Aliens and Ancient Engineers (September 1, 2011)

[Moon]

Ancient engineers get a look in this episode airing Thursday, September 1, 2011. This one will look at the mountain tops that appear to be removed and other ancient engineering marvels throughout the ancient world.

[Ace Rimmer]

Ancient engineers get a look in this episode airing Thursday, September 1, 2011. This one will look at the mountain tops that appear to be removed and other ancient engineering marvels throughout the ancient world.

Oh this should be good. Thanks for the heads up Max.

[Dr Z.]

This episode has tremendous potential. We still are not sure how Greek fire worked to this day.

[Vance]

Seriously looking forward to this one - it's a make or break episode in my opinion.

[Moon]

Seriously looking forward to this one - it's a make or break episode in my opinion.

I hate to admit it, but it is the same with me too. There have been a few interesting things in this season so far, but most have been disappointing for the most part, especially last night's episode on mystery rituals.

[Foxlike Mulder]

Seriously looking forward to this one - it's a make or break episode in my opinion.

I hate to admit it, but it is the same with me too. There have been a few interesting things in this season so far, but most have been disappointing for the most part, especially last night's episode on mystery rituals.

I agree, nothing really new.

I will watch them all, but this is the one that will make me believe the show has a future.

[Moon]

I plan on continuing to watch all the episodes, no matter how lackluster the last one has been. It still is an entertaining show and is much better than much of the stuff on the air.

As others have noted, I do think many episodes are geared as primers to those who are new to the ancient astronauts theory.

[roncoallstar]

Got a feeling this will be a stunning episode. Can't wait. The topic of engineering alone could be an entire 16 episode season of AA. There are SO many huge monuments to cover...

[Dr Z.]

Seriously looking forward to this one - it's a make or break episode in my opinion.

I also concur. The new season has failed to clear the very high bar of the first two. However, this episode to me has amazing potential. I only hope Giorgio and crew are up the task of connecting the dots.

By the way, we are now “ making “ land by taking it from other locations, and dumping it in shallow water. The same could have been done 1000’s of years ago to create an island. I hope they test various rocks, and go full steam ahead on possible archeological finds.

[goldenstar]

I'm looking so forward to this one as well!!

[Vance]

I'd give this episode a solid B. Pretty hard to mess up such an important subject in the AA field with the highest degree of supportive evidence, though.

I wish they would have gone deeper into the acoustic levitation technology, maybe give a few more examples around the world where that could have happened.

I also think there was a whole PILE of stuff on Puma Punku they could have covered, I know they talked about it in season 1, but that place is so rich in topics they could do a whole hour long episode on it alone.

I still think it's the best of season 2 so far.

[Sagittarii]

Good show last night. My favorite subject in AAT is the stone megaliths and ancient carving techniques because they defy explanation. And also the uncanny resemblance between Giza and the Pyramid of the Sun complex(forget name) is just absolute proof imo something was going on back in ancient time we can't explain.

And how about those crisscross cut marks Giorgio got excited about? I don't blame him that is INSANE!

[seeker1117]

I'd say they've begun to redeem themselves in the eyes of their 'base' with this one! I'd seriously never heard of several of the sites they focused on, and it left me wanting more.

One of the main things I loved was the comparison of the layout of the "city of the dead" in Mexico to a CIRCUIT BOARD! What I wanna see is someone seriously copy that layout and MAKE a PC board and install components and see just what the heck it's capable of!

The temples in India blew me away. Just can't get enough o'that stuff! And the site in South America that WASN'T MacchuPichu (for a change) was amazing as well.

All in all, best of the third season so far.

[Buzi-Blu]

I've just watched this episode (haven't seen the others) and agree it was interesting. It got off to a decent start with Ollantaytambo but I would have liked to have seen more engineers interviewed than the many AAT authors. It went a bit downhill from there I thought, quite good but very speculative, and showing Khafre's Pyramid instead of the Great Pyramid is such a clumsy mistake.

The discussion of Malta was intriguing, I'd forgotten all that. Still, such claims that the cart-ruts could be train lines are very weak and showing the Shuttle being moved has no bearing on the matter. Similarly with comparing a circuit board to the City of the Dead - circuit boards naturally resemble cities because of their linear arrangement.

The most frustrating part was the frequent mention of evidence of machine tooling marks, but none of this was shown in any detail.

Interesting and certainly worth watching, it sparks curiosity and hopefully further investigation but hard evidence only comes from the detail.

[Moon]

So far, this has been the best episode of the entire series. Only one hour to cover the most fascinating evidence to show the validity of ancient astronauts and as many pointed out this could of been two or three parts. I loved how they actually had many engineers with PhDs being interviewed as it gave much credence to the theory.

