Evidence For Nuclear/Atomic Warfare in Pre-History.

[Sunrisepony]

ANCIENT CITY FOUND,
IRRADIATED FROM ATOMIC BLAST

Radiation still so intense, the area is highly dangerous

A heavy layer of radioactive ash in Rajasthan, India, covers a three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur. Scientists are investigating the site, where a housing development was being built.

For some time it has been established that there is a very high rate of birth defects and cancer in the area under construction. The levels of radiation there have registered so high on investigators' gauges that the Indian government has now cordoned off the region. Scientists have unearthed an ancient city where evidence shows an atomic blast dating back thousands of years, from 8,000 to 12,000 years, destroyed most of the buildings and probably a half-million people. One researcher estimates that the nuclear bomb used was about the size of the ones dropped on Japan in 1945.

Then there's:
When the first atomic bomb exploded in New Mexico, the desert sand turned to fused green glass. This fact has given certain archaeologists a turn. They have been digging in the ancient Euphrates Valley and have uncovered a layer of agrarian culture 8,000 years old, and a layer of herdsman culture much older, and a still older caveman culture. Recently, they reached another layer of fused green glass.

And Then:
Numerous evidence of Pre-Historic Nuclear War exists: Columns of Smoke Rose as if from a Mighty Furnace

by Brad Steiger

Ancient Indian Epics, especially the Mahabharata, document apparent pre-historic nuclear devastation and destruction, that is being verified by diverse scholars.

“Then the Lord rained down fire and tar from heaven upon Sodom and Gomorrah, and utterly destroyed them….” Genesis 19:24.

My previous article in The Canadian , in which I reflected upon my book Worlds Before Our Own, provoked dozens of inquiries from readers. LINK Some stated that one of the cable channels -- some thought it was the History Channel; others, Discovery; still others, National Geographic -- had presented “proof” that the “fused green glass” to be found in various areas had been created by meteoric air blasts rather than prehistoric nuclear wars.

I remain open to many theories of Earth‘s prehistory. One of those individuals prompted to write to me, who had the advantage of having actually read Worlds Before Our Own, stated that I present “in a clear and lucid style, information concerning anomalous archeological finds without the hyperbole usually associated with this type of material.”

While patches of “fused green glass” may in certain instances have been caused by air blasts from meteors, I wonder if such a natural phenomenon could have created all twenty-eight fields of blackened and shattered stones that cover as many as 7000 miles each in western Arabia. The stones are densely grouped, as if they might be the remains of cities, sharp-edged, and burned black. Experts have decreed that they are not volcanic in origin, but appear to date from the period when Arabia was thought to be a lush and fruitful land that suddenly became scorched into an instant desert.

What we know today as the Sahara Desert was once a tropical region of heavy vegetation, abundant rainfall, and several large rivers. Scientists have discovered areas of the desert in which soils which once knew the cultivated influence of plow and farmer are now covered by a thin layer of sand. Researchers have also found an enormous reservoir of water below the parched desert area. The source of such a large deposit of water could only have been the heavy rains from the period of time before a fiery devastation consumed the lush vegetation of the area.

On December 25, 2007, it was confirmed by a French scientist that excavations at the area of Khamis Bani Sa’ad in Tehema district of Hodeidah province have yielded over a thousand rare archaeological pieces dating back to 300,000 B.C.E. Before a dramatic climate change, the inhabitants at that time had been fishermen and had domesticated a number of animals no longer to be found in the region, including a species of horse currently found only in Middle Asia.

The Red Chinese have conducted atomic tests near Lob Nor Lake in the Gobi Desert, which have left large patches of the area covered with vitreous sand. But the Gobi has a number of other areas of glassy sand which have been known for thousands of years.

Albion W. Hart, one of the first engineers to graduate from Massachusetts Institute of Technology, was assigned a project in the interior of Africa. While he and his men were traveling to an almost inaccessible region, they had first to cross a great expanse of desert. At the time, he was puzzled and quite unable to explain a large area of greenish glass which covered the sands as far as he could see.

"Later on during his life," wrote Margarethe Casson in Rocks and Minerals (No. 396, 1972), "he passed by the White Sands area after the first atomic explosion there, and he recognized the same type of silica fusion which he had seen fifty years earlier in the African desert."

