppose you would hold a (racial )grudge.
But they bow down.

14. None among the gods can [rival him]!
15. Tutu is Zi-ukkina, "the Life of the host [of the gods],"
16. Who established for the gods the bright heavens.
17. He set them on their way, and ordained [their path (?)]
18. Never shall his [...] deeds be forgotten among men.


More talk of Marduks invicability. Tutu who established for the gods the bright heavens!! hmm this part gets me stumpt! To better understand would be knowing what the bright heavens mean. If it is not
the universe. But I think it might have a diferent meaning. Maybe the establishment of space bases and the like. Dont know. But, back to the story, were still in council.

19. Tutu as Zi-azag thirdly they named, "the Bringer 1 of Purification,"
20. "The God of the Favouring Breeze," "the Lord of Hearing and Mercy,"
21. "The Creator of Fulness and Abundance," "the Founder of Plenteousness,"
22. "Who increaseth all that is small."
23. "In sore distress we felt his favouring breeze,"
24. Let them say, let them pay reverence, let them bow in humility before him!
25. Tutu as Aga-azag may mankind fourthly magnify!
26. "The Lord of the Pure Incantation," "the Quickener of the Dead,"
27. "Who had mercy upon the captive gods,"
28. "Who removed the yoke from upon the gods his enemies,"


Here it talks about Tutu again who is now obviously the one who Marduk chose to save or destroy in his bargin with Anshar in the 4th Tablet line 17-32. And it sounds like Tutu
did well during the war. His Marduks closest ally so he, as well, is feared! But he appears happy here. ( Marduk probably gave Tutu a few titles! )
And he did something to mankind. made us Magnify! How so? Unknown. Probably in the missing lines, and it sounds like he par took in the creation of Man with Marduk.
As they are still addressing him!

Ill start from the addressment.

26. "The Lord of the Pure Incantation," "the Quickener of the Dead,"
27. "Who had mercy upon the captive gods,"
28. "Who removed the yoke from upon the gods his enemies,"
29. "For their forgiveness did he create mankind,"
30. "The Merciful One, with whom it is to bestow life!"
31. May his deeds endure, may they never be forgotten
32. In the mouth of mankind 1 whom his hands have made!
33. Tutu as Mu-azag, fifthly, his "Pure Incantation" may their mouth proclaim,
34. "Who through his Pure Incantation hath destroyed all the evil ones!"


So he didnt create all of mankind. Just made a different version? (32). In the mouth (horde?) of mankind 1 whome his hands have made! and I do another ! for !!. lol
And the evil ones sounds like Tiamat and crew. But due to the unknown lines this cannot be definitive.

35. Shag-zu, "who knoweth the heart of the gods," "who seeth through the innermost part!"
36. "The evil-doer he hath not caused to go forth with him!"
37. "Founder of the assembly of the gods," "[who ...] their heart! "
38. "Subduer of the disobedient," "[...]!"
39. "Who rebellion and [...]!"
41. Tutu as Zi-si, "the [...],
42. "Who put an end to anger," "[who ...]!"
43. Tutu as Suh-kur, thirdly, "the [Destroyer of the foe],"
44. "Who put their plans to confusion," "[...],"
45. "Who destroyed all the wicked," "[...],"
46. [...] let them [...]!


Shag-zu? Who is this? Sounds like a guard? or palace authorities? who seeks the evil doer who has not come forth. Maybe he was waiting for Asaru-alim-nuna to make a move. Remember the setting is still within the Assembly.
...... or the name of an Igigi? Then it goes on the Tutu again who will put and end to the anger. War is over and now they want peace. Then theirs a whole lot of missing lines.

47. [...] ... [...]

[The following lines are taken from the fragment K. 12,830, but their position in the text is uncertain.]

[He named the four quarters (of the world)], mankind [he created],
[And upon] him understanding [...]
[...] ... [...]
[...] Tiamat [...]
[...] ... [...]
[...] distant [...]
[...] may [...].
[The following lines are taken from the fragment K. 13,761.]
[...]
(10) 1 [...]
"The mighty one [...]!"
... Agi[l ...],
"The Creator of [the earth ...]!"
Zulummu ... [...],
"The Giver of counsel and of whatsoever [...]!"
Mummu, "the Creator [of ...]!"
Mulil, the heavens [...], "Who for ... [...]!"
Gishkul, let [...],
(10) "Who brought the gods to naught[...]!"
Lugal-ab-[...],
"Who in [ ............ ]!"
Pap-[...],
"Who in [...]!"
[...]
[The following lines are taken from the fragment K. 8,519 and its duplicate K. 13,337; this portion of the text was not separated by much from that preserved by K. 13,761.]
[...].
[...] ...
[... the Chief (?) of] all lords,"
[... supreme] is his might!
[Lugal-durmah, "the King] 1 of the band of the gods," "the Lord of rulers,"
"Who is exalted in a royal habitation,"
"[Who] among the gods is gloriously supreme!"
[Adu-nuna], "the Counsellor of Ea," who created the gods his fathers,
Unto the path of whose majesty
[No] god can ever attain!
[... in] Dul-azag he made it known,
[...] pure is his dwelling!
[... the ...] of those without understanding is Lugal-dul-azaga!
[...] supreme is his might!
[...] their [...] in the midst of Tiamat,
[...] ... of the battle!
[The numbering of the following lines is based on the marginal numbers upon No. 91,139. + 93,073.]


This is abit hard to decipher due to the missing words and lines. But it appears they are speaking of a creator of some kind. But they may be speaking of the battle.
But, overall, unknown.

105. [...] ... [...] him,
106. [...] ... the star, which [shineth in the heavens].
107. May he hold the Beginning and the Future , may they pay homage unto him,


Due to the many unknown words and passages we have to work with what we have. This part talks of something and ending with 'him'. Then something and a star which shineth in the heavens.
The start of this part would be good! As it obviously paves the way for Marduk to hold the Beginning and the Future ( End? ) And they pay homage unto him. Who? Stupid time and whatever ruining those tablets!

108. Saying, "He who forced his way through the midst of Tiamat [without resting],
109. "Let his name be Nibiru, 'the Seizer of the Midst'!


:D Here we go! lol. Now the 2nd mention of Nibiru, Lets look at this. He Marduk who forced his way through the midst of Tiamat without resting, this could either mean that he forced his way out of Tiamats empire into Apsu/Anshars as this is still through the midst of Tiamat! or it could mean he forced his way in the great battle described earlier to win victory. They name Marduk Nibiru!!! yes, no argument their. What does this mean.

I implore you to read my comment of the word meaning of Nibiru. This has other descriptions in other texts and Akkadian ones. viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2938
( Jeff I used a link. lol. sorry bit pissy on Jim Beam )

So the meaning in laymans terms is place or point of the crossing. So if Marduk was apart of the Empire of Tiamat AND he changed sides would that not also be a reference to a crossing of some type? Or he was the one who
opposed Anu at the start and if im correct and Anu is a border district and Marduk was the opposition at the time would there lands not be at some type of crossing point from East to West or Apsu and Tiamat? Or Marduk could have
changed sides at the pinical of when Apsu side was starting to lose. Hence a point of crossing? Then he siezed the win!

110. "For the stars of heaven he upheld the paths,

Marduk upheld (confirm, support, maintain) the way to the universe. Probably by blocking off or controlling the space ports? Or more calender talk?

111. "He shepherded all the gods like sheep!
112. "He conquered Tiamat, he troubled and ended her life,"


More talk of Marduk gathering his side together and his victory over Tiamat

113. In the future of mankind, when the days grow old,
114. May this be heard without ceasing, may it hold sway for ever!
115. Since he created the realm (of heaven) and fashioned the firm earth,


Now they talk about man and that they should never forget the way the battle turned out. As Marduk created the realm of heaven and fashioned the firm earth.
Hmm. Sounds like the gods originated from earth! and left us with the scraps. Then went up into the heavens. hmmm maybe my 'Modern Man are Ancient Astronauts Not Aliens!' post sounds more and more logical. Hmmmm.
Link:- viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2720

116. "The Lord of the World," the father Bêl hath called his name.
117. (This) title, which all the Spirits of Heaven proclaimed,
118. Did Ea hear, and his spirit was rejoiced, (and he said):
119. "He whose name his fathers have made glorious,
120. "Shall be even as I, his name shall be Ea!
121. "The binding of all my decrees shall he control,
122. "All my commands shall he make known! "
123. By the name of "Fifty" did the great gods
124. Proclaim his fifty names, they made his path pre-eminent."


Bel calls forth Ea, The Lord of the World. And when he heard his name he rejoiced for the mention. As he was the one that gave away some type of knowledge that allowed Tiamat to gather her forces/power together! Remember.
Tablet 2 line 1-7. Then Ea speak of or to Marduk and offers him his powers. Or submission? Allegence or Lord of the World!? Then by the name of fifty, what fifty? are there now fifty districts/nations? Remember were not talking people but Nations or districts or cities and the like. Could be fifty in total with the Greater Districts and the Smaller Districts?

125. Let them 2 be held in remembrance, and let the first man proclaim them;
126. Let the wise and the understanding consider them together!
127. Let the father repeat them and teach them to his son;
128. Let them be in the ears of the pastor and the shepherd!
129. Let a man rejoice in Marduk, the Lord of the gods,
130. That he may cause his land to be fruitful, and that he himself may have prosperity!


Here it talks about them making mankind (Tiamat's leftovers?) not forget. Why are they leaving? And let them remember it was Marduk who brought this about!!!

131. His word standeth fast, his command is unaltered;
132. The utterance of his mouth hath no god ever annulled.
133. He gazed in his anger, he turned not his neck;
134. When he is wroth, no god can withstand his indignation.
135. Wide is his heart, broad is his compassion;


Here more confirmation of Marduk's command and authority.

136. The sinner and evil-doer in his presence [...].
137. They received instruction, they spake before him,
138. [...] unto [...].
139. [...] of Marduk may the gods [...].
140. [May] they [... his ] name [...]!
141. [...] they took and [...];
142. [...]!


And then it ends with Marduk in normal council with criminals (Tiamat's survivors?). Few words missing to give the exact extent of what is told but leads towards Marduks doing something or other. Unknown.

End of Tablet Seven. End of the Enuma Elish!!



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And thats it. The Emuna Elish it its entirety. This is where fictional Nibiru came from. The origin. So if the Planet Nibiru is incorrect.... then would all reaserch therein after be based on someone looking for something they wish to be true, be also incorrect? In any event. That was a journey I did find enjoyable! I learnt so much about the Emuna Elish in the past few days then I did in the past 10 years when I first heard about it. I started with one opinion and ended with another!! Ha! Thats reaserch for ya!

Also just before I finish im not saying that Ea, Marduk, Anshar and others are not the same people/gods as in other texts, as this text talks about Nations and districts. This is a creation myth. The creation of an Empire.
Who appear to have left to go into the universe. Other texts of these Gods names are mentioned clearly state someone who is personified. A person not a Nation or district.

Like I said in other posts. Texts need to be read in full and not have parts taken out that suits themselves without any bearing of what came before and what comes there after!

I wrote this in another thread that I thought Id paste into this one. It reads:-
'Im on the for side of AAT. But at the moment im thinking the AA's are.... us. After breaking down the Emuna Elish part by part. Man is a slave race left behind... Maybe they were the leftovers of Tiamat! Not allowed into space! hmm never thought of that. '

A friend of mine who is not an AAT believer read this post and commented of the Alliences. And its kinda believable! He States:-

"Apsu and Tiamat were the first districts, the could have been allies and their offspring the other districts!? Line 1-8 only talks of them as the only ones in existence. Then the others came. Maybe it was Tiamat and Apsu who got angry against the other districts and cities and this resulted in Apsu being destroyed. 22-28. They seem like allies? And where confused and troubles and .... in disorder.....? 29-40 refers to their Apsu and Tiamat coming together and talking of a way to bring the other district together under their own rule. the ones opposed to Apsu and Tiamat? 29-40 could be Apsu attempt at peace and Tiamats wanted war!? 41-58 Tiamat rejects the offer of a peaceful solution and gets angry with Apsu's desire of peace. 59-105 could be the part where the other "Districts lay waste the Apsu in which this gives Tiamat the excuse to wage the World War against the other Districts."

