Who is Jesus (of Christianity)?

[Polaris]

Jesus/Yeshua's mother was inseminated with ancient alien sperm - hence the story of immaculate conception, cuz she wasn't that kind of girl! Sumerian history is replete with stories of half breeds, that history was also transcribed by the Greeks and their pantheon of gods (some were half breeds) and many reference can be found in religious script. Atlas was the son of Zeus (alien) and Hera (earth woman) - no artificial insemination needed there. Atlas had 'super powers' as his alien half allowed him to weld ancient weaponry.

Yeshua being part alien was born with the capacity to learn and comprehend the secret knowledge of the ancient aliens - he was taught the benevolent ways of the ancient alien. I posit that they (the aliens) come from Nibiru and their end goal is to raise our pitiful species out of the depths of self-destruction, just as they learned in their history. Let's not forget the natural disasters that have repeatedly obilterated life on earth...

I also believe the ancient aliens used the same method, of making half breeds with their propensity to understand ancient knowledge, with at least four of the five races of man:
White - Yeshua
Brown - Vishnu
Yellow - Budda
Red - Kukalkan
Am not sure if there is a unifying 'god' (half breed) of the Black race.

Each of these prophets with great patience and grace, taught the ways to spiritual enlightenment - the path to peaceful co-existence and our raison d'etre.

[Bob137]

I have some questions I have asked for the last 50 years, and that have not been answered with any validity yet?
Can God be killed? No!
If not, then how in the heck is Jesus God, if you cannot kill God, since they killed Jesus on the Cross, or can you kill god if you put him on a cross?
It just makes no sense whatsoever!
These questions alone to me prove without a shadow of a doubt, that Jesus was not God, but a man, or an alien hybrid, or artificially inseminated by aliens into his mother, or an alien hybrid that was artificially inseminated into his mother!

Here is a baseball Who's on first scenario:
Is Jesus God? Yes. They killed him? Yes. So God is dead? No. So they did not kill him, Yes they did. then God is dead? No he isn't. Then they did not kill him? Yes they did. Then God is dead? No he isn't. Then they did not kill him? Yes they did, etc.....

[Moon]

The Council of Nicea voted that Jesus was God (or Divine in nature) instead of a human being. The power of politics here.

[Bob137]

Yeah, I know that Max, but the majority of Christians don't, they just believe whatever their preacher, pastor, minister, pope, bishop, or whatever tells them.

[Moon]

Yeah, I know that Max, but the majority of Christians don't, they just believe whatever their preacher, pastor, minister, pope, bishop, or whatever tells them.

Ain't that the sad truth.

[Moon]

Jesus' main claim was that he was a direct descendant of David, which would of given him more of a legal claim to be the King of the Jews. The title Messiah would of been icing on the cake for him.

You are correct about the many different peoples claiming to be the Messiah. I also reviewed a book that made the claim the Messiah was in fact John the Baptist, but his abrupt end put a stop to those claims.

[coomba98]

When I think of Jebus a scene from a Family Guy movie comes to mind.

Have you seen the movie about Stewie and he see;s his future self and they go back in time to see Jebus.

And Jebus does some fancy primative hand ticks to amaze the crowd.

I think Jebus was a very smart man who wanted to get the temple.... well out of the church. The body is now the temple. And God can be worshiped anywhere!!
This is what essentially created Christianity. In my mind the ones controlling the strings aka Rome, took advantage and created a Religion to support the growing Christian crowd.

Has anyone read 'The Warlord Chronicles' By Bernard Cornwell. Its a King Arthur story (the best King Arthur story I have ever read!!). The spread of Christianity in these series is how I view it in our
history. But remember at the time Pagans did to the Christians what the Christians did to the Pagans. Its just that the Christians won the war.

[Bob137]

I have been reading Spiritual Technology of Ancient Egypt by Malkowski, and he has a good way of looking at all religious beliefs, and about 3/4ths the way through he talks of the Jesus scenario belief system, along with the Jewish, and Egyptian beliefs prior to Christianity, and has a conclusion n how it all fits together. Whether Jesus was an actual person, or not, and whether he was from a Jewish or Egyptian royal family, etc.. The symbology involved and evoked b y Christians for Jesus go hand in hand with pagan beliefs and practices, and astrology of the time. Like Max stated the Romans figured a way to capitalize on it, and now we have the wholly roman catholic jesus christian holly roller evangelical god phenomenon, that isn't about becoming one with GOD, but bowing down and kissing his you know what, and giving the church money for it!

[alienjedi]

Jesus was the literal son of "God" who was not of this Earth.

So that makes him an alien. Too bad I can't pick alien/son of "God".

maxmercury

The Council of Nicea voted that Jesus was God (or Divine in nature) instead of a human being. The power of politics here.

No. The ancient copts also believed he was divine. What Nicea said was he literally was God. One and the same being. This is where the catholic belief in the oneness of God through Christ comes from.