In 1947, in the Euphrates valley of southern Iraq, where certain traditions place the Garden of Eden and where the ancient inhabitants of Sumer encountered the man-god Ea, exploratory digging unearthed a layer of fused, green glass. Archaeologists could not restrain themselves from noting the resemblance that the several-thousand-year-old fused glass bore to the desert floor at White Sands, New Mexico, after the first nuclear blasts in modem times had melted sand and rock.

In the United States, the Mohave Desert has large circular or polygonal areas that are coated with a hard substance very much like opaque glass.

While exploring Death Valley in 1850, William Walker claimed to have come upon the ruins of an ancient city. An end of the large building within the rubble had had its stones melted and vitrified.

Walker went on to state that the entire region between the Gila and St. John rivers was spotted with ruins. In each of the ancient settlements he had found evidence that they had been burned out by fire intense enough to have liquefied rock. Paving blocks and stone houses had been split with huge cracks, as if seared by some gigantic cleaver of fire.

Perhaps even more than the large areas of fused green glass, I am intrigued by the evidence of vitrified cities and forts, such as those discovered by Walker.

There are ancient hill forts and towers in Scotland, Ireland, and England in which the stoneworks have become calcined because of the great heat that had been applied. There is no way that lightning could have caused such effects.

Other hill forts from the Lofoten Islands off northern Norway to the Canary Islands off northwest Africa have become “fused forts.” Erich A. von Fange comments that the “piled boulders of their circular walls have been turned to glass… by some intense heat.”

Catal Huyukin in north-central Turkey, thought to be one of the oldest cities in the world, appears, according to archaeological evidence, to have been fully civilized and then, suddenly, to have died out. Archaeologists were astonished to find thick layers of burned brick at one of the levels, called VIa. The blocks had been fused together by such intense heat that the effects had penetrated to a depth more than a meter below the level of the floors, where it carbonized the earth, the skeletal remains of the dead, and the burial gifts that had been interred with them. All bacterial decay had been halted by the tremendous heat.

When a large ziggurat in Babylonia was excavated, it presented the appearance of having been struck by a terrible fire that had split it down to its foundation. In other parts of the ruins, large sections of brickwork had been scorched into a vitrified state. Several masses of brickwork had been rendered into a completely molten state. Even large boulders found near the ruins had been vitrified.

The royal buildings at the north Syrian site known as Alalakh or Atchana had been so completely burned that the very core of the thick walls were filled with bright red, crumbling mud-bricks. The mud and lime wall plaster had been vitrified, and basalt wall slabs had, in some areas, actually melted.

Between India's Ganges River and the Rajmahal Hills are scorched ruins which contain large masses of stone that have been fused and hollowed. Certain travelers who have ventured to the heart of the Indian forests have reported ruins of cities in which the walls have become huge slabs of crystal, due to some intense heat.

The ruins of the Seven Cities, located near the equator in the Province of Piaui, Brazil, appear to be the scene of a monstrous chaos. Since no geological explanation has yet been construed to fit the evidence before the archaeologists, certain of those who have investigated the site have said that the manner in which the stones have been dried out, destroyed, and melted provokes images of Sodom and Gomorrah.

French researchers discovered the evidence of prehistoric spontaneous nuclear reaction at the Oklo mine, Pierrelatte, in Gabon, Africa. Scientists found that the ore of this mine contained abnormally low proportions of U235 such as found only in depleted uranium fuel taken from atomic reactors. According to those who examined the mine, the ore also contained four rare elements in forms similar to those found in depleted uranium.

Although the modern world did not experience atomic power until the 1940s, there is an astonishing amount of evidence that nuclear effects may have occurred in prehistoric times leaving behind sand melted into glass in certain desert areas, hill forts with vitrified portions of stone walls, of the remains of ancient cities that had been destroyed by what appeared to have been extreme heat-far beyond that which could have been scorched by the torches of primitive armies. In each instance, the trained and experienced archaeologists who encountered such anomalous finds have stressed the point that none of these catastrophes had been caused by volcanoes, by lightning, by crashing comets, or by conflagrations set by humankind.



Sinai peninsular area of apparent nuclear war activity.

Zecharia Sitchin (1985) devotes an entire chapter to a discussion of nuclear warfare in ancient times in Mesopotamia and the Sinai peninsula. In this book he also suggests the destruction of the Sinai “space facilities” by nuclear weapons. He offers as evidence:

“…the immense cavity in the center of the Sinai and the resulting fracture lines (see figure), the vast surrounding flat area covered with blackened stones, traces of radiation south of the Dead Sea, the new extent and shape of the Dead Sea – is still there, four thousand years later”.