Now you can all criticize. Maybe we can get a clearer picture. As im only just one man!!
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Re: The Enuma Elish as interpreted by Coomba98

Postby Polaris » Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:44 pm

An early question, is it an actual account - a literal interpretation or was it written as an allegory.
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Postby coomba98 » Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:06 pm

Polaris,
What do you mean by is it a literal interpretation or was it written as an allegory.
Do you mean my interpretation? if so, I state the correct text in parts and after each
part I state my interpretation of how I view what is being said. or written.

Im actually enjoying and looking forward to the full outcome of this breakdown of the texts.
I have seen a few mistakes but will fix up when I get home from work.
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Postby Jeff Sheets » Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:15 pm

OK Coomba, that is tripleposting. Can you wait until someone comments first, please?
I know that its a lot of text. Maybe you could attach a text file or something?
Just trying to stay within the boundaries of the rules about doubleposting...

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Postby Polaris » Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:37 pm

I beg the indulgence of the committee and allow Coomba98 to finish his interpretation of the Enuma Elish.
If he were to do it in one sitting, it could be considered inhumane, ie, alien... and we couldn't be called that now could we!
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Postby Jeff Sheets » Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:37 pm

Yeah, I guess I would rather see the translation completed. Thats why I suggested he attach text as a link, rather than try and get it in one post on this forum.
More than one way to skin a cat...right?
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Postby Bob137 » Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:56 am

My first opinion is that about Tiamat, it sounds like she is in menopause!
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Postby coomba98 » Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:42 am

I think I may have sent a Shock Wave throughout the Ancient Astronaut Theorist Community!!!

Sorry, I didnt mean to! If it helps I AM on your side! :)

Bear with me. Im up to tablet six in my revision.

But please comment! I welcome any response.
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Postby Moon » Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:15 pm

Coomba, I deleted the empty posts per your requests. You can delete stuff yourself by hitting the X on the right side of the post and that would delete your post for you.

Good thread, I have my work and studying cut out for me.
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Postby coomba98 » Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:33 pm

A friend of mine who is not an AAT believer read this post and commented of the Alliences. And its kinda believable! He States:-

"Apsu and Tiamat were the first districts, and their offspring the other districts!? Line 1-8 only talks of them as the only ones in existence. Then the others came. Maybe it was Tiamat and Apsu who got angry against the other districts and cities and this resulted in Apsu being destroyed. 22-28. They seem like allies? And where confused and troubled and .... in disorder.....? 29-40 refers to their Apsu and Tiamat coming together and talking of a way to bring the other districts together under their own rule. the ones opposed to Apsu and Tiamat? 29-40 could be Apsu attempt at peace and Tiamats wanted war!? 41-58 Tiamat rejects the offer of a peaceful solution and gets angry with Apsu's desire of peace. 59-105 could be the part where the other "Districts lay waste the Apsu in which this gives Tiamat the excuse to wage the World War against the other Districts."

This is something to think about when reading from the start. And Anshar is the Greater Leader from the Start!?
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Postby Bob137 » Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:16 pm

(78) Then Anu raised [the ...] in the assembly of the gods.
(79) H e kissed the bow, (saying), "It is [...]!"
(80) And thus he named the names of the bow, (saying),
(81) "'Long-wood' shall be one name, and the second name [shall be ...]
(82) "And its third name shall be the Bow-star, in heaven [shall it ...]
(83) Then he fixed a station for it [...]
(84) Now after the fate of [...]
(85) [He set] a throne [...]
(86) [...] in heaven [...]

Seems to me a station such as what has been found of one of what was thought of as a moon of Mars, that now is being considered as an artificial moon, possibly a station of sorts, from what they have found it is hollow, so possibly it is a space station made to look like an oblong moon. This maybe what this test is talking about?
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Postby coomba98 » Sun Jun 12, 2011 2:20 am

Bob137!!
Thanks for your reply! Its was Thursday when I finished the Enuma Eilish and nobody has posted apart from Max! Coming from a forum that does dosens of posts a day, and yet receiving only three posts in the last three days!, I was getting woried id done something! Talk about a Shock Wave!!

Your interpretation of these lines could be as true as mine Bob! To many missing lines to confirm.

What did you think of my interpretation as a whole?
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Postby Bob137 » Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:44 am

I thought your interpretation was good. I also think on the whole, what most people who have interpreted these writings whether scholarly, or academia, or professional, or student, is speculative on the whole, due to so much missing documentation. I have read interpretations from different sources on these, and not one seems the same, most academia, put most of it off as myth, and legends, they do not actually concern themselves, with believing that any of it might actually be true. Some that do I noticed, dismiss parts due to the questionable nature of what is states, and a couple others by passed parts, due to they say cannot tell for sure what is meant.
I think from what you have posted, that it seems to be about a people of type of beings, that believe themselves better and more advanced than the humans, and that they speak of doing things that they believe make them such as Gods. That they also have technology to do as they please in the so called heavens, (sky, or space), and that they do not agree on what is to be accomplished here, or how, or why! They seem to be a warring type people and that certain ones want control over others of their kind, and the humans of earth. That they have the capability of putting space stations in space, and traveling wherever they please. They seem to consider humans as less than them, and that we are like pawns on a chess board, and they are the rest of the figurines on a chess board, and play out a scenario similar to chess like moves, (maybe that is where chess was derived from, who knows)? Whence they came is not really specified to me, possibly a place not far from out solar system, or is part of our solar system, but such as is mentioned elsewhere either another planet, or star, or possibly even another solar system in another part of our galaxy. It seems to me, they do not specify exactly whether they came from either of these possibilities, and that without more documentation on that subject, know one really knows for sure, unless they come back and expose themselves to mankind, and tell us. So I conclude it is still up in there on these Annunaki, and we shall have to either wait and see from them, or for the rest of the tablets to be unleashed to the world, of what else was discovered in IRAQ during the war, that has not been released.
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Postby Polaris » Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:47 pm

Coomba98, there is a lot of information to absorb, as you said yourself it's been a lifetime of thought...
my initial reaction is one of disbelief. I would certainly like to know what the other readers think,

does the Enuma Elish describe:
A) a celestial battle that describes the creation of the solar system (my opinion)
B) a sumerian ground battle that may or may not have happened (your opinion)
C) other, please describe.

I'll start another thread! 8)
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Postby coomba98 » Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:18 am

Bob,
Thanks for your post. I agree to the many missing words and lines!! But the overall picture is clear. Still I like the way you think.

Polaris,
Thanks for your post. I agree there is alot of information to take in, and alot of words and missing lines which is very frustrating!

I must say I was a believer of the planet Nibiru up until three or four years ago when I actually started reaserching it, and not finding anything to confirm this theory. My reaserch of Nibiru never left the Sumerian scripts as this is where it originated. Hence if I couldnt find it in Sumerian scripts as Sitchin interpreted, then I thought that all other reaserch in this field must be incorrect. Yet I still take in all knowledge with an open mind. Thats how I interpreted the Emuna Elish in this post. With a blank mind and then.. Go:->

As some of you could tell from my posts, tablet per tablet was interpreted from the start without any bearing of what came after until it came about. I only stated at the start to see the gods as Districts or the like as opposed to Planets (like Sitchin did). Even my opinion of what the Emuna Elish says has changed in the last week. When I broke it down and studied it part by part I suprised myself with what came about.

I dont know where I read this but I like to keep it in mind that when I look for evidence of my own beliefs. As looking for what you want, could blind you to the truth.

When one has evidence brought before them, and does not take this evidence with an open mind, but one that is already closed due to the prejudice of their beliefs, then ones mind is like a block of Obsidian. One that cannot be shaped or changed. Unless by the one that shaped it in the beginning. (Obviously an old quote)

A mind that has closed, only to search out that which confirms their own beliefs. Weather real or not. Is like a repetitive circle. Is it not? Only to start at the begining with no way forward.
And the truth never obtained!

If you still believe that Nibiru is a planet then thats fine. All is good. I just needed to show the evidence to the opposition after many months of of asking for textual proof of Nibiru.

In any event like Polaris, I ask all members to comment if you agree with my interpretation of not. ( and why if possible ). I promise not to get upset!
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Postby Bob137 » Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:53 pm

Actually creation stories around the world from ancient civilizations are all very similar, that is why I do not put my belief into just any one of them, since they all pretty much tell the same story, but just utilize different names for their so called Gods, and they all seem to be control freaks, and not really that admirable to me, to say the least.
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Postby Coomba98 » Wed Dec 28, 2011 5:41 am

Flash!

Good question. My opinion is that I do not know definitive. I have only come across texts that state the champian is Marduk. Know one else. I think this is a text to send a
message to Man. But I could be wrong. As Marduk makes it known to the Gods that he wants to be the King of the Gods as his word cannot be changed and the like, so it could
be a message to both!

Also I believe it was the forces of Marduk as opposed to the person. When the 'Gods' meet in council i picture them as ambassadors of that Nation. Not the whole Nation per sa.

Bob,

I agree that creations stories around the world have some similarities, but only some. Remember Sumeria has many many creation stories about little things like the pick or agriculture
and such. Out of all creation stories only a very small percentage are creation stories about Man. And some are only similar in some parts. The Enuma Elish in my opinion is about some
species from this planet that rose to power and the little power struggles between them until peace. This struggle in my opinion took from 10 - ???? years. Im thinkin thousands of years.
But thats just a hunch. As you can read a book on any war in the last 100 years and they mostly last for abit not overnight. And were talking the unification of the world at some time in the
past. Then the creation of Man or the degradation of the conquered DNA wise turning them into slaves to do the work and not living long enough to learn, and get them the Gods into the heavens!

combined posts per your request-MM

Sorry dont mean to double post but I cannot delete the above post.

Mods please join... Sorry.

Just to keep ontop as ThePhiGuy wanted to know to location. I do this just incase the link does not work.

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Postby ThePhiGuy » Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:20 am

Hey thanks a bunch Coomba. So far this is very interesting. Let's see if I can add anything to what you have said about the Enuma Elish. I'm going to start out with some background information, okay?

I have a tendency to always try to cross-reference texts, just to see if we can identify who is who. Let's see if we can identify 'Anshar' for starters. He's a fairly important person in the Enuma Elish, right?

In a famous text titled "Hymn to the Moon God" the mysterious 'Anshar is identified as Nanner Sin (the god of Ur) and he is also identified as Anu. (Source: Ancient Near Eastern Texts, Pritchard, p.385)

I haven't found an online copy of the text and I don't really want to type up the whole dang thing, which is mostly just more praise poetry, but here are the first stanzas; I think they are important.

Hymn to the Moon God

O Lord, hero of the gods, who in heaven and earth is
Exalted in his uniqueness,
Father Nanna, lord Anshar, hero of the gods,
Father Nanna, Great lord Anu, hero of the gods,
Father Nanna, lord Sin, hero of the gods,
Father Nanna lord of Egishshirgal, hero of the gods…


The 'Egishshirgal' is the name of Nanner Sin's temple in Ur. To me the poem seems to suggest that Nannar Sin, Anshar and Anu are all actually the same being. This would not surprise me in the least, as all the gods seem to have multiple names.

Anshar is also identified as Ashur in other texts and he was worshipped as the god of Assyria. The scholars say that Ashur is in turn identified with Asar, who is in turn identified with Osirus, and Osirus, like Nanna Sin, was known as a moon god in Egypt. That is until Set did him in, whereupon Osirus was "absorbed" into the sun god mythology.

The word 'Nanna' is always used like 'patriarch' or someone who is a revered elder. 'Sin' in my estimation is merely the Sumerian form of the Dravidian word 'Sindh' which was an ancient name for the Indus River. The word 'Sindhu' (Dravidian) actually became 'Hindu' in Sanskrit.

The identity of Anu has always been a mystery in the Sumerian and Babylonian texts, but he is no mystery at all in the Vedic texts! After cutting my teeth on Sitchin who inspired me to study the Mesopotamian texts in depth, I can tell you I was downright floored to discover that Anu was a very well-known person in ancient India and is mentioned extensively in the Rig Veda.

Who knew?