[mahalla2]

If one does not believe that Jesus was the Messiah (God's Messenger) written about early on by the prophet Isaiah in the Old Testament then it would seem he/she would not believe that Jesus was the prophet, teacher, rabbi, miracle worker, Messiah written about in the New Testament either, regardless of the evidence - sort of like how some people believe in the AAT but others won't no matter how much evidence is out there - Just my opinion

[Moon]

Here is an interesting article on Jesus and divinity in Wackypedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divinity_of_Jesus

A part taken from that article:

Following the Apostolic Age, from the 2nd century onwards, a number of controversies developed about how the human and divine are related within the person of Jesus. As of the 2nd century, a number of different and opposing approaches developed among various groups. For example, Arianism did not endorse divinity, Ebionism argued that Jesus was an ordinary mortal, while Gnosticism held docetic views which argued that Christ was a spiritual being that only appeared to have a physical body. The resulting tensions lead to schisms within the church in the 2nd and 3rd centuries, and ecumenical councils were convened in the 4th and 5th centuries to deal with the issues. Eventually in 451 the Hypostatic union was decreed, namely that Jesus is both fully divine and fully human, making this part of the creed of Orthodox Christianity. Although some of the debates seemed to be over a theological iota, they took place in controversial political circumstances and resulted in a schism that formed the Church of the East.

In 325 the First Council of Nicaea defined the persons of the Godhead and their relationship with one another - decisions which were re-ratified at the First Council of Constantinople in 381. The language used was that the one God exists in three persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit); in particular it was affirmed that the Son was homoousios (of same substance) as the Father. The Nicene Creed declared the full divinity and full humanity of Jesus.

In 431, the First Council of Ephesus was initially called to address the views of Nestorius on Mariology, but the problems soon extended to Christology, and schisms followed. The 431 council was called because in defense of his loyal priest Anastasius, Nestorius had denied the Theotokos title for Mary and later contradicted Proclus during a sermon in Constantinople. Pope Celestine I (who was already upset with Nestorius due to other matters) wrote about this to Cyril of Alexandria who orchesterated the council. During the council Nestorius defended his position by arguing that there must be two persons of Christ, one human, the other Divine, and Mary had given birth only to a human and hence could not be called the Theotokos, i.e. the one who gives birth to God. The debate about the single or dual nature of Christ ensued in Ephesus.

The Council of Ephesus debated hypostasis (co-existing natures) versus monophysitism (only one nature) versus miaphysitism (two natures united as one) versus Nestorianism (disunion of two natures). From the Christological viewpoint, the council adopted hyposthasis, i.e. co-existing natures, but its language was less definitive than the 451 Council of Chalcedon. The Oriental Orthodox rejected this and subsequent councils and to date consider themselves to be miaphysite. By contrast, to date Roman Catholics believe in the hypostatic union and the Trinity. The council also confirmed the Theotokos title and excommunicated Nestorius.

The 451 Council of Chalcedon was highly influential and marked a key turning point in the Christological debates that broke apart the church of the Eastern Roman Empire in the 5th century. It is the last council which many Anglicans and most Protestants consider ecumenical. It fully promulgated the hypostatic union, stating that the human and divine natures of Christ co-exist, yet each is distinct and complete. Although, the Chalcedonian Creed did not put an end to all Christological debate, it did clarify the terms used and became a point of reference for many future Christologies. Most of the major branches of Christianity —Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, Anglicanism, Lutheranism, and Reformed — subscribe to the Chalcedonian Christological formulation, while many branches of Eastern Christianity - Syrian Orthodoxy, Assyrian Church, Coptic Orthodoxy, Ethiopian Orthodoxy, and Armenian Apostolicism - reject it.

The Councils do make it even more confusing. Paul believed Jesus was divine, James did not and that is where the first schism started. Paul is the one most Christians follow and quote when it comes to divinity questions.

[Bob137]

Beaurocratic Politics on Divinity, what a scam. Either you is, or you ain't. Who's on first? I don't know. I don't know's on third. Who's on second? No what's on second, Who's on first.

[mahalla2]

Seems to me Jesus offered a very simple message of salvation with an empathetic focus on trying to help raise the status of women, and the disenfranchised plain and simple - So everything else to me was and still is just made-up formalized religious hot air and has very little to do with the real deal.

[Moon]

Seems to me Jesus offered a very simple message of salvation with an empathetic focus on trying to help raise the status of women, and the disenfranchised plain and simple - So everything else to me was and still is just made-up formalized religious hot air and has very little to do with the real deal.

That is so true. The message got lost in the dogma.

I really do think most Christians get the message of Jesus. The ones who don't are usually the ones who get all the attention of the media.

[mahalla2]

Seems to me Jesus offered a very simple message of salvation with an empathetic focus on trying to help raise the status of women, and the disenfranchised plain and simple - So everything else to me was and still is just made-up formalized religious hot air and has very little to do with the real deal.

That is so true. The message got lost in the dogma.

I really do think most Christians get the message of Jesus. The ones who don't are usually the ones who get all the attention of the media.

yes, I agree but seriously hate seeing all the phony bologna's (with the big hair and glittery make-up) getting not only the media attention but tons of money from naive' little old people as well.

[Bob137]

It used to be called Praise the Lord, and Pass the Loot!