And, just for further research. There is this:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_ancient_atomic.htm#menu

[Ace Rimmer]

The Lybian Desert Glass alone has me convinced there was a nuclear explosion way back when.

[Moon]

There are many anomalies out there that do need study. I would love for Ancient Aliens to do a full hour (or even two) on these sites showing the evidence to support a possible nuclear blast.

It is possible a comet exploding caused the same type of radiation readings. The question does become, how does a comet explode in mid-air?

[Sunrisepony]

The main glaring problem with the comet plausibility, is there has never been any craters found in or anywhere near these sites and the damage that has been caused on the sites is not in alignment with a comet strike. Even, for example the vitrification on the stone sites in the UK, they point out the "heat" comes from the sky downward. And, every historical and religious / holy books account that comes into these events doesn't mention anything that even remotely sounds like a comet strike. A couple of the articles on that link at the bottom of the first post include articles by Phillip Coppen, even he doesn't allude in any form to comet strikes other than to say that it wasn't possible.

[Moon]

Philip Coppens in his book The Ancient Alien Question does deal with these anomalies. He also looks at it from the skeptics point of view too. One of the claims is the strong radiation is not old, but leaks from close by nuclear power plants. The ancient nuclear war could be used by them to place blame for shoddy maintenance practices leading to major leakage problems.

I never considered what Mr Coppens had to say, but it is an important enough issue to be treated very seriously. It also might be an answer to the anomalies found since many are in Third World countries where regulations are not enforced.

[Sunrisepony]

It really ultimately doesn't explain it though, because even radiation leaks wouldn't cause the Vitrification, the fused green glass, the burnt stone, the radio active ash. The indications of explosions, and there aren't enough of these sites around Nuclear Power Plants to make that a plausible explanation. The fused green glass found after the atomic bomb test in New Mexico and Nevada prove that the fused green glass found through out the world, and sometimes in several layers like Euphrates Valley that they were caused by impacts of extremely high temperatures, (again, not radiation leaks), the vitrification, can only be caused by High Heat, at temperatures greater than 1,500 centegrade. And the majority of this stuff is dated to between 8,000 and 28,000 years ago (others dating back 300,000 plus years ago). We just didn't have Modern Nuclear Power Plants back then. Certainly the radiation poses some issues in carbon dating and other dating methods had to be used. And, Mr. Coppens did an outstanding job in his dealing with these anomalies. I am glad you got the book and have started looking more at his views on things. I highly respect the man myself. The Nuclear Power plant theory also does not explain the records the world over including many high holy books of not only the Mahabharata, but several others that talk of huge nuclear wars in pre-history. It's child's play to disprove the plausibility of that Nuclear Power Plant Radiation Leak theory.

[Moon]

While it may not explain all of the anomalies, it does need to be seriously looked into. Mr Coppens gives an excellent argument for doing just so in his book. Remember, he is a huge proponent of the Ancient Alien Theory.

Researchers have to look at all possibilities before they reach a conclusion. To immediately claim it was an ancient nuclear device without all of the data and research done is not logical and does harm any case we are trying to make if it is later proven to be quite modern.

[Sunrisepony]

I'm not discounting anything Mr. Coppens has said, come back from the Island of Conclusions my friend. I'm simply saying the evidence does not support that one specific solution (radiation leaks) or answer. Even a base rudimentary cursory look at the wide spread damage and evidence that is out there makes it very very easy to look at the facts and come to the conclusion that the majority of it, if not all of it was caused by wide spread nuclear explosions. I didn't say devices, I said explosions. Then, when you get that far, you have to think about what was available back then, and where the evidence points. Multiple experts in multiple fields(including mainstream scientist) have said the evidence points to NUCLEAR/ATOMIC WAR. And, not just one time, multiple times over hundreds of thousands of years. Even the Ancient Astronaut Theorist say the same thing.

So, lets take a closer look at this. Wide Spread Nuclear Explosions, no nuclear power plants. And, pretty much every single piece of evidence shows these explosions came from impacts from the sky down do to angles of the damage etc. And we all know or should that the angle of impact equals the angle of reflection and pattern dispersal, but automatically comet/asteroid impacts are discounted because there are no impact craters. Obviously the high heat and dispersal patterns of the impacts automatically discount the possibility of radiation leaks, also majority of sites aren't anywhere near modern nuclear power plants, none existed when this damage was caused, so again that theory is automatically ruled out. What are we left with? Historical and other written accounts in holy books like the Mahabharata, the bible which is a combination of myths, historical accounts and two different religions that worshiped the sun, and then was repeatedly tweaked over the centuries to fit the current beliefs. And multiple sites world wide that show evidence of high heat and impact damages that are only capable of being inflicted by NUCLEAR explosive devices (there I used your word ). And, it was all caused between 8,000 and several hundred thousand years ago.