Anyway, Anu doesn't merely represent a single deity; Anu is the name of an entire freaking tribe that originally lived in the NW corner of India, along a tributary of the Indus, the Ravi River which is sort of in the rich, fertile foothills of the Himalayas. Anu (the tribe) started this great big war in ancient India. (Some say the tribe of Anu tried to dam up the river, which meant no water for the people living in the valleys below.)

The contentions escalated and Anu's tribe formed a coalition of ten kings and they made war against another guy named King Sudas, who also aligned himself with a different set of ten kings. According to the famous Vedic scholar, David Frawley, this was a civil war in ancient India and both sides were Aryans who worshipped Indra, the god of the Rig Veda. I read most of my info in Frawley's excellent book, "Gods, Sages and Kings", (Passage Press, 1991)

But you can find out a lot about who the Vedic tribe of Anu was in a Wikipedia article titled "Battle of the Ten Kings." Here's the link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Ten_Kings

According to the Rig, Anu's side lost. Big time. The Rig Veda records that

"Of the Anus and Druhyus sixty thousand, six thousand and sixty six warriors were put to sleep." (RgV VII.18,11,14) Others translate the number as 6,666 warriors.

The Rig also calls the tribe of Anu "the people of the harmful speech." (Frawley, p 105) No one seems to know whether this meant that they spoke a foreign language, or were just considered liars and were people that you couldn't trust.

Frawley also reports that after the war ended, the surviving members of the tribe of Anu and the Druhyus were declared "fallen Aryans" and "partially driven out of India." (Frawley, p. 110) Obviously, the tribe of Anu went to Sumer.

Coomba, what I've tried to do here is "set the stage" so to speak. It's dang hard to figure out what the Enuma Elish is talking about, if we don't understand who the major players are.

The Anunnaki "gods" represent the Tribe of Anu who were declared "fallen Aryans" in the Rig Veda and were driven out of India.

Anshar, and Nannar Sin prove to be the same person. He evidently represents the "senior official" of the tribe of Anu. In the Assyrian texts, Anshar (or Ashur/Asar) is clearly a war lord.

The names Anshar, Ashur, Asar and even Assyria are all derived from the term "Asura." Like the name Nannar Sin, the Asuras represented the "lunar dynasty" of ancient India. In the early part of the Vedic history, the Asuras supposedly represent "God as the almighty". In later Vedic times, the Asuras have been demoted to demons. (Frawley, p 345)

I'm not done talking about Anu but I've got an appointment to get to, so I've got to stop typing. Later on this afternoon, I'll try to "set the stage" for Tiamat and Kingu.

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Postby Coomba98 » Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:29 am

ThePhiGuy,

Cheers, I had a read of it again today and have noted some painfully obvious mistakes (i should have done it all sobre!).
I should post the completed one but meh, my whole point of it was to disprove Nibiru as a planet. In which i think i did very well.

Your idea's of the Gods being human tribes is interesting. Out of personal quriosity what books have you read that supports this?
(Not disagreeing with you as my overall opinion of AAT is that they are us, but the ones that kept the technology and left Earth)

For the past 12 months or so my opinion is pretty much:- http://www.legendarytimes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2720
"Modern Man are Ancient Astronauts Not Aliens!" its on page 2 of the AAT threads.

Not that i disbelieve that real aliens exist. I think the possibility of aliens from other worlds to be a very big possibility.

Coomba98 8)
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Postby ThePhiGuy » Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:14 am

Yo Coomba!

For starters, read "Gods, Sages and Kings" by David Frawley and definitely read "Underworld" by Graham Hancock. Both books deal a lot with ancient India. Frawley preaches a bit, (he's a Hindu convert) but put up with it because his info is excellent. Also, though I haven't read it yet, (It's on my no-corporate-stores-here! wish list) (The big A)the book by Arysio Santos, "Atlantis: The Lost Continent Finally Found." I don't know if the high tech civilization that once existed in Indonesia called itself "Atlantis" or not, but I do know Santos offers some very intriguing info that a high tech civilization definitely existed there. And go to his website because if you poke around there long enough, you'll find it's well worth the time. Santos died, and nobody seems to be upgrading the links (etc.) on his website, which is a real drag. Still, his website is loaded with huge, in-depth articles. Here's the link:

http://atlan.org/articles/true_history/index.html

Also study everything you can about India's huge number of gods. Trying to get through any of the Vedic texts is not easy. I'm American, and I've got no idea what their words mean and I can't even pronounce most of them. But as I read the names of various gods in Frawley's book and online, I made note of each name and then went to Wiki and looked that god up and saved the info to my hard drive. Then I went back and read again (and again) everything I'd saved until it started to sink in. I also lurked on Hindu forums and did a lot of online research.

Also, my copy of the Mahabharata isn't in poem form, it's in a kinda' down-to-earth explanation form, which I found very helpful. It was written by C. Rajagopalachari (see what I mean about Vedic names?) and was published by Bhavan's Book University (48th edition, 2006). I got the book from no-corporate-stores-here!. (The big A)

There is one thing I have become utterly convinced of. Anu and his buddies were not alien ETs. They were Vedic human beings, the survivors of whatever catastrophic event ended the last ice age, and they were the militant control freaks into playing god that survived with their technology still intact.

What makes ancient India and surrounding area so important? In a nutshell, their Ice Age climate was the best on the face of the earth. And secondly, anybody who lived in China, Russia, Anatolia, and Eastern Europe (etc.) who wanted to get out of the stinkin' cold, could have walked there! They would not have needed a map; all they had to do was follow the migrating herds of animals that headed south for the winter. Anybody with a brain in their head could have made it to India.

And that is exactly what the Rig Veda suggests must have happened. There were already white, black, brown and oriental people living in India at the time of the Rig which tells the stories of events that seem to have taken place soon after the Ice Age melt down. There is no "Aryan invasion of India" evident in any of their histories. I believe there was simply a general migration of many races into India during the long, cold Ice Age. India was the world's "melting pot" during the Ice Age and out of it the Aryan philosophy or religion arose. The word "Aryan" is supposed to represent "noble", but ultimately it seems it degenerated into "the nobility" or "aristocracy" of the "haves" over the "have nots."

If you just stop and consider the legends surrounding Atlantis and Mu alone, not to mention the evidence for sunken underwater megalithic structures, the evidence suggests that a very advanced human civilization, even one with advanced technologies, existed in the past and either through warfare or natural disasters was destroyed.

Advanced civilizations generally have an advanced military-industrial complex and all we have to do is look at the present-day to determine that the military always takes great steps to insure that regardless of what happens, they will survive with their technology intact.

So in my view, the survivors of whatever destroyed the previous advanced civilization were its military war lords. And if they survived and still hung on to their technologies like Vimana craft, nuclear warheads, scalar earthquake and weather manipulation, genetic manipulation, and even mind manipulation via resonant frequencies, (all technologies we actually have today) then the militant survivors of the last "doomsday" had everything they needed to "play god" over the rest of the survivors who came out of the catastrophe with nothing.

Or that's my take on things…

"Not that i disbelieve that real aliens exist. I think the possibility of aliens from other worlds to be a very big possibility."


My sentiments, exactly! As a matter of fact, I entirely believe that we humans wouldn't be here today had not "The Life Seeders" (for lack of a better term) helped us along the way. But I don't think they come here very often, and I don't think there have been very many of them.

What I am saying here, particularly in regards to the Enuma Elish and the "gods" descended from Anu is that there is TONS of stuff out there suggesting the Anunnaki were not aliens, but were "control freak" type human beings who had access to an advanced technology.

People around the world had to have remembered, even worshiped and loved the original "Life Seeders," whoever they were. Then in walks (or flies as the case may be) the completely human Anunnaki who ultimately were kicked out of India for being a bunch of creeps. Only the Anunnaki came in their Vimanas, which amazed the indigenous people of the Middle East, who had never seen one before. And they think, "Oh! Our beloved gods from the stars must be back!"

And of course, Anu and his buddies, being the dick wad, lying, thieving, murdering bunch of pigs that they were, did everything they could to encourage that belief! "Oh, we're from Orion." (Or Sirius, or the Big Dipper, the Pleiades or Nibiru, yadda, yadda)

Hmpfh! I think not! According to the astronomy sites I love to go visit, the constellation of Orion is ONLY one million years old, Sirius is ONLY 230 million years old and it's an extremely unstable system, already well on it's way to going nova. The Big Dipper or "the Seven Rishis" to the Hindus is part of the "Ursa Major Moving Group" and it's ONLY 500 million years old. So, why are the people on a planet that is four and a half BILLION years old, worshipping alien gods from star systems that according to the astrophysicists, couldn't even support life?

Good question, eh? Ah hah! Do 'ya think somebody could have LIED to us?

Coomba? (Or somebody else reading this) Could you please post a "Hmmmm" or a "Bump" or anything, so that my next post on "setting the stage" for the Enuma Elish, shows up as a new post on the Index Page?

Thanky, thanky…
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Postby yerock III stoneman » Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:14 pm

Thump, thump, thump.
Oh yeah, Underworld is cool. Gods, Sages and Kings is full of information the average westerner doesn't possess. It makes a great case for the oldest Vedic gods and their stories originating from and illustrating a time when man was exiting the last ice age during a period of cataclysms. Santos' book looks promising, I like the cover.
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Postby ThePhiGuy » Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:21 am

Okay, let's get back to the Enuma Elish…

I don't want to give the impression that I am some kind of expert, 'cuz I'm not. I first began making the connection between the Mesopotamian and Egyptian gods with the Vedic gods about five years ago and I've been hot on that trail ever since.

The first time I ran across the name 'Anu' mentioned in some article talking about the history of India, it just floored me. I had been reading everything I could about the ancient history of the near and Middle East for years and years, and was fairly literate in both mainstream and alternative theories. But through all of the mainstream texts, not to mention a mountain of money spent buying alternative histories written by popular and well-known authors, not once did anybody point out that Anu had originated in India.

It was an epiphany! At first, trying to figure out how the Vedic and Middle Eastern histories all fit together was very confusing, but I kept on digging, and kept on learning and today, though I may not have it all down pat, I am confident that I'm on the right path.

Coomba's breakdown of the Enuma Elish was taken from a translation written by Leonard William King, [1902], found at sacred-texts.com.

It's an old translation and since King wrote it, great strides have been made in filling in the gaps and missing pieces of the text. In part that's because of computers and the web. It's allowed the translators to piece together shared fragments of text much faster and easier and somewhere out there in the land of academia, dedicated scholars are working with gusto to this end.

I'm going to be working off a much newer translation of the Enuma Elish, which was written by Stephanie Dalley in 1989 and revised and updated in 2000. In my opinion, if you are going to buy a book of ancient texts for your home library, the best bang for your buck and the best translations to date are in Dalley's book, Myths From Mesopotamia, (Oxford University Press, 2000).

You can spend a small fortune on books containing ancient texts and be very bummed out when you discover you've spent your money on ancient love poems or hymns to one god or another, which are all pretty useless as far as figuring out our human history goes. But Dalley's book contains a very fine collection of the most important Mesopotamian texts, and for the measly price of $8.49 at no-corporate-stores-here!, (the big A) you just can't beat it. Her notes, explanations and dating found at the beginning of each text are pretty hard to beat.

You can find an online copy of one of Dalley's older translations of the Enuma Elish here:

http://www.piney-2.com/Enuma1.html

If the translation in my copy from her book differs from the online text, I'll try to post the newest version of those lines as they are found in her book and I'll mark those changes by changing the font color to blue. Okay?

I thought you folks might really enjoy seeing the differences between an early translation like King's and a later translation like Dalley's.

Before we start, I'd like to say that I agree with Coomba that Sitchin's translation of the Enuma Elish, is not only just plain wrong, it's misleading as all get out.

In my opinion, the Babylonian scribe that wrote the Enuma Elish, was not only trying to make Marduk and the Anunnaki look good by placing them in the role of heroes, in the first few stanzas of the text, the scribe was very evidently working off of an earlier work or creation text. In antiquity, each time a new god rose to power, he had his scribes write a new creation text. In the first few stanzas of the new version of creation, the scribe would generally begin by condensing the story told in an older version of a creation text. In other words, the scribes began by working off of known earlier accounts of history before they would tell the tale of how their god (in this case Marduk) rose to power.