There was a huge amount of information in this episode also and it will take more than one viewing to scope it all in. I also loved how Mr Christopher Dunn showed the photograph of Ramses and put the negative of the same photograph over it in reverse to show how extremely precise it was. They also pointed out the evidence of advanced tools being used, which is always ignored by the mainstreamers. (Mr Dunn's books show very good photographs and close-ups of the tool and drill bit markings he found.)

Malta deserves an hour to itself, and I am glad it did get some coverage. I also am fascinated by the possibility of using levitation or sound waves to move these massive stones that were put up much earlier than the Great Pyramid.

The view of the Mayan ruins that looked like a circuit board was also very interesting, and the finding of mica adds more mystery as they had to go 3000 miles to get it.

Also, the earthquake proof structures in South America that have been shown to of been built thousands of years earlier than the known inhabitants of the area.

This episode more than made up for the others, and I do think it is one of the best that presents actual evidence instead of stories and conjecture.

[amyrigg]

I liked this episode for a very personal reason - when they showed how the avenue of the dead (or whatever it's called) from the air does look like a computer circuit - I think a couple of the pictures I've seen in Erik von Daniken's book Twilight of the gods of glyphs carved into stone look REMARKABLY like computer circuit boards, I can't remember the exact name of the enormous stone carvings that reminded me of this without going and research through the book again (& I'm too lazy to do that right now), but the more I thought about it - i could see a huge otherworld 'ship' land down in that spot and connect to that huge stone like a USB cable. The Ancient Engineer episode took that thought in another direction with seeing a computer circuit from the air in that whole huge pyramid complex - but it's a funky thought & I liked seeing it.

[Foxlike Mulder]

Very good episode. We've seen some of this stuff before, but they layered in more examples, more detail, and made some nice comparisons. I particularly like testimonials from experts like Christopher Dunn. I believe he is now considered an AA Theorist, but his career was built in high end, complex machining; he is also an expert in laser robotics tooling & machining. So when this rather dour crumudgeon says these Egyptian carvings can't be made with tools of their age, and possibly only with today's laser tooling, that's worth listening to. There were some other great examples of megalithic building that shakes your head, especially Ollantaytambo...how is it possible to move those stones down the mountain then back up the other side? Malta too: those cart tracks are interesting, but didn't they say the temple building there pre-dated the invention of the wheel? Cart tracks wouldn't make sense then...

Perhaps most intersting to me is the idea of sonic technology to change matter (and move matter). Or better yet, the combination or layering of various energetic waves (acoustic with electromagnetic)...if somehow we can demonstrate with today's science and tools that we can indeed change or move large objects (such a large boulder), then maybe we can draw some conclusions that this was probably a method undertook by our ancient ancestors; but obviously still, we'd like to know how they figured this advanced technology out. One other interesting angle with sound...I believe it was the underground temple in Malta that made me think of church bells. Rituals are sometimes so old that we lose sight of their original meaning...so the clanging of a massive church bell inside a large cathedral certainly has a certain resonance to it, does it not? Why the bells? Some quick research has led me to believe that there is more to "ringing bells" than just the signal for the beginning of service and reminders of the hour. There was a great value attached to bells as early as Babylon and Egypt; the Celts also had high reverence for their bells (and us too, the Liberty Bell---insert Masonic theory here?). Sound is not only for hearing...it's energy capable of manipulating matter, e.g., breaking glass with a high pitched voice.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/acoust ... ation2.htm

http://www.breakglass.org/How-does-soun ... glass.html

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02418b.htm

[alienjedi]

This was a great episode. Yes, they recovered some stuff but they would with this topic. But so much was new.

That site in India carved entirely right out of the mountain was astonishing. And how did they know how to align rooms that had yet to be carved with stars and planets? Amazing.

Regardless if ancient aliens helped or not it is a human marvel all the same.

[Dr Z.]

I think the Aliens and Ancient Engineers episode will stand the test of time as one of the very best of the series because its proof of concept towers above the rest. Stories, Art, Statues, and Old Texts are one thing. Physical proof is another. There are no way stones that weight could be cut, and moved with human hands and cutting tools from thousand of years ago. The use of experts in the field only reinforces what the authors of the show are speculating on.

One day the mystery might be unlocked. But where? I think the place it will happen is underground or in the mountains. Each show introduces a new carved tunnel or in the case of the place in Turkey a city. Who made them? How many of them are yet to be re-discovered? In addition, what might we find in them?