These explosions and damage were obviously not created by man, our first modern atomic bombs were created and tested in the 20th Century, and aside from Hiroshima and the Tunguska explosions (well maybe the latter could have been the Tesla Death Ray), the atomic bombs were tested in Nevada and New Mexico, those test left the same exact fused green glass and dispersal patterns that were found all over the world. The off worlders have shown us they wont let us degrade into any nuclear wars in modern times here in 20th and 21st century.

So really, what other logical explanations are there? You certainly can't look at at Category 5 Hurricane and call it a Thunder Storm.

[Bob137]

The majority of possible explosions could have been some other kind of weapons that we do not know of. They may have a blasting type weapon of nuclear power, which is not the same as an actual bomb, but does similar damage in radiating and heat damage. If one takes into account all the old legends, myths, and religious stories of ancient times, we find that these stories tell of a time and of a people that were visited by beings not of this world, and that they had war with each other, and destroyed cities and possibly one another. There are also stories of older times of advanced ancient cities, and that they also had great technologies, and that they also destroyed themselves. It may be that these similar stories of technological destruction may be one and the same stories, of peoples of an advanced civilization that came upon the people that were not advanced, and the ones from the advanced civilizations fought amongst themselves over who controls the others. It could also be two different stories one of advanced civilizations on earth that destroyed themselves, and another of advanced extraterrestrials who fought amongst themselves and destroyed cities, and then left earth, but still monitor and screw with us. I personally think the later to be the most likely. From what I have researched ont his subject for many years, I to believe that there were nuclear type explosions upon this earth, and also asteroid strikes, and comet strikes, and that it is the combination of all these atrocities that has happened in our ancient past, and that we are on the verge of either another such devastation or advancement, whichever mankind decides, whether to destroy itself and start over again as stupid stinky monkey people, or to advance to a higher spiritual human being.

[Moon]

I do not rule out the possibility of ancient nuclear warheads, but I would wonder why they would need to be used during those times? There is no evidence of a high tech society (as of yet) and some evidence (though not much) would still survive a nuclear war.

But first we do need to prove they existed before trying to ponder the whys.

[Bob137]

True, what we really need to find is some advanced technologies. I am hoping the more that place underwater off India that is submerged, and is an ancient city, (I can;t remember the name of it off hand right now), once explored may bring some more information, (and hopefully technologies to light).

[forgottentales]

True, what we really need to find is some advanced technologies. I am hoping the more that place underwater off India that is submerged, and is an ancient city, (I can;t remember the name of it off hand right now), once explored may bring some more information, (and hopefully technologies to light).

You mean Dwarka?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjY4-QFoyzU

[Bob137]

Yes, Dwarka, Thank You. Getting old here, and got CRS, but at least I don't have Anheiser's! Ha1 Ha!

[Sunrisepony]

Actually the most significant amount of Off Worlder technology will be found in Nigeria.

[Bob137]

Sunrisepony, why NIgeria? Got any info on that?

[ThePhiGuy]

Well, I might have arrived to this thread a tad bit late, but I have to say I agree with Sunrisepony 100%.

I've read the same information before. And I've read many of the accounts contained in the Mahabharata and the Ramayana. As far as I am concerned, the people who wrote the Vedic texts have to qualify as either the best Sci-Fi writers ever known on the face of the earth, or they were accurately describing eye-witness accounts of nuclear warfare. The evidence suggests it was the latter.

However, I do disagree with one point small point that sunrisepony made. The Mahabharata War reportedly ended in 3106 BC or that's when most Hindu sages date it. It was a war that lasted a mere 18 days and according to the accounts, resulted in the death of roughly four million warriors. Evidently no one bothered to count the women and children that were killed; I guess they weren't considered all that important.

I think the date given of 3106 BC is probably pretty accurate, because shortly after the end of that war, Sumer experienced a tremendous surge in population and I personally believe many of those people were war refugees fleeing the nuclear fallout that must have been devastating indeed. You can pretty much bet on the fact that the Akkadian civilization (the followers of Ishtar and the moon god, Nannar Sin) were people who had fled from the Indus Valley Civilization fallout.