Sitchin maintained the texts are describing the creation of our solar system. And that's just plain nuts. People weren't around to witness the creation of our solar system, much less write about it.

The Enuma Elish is a text describing a rather one-sided version of Earth history. It's written by human beings about human beings.

Tablet one

When heaven above was not yet named
Nor earth below pronounced by name,
Apsu, the first one,
their begetter
And maker Tiamat, who bore them all,
Had mixed their waters together,
But had not formed pastures, nor discovered reed-beds;
When yet no gods were manifest,
Nor names pronounced, nor destinies decreed,
Then gods were born within them.


Nobody had named the constellations yet, or even the sun and the moon. No one had named the continents or the islands in the sea. That doesn't mean they didn't exist; it simply means that no one had thought to name them yet. Agriculture hadn't been discovered yet, and no one had planted the reed beds that would later be woven into housing, baskets and boats.

Apsu and Tiamat are both "water" names, and here I'm gong to affirm what most bible scholars maintain, and that's that "the waters" represent people or tribes, or nations. When an ancient text says that they "had mixed their waters together", it describes two different races of people producing offspring together that became a single civilization.

Most scholars tell us that Apsu means "the god of fresh water" Fresh water is found on land, and in a way what this tells us is that Apsu has arrived at the place of the beginning by traveling over land or maybe even by a boat that navigated down a river.

Some scholars suggest the name refers to "underground fresh water" or 'the Abyss.' The location of underground fresh water aquifers would have been extremely important by 3000 BC when vast areas of Egypt and the Middle East were turning to desert. But that association doesn't seem to apply to the first stanza of the poem which is describing a much earlier (and wetter) time.

In other versions of the text, Apsu is called the "Abzu Rishtu", which are actually Hurrian words, and this likely identifies Apsu with the Caucasian races originally from the Anatolian region. The word "Rishtu" is similar to the Sanskrit 'Rishi' and this identifies Apsu as a holy man or a sage. In early history, sages stood in the place that would be later occupied by kings, so this man was evidently a leader.

(Hurrian, by the way, is NOT an "indo-european" language as so many erroniously claim. Their base language is the same as that of the Armenians which isn't indo-european either. But the Hurrians (native Anatolians) used many Dravidian and Sanskrit loan words in their texts which implies that they could both speak and write in the languages used by the people of India.)

I believe that name 'Tiamat' is one of those "sacred puns" that the ancient scribes of nearly all civilizations were famous for. A sacred pun is a word or a phrase that hides multiple meanings. There is an obvious meaning meant for the "profane" or common people, and generally one or more deeper hidden meanings meant for initiates or people of learning. The Babylonians describe Tiamat as a "chaos monster" and the primordial goddess of the ocean. This is the profane or obvious meaning that most people accept.

The highly respected translators, Thorkild Jacobsen and Walter Burkert, both believe the name is derived from the Akkadian word for sea, tâmtu, following an early form, ti'amtum.

I am of the opinion that the Babylonians used the name 'Tiamat' as a sacred pun describing the chaos of the sea that occurred when Mu, the motherland, was inundated by the cataclysmic events that ended the last ice age. This was an event that in one way or another was commemorated by most ancient civilizations in the Middle East, Egypt and India.

Why do I believe that? Well to put it simply, there are just a whole bunch of 'Mu' words in the Enuma Elish. The word may not have a discernable meaning in most Middle Eastern languages, but in the Dravidian and Sanskrit languages of ancient India, Mu means the 'inundated motherland' and she is treated as a goddess.

I am also of the opinion that the text is not simply alluding to the inundation of the Mu, the text is describing a real, flesh and blood woman, who, along with Apsu, are considered the survivors, or the descendents of survivors that somehow managed to live through the earlier destruction of Mu.

India's famous Noah-figure was named Manu. He escaped the inundation of Mu by being pulled by a big fish that took him to the Himalayan Mountain range. But Apsu and Tiamat seem to represent still another surviving branch from Mu. We are not told how they escaped Mu's destruction, but we know they ended up in the Middle East.

And I'm going to disagree with the scholars here, because not only do I think Tiamat references the inundation of Mu, I think Tiamat is a name that is actually of Egyptian-Dravidian origins.

I know absolutely that if the same name had been written down in the Egyptian language, it would have been spelled TIA.MAAT. And that's a name that can put a whole new slant on how we perceive the story told in the Enuma Elish.
The Babylonians did not use the 'aa' in their written texts. The Egyptians, the Hurrians, and the Dravidians did. By leaving out the double a, as in Tia.Maat vs. Tiamat, the Babylonian scribes very successfully hid the fact that they were talking about an Ethiopian black woman who was evidently of royal descent.

'Tia' was a name that was later given to Egyptian princesses and queens of dynastic Egypt. And 'Maat' (as you probably all know) means truth, justice and the straight path.

Why Ethiopian? Well that's because the Tamil Dravidians, i.e. the people who once lived on Mu, originally came to India from Ethiopia. Yup! It's a true factoid.

Both the Ethiopians and the Tamil Dravidians have either straight or wavy hair (as opposed to the "wooly" hair of most other black-skinned people), and both races have rather long, thin noses. DNA tests prove that the Tamil Dravidians are descendant from the Ethiopians. In fact today, people who regularly travel a lot often mistake Ethiopians for Tamil Dravidians or vice versa.

Anthropologists maintain that the Ethiopians migrated from Africa through the Middle East and into India about 50,000 years ago.

And of course, I'm going to disagree with the Anthropologists. I maintain that the Ethiopians traveled to Mu by crossing the Indian Ocean. I believe they got to Mu by "island hopping" the many small island chains that emerge above sea level in the Indian Ocean anytime there is an ice age. And 50,000 years ago, there were a whole lot more islands above sea level in the Indian Ocean than there were in the last Ice Age.

Ancient black people from Africa who lived along the coastlines were very good at navigating the sea. They got their food from the sea. It's a bit ridiculous, (or perhaps downright racist) to make the mistake of assuming that Ethiopians couldn't travel the sea. Their Mu descendants, the Tamil Dravidians, were among the world's best seafarers in antiquity. Mu, (Poseidon to the Greeks, and Varuna to the Vedic people) was a nation well acquainted with the sea, In fact, the descendants of Mu would, in later times, control the sea-faring trade that took place between India, Egypt, the Middle East and even Greece. Some of the descendants of Mu became known as the Phoenicians.

Stay tuned y'all…I'll be back. And would somebody reading this please do the "bump thing"? :D
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Postby Coomba98 » Fri Dec 30, 2011 2:07 pm

PhiGuy,

Nicely put together. I just woke up so ill comment further later when my brain starts working. But well done.

Dalley's book, Myths From Mesopotamia, (Oxford University Press, 2000).

I have this too. I class it as the best book in my collection. I didnt use that one as I didnt want to type it all out when all I could do was copy and paste. I know lazy. meh.

Talk soon.

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Postby ThePhiGuy » Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:38 pm

Coomba,
Hope you feel better soon and here is the next installment...

Then gods were born within them…
Lahmu (and) Lahamu emerged, their names pronounced.
As soon as they matured, were fully formed,
Anshar (and) Kishar were born, surpassing them.


Here I'd like to point out that Tiamat and Apsu are not named as gods but their descendants are. Because of later correlations I can now make with Vedic texts, I don't believe their named offspring necessarily represent individual people; I believe they represent dynasties, some of which may have lasted hundreds or even thousands of years.

Since ancestor worship is a very common thread among nearly all ancient cultures, it's fairly safe to say that religions generally begin when legends are told or written about people who start out as the leaders of family dynasties or tribes. Inevitably, these stories become so embellished over time that eventually one's ancestors are thought of as gods.
For instance, I've often looked at the name 'Lahmu' and wondered "Would the Hurrians have written that name 'Lamb.Mu?''' My musings are not unfounded. John the Divine defined Christ as "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Rev. 13:8) and according to any number of religions and myths, Mu definitely qualifies as "the foundation of the world" or the "motherland" as far as history is concerned.

My suspicions are further supported by the fact that out of all the ancient texts now uncovered and translated by scholars, only the ancient Hurrian texts make mention of "the Lamb." The simple phrase "in it lies the gentle message of the Lamb" appears in two Hurrian texts. The texts are actually Hittite translations of far older Hurrian tales. Additionally, some scholars have speculated that the name of 'Bethlehem' actually contained a reference to a Canaanite form of the name, Laḫmu, which was 'Lehem."

The truth is, we don't know, but so far the name Lahmu, just could be a name that the early ancients associated with the origins of the Lamb of God.

Anshar and Kishar typically stand for Earth and Sky. However we know from the Akkadian poem titled "Hymn to the Moon god" that Anshar, (as well as the Assyrian names, Ashur and Asar) were worshipped as one and the same with the moon god worshipped in Ur, Nannar Sin.

Here we have a rather huge example of why the genealogy found in the Enuma Elish should be held suspect. We know for a fact that if the moon god Nannar Sin and Anshar were one and the same, then Anshar could not have possibly been the son of Lahmu, because multitudes of Mesopotamian poems tell us that Nanner Sin was the eldest son of the Sumerian god, Enlil.

This is one of my biggest beefs with ancient history. When anybody attempts to confirm the supposed genealogies of the gods, absolutely NOTHING lines up.

Ultimately, the scribe who wrote the Enuma Elish was either very confused about whom begat whom, or he was a purposefully misleading the people.

So let's go back and this time pay special attention to what the text actually says, okay?

As soon as they (Lahmu and Lahamu) matured, were fully formed,
Anshar (and) Kishar were born, surpassing them.


Hmmmm. Now isn't that interesting? This text doesn't actually say that Anshar and Kishar were the descendents of Lahmu and Lahamu. What the text does is fool the reader into assuming that must be the case! How very, very cunning of the scribes!

It's very probable that in reality, Anshar (Ashur, Asar) actually represents the beginnings of the Vedic 'Asura' lunar dynasties. The Asuras were originally considered "good Aryans" in early Vedic history but soon came to be considered a "fallen" group of people. The Asura tribes were actually even demonized with avid gusto in the Vedic epic accounts of the Ramayana and the Mahabharata.

Never-the-less, Anshar as a "sky god" is related to lunar or Moon god worship which is, in fact, far older than sun god worship.

In ancient times, moon god worship usually began when local men joined with their local shamans and spent their evenings ingesting various psychedelic substances. That's been a path of attaining wisdom from earliest history on. Even today, many people who consume these substances report of having out of body experiences like flying through space and time, seeing the future or the past and feeling immortal or eternal. These experiences reportedly make one "feel like a god." But in my estimation spending a few hours "feeling" like a god does not in any way support the assumption that one actually is a god; much less support the egomaniacally inane practice of demanding that others should actually worship you as such.

Somewhere along the line, I've come to believe that the Anunnaki clan failed to make this distinction.

In later Vedic times, particularly in Southern India where the Dravidian people now mostly live, moon gods like Anshar/Sin would have been "absorbed" by Shiva who is now seen as the primordial lunar god of Hinduism. The worship of Shiva in all his many forms and names (he reportedly has 1000 names) is actually very, very ancient.

Kishar is a feminine earth name and probably represents the role women played in many shamanistic societies. The "earth goddesses" almost always represent fertility and rebirth and that association was made simply because women go through childbirth. In most early cultures women were also associated with the healing arts. Obviously, women with sick kids would have very quickly learned which herbs were healing. I suspect they would have also learned which herbs were good for cooking, which herbs were psychoactive, and which ones were poisonous and they would have passed their knowledge down from one generation to the next.

They passed the day at length, they added to the years.
Anu their first-born son rivaled his forefathers:
Anshar made his son Anu like himself,
And Anu begot Nudimmud (EA) in his likeness.
He, Nudimmud, was superior to his forefathers:
Profound of understanding, he was wise, was very strong at arms.


Finally, we get to Anu and Ea-Nudimmud! (I've been waiting for this part of the text.)

This is a very, very good time to do a little "family tree" comparison with how the Vedic culture records the genealogy of Anu and Ea. So, let's take a little looky-loo at what they have to say. What follows is a list of begats...