[Sagittarii]

I'm seriously thinking they knew magic in ancient times. Either they knew magic or there was a civilization that left this world long ago or I guess maybe the aliens did do it....i have a hard time with the alien theory tho. The quarry engineer guy said to move a 50 TON rock they would have to build a road up the mountainside with heavy machinery. A 50 TON object obviously wasn't nothing to the ancients when they were moving rocks that weighed into the hundreds of tons even a 1000 or more!!!! So how'd they do it?

I'm not sold 100% on the AAT yet and the reason is that in our current society we are so disconnected from nature unlike our ancestors. They didn't have the distractions we have now. We wake up go to work in a building come home into a house and go to sleep. We have computers, game consoles, HD televisions, phones, cars etc....these people had nothing to do but look into the heavens and what a sight it was back then when there was no light or ozone pollution. I think maybe they knew magic or were able to connect into the universe somehow which helped them accomplish these inconceivable tasks.

[cRush]

The quarry engineer guy said to move a 50 TON rock they would have to build a road up the mountainside with heavy machinery. A 50 TON object obviously wasn't nothing to the ancients when they were moving rocks that weighed into the hundreds of tons even a 1000 or more!!!! So how'd they do it?

You should place quantities with these achievements. There are a dozen megalithic stones in the entire world that approach or exceed the 1000 ton mark. While there are plenty more stones that exceed 200 tons, the fact remains that the vast majority of megalithic sites are comprised of stones that weigh between 2-10 tons each. While that doesn't discount the significance of fabricating and moving the super massive blocks, it is important to remember that such blocks are scarce.

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I also think this was the best episode of the season, and I believe the last three episodes have slowly been escalating to better and better material.

The Ramsey face statue was just mind blowing. How do you achieve such seemingly perfect symmetry with hand tools? I have no theories beyond using advanced tools far beyond what we attribute to the ancients.

[Moon]

I'm seriously thinking they knew magic in ancient times. Either they knew magic or there was a civilization that left this world long ago or I guess maybe the aliens did do it....i have a hard time with the alien theory tho. The quarry engineer guy said to move a 50 TON rock they would have to build a road up the mountainside with heavy machinery. A 50 TON object obviously wasn't nothing to the ancients when they were moving rocks that weighed into the hundreds of tons even a 1000 or more!!!! So how'd they do it?

I'm not sold 100% on the AAT yet and the reason is that in our current society we are so disconnected from nature unlike our ancestors. They didn't have the distractions we have now. We wake up go to work in a building come home into a house and go to sleep. We have computers, game consoles, HD televisions, phones, cars etc....these people had nothing to do but look into the heavens and what a sight it was back then when there was no light or ozone pollution. I think maybe they knew magic or were able to connect into the universe somehow which helped them accomplish these inconceivable tasks.

Magic or psionic abilities might actually be a plausible explanation as we simply do not know very much about the ancients as we think we do. Mr Colin Wilson has also proposed (along with other authors) we might have had those abilities plus levitation. We also might of been able to use these abilities to travel to other worlds, like a psychic stargate.

cRush, that photo negative of Ramses is one of the best examples of the engineering done thousands of years ago. Mr Christopher Dunn is very well respected and I love how he approached this with the evidence to show those tiny copper tools were too inefficient to of done that type of work.

[cRush]

cRush, that photo negative of Ramses is one of the best examples of the engineering done thousands of years ago. Mr Christopher Dunn is very well respected and I love how he approached this with the evidence to show those tiny copper tools were too inefficient to of done that type of work.

I agree maxmercury. I think this is perhaps the most startling of all the evidence so far presented in the Ancient Egypt portfolio for the existence of machines. Simply amazing! I can't wait to hear what skeptics have to say on this topic. I have no rebuttal, that's for sure.

[Trev12]

There are a few small mistakes in this episode...

Firstly , the head of Ramses II examined by Chris Dunn is from the Luxor temple. This is not the Karnak temple
even though it is in Luxor.

Also, it refers to the ancient temples of Malta being on the Island of Gozo at the start, but yet there are ancient
temples all over malta and this episode shows these temples even though there are on the mainland of malta and
not gozo.

Ok only minor mistakes but the skpetics out there will jump on anything like this to discredit the rest of it. Silly
mistakes that there was no need for ..

[Johnnyboy321]

On Aliens and Engineers, I am not sure if anyone notice, but there looks like a face on the Mayan mountain side where the aliens were carving out the rocks. If you have a little mirror, you can see the face better. Unless is was my abstract imagination playing tricks on me. Also, I want to tell you I really enjoy the Ancient Aliens series too. I am very impressed all the information that was presented in the show. Thank You for you time!

Sincerely,

John Valdez