I consider Krishna, (avatar of the sun god Vishnu) personally responsible for that war. If it hadn't have been for him assuring the Pandya clan (the Devas) that war was the only "true righteous path of Dharma" it's likely that the Mahabharata War would have never taken place.

And do you know what it was all about? It happened because somebody accused somebody else of cheating at a game of dice.

I have truly pondered that for quite some time...

[Ace Rimmer]

I've read the same information before. And I've read many of the accounts contained in the Mahabharata and the Ramayana. As far as I am concerned, the people who wrote the Vedic texts have to qualify as either the best Sci-Fi writers ever known on the face of the earth, or they were accurately describing eye-witness accounts of nuclear warfare. The evidence suggests it was the latter.

I so agree with this. And not just the Mahabharata, so many ancients text describe things that either have to be true, or they were great Sci-Fi writers for sure. Only I don't think so, ancient people were writing about what they were seeing and doing it well enough that we now can understand what was going on.

[ThePhiGuy]

I must admit that most "experts" within academia irk me to no end because when they translate the texts, they do so from the position that they are but myths invented by silly people who ascribe the human qualities of an anthropomorphic god to presumably "natural events."

And to be fair, up until the last few decades, present-day human beings were not technologically advanced enough to understand the import of what the texts actually say, so perhaps their attitude was excusable in the past. But today, there is really no excuse for it.

I've read countless texts where some "god created an earthquake." For instance, the bible, the Canaanite texts and the Vedic texts are utterly filled with such accounts. And the academians who write our histories smile in their patronizing smugness at the "silly beliefs" of the presumably childlike and ignorant people of the past.

But let's get real. In 1897 Tesla created an earthquake in New York City using nothing more than a small magnometer that depended on mechanical resonance to promote a sympathetic resonance reaction within the earth. And Tesla was no god; he was a man.

If you know how to use it, the resonance of sound waves alone can become an extraordinarily powerful weapon. Along a similar train of thought, military commanders teach their foot soldiers to never march in unison over a bridge because the resonance of their footsteps can actually cause a bridge to begin to sway and then buckle and collapse.

Creating an earthquake is not that complicated. You don't have to be a "god" or even Mother Nature to do it.

Because I know this, when I (for instance) read the Sumerian flood accounts about Enlil producing a great flood, I don't see "myth"; I see reality. And because I've spent years cross-referencing a great number of texts, I'm reasonably certain that the flood Enlil created was the Black Sea Flood that has been scientifically dated by the oceanic team of Pitman and Ryan to circa 5600 B.C. According to this marine geological survey team, that flood happened because a presumed earthquake caused the Bosporus Straits to collapse, causing the Mediterranean Sea to suddenly pour into the Black Sea, which was originally a fresh water lake.

According to the scientific evidence, during Enlil's flood…

"Ten cubic miles of water poured through the Bosporus each day, two hundred times what flows over Niagara Falls, enough to cover Manhattan Island each day to a depth of over half a mile."

(Source: Ian Wilson, "Before the Flood", Orion Books, 2004, p. 53)

The Sumerian texts indicate that it was about this time that Enlil was attempting to wipe out the "evil" indigenous people in Anatolia who evidently refused to worship him as "god". The evidence indicates that his intent was to turn their homeland over to his own followers. And there is nothing "mythological" about the Sumerian flood texts.

Enlil didn't have to be a "god" to create the Black Sea Flood. He didn't even have to be an E.T. All he had to do was be an egomaniacal war lord of a human being who understood how to manipulate mechanical resonance or even had the ability to effectively use simple explosives.

So it's not just texts and the archaeological evidence indicating nuclear warfare took place in the past that we must take at face value; it's also things like floods, earthquakes and weather manipulation that we need to look at again, but this time with open eyes.

I repeat, one needn't be a "god" or even an ET to accomplish these things. All one had to be was a human being with an understanding of technologies that are roughly equivalent to what we can accomplish today.

That facts are simply this; anybody who had access to these kinds of technologies could indeed have "played god" over any non-technological society in the past.

Cro-Magnum man, our immediate ancestors, had a brain cavity that was roughly 55 centimeters larger than that of modern man. This suggests they were smart, very smart people. Very smart people who lived upon land masses that escaped the ravages of the last ice age had thousands of years to evolve their technologies. Food and simple survival was not their main quest in life. Those who lived in very cold or arid climates had to concentrate on survival; they had to be hunter-gatherers or they died.