MANU
I
ILA
I
PURURAVAS
I
AYUS
I
NAHUSHA
I
YAYATI
I
TURVASHA – YADU – PURU – DRUHYU – ANU

(Source: David Frawley, Gods, Sages and Kings, Passage Press, 1991, p 135)



MANU

Manu, of course, was the Vedic version of Noah. All Vedic texts point to the supposition that the Flood of Manu is absolutely to be associated with whatever catastrophe occurred at the end of the last Ice Age. On the other hand, the Flood of Noah could have either been the Ice Age Melt Down flood, or it could have been the Black Sea flood that occurred and was scientifically dated to circa 5600 BC. (It is interesting to note that the Enuma Elish does indeed mention two floods.) All Vedic people apparently believe themselves to be the descendants of Manu.

Manu, according to the Vedic versions of the flood tale, was towed by a large fish to a mountain top in the Himalayas. The name of the fish who saved him was "Matsya" who is also known as the first avatar (incarnation) of Vishnu, the Vedic sun god. Matsya is pictured as a man with the lower body of a fish which is curiously an exact match to the pictures of Dagon who was the god of the sea-going Phoenicians. Could the "big fish" who towed Manu have been a large sea-going vessel? Were Matsya and Dagon actually one and the same? (Source: Wikipedia articles, "Vishnu", "Matsya," & "Dagon")

According to Mesopotamian historical texts, Naram Sin, grandson to Sargon the Great, conquered much of the Middle East by "destroying with the weapon of Dagon." Does this imply that Matsya-Dagan, the "big fish" in Manu's tale was a naval captain who was charged with saving advanced military weapons from being destroyed by the flood? There is much to suggest that at the very least the Anunnaki had access to bombs, weapons of chemical and biological destruction, scalar or resonant frequency weapons, UFO-like Vimanas, and a sundry of other advanced technologies that peer from the pages of ancient history with the nagging persistence of a truth that can no longer stay hidden from our curious eyes. (Source: Pritchard, Ancient Near Eastern Texts, p. 268)

There's not even a hint in the Vedic tales that Manu was ever asked to save the animals like his counterpart was in the famous biblical story. I think it is reasonable to ask if Manu's hidden role in India's epic tale wasn't that of helping Matsya/Dagon save whatever weapons he could from the destruction that took place at the end of the last Ice Age while the great motherland of Mu-Atlantis was being violently destroyed by the furious fires of volcanic eruptions and then, perhaps mercifully, swallowed whole by the waves of a raging sea.

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ILA-EL

Ila or Il supposedly represents the family directly descendent from Manu. There is much to suggest that they represent either twins or brothers and sisters as that dynasty was evidently ruled equally by both male and female rulers. The masculine form of the name 'Il' was most likely rendered 'El' in the later Hebrew texts. Frawley reports that there were three known "Lands of Ila." These lands were Elam, (ancient Iran), Ila Varta, (Northern India) and Ilam, (Southern India). What this tells us is that even in extreme antiquity, all the land from Iran to India was under the control of the Vedic Aryans. (Source: Frawley, p. 284)

PURURAVAS-ANSHAR

Pururavas was supposedly the founder of the Lunar dynasties of the Vedic Aryans. This makes me wonder if Pururavas wasn't the same guy who was called 'Anshar' in the Enuma Elish, who was evidently equated with Nannar Sin, the moon god of Ur. The name 'Sin' I conclude was the Sumerian version of 'Sind or 'Sindh', a Vedic word describing the land surrounding the Indus river, which was called the "Sindhu' in ancient times (Frawley pp. 95, 143)

AYUS-EA

Ayus (Sanskrit) is actually one of the names the Hurrians (Horites, Hurrites) used when addressing Ea. They also used the Dravidian-Egypto form; Aa. The dynasty of Ayus was originally a lunar dynasty and the Vedic texts pretty much give us proof positive that Ea Nudimmud was a human being because the name Ayus actually means "living beings," or "human beings". The Rig Veda makes it clear that Ea-Ayus was born in India and as the son of Ila, he has an established Vedic genealogy proving he was the great grandson of Manu. Thus Ea was not an 'extraterrestrial god' from the hypothetical 'Twelfth Planet of Nibiru.' (If there are any Sitchin fans reading this, oh well… read it and weep.) (ibid p.141)

Evidently Ayus was not a favorite with the Aryan god Indra for the Rig tells the tale of an early Vedic war where Indra gives aid to a king by the name of Turvayana and helps him make subject the "Kutsa, Ayus and Atithigva." In the process, the Rig Veda claims that Turvyana and Indra "destroyed many thousands over the earth." (RgV VI.18.13)

It should be noted that by the time this early war took place, the 'Laws of Manu' were evidently already being enforced. There were laws for virtually every aspect of life including laws governing warfare. (If you download The Laws of Manu from Sacred Texts.com, you will end up with 208 pages of early Vedic laws, which are, I can assure you, ever so tedious to read.) Law #96 in the 7th chapter of the Laws of Manu gives us a pretty good idea about how losers in war were actually treated by their Aryan conquerors. That law reads:

96. Chariots and horses, elephants, parasols, money, grain, cattle, women, all sorts of (marketable) goods and valueless metals belong to him who takes them (singly) conquering (the possessor).


In other words, if you were the loser in war, the winner took all. Various Vedic tales also suggest that it was totally up to the conqueror whether a defeated king got to keep his land or he and his subjects were driven away by the new king or war lord. When one sits down and contemplates this particular law, it becomes clear why the Aryans were known the world over as fearless war lords. War was perhaps the only way that early Vedic kings had of increasing their wealth, their holdings and their territorial rule.

The Brahmanas define a great king or emperor as a "world ruler," i.e. "one who conquers the world" and evidently, if we accept the Enuma Elish and other Mesopotamian texts as historical evidence, we may have to take these statements quite literally rather than assume they merely refer to one's "spiritual nature" as so many Hindu apologists and priests are terribly fond of claiming. Evidently, as so much of the textual and archaeological evidence confirms, the Vedic Aryans really did set out to conquer the entire known world. (Frawley p 123 -127)

More coming soon; I'm writing as fast as I can. And could somebody please "bump" me again? :wink:

Oh! AND HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYBODY!

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Postby yerock III stoneman » Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:00 pm

Nudge, nudge. .... By the by, Frawleys In Search of the Cradle of Civilization tipped me off to the fact that in Asia they rotate a light around a sacred object during religious initiations.
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Postby ThePhiGuy » Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:38 pm

NAHUSHA AND THE SERPENT TRIBE

In this humble attempt to identify the true origins of the Anunnaki we now come to the rather interesting dynasty of Nahusha. Have any of you folks reading this ever been told of the "reptilian" nature of the Anunnaki gods? And have you also heard the tales concerning the mysterious "fall of man"? Well if you have, then the dynasty of Nahusha was very likely the one that was responsible for the origins of these ever so curious accounts.

Frawley states, "Nahusha is one of the great ancestors of the Vedic people, following shortly after Manu, the Vedic original man." He also states that the dynasty of Nahusha, descendent from the dynasty of Ayus-Ea, is one of the most prominent lines of kings mentioned in the Rig Veda. He believes that the names recorded do not likely represent individuals so much as they signify groups of people or entire dynasties.

The dynasty of Nahusha, like the dynasties of Ayus-Ea and the earlier people of Pururavas-Anshar was still another lunar dynasty. The lunar dynasty rulers were considered powerful kings in the era of the Rig Veda, but according to Frawley, they "had certain character flaws. They tended toward gambling and drinking and were of a luxurious, artistic and free-spirited temperament." These are the people that as a whole became known as the "Asuras." (As in Assyrians) The Asura "Kshatriya" class (caste of warriors and kings) not only had a tendency to seek more and more power; according to Frawley, they evidently also had a rather "violent and aggressive" side to their nature.
(Source: Frawley, pp 55, 70, 135, 136, 140)

(I should note here that Frawley is a converted Hindu and very obviously devoted to the Deva (solar ruled) aspects of the Hindu belief system. The solar dynasties typically "demonize" the lunar dynasties and the lunar dynasties in turn demonize the solar dynasties. Evidently this has been going on for thousands of years, so some of his conclusions should perhaps be taken with a grain of salt.)

Wikipedia tells us that Nahusha is mentioned as ruling even over the Deva territories, but later he "was degraded to the status of a Naga king." He was powerful and renowned, but "power corrupted him" and he was later banished from the throne of Deva territories.

The word 'Naga' in the Sanskrit language means 'snake or serpent.' The Naga people are described as a serpent-worshipping group who were in later Vedic epics actually described as serpents themselves in the ancient Indian literature. Originally, the settlement habitat of the Naga Tribe was near or around the land of "infinite water springs" of Southern Kashmir.

King Nahusha is mentioned by Manu as having come into conflict with the Brahmins, (the priestly caste) and his story is repeated several times with variations in different parts of the Mahabharata as well as in the Puranas. According to Manu "By sacrifices, austere fervor, sacred study, self-restraint, and valor, Nahusha acquired the undisturbed sovereignty of the three worlds. Through want of virtuous humility the great king Nahusha was utterly ruined".

The story of Nahusha's fall from grace is told in the Mahabharata. The tale takes place at a time when the great god of the Rig Veda, Indra, had gone into hiding and shame for having unfairly and deceitfully killed the famous Brahmin, Vritra. In all seriousness, the Brahmin scribes explain Indra's absence in India by telling the Vedic people that Indra had "reduced himself to the size of an atom and hid himself in a fiber of the stem of a lotus plant growing in Manasorovar." And evidently, the Vedic people actually believed the Brahmins! Go figure. (Source: C. Rajagopalachari, Mahaharata, Bhavan's Book Universtiy, 48th edition, 2006 p. 237)

While Indra was still a fugitive and mysteriously missing from India, Nahusha was placed on the Vedic throne as ruler in his absence. While in court, Nahusha grew very smitten with Sachidevi, the beautiful wife of Indra. In fact, he desired with all his might that he might one day possess her completely.

Finally Sachidevi agreed to meet with Nahusha, and with great pomp and circumstance the king was taken to her royal court by the highly esteemed seven Rishis (sages) who bore him to his destination in a palanquin which is a litter carried along on poles. In his impatience and arrogance to see Indra's wife, Nahusha actually dared to kick at the great Rishi, Agastya, saying "Sarpa, sarpa!" in order to goad him into moving faster. ('Sarpa' means 'to move' but 'sarpa' also means 'serpent') The powerful and indignant sage cried out in wrath and anger," Meanest of the mean, do thou fall from heaven and become a sarpa on earth!"

According to the Vedic tales, Nahusha immediately fell headlong, down from heaven and became a python in the jungle where he had to wait for several thousand years for his deliverance. (ibid pp 237-239)

Evidently it is from this rather child-like tale that the stories of the "reptilian shape-shifters" were born.

Though Frawley does not repeat this tale in his history of the early Vedic people, he does report that "some of the descendants of Nahusha, though originally Aryan, lost their Aryan status during the period of the Rig Veda and they were partially driven out of India. This caused a division between those who follow the laws of Manu, and those who follow the fallen culture of Nahusha and his fallen descendents." (ibid p 136)

So in tracking down the origins of the famous "serpent or reptilian race" we can, with reasonable accuracy trace them to the Vedic dynasty of Nahusha who were the descendents of the dynasty of Ayus who just happened to be called Ea (or Enki) in the Mesopotamian texts!

Now, isn't that interesting? But wait! There is more…There are verses in the Rig Veda that describe the ocean-going ships of the early Vedic people as "the messengers of the gods" and Frawley believes, as do I, that these ships were actually trading vessels.

Pushan, your ships that are within the sea, golden in the atmosphere which travel, by them you go on the embassy of the Sun, made by love, desiring glory. (RgV VI.58.3)

When, oh Ashwins, you cross the ocean, men bring you fruits and delights. (RgV V.73.8)


Frawley also states; "These travels of the Ashwins by sea are not to foreign peoples but to the Nahushas, descendants of Nahusha, who derive from Manu, thus suggesting Vedic colonies across the sea." (Frawley, p. 55)

Now wait just a doggone minute! Mr. Frawley, informative as he is, seems to be delivering just a wee bit of a "mixed message" here. Was the Naga tribe of Nahusha "declared fallen Aryans and partially driven out of India" or was this a clever cover story told to the common people in order to hide the fact that the Vedic leaders, i.e. "the gods" were intent upon using the Nagas to expand their Vedic territory by establishing "colonies across the sea?"