All you have to do is look at the climate maps of the last ice age to figure out which people were able to advance technologically.

All climate maps point to southern India and the Island nations that once existed along the Sunda shelf region. During the last ice age, they quite literally had "the best real estate on earth."

And that's what makes the Vedic texts so important. Every "god" that ever set foot in the Middle East can be traced directly back to the Vedic civilizations of ancient India. There was no "Aryan invasion of India." Instead, there was an Aryan invasion OUT of India into the Middle East.

In fact, if you compare the Mesopotamian texts describing Enlil's activities with that of Indra in the Vedic accounts; they actually appear to be one and the same "god." Like so many of the robber barons of today, he evidently just changed his name in order to hide his identity.

The Rig Veda quotes Indra as saying…

"I was Manu and the Sun…I gave the Earth to the Aryans. I gave the rain to my worshipping mortal. I led the roaring floods. The Gods moved according to my will. In ecstasy I destroyed at once the ninety-nine cities of Shambara and the hundredth habitation completely when I aided Divodasa." (RgV IV.26.1-3)

Like Enlil of the Sumerian texts, Indra "led the roaring floods" in order to "give the earth to the Aryans."

Compare this with the first verse in the biblical Book of Esther…

"Now it came to pass in the days of Ahasuerus; this is Ahasuerus which reigned from India even unto Ethiopia, over a hundred and seven and twenty provinces…" (Esther 1:1)

This means that eventually Vedic Aryans were ruling in the Middle East all the way from India to central Africa.

I don't think "the gods" came from the stars; I think they came from India.

[Bob137]

The Phi Guy, Thanks for that post. I enjoyed reading that information. I also do believe that India was an earlier civilization, (possibly what has been considered as Lemuria), than Sumerian, but I also think there was an earlier civilization of MU that left to form the India civilization, or at least were apart of it, or it apart of MU. I also believe that earlier civilizations had technologies that we are just now coming upon in our current civilization, and that to find those technologies, well would be very difficult to say the least, since anything from that time period not made of stone, would more than likely have disintegrated after a thousand years of so, to where there would more than likely not be anything discernable left as a device of any kind. Especially any that has been submerged, it takes an even less time to disintegrate. It amazes me how so many people especially scientists and archeologist state of no findings of such technologies when they should already know that anything of an antiquated age not made of gold, or such metal would of course be disintegrated, and therefore would not be able to be found, unless it was concealed in such a place as to be entombed to where there is no outside source of weathering or air, so as to preserve it. Especially such as within oceans, just the ships of the last few hundreds of years, are very, very hard to locate, not just for positioning, but due to the disintegration of the ships. In another few hundred years, they will not even exist, the only things left will be such as gold, if not covered up by so much of the ocean fungi, coral, etc.. It would be nice if the Ancients would have made everything out of gold, so as to preserve it all for us to find, but that just was not the case, so I guess we will just have to go off of what we can find, and learn from those artifacts, and not "expect" to find something of technological advancement, unless it is made of gold or stone.

[Moon]

After reading Philip Coppens take on the evidence for ancient nuclear war, we do have a mystery on our hands. But much of the evidence could be tainted so people think it was an ancient war while they ignore the companies which are leaking radiation. Mr Coppens does a thorough job when he writes on this topic.

Still, it is possible there were some civilizations which might have advanced far enough to create the bomb.

[Bob137]

I agree that many, many companies that utilize any kind of radioactive materials, need to be thoroughly monitored, and yet that has not been happening all around the world. There is still much ignorance when it comes to radioactive materials. I know, I was exposed to uranium for two eyars int he military, before they decided to put out that certain equipment did leak! So now I am still fighting the VA on that claim, even though they admit it happened, they gave me 0%, so I had to have my daughter take new pictures, and send them in to re-evaluate that claim, along with all the others they have been making numerous mistakes on. Anyway back on topic. I am sure that some of the sites may be exposure to some sort of asteroid explosion above the earth, not an impact, and some are from leaks from current plants, but the others are still something that needs to be fully explored.

[Moon]

The best thing about Mr Coppens' book is he looks at the best evidence out there to support the AAT. He also looks at possible down to Earth explanations as many researchers tend to latch on to some older ideas which have been shown to be wrong. A case in point is this famous image:



Many state the above is a depiction of an ancient astronaut at the controls of his spaceship, but Mr Coppens states the explanation of it being a king sitting on the tree of life waiting to go to heaven is more accurate. (He spends a bit of time explaining this in the book.)

He wants more caution to be used as debunkers love to jump on any small mistake which has been made. The big ones they salivate over.

[Bob137]

Personally that pictograph looks to me like the inside of a space ship capsule, not the tree of life, and someones soul going to heaven, unless he was using a space ship to go to heaven. I just cannot picture it as a tree to heaven. I have looked at that picture many times over the years, and I always come to the same conclusion, or that it is some kind of a tank, and he is aiming to shoot someone with it, or something.

[ThePhiGuy]

Bob137 said:

I also do believe that India was an earlier civilization, (possibly what has been considered as Lemuria), than Sumerian, but I also think there was an earlier civilization of MU that left to form the India civilization, or at least were apart of it, or it apart of MU.

Lemuria is just a name cooked up by a bunch of scientists in the late 19th century who were trying to figure out why there were lemurs on Madagascar and in India, but none in the near and Middle East. They envisioned a hypothetical landmass in the Indian Ocean, dubbing it Lemuria, and later, the mother of Theosophy, Mdme. Blavatsky, ran with the name and popularized it in her books.

Mu however is the name of the ancient goddess of the Motherland, and to most Vedic people, particularly the Tamil Dravidian cultures of southern India, the goddess Mu represents the "inundated motherland" which they called Kumari Kandam. In the Tamil traditions, if you drew a triangular land mass where its three corners touched Madagascar, Sri Lanka and Australia, that's how big the Tamil writings say the continent was.

Wikipedia has a decent picture and article on it…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumari_Kandam

I don't know that I can believe that a continent that huge once existed there, (unless Australia or Antarctica once occupied that space and moved due to continental drift or Hapgood's crustal displacement theories) but I certainly believe that the Indian ocean, the Bay of Bengal, and the Sunda Shelf region had a great many more islands above water and they were humanly occupied by a very high tech society during the Ice Age.

Right now, I firmly believe that a huge part of our human history is beneath the sea.

However, that being said, I think there is one more place we might find a good many answers. India's ancient texts most certainly suggest that a very high tech, war-like civilization eventually took over. And I think most high tech war-like human civilizations would behave pretty much like the present-day military-industrial complex does. They have a tendency to hide their most secretive weapons, machinery and flying machines in tunnels and caves. Think of Mt. Weather and Area 51…

If the Vedic written evidence is to be considered, then I suspect there is a good chance that the endless metaphors, allegories and occult, mystic hocus-pocus that surrounds the legends of Shambhala and Agartha amount to carefully constructed disinformation designed to hide a very, very old cache of weapons and Vimanas that may even still be in very good working order.

Vimanas were built to literally "last forever." And though right now I don't want to haul out all my books to give you the credible sources ( it's Xmas and family is coming…) trust me when I say that the Mesopotamian and Hurrian texts concerning the Anunnaki "gods" most certainly suggest that the Anunnaki had to go back to "the storehouses of old" when they wanted to bring out their most destructive weapons.

I don't think it's a coincidence that Nergal, the god of war, was also the god of "the underworld." And personally, I think it's high time that folks stopped assuming that the underworld meant hell, or the realm of the dead, or sheol etc. infinitum.

Nergal-Erra had to go DOWN, into a cave or tunnel system of some type in order to bring out his "seven deadly weapons" which were called the 'sebitti' in the famous text titled Erra and Ishum, or (alternatively) "When Erra destroyed the world."

Stephanie Dalley's Myths from Mesopotamia (Oxford University Press, 1989) has the best translation of the text that I've read so far, but here is an online translation that is pretty fair.

http://www.piney.com/Baberraishum.html

Though I don't often agree with Zecharia Sitchin, in this case I think he was correct. This is the text that describes the events surrounding the destruction of Sodom and Gommorah, the Agade, and even the destruction of Ur which is described in the "Lamentation of Ur" texts. Ur was evidently destroyed by an "evil wind" after Nergal-Erra unleashes his deadly weapons. Radiation, I rather suspect.

The cave system where Nergal-Erra's stash of ancient weapons was hidden away could be in Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan or anywhere along the Himalayan Mountain range. There is just way too much textual evidence in both the Mesopotamian and Vedic histories suggesting that Sumer's "gods" had access to the very same weapons and flying machines written about in the Ramayana and Mahabharata.