It seems to me that if a tribe of people is declared "fallen and driven away" then this implies that the leaders in India had ceased having any further contact with Nahusha's Naga tribe of serpent worshippers. However, when we do a little deeper digging, we find this does not actually appear to be the case.

Clearly the bulk of the Vedic people were told that the Naga Tribe of Nahusha was "declared fallen and driven away." However, behind the backs of the Aryan people, the evidence suggests that the early Vedic leaders were covertly engaged in expanding their territory by setting up Vedic colonies in the Middle East. The purpose of these early colonies was evidently to establish a lucrative "merchant marine" trading base. Furthermore as the Vedic texts refer to the trading ships as the "embassy of the Sun" we might also conclude that those employed as Aryan merchant marines were also given the task of spreading the religion of the Vedic Aryans to foreign lands far and wide.
But is there any proof of this? Why yes! I do believe there is!

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The above artifacts are famously known as the 'Ubaid Figurines' however, eventually historians may be forced to admit the fact that the period has been misnamed and should be correctly referencing the Vedic Naga tribe of Nahusha. Even the Jewish people seem to have vague recollections of the Naga race, for the Hebrew word for serpent is 'nahash' unto this very day. And what is perhaps even more telling is that when the Hebrews worship in the name of 'Adonai', they often call him "the divine taskmaster." But when you look up the Hebrew word for 'Taskmaster" it just happens to be "naga". Hmmmmmm. Interesting, eh?

The Ubaid period (ca. 6500 to 3800 BC) is the prehistoric period of Mesopotamia and represents the earliest settlement on the alluvial plain of southern Mesopotamia. Many, many scholars believe that the Ubaid period was when the worship of Enki (Ayus/Ea Nudimmud) actually began in the Middle East. Enki's temple at Eridu is generally thought to have been established during this era, and the evidence suggests that the Naga dynasty of Nahusha and the early Vedic dynasty of Ayus (Ea-Enki) were both intimately connected to the early establishment of the marine trade routes with India.

The Mesopotamian city of Eridu (5300–4700 BC), was located in the extreme south of Iraq, on what was then the shores of the Persian Gulf.

The highly respected researcher of alternative history, Andrew Collins, wrote extensively about the Ubaid Culture in his best-selling book, From the Ashes of Angels. The following excerpt is taken from an article at his website.

The Serpent People

By 5500 BC the inhabitants of the Kurdish foothills were beginning to descend in great numbers on to the plains of Mesopotamia. It was around this date that Eridu (the biblical Erech), the Fertile Crescent's first city, was established with its own temple complex that included an underground ritual pool.

Sometime around 5000 BC saw the arrival on to the northern plains of Mesopotamia of a new culture who are known today as the Ubaid (after Tell al- 'Ubaid, the mound-site where their presence was first detected during excavations by the eminent Near Eastern archaeologist Sir Leonard Woolley in 1922). They brought with them their own unique artistic style and funerary practices, including the habit of placing very strange anthropomorphic figurines in the graves of the dead. The statuettes were either male or female (although predominantly female), with slim, well-proportioned naked bodies, wide shoulders, and strange reptilian heads that scholars generally refer to as `lizard-like' in appearance. They bear long, tapered faces like snouts, with wide, eye-slits - usually elliptical pellets of clay pinched to form what are known as `coffee-bean' eyes - and a thick, dark plume of bitumen on their heads to represent a coil of erect hair (similar coils fashioned in clay appear on some of the heads found at Jarmo). All statuettes display either female pubic hair or male genitalia.

Each Ubaid figurine has its own unique pose. By far the strangest and most compelling shows a naked female holding a baby to her left breast. The infant's left hand clings on to the breast, and there can be little doubt that it is suckling milk. It is a very touching image, although it bears one chilling feature - the child has long slanted eyes and the head of a reptile. This is highly significant, for it suggests that the baby was seen as having been born with these features. In other words, the `lizard-like' heads of the figurines are not masks, or symbolic animalistic forms, but abstract images of an actual race believed by the Ubaid people to have possessed such reptilian qualities.

In the past these `lizard-like' figurines have been identified by scholars as representations of the Mother Goddess - a totally erroneous assumption since some of them are obviously male - while ancient astronaut theorists such as Erich von Daniken have seen fit to identity them as images of alien entities. In my opinion, both explanations attempt to bracket the clay figurines into popular frameworks that are insufficient to explain their full symbolism. Furthermore, since most of the examples found were retrieved from graves, where they were often the only item of any importance, Sir Leonard Woolley concluded that they represented `chthonic deities' - that is, underworld denizens connected in some way with the rites of the dead.

In addition to this realization, it seems highly unlikely that they represent lizard-faced individuals, since lizards are not known to have had any special place in Near Eastern mythology. Much more likely is that the heads are those of serpents which are known to have been associated with Sumerian underworld deities such as Ningiszida, Lord of the Good Tree.

Since the heads of the Ubaid figurines appear to be styled on the much earlier examples found at Jarmo in the Kurdish mountains, were they highly abstract representations of viper-faced Watchers?

That these figurines were found specifically in grave sites suggests that they were connected with some kind of superstitious practice involving rites of the dead. What were the Ubaid attempting to achieve by placing such strange images alongside their deceased relatives? Were they trying to ensure the safe passage of the soul into the next world, or were they attempting to protect the corpse once the burial had taken place?
In later Babylonian tradition there was a true fear that if the dead were not interred in the correct manner, then their souls would be taken down into the underworld to become blood-sucking Edimmu. Is this what the Ubaid feared - that their departed would be made into vampires if the viper-faced Watchers were not appeased in the current manner? Did this include the burial of figurines bearing abstract features connected with their distorted memory of the fallen race?

http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/articles/ashes/ashespreview_three.html

The Naga belief in the worship of serpents is still widely practiced in various parts of India and Indonesia to this day. The belief is rooted in the worship of 'Adisesha,' the "world serpent" or "thousand hooded serpent" that serves as the throne of the Vedic Sun god, Vishnu. The world serpent also is worshipped as the god Balarama ('the strong Rama') who is believed to be the avatar or incarnation of Adisesha. In the Egypto-Dravidian based languages, (which typically use the double aa) it is reasonable to conclude that Balarama became known in the Middle East as the Canaanite god Baal.

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Postby Coomba98 » Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:46 am

ThePhiGuy,

Im gonna order "Underworld" by Graham Hancock tomorrow or def by the end of the week.

Regarding Atlantis, im not much of a believer. I think it was just a story told from a grandfather to his grandson). Dont get me wrong I love the stories of Atlantis. If its entertaining then I will read it regardless of wheather I believe it to be true or not.

Very nice take on the Enuma Elish. Better/More detailed interp then mine and totally along the same lines. Yours is just more elaborated (so long as it backs up), the begining and background that is.
I must admit I know very little of the Indian 'Myths'. Keep it coming with the rest as im keen. However......

----your not describing the Sitchin Hypothesis!! Can you here the Sitchin fans go Nooooooo! (Who agree with the Nibiru Theory) Its a space battle! All of it!----- lol :lol:

Except the 50 names of Marduk in 7th tablet, in which is supposed to list nothing but..... the 50 names as quoted by Sitchin in, well pretty much all his book. Well he may not have elaborated therefore letting the reader assume the table lists nothing but the 50 names.
(Dont get me wrong I love Sitchin, he got me into Sumeria and he has done alot of great work! but this theory, and the Gold for the atmosphere...... nup)

Keep it coming as im keen to see your take on the whole tale.

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Postby ThePhiGuy » Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:23 am

Hi Coomba,

I'm sure glad to see you are feeling better.

Just a quickie here because I've got to write today's installment which will mostly be on Anu!

I just wanted to say that I am not defending the position that the inundated land mass in the South China Sea was called "Atlantis." That's a whole big can of worms and I don't even want to go there. But I am defending that map I posted showing that a rather large land mass existed in the South China Sea during the last Ice Age.

Santos writes:

The map leaves no room for doubt about the reality of what we are affirming concerning Lemurian and Indian Atlantis, one almost wholly sunken, and the other sunken to a very considerable extension. We remark that this map — in contrast to most others presenting proposed sites for Atlantis and/or Lemuria — is purely scientific, rather than an invention of ours or of others. It is based on the detailed geophysical reconstruction of the seafloors in the region in question, and portrays the areas of depth under 100 meters, which were obviously exposed during the Ice Age, when sea level dropped by that amount and even more.

In fact, several strictly scientific, similar maps exist, and can be seen elsewhere, inclusive in the Internet. One of these maps, was published in the National Geographic Magazine (vol. 174, No. 4, Oct. 1988, pg. 446-7) and is reproduced, for comparison, in Fig. 2 below. It shows the world as it was some 18,000 years ago, at the peak of the last glaciation of the Pleistocene Ice Age. As can be seen, this map corresponds quite closely with ours, shown in Fig. 1.




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And he's right. The maps that Hancock presents in his book "Underworld" are based off the same scientific evidence.

That's the landmass that qualified as "the best real estate on earth" during the last Ice Age. The people who lived there had the right climate, abundant food, and abundant natural resources during the last Ice, when everbody else was barely staying alive.

And you could call that chunk of land "FUBAR" for all I care! 8)

That landmass was still there. And the people living on it were evidently capable of advancing a great technological age and were thousands of years ahead of anybody else. If the Vedic texts are any evidence, then there is every reason to believe that same society decided their technology gave them the right to take over the Middle East and be worshipped as "gods."

And hey, I don't care whether the Anunnaki were extraterrestrials or human, I DON'T LIKE THEM. I didn't even like them back in the day when I actually believed everything Sitchin said.

Stichin, in my estimation had "an agenda." He was Jewish, and the Jews are descendant from the Anunnaki. It was perhaps in his own best interest to convince people that his race was descended from extraterrestrial gods, I don't really know. But what I do know is that in many places his scholarship absolutely sucked.

Later dude. I've got to get busy on todays installment.
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Postby Coomba98 » Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:39 am

PhiGuy,

Just incase you need a nudge. Here it is.... Nudge nudge.

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Postby ThePhiGuy » Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:56 am

Sorry, I didn't write a new installment yesterday. I had a killer headache most of the day and my brain just wouldn't kick into high gear.

YAYATI

The lunar Naga dynasty of Nahusha begat the dynasty of Yayati who, according to the Vedic histories had five sons (one of them Anu) who, by Vedic beliefs are said to symbolize the five peoples of mankind, similar to the role played by the three sons of Noah in the Bible tale. Frawley states, "These may be five social groups, or as we have already seen, the five regions of India and their inhabitants." (Frawley, p.135)

In the Mahabharata, the author states:

"Emperor Yayati was one of the ancestors of the Pandavas. He had never known defeat. He followed the dictates of the sastras, (the rules) adored the gods and venerated his ancestors with intense devotion. He became a famous ruler devoted to the welfare of his subjects." (C. Rajagopalachari, Mahabharata, p 30)

The Wikipedia article on Yayati reports:

"He had two wives, Devayani and Sharmishtha. Devayani was the daughter of Shukracharya, the priest of Asuras (the demons). Sharmishtha was the daughter of the Demon King Vrishparva. Sharmishthe was a friend and servant of Devyani. After hearing of his relationship with second wife Sharmishta, from Devayani her father, sage Shukracharya cursed Yayati to old age in the prime of life, but later allowed him to exchange it with his son, Puru. His story finds mention in the Mahabharata-Adi Parva and also Bhagavata Purana."

Other than this strange little tale which seems to have been metaphor or allegory alluding to something profound about love, lust and devotion, Yayati's major claim to fame seems to be in the fact that he had five sons. They were Turvasha, Yadu, Puru, Druhyu, and Anu. I suspect these names represent races that were already long in existence before Yayati's time, but ancient Vedic scribes evidently felt a great need to make up a story for every little teensy detail in Vedic life so they produced a story about Yayati. These five "sons" may simply represent tribes that lived in Yayati's time and came under his rule. Perhaps Yayati chose to name each of his biological sons after one of those tribes as a way of honoring the people that he ruled. Or that's my take on his dynasty. Then again, I could be wrong.