In 270 BC, the Vedic Emperor Asoka converted to Buddhism and decided that the weapons and war paraphernalia available to the Vedic war lords was far too dangerous so he created a secret society of "nine unknown men" to keep the Vedic advanced weapon technology "from falling into the wrong hands." Here's a great article on it...

http://www.akhilesh.in/life/india/history-legends myths/ashokasnineunknownmen.php

Frankly, I don't think, (from the looks of everything flying around in our skies) that those ancient vimanas, and weapons, etc. have disappeared at all. I think there is probably a secret sect of Hindu or Buddhist monks who probably know EXACTLY where all those high tech gadgets from antiquity have been stashed. And from the looks of things, I even suspect that every now and then, one of those monks takes one of those old "built to last forever" Vimanas out of its hiding place and takes it for a joy ride….

If you were in his shoes, wouldn't you?

Merry Christmas everybody. I've got stuff I've got to do….Later

[Bob137]

In regards to the land mass below India that is not there anymore, I read where Hapgood thought that at one time the Continent, or at least part of the Continent, (since it is actually two parts, not a whole), may have been at one time in that area, and that that may have been the place that was described. It is just a theory, and I am not stating it as fact, just that it was something I read on Hapgood, and some of his theories do sound plausible.Along with others that I have read of a growing and shrinking of the Earth, and others.
Also in regards to the glass that is like the glass from Atomic blasts, in The Atlantis Blueprint by Colin Wilson and Rand Flem-Ath, it tells of a device called a Brown Gas Device, (named after the last inventor), (which can heat as the melting of 6,000 degrees), that the Chinese have been using this Brown's Gas on their submarines, and it is an actual working device, (that the American scientist seem ignorant of because they do not understand how it works), it heats metal, and other objects to melting by reacting with the metal, and crystal also, (which may also explain how the crystal skulls were made, and the stone work in South America, and Egypt, and around the world that looks melted), it also works on radioactive material and destroys the radioactivity to make it within harmless level. It is a simple device, and may have been what was utilized in ancient times. The gas actually implodes not explodes, and may be why it also can be felt by the human skin, but not burned. This may also be what we need for our new energy source, which could save the world a lot of money, and guess what it runs on hydrogen and oxygen! The Aztecs used an even simpler way of doing the same thing with wet wood and dry wood, they set it alight to produce a high temperature that caused the imprisoned steam to dissociate and become as Brown's Gas. the properties associated by and of this Brown's Gas cause the same results of out of place artifacts and oddities such as purifying gold that has been found from ancient times, can melt the properties of stone, (to where they can be molded into place), and could explain how the crystal skulls were made, by melting and shaping them! It makes silica into glass the same as from the Atomic Blasts!
This is a fantastic book, I picked it up at our local library, while I was browsing around, and it has many logical reasoning, and findings, and answers for many of our questions we have all proposed on these forums. So I would suggest reading it! It is mainly about finding where Atlantis actually is, and the theories and findings behind it all, and along with those, there are many unexplained phenomena that come up and then theories, and explanations for each of these is found and explained. I like how they put this book together, and can hardly wait to finish it. I am only a fourth of the way through it, and am already intrigued!

[Sunrisepony]

Actually there is physical evidence Lemuria existed, So did Mu, Atlantis, Lumania, Thule, Rama, Osiria, and I think about 3-4 other continents that sunk, but existed in pre-history. There are ruins all over the place, and also ancient cultures that have documented histories these places actually existed and weren't just mythological lands. I've now met and become friends with several people that have distinct memories of being on the Atlantean Continent, I have memories of being on MU/Pan Pacifica and actually will be visiting this spring documented Ruins from MU/Pan Pacifica.

There is way to much physical evidence to deny the existence of Pre-Historical Atomic and Nuclear warfare, our planet and the existence of humans is far older than we were ever taught in public school.

[Corcaigh]

Frankly, I don't think, (from the looks of everything flying around in our skies) that those ancient vimanas, and weapons, etc. have disappeared at all. I think there is probably a secret sect of Hindu or Buddhist monks who probably know EXACTLY where all those high tech gadgets from antiquity have been stashed. And from the looks of things, I even suspect that every now and then, one of those monks takes one of those old "built to last forever" Vimanas out of its hiding place and takes it for a joy ride….

If you were in his shoes, wouldn't you?

yes, I probably would!