Yayati married two Asura women, which suggests he was an Asura too, which means his was still another lunar dynasty. Though he was the son and heir of the Naga king, Nahusha, I haven't found any evidence suggesting that he was considered a Naga king as well. But then, I haven't done any study of the Bhagavata Purana, which is also supposed to mention further details about Yayati's dynasty.

There is evidence, however, that from Nahusha forward, the Vedic people were considered by the Brahmin priesthoods to have existed in a "fallen state." Frawley writes, "As kings and peoples fell from the earlier ages of light, so did the seer families. Their main fall consisted in the practice of black magic or the negative use of the occult." (ibid. p 143)

I should note here that even at this early date, various tales in the Rig Veda suggest that Indra and the heads of the seer families were already using "astras" and there are many tales suggesting that rather high tech weapons were being employed by the elite or heads of state.
In Hindu mythology, an astra was a supernatural weapon, presided over by a specific deity. To summon or use an astra required knowledge of a specific incantation or invocation, when armed. This is probably where the "negative use of black magic and the occult" came into play. The deity invoked would then endow the weapon with power, making it impossible to counter through regular means. Specific conditions existed involving the use of astras, the violation of which could be fatal. Because of the power involved, the knowledge involving an astra was passed from a teacher to a pupil by word of mouth alone, and only following the establishment of the student's character. Certain astras had to be handed down from the deity involved directly, knowledge of the incantation being insufficient to make the weapon work on its own. (Wikipedia article, "Astra")

This isn't to say that the bulk of the Vedic warriors had access to astra weapons, any more than the average guy in America has access to a stealth fighter plane or the little red button that says "nuke em." The bulk of the Vedic warriors seem to have fought riding horses or elephants, and typically used lances, bows and arrows.

Never-the-less, it behooves us all to realize that when we consider the evidence for high tech weapons and vimanas (UFOs) so clearly apparent in the Vedic texts, it was believed that some sort of magic incantation or spell had to be used to make the weapon work. I have often wondered if the spoken "incantation" wasn't simply some means of communication with military headquarters where the guy in charge (the 'god' or 'demon' as the case may be) would power up the weapon that was going to be used.

The Vedic texts are simply filled with all sorts of "magic weapons", but in my opinion, those texts seem to have been written so that the bulk of the Vedic people would believe their gods possessed "great magic", when in fact the magic seemed to be based entirely on an advanced technology, the control of which was only in the hands of a few.

The following are astras mentioned in the Ramayana and Mahabharata:

1. The Indraastra belonged to the deity Indra, the god of weather or the "storm god." The weapon would bring about a 'shower' of arrows from the sky.

2. The Agniastra belonged to the deity Agni, who was the god of fire. The weapon discharged would emit flames inextinguishable through normal means.

3. The Varunaastra belonged to Varuna, the god of water. The weapon discharged would release torrential volumes of water. This weapon is commonly mentioned as used to counter the Agneyastra or fire weapon.

4. The Bhargavastra belonged to the Bhrugu clan to which Parashuram belonged. Parashuram gave this astra to Karna. It caused great damage to Pandavas army.

5. The Nagaastra was the weapon of the Nagas. The weapon would have an inerring aim and take on the form of a snake, proving deadly upon impact.

6. The Nagapaasha also belonged to the Nagas. Upon impact, this weapon would bind the target in coils of living venomous snakes.(in the Ramayana, it was used against Lord Rama and Lakshmana by Indrajit)

7. The Vayvayaastra was the weapon of Vayu, god of wind. It would bring about a gale capable of lifting armies off the ground. (Sounds like a tornado, huh?)

8. The Suryastra was a weapon belonging to Surya,(Vishnu) the god of the sun. It would create a dazzling light that would dispel any darkness about.

9. The Vajra was another weapon belonging to Indra. The target would be struck with bolts of lightning (vajra referring to Indra's thunderbolt).

10. The Mohini belonged to Mohini, who was an Avatar of Vishnu. It would dispel any form of maya or sorcery in the vicinity. (Sounds like it could shut down the weapons of the enemy.)

11. The Twashtar was the weapon of Twashtri, who was called "the heavenly builder." When used against a group of opponents (such as an army), it would cause them to mistake each other for enemies and fight each other.

12. The Sammohana belonged to Pramohana. This weapon would cause entire armies to collapse in a trance.

13. The Parvataastra (I don't know who was in charge of it) would cause a mountain to fall on the target from the skies. (It sounds like a directed volcanic explosion to me.)

14. The Brahmaastra belonged to Brahma, the Creator. It would destroy entire hosts at once and could also counter most other astras.

15. The Brahmasirsha also belonged to Brahma. It was capable of killing devas. And is thought that the Brahmasirsha is the evolution of the Brahmastra.

16. The Narayanaastra belonged to Vishnu, the Preserver. It would create showers of arrows and discs. The astra's power would increase with the resistance offered to it. This weapon had to be obtained from Vishnu directly, and could be used only once. If the user were to attempt invoking it a second time, it would rebound on him, and possibly, his troops.

17. The Vaishnavaastra also belonged to Vishnu. It would destroy a target completely, irrespective of target's nature. It was considered to be Infallible. This weapon had to be obtained from Vishnu directly.

18. The Pashupatastra was the weapon of Shiva, the Destroyer. It would destroy a target completely, irrespective of target's nature. It too was considered infallible. The weapon had to be obtained from Shiva directly.

So, what do you guys think these weapons did? I'd like to hear your ideas.

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Re: The Enuma Elish as interpreted by Coomba98

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Postby ThePhiGuy » Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:48 pm

Before I get started on Anu, I'd just like to say that I don't really have a clue who Brahma was, but when I read through that list of weapons that he and his pantheon created, I'm dang certain of one thing. He was nobody I'd ever worship as a Creator god.


ANU

Okay, now we finally get to the tribe of Anu and this tribe really has quite a history as far as the Vedic texts are concerned. As I stated in an earlier post, the tribe of Anu occupied the Northwest corner of India. They lived along the Ravi River, which is a territory of the Indus or "Sindh River" as it was called in antiquity. The region where they lived is known as the Punjab today and it's known to be one of the wealthier regions in India with an abundant list of natural resources. The Anu tribe occupied the region that is in the fertile, rolling foothills at the base of the Himalayan Mountain Range.

And I consider the place where they lived to be of some importance, for if Manu, the Vedic Noah, did indeed assist Matsya (the Big Fish or Vessel) in saving high tech weapons and Vimanas (etc.) from being destroyed when Mu-Atlantis (or FUBAR if you prefer) was being inundated, the Vedic texts say that vessel ended up in the Himalayas.

So, in my estimation, if any tribe had access to a cache of ancient high tech weapons, I suspect it would have been Anu's tribe. They were in the right location. It should be noted here that various Vedic texts assure us that the weapons and Vimanas of the gods were literally built to last forever. The Vimanas were supposedly made of a metal that did not wear out or rust and there is indeed some physical evidence that seems to back these statements up.

The famous iron pillar at New Delhi is thought to be between 1600 and 2900 years of age and it simply does not rust. The pillar weighs more than six tons and has attracted the attention of archaeologists and metallurgists around the world. It's been called "a testament to the skill of ancient Indian blacksmiths" because of the pillar's high resistance to corrosion, in spite of the fact that it sits in a region of India that gets a considerable amount of rain.

Whatever the secret was in the fabrication of the metal, that pillar certainly indicates to me that when the Vedic texts say their Vimanas and weapons were built to "last forever," they were not likely exaggerating. Furthermore that pillar also indicates that the closely guarded secret of fabricating iron that would not rust was being passed down from one generation to the next from the time of India's great flood. No doubt the Vedic scribes simply told the people it "was made by magic", but I suspect that to this day, there is at least one group of seers in India that still has access to written instructions that describe the process.

Anu's people were Vedic Aryans and like all other Aryans of that time, they worshipped the god Indra. But, the thing is, in the Rig's famous "Battle of the Ten Kings" (the War of Sudas) both sides worshipped Indra, so Indra had to chose which side he would back in the war. It was a civil war and ultimately Indra chose to back Sudas, The war took place in the Punjab along the Ravi River, which was right smack dab in the middle of Anu's territory. Anu is counted among the ten kings that fought against Sudas in the battle.

You can read the article titled "Battle of the ten Kings" at Wikipedia, but I sure wouldn't put give any credence to the dates Wiki gives for the battle. Whoever wrote that article was evidently among those who attach very late dates to most of India's history, ignoring the fact that many of India's top historians place this war (and others) at a much earlier time. The famous Mahabharata war (which lasted only 18 days) is believed to have ended in 3106 BC. The Ramayana War took place before that, and the War of Sudas took place long before these other well-known wars.

I date things by cross referencing Mesopotamian texts to the Vedic texts. We know the tribe of Anu appears in Sumer before the major flood of the Middle East takes place, and we also know that Anu's people closely follow the arrival of the Ubaid culture to ancient Sumer. As I stated earlier, the Ubaid- Naga cult of Nahusha worshipped Enki-Ea. So it's not that difficult to date their arrival. The Ubaid period is thought to begin about 6500 BC, and we can date the big Flood epic of the Middle East to the Black Sea Flood that happened circa 5600 B.C. So I figure that the Anunnaki had to arrive in Sumer between 6500-5600 BC.

Frawley dates the War of Sudas to around 6000 BC, and this date meshes well with the Sumerian accounts of the arrival of the Anunnaki to Sumer. Unfortunately, the "experts" appear to be either proficient in the study of the Mesopotamian texts, or they are proficient in the study of the Vedic texts and dang few people seem to be proficient in both. (Part of my hope in writing this is that some of you reading it may decide to run with it, do some intense study of both cultures and help put together a history that pulls it all together. It certainly needs to be done.)

Frawley writes:
"While the Battle of the Ten Kings is not specifically mentioned in the Puranas, the effects of this war may appear in this story. Sudas, who can be identified with Puru in the story, divided up the five peoples and had some leave the area. This explains the lineages of Turvasha, Druhyu and Anu, since these were the main people who oppose Sudas. The king of the Purus took over the central throne of India from Yayati. The dynasty of Yayati, probably founded by Nahusha, had degenerated and was 'purified' by Puru who tried to reestablish a more spiritual kingdom. The other, perhaps older peoples of this dynasty, Turvasha and so on, who had probably become quite powerful in their own right, resented this and tried to take it back from the Purus; they formed an alliance and attacked the Puru king, Sudas." Frawley believes this is why the War of Sudas began.

Never-the-less, he also states "The Aryans were already colonizing the world by the time of Yayati. After the war of Sudas, they were protective of their no-corporate-stores-here!. (Okay, this one stumps me. The word I wrote denotes the line that divides one nation from another. You know, as in "The USA needs to protect her xxxxxxx from Mexico" which just also happens to be a word for a major corporation.) :? Yet many of the people defeated by Sudas reformed themselves and became true Aryans again." (Frawley p. 138)

So to briefly repeat what I've said in previous posts, Anu was a Vedic Aryan whose tribe was among the ten kings that lost the war. The Rig records that either 6,666 or 66,666 members of the tribe of Anu and the tribe of Druhyus were "put to sleep" at the end of that war. (The number quoted depends on who is doing the translating.) We also know that at war's end, the remainder of these two tribes was declared "fallen" and "partially driven out of India."

I would say there is considerable evidence indicating that the majority of people belonging to the tribe of Anu who stayed on in India were not particularly liked and their reputation for being a "fallen race" evidently stayed with them.

Wikipedia reports "Anu gave rise to the Mleccha tribe, Tusharas (Tukharas, Tocharians), with their kingdom located in the north west of India as per the epic Mahabharata." Evidently then, the Tribe of Anu is somehow to be associated with the Tocharians, as in the famous Tocharian mummies that were found in China. As I recall, the mummies suggest they were a fairly tall, white people with red hair, which, by the way, does not seem to be much of a match to the various pictorial evidence we find for the early Sumerians. (Tall, white skinned red heads however do match the description of the Canaanite gods.)

The tribe of Anu is also described as "Mleccha" which is a very, very derogatory term. It means "non-Vedic" or "barbarian" to the Vedic people. The term referred to Foreign Tribes and also to Non-Vedic Indian tribes in ancient India. Mleccha was used by the Vedic tribes rather like the ancient Greeks used barbaros, originally to indicate the uncouth and incomprehensible speech of foreigners and then extended to their unfamiliar behavior. Mlecchas were found in northwestern India.

And, as you may recall, Frawley stated the Anu tribe were called "the people of the harmful speech" in the Rig Veda as well. In the Mahabharata the root Sanskrit word barbar meant stammering, wretch, foreigner, sinful people, low and barbarous. Several of the texts that are known as the "Puranas" state that the seven Himalayan Rivers pass through the Mleccha countries. This, of course was right in the heart of the area where the Tribe of Anu lived. The Brahmanas say the mlecchas are "outside the varma system" (varna means the caste system) which means they were probably among the people that were classified as "untouchables." An "untouchable" was considered someone that was not touched or claimed by God. What this means is that anyone classified as Mleccha or "untouchable" in India was lower than the lowest servant or slave and generally treated accordingly.

I once read a comment on the early history of the Rig, and the author stated that when Indra chose King Sudas to win the Battle of the Ten Kings, he felt bad for Anu's side because they were also the worshippers of Indra and he considered them full Aryans. As a consolation, Indra supposedly offered Anu "a boon" or favor.

Based on the Mesopotamian texts concerning the Anunnaki, it's my guess that Indra promised Anu he would give him the Middle East. In truth, it wasn't Indra's to give, for evidently, the Middle East belonged to a completely different god system.

Well, that's all for today, and I'll continue on tomorrow. Have a nice evening folks. I've got a dinner date…

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Postby ThePhiGuy » Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:28 pm

Before I specifically address the verses found in the Enuma Elish, here are some of the basics behind this view of alternative history.

WHITEWASHED HISTORIES

When I compare the written histories of ancient Mesopotamia and India, things don't quite add up. It's like both systems wrote a history that might be compared to "The Official White House Version" of 911 or the Kennedy Assassination and the official versions are obviously so full of holes and discrepancies that people begin to doubt them and eventually even scream bloody murder about them.

I guess you could say I'm one of the ones who has noticed several gaping holes in the various "official" versions of the tale.

From the War of Sudas on, all the lunar dynasties (the Asuras) that refused to be subordinate to the dynasties that were descended from Sudas were officially "demonized," battled against and "partially driven out" of India. Both the Ramayana and the Mahabharata are books written primarily to demonize and justify the wars against the various Asura tribes. Those lunar kings who agreed to be subordinate to the Devas descendent from Sudas survived and evidently retained their high-born Aryan status.

For all I know the wars that were fought against the Lunar Asuras may have been justified BUT they always resulted in the same outcome. The ruling Deva (solar) dynasties of India warred with and then drove out any Asura tribe that would not bow to them. Once this was done, India then (covertly) set up trading systems between themselves and the people they had driven away.

This appears to be the manner in which India "set up colonies around the world," (as Frawley stated) and from what I can gather, the bulk of the Vedic people in India didn't have a clue what was really going on. They believed the "official" version of history being spoon fed them by their priesthoods. The people were told that the cultures living outside of India were all "fallen Aryans" and the Vedic histories seem to more or less ignore those lands. But the "fallen Aryans" of the Middle East merely worshipped the same gods as were worshipped in India, only they called those gods by different names. The over-all picture is one that suggests an all-out-attempt at establishing a one-world rule where all cultures bowed to the gods of the Vedic Aryans. First their worship belonged to Indra who ultimately fell and was replaced by Vishnu, the god hiding behind all Sun god worship all around the world.

THE CHANGING FACES OF GOD

Frawley believes that the first ruling god of the Vedic people may have been Varuna, (Poseidon to the Greeks, Neptune to the Romans) the god of the Sea. The Varuna cult seems to be intimately tied to Ayus or Ea who in turn seems to be tied into the Matsya-Dagon identities. As stated earlier, Indra led an early war against the dynasty of Ayus, and it's reasonable to assume that the tribe of Ayus was at that time "partially driven out of India" because we know the tribe of Ayus-Ea certainly ended up in Sumer. Indra then takes over as the high god of the Vedic people and the Rig Veda is primarily the tale describing the age of his rule.

Eventually Indra fell out of favor and the worship of the Vedic people was then transferred over to Vishnu, who is the Sun god or "the preserver" of the Vedic trinity and Shiva who is the primordial Moon god or "the destroyer." In all cases, the remaining lunar dynasties in India are eventually "absorbed' by the Solar dynasties. The gods of the lunar dynasties were evidently only allowed to exist as long as they towed the line and bowed to the superiority of the Sun god. (We see the same game plan in ancient Egypt as well.) Those from the lunar dynasties who refused to be subordinate to the solar gods were identified as Asuras, were demonized, and were either killed in wars or were driven away. In ancient Egypt, as in India, popular Lunar gods,( like Osirus), were matter-of-factly killed and then quickly absorbed into the Solar boat of Ra only after their deaths.

The Rig Veda contains hymns of the "world's beginning" and speaks of the creation of the Sun, "the light of the world," from the original Cosmic Sea. Let us not go too far overboard and assume that this is a description of the creation of solar system; it's not. In my estimation the verses describe the creation of the Deva or solar dynasties upon the land mass that once existed along the Sunda shelf, long ago before the end of the Ice Age. (See maps in previous posts.)

When the Gods stood together in the sea, then as dancers they generated a swirling dust. When, like ascetics, the Gods overflowed the worlds, they brought fourth the Sun. (RgV X.72.6-7)


Indra is called "the Father of the Sun" in several verses of the Rig but interestingly, the Rig Veda also refers to Indra by the name of "Shiva" (the lunar god) at least four times. These verses seem to reflect a time in early Vedic history when both the solar and lunar dynasties were held with equal high regard, and Indra, as the storm god, ruled over both solar and lunar kings.


WHISPERS FROM THE INUNDATED MOTHERLAND

Many verses in the Rig describe Indra as the Ocean.

Indra has an extent like the sea (RgV I.30.3)
Indra, an ocean of wealth (RgV I.51.1)
Indra, extensive as the sea. (RgV I.52.4)
Hymns to Indra like the ocean in their convergence. (RgV I.56.2)

In the slope of the mountains, in the concourse of the rivers, by the power of the hymn the sage (Indra) was born. Hence, arisen conscious he looks down upon the sea from which awakening he stirs. (RgV VII.6.28.9)


Not only is Indra compared to the sea, his thunderbolt with which he slays the dragon (probably the lunar marine cults of Ayus and Nahusha) is found in the ocean. Even Indra's chariot encompasses the seas. (Frawley, p. 50)

The thunderbolt lies within the ocean enclosed by the waters. (RgV VII.100.9)
Indra, not by the seas or mountains is your chariot contained. (RgV II.16.3)


Other texts seem to describe Indra coming by air (Vimana) from his domain in the Ocean.

Whether you are in the luminous realm of Heaven or in the domain of the sea, whether in the station of the Earth or in the atmosphere, come to us, Indra (RgV VIII.97.5)

Whether in the east, the south, the north or the west you are called by men, come quickly with your powers; whether you exalt yourself on the slope of Heaven, in the Sun-world or in the ocean of Soma. (RgV VIII.65.2-3)

Come to us quickly, Indra, from Heaven or Earth, from the Ocean or the heavenly Sea. (RgV IV.21.3)


FLOODS USED LIKE WEAPONS

Floods are one of the major ways that Indra defeated the enemies of his followers. Here I am not speaking of the big cataclysmic flood event that brought on the end of the Ice Age, but the numerous smaller floods that Indra and his warrior gods regularly produced in the following millennia to destroy their enemies and free up occupied lands for their Aryan followers. Indra declared:

I was the Father of the human race and the Sun. I am the seer Kakshivan. I humbled the sage Kutsa. I am the seer Ushanas, behold me. I gave the Earth to the Aryans, the rain to my mortal worshipper. I led the roaring floods. The Gods moved according to my direction. (RgV IV.26.1-2)


Throughout the Rig Veda, repeatedly Indra destroys the enemies of his favorites by flood. The picture created in the Rig is of a Vimana-driving war lord who surveys the earth after Mu was destroyed by cataclysm and the rising waters of the sea due to the Ice Age melt down.

Though the Ice Age glaciers had melted throughout the lowlands over much of the earth, high up in the mountain ranges around the world the air was much cooler, the melt-down was much slower and huge glacial lakes of melt waters were held back by either ice dams or the rubble dams created earlier by the force of moving glaciers. In the Vedic texts there is the story of Indra unfairly and deceitfully destroying a famous sage by the name of Vitra, but word has a double meaning and also means 'blockage or dam.' In every culture that I know of the priests and scribes always employed the use of 'sacred puns' which were often words or ideas that had multiple possible meanings. The writers of India's sacred texts were no different than the Mesopotamian scribes in that respect.

The picture I get when I read the texts from the Rig is of Indra and his Vimana-driving War Lords blowing up those ice or rubble dams to send enormous walls of raging water furiously tumbling down the mountain sides to wipe out the people living in the cities and valleys below. The Rig tells us that Indra does this over and over again, destroying upwards of one hundred cities at a time. Furthermore, he expresses great delight in doing so.

I gave the earth to the Aryans….I led the roaring floods, The Gods moved according to my direction. In ecstasy I destroyed at once the ninety-nine cities of Shambara, and the hundredth habitation completely when I aided Divodasa. (RgV IV.26.2-3)


Indra does this for his beloved Maruts, who are the seer families, warriors, wandering sages and friends of Indra. They are the Aryans who have gained Indra's special favor. Many of the Maruts are evidently even resettled across the sea in the Middle East, where some of the Marut tribes devoted to Indra eventually become known as the Amorites. The Hittites, who worshipped Indra (originating from Mongolia,) called him by the name of "Indara" and crossed into the Middle East by land. But the Rig tells us that many of Indra's Marut followers were carried to their new homes by traveling in ships that sailed upon the sea.

Maruts, let there be for us a powerful hero who is the almighty ruler of men, through whom we may cross the waters to good habitations and dwell in our homes with you. (RgV VII.56.2-4)


It should be noted here that in spite of the fact that Indra decided to back King Sudas in the Battle of the Ten Kings, the Rig definitely describes the tribe of Anu as 'Maruts.' (Frawley, p 137)

IN THE MEANTIME…

India's merchant marine trading vessels clearly moved up into the Persian Gulf, and set up the Island of Bahrain (Dilmun) to be the headquarters that controlled the trade with the "demonized" Sumerians (the Tribes of Anu, Ayus-Ea, and Nahusha-Naga-Baal) who were the people that had been previously driven out of India.

We can reasonably date these events to after the Ice Age Melt Down (i.e. the flood known around the world) simply because according to the scientific data the Persian Gulf had no water in it (as in zilch, kaput, da nada) until circa 8,600 BC. The gulf did not reach its present stage of water depth until about 2,800 BC. Sitchin, who tried to date Enki-Ea's marine mining of the Persian gulf to circa 445,000 BC, was so off the mark it seems just plain inane. (See the scientific maps of the water depth in the Persian Gulf in Graham Hancock's Underworld, Three Rivers Press, 2002, pp 41-47)

The Vedic Aryans evidently also set up and controlled the marine trade that traveled up the Red Sea to trade with Egypt, parts of Africa, and the Arabic nations bordering the east side of the Red Sea. It's interesting to note that in a recent history written by a Jewish Rabbi he doesn't refer to the Ethiopian Queen as the "Queen of Sheba" but instead refers to the territory at the headwaters of the Gulf of Aden (Red Sea) as the land of "Sheva". He states that that both Yeman and Ethiopia were known by this name in antiquity. Of course, 'Sheva' would be just an alternative spelling for Shiva or Siva. The same Vedic culture also evidently colonized Phoenicia which eventually controlled the marine trade throughout the nations bordering the Mediterranean, Aegean, and Black Sea. In this manner the ships that acted as "the embassy of the Sun" began setting up Vedic colonies in Europe as well.

Large sea-going vessels can carry a good deal more than trade goods; they can also carry warriors and priests…

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