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Latest from Alex Collier and his Andromedan Friends

Postby Sunrisepony » Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:52 pm

Alex Collier is known as one of the most credible and real genuine contacts, his contacts being face to face mostly with two Zenateans from The Andromeda Constellation, and has been ongoing for over 30 plus years now.

On October 28th he was on The Unicus Magazine Radio Hour which can be listened to here. He debunked a lot of current happenings and added his 2 cents and few bites from Moraney since the other one Visais passed on few years back. Anyway, you can listen to it here:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/andromeda/esp_andromedacom_37.htm

And, here is the latest update I got from the Editor of Unicus Magazine, and the website associated with it:

Alex Collier will be giving us an update on his situation (and the future of our world) on this Thursday's episode of The Unicus Radio Hour (12/8/2011).
Please use this link to listen live from 8:00 - 10:00 p.m. eastern: (That's 5pm to 7pm PST)
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/unicus/2011/12/09/the-unicus-radio-hour
Or, you can use the same link to download a copy of the show later as an MP3.
If you want to speak with Alex, the call in number is: (646) 200-3390
However, I expect that there will be a lot of people calling in and not enough time (2 hours) or bandwith to handle all the calls.

I will do my best to allow as many people as possible to speak with Alex.
Rest assured that this will not be the last time Alex is invited to appear on my show... or other talk shows.
And, Alex told me that he intends to thank everyone personally that has assisted him in his hour of need.

Please forward this message to your friends.

Radiantly,

Robert M. Stanley
editor/author/host
http://www.unicusmagazine.com/

Anyone that wants to read his book "Defending Sacred Ground ~ The Andromedan Compendium" it is available on several sites online. And, so are his Newsletters from his old site. "Letters From Andromeda." And, there are many of his lectures available online on youtube, and few other sites. Various bits of his information he's provided over the years has been verified by people like Stephan Hawking. Dr. Salla, and many other leading investigators in the field of Exopolitics.
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Re: Latest from Alex Collier and his Andromedan Friends

Postby Moon » Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:07 pm

I Googled Alex Collier and have found only fringe sites that deal with him. The article at Wackypedia indicates he may be a shady character as he goes by more than one name.

I have also noticed many sites have his DVDs and books for sale, so this man could just be a profiteer. Nothing wrong with that, but people need to know who this man is or claims to be.

When it comes to contactees (or anything psychic), I need evidence to support those claims. There are too many charlatans out there making money off of those who are gullible to this sort of thing.

Is he contacting the galaxy Andromeda or is he claiming a planet in the Milky Way is called Andromeda?
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Re: Latest from Alex Collier and his Andromedan Friends

Postby Believer » Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:46 pm

maxmercury wrote:I Googled Alex Collier and have found only fringe sites that deal with him. The article at Wackypedia indicates he may be a shady character as he goes by more than one name.

I have also noticed many sites have his DVDs and books for sale, so this man could just be a profiteer. Nothing wrong with that, but people need to know who this man is or claims to be.

When it comes to contactees (or anything psychic), I need evidence to support those claims. There are too many charlatans out there making money off of those who are gullible to this sort of thing.

Is he contacting the galaxy Andromeda or is he claiming a planet in the Milky Way is called Andromeda?


I share your sentiments.
About the Andromeda, I think sunrisepony mentioned that there is supposed to be this council of benovalent ET's that are watching out for humans and are taking on the so-called greys and reptilians and that they are the one's that caused the recent Virginia and China earthquakes which was a result of them using some sorta energy weapons to destroy grey/reptilian bases. That's my recollection, not my belief :D
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Re: Latest from Alex Collier and his Andromedan Friends

Postby Inquiring Mind » Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:58 pm

Sunrisepony wrote:Alex Collier is known as one of the most credible and real genuine contacts, his contacts being face to face mostly with two Zenateans from The Andromeda Constellation, and has been ongoing for over 30 plus years now.

On October 28th he was on The Unicus Magazine Radio Hour which can be listened to here. He debunked a lot of current happenings and added his 2 cents and few bites from Moraney since the other one Visais passed on few years back. Anyway, you can listen to it here:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/andromeda/esp_andromedacom_37.htm

And, here is the latest update I got from the Editor of Unicus Magazine, and the website associated with it:

Alex Collier will be giving us an update on his situation (and the future of our world) on this Thursday's episode of The Unicus Radio Hour (12/8/2011).
Please use this link to listen live from 8:00 - 10:00 p.m. eastern: (That's 5pm to 7pm PST)
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/unicus/2011/12/09/the-unicus-radio-hour
Or, you can use the same link to download a copy of the show later as an MP3.
If you want to speak with Alex, the call in number is: (646) 200-3390
However, I expect that there will be a lot of people calling in and not enough time (2 hours) or bandwith to handle all the calls.

I will do my best to allow as many people as possible to speak with Alex.
Rest assured that this will not be the last time Alex is invited to appear on my show... or other talk shows.
And, Alex told me that he intends to thank everyone personally that has assisted him in his hour of need.

Please forward this message to your friends.

Radiantly,

Robert M. Stanley
editor/author/host
http://www.unicusmagazine.com/

Anyone that wants to read his book "Defending Sacred Ground ~ The Andromedan Compendium" it is available on several sites online. And, so are his Newsletters from his old site. "Letters From Andromeda." And, there are many of his lectures available online on youtube, and few other sites. Various bits of his information he's provided over the years has been verified by people like Stephan Hawking. Dr. Salla, and many other leading investigators in the field of Exopolitics.


Awesome. Will definitely tune into this one. Thanks for the heads up. :)
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Re: Latest from Alex Collier and his Andromedan Friends

Postby Moon » Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:18 pm

Believer wrote:I share your sentiments.
About the Andromeda, I think sunrisepony mentioned that there is supposed to be this council of benovalent ET's that are watching out for humans and are taking on the so-called greys and reptilians and that they are the one's that caused the recent Virginia and China earthquakes which was a result of them using some sorta energy weapons to destroy grey/reptilian bases. That's my recollection, not my belief :D


Thank you for that information about Mr Collier. I do think it is interesting how many people actually believe these types of people without any proof whatsoever of their abilities. The sites always sell DVDs and books plus seminars at a nice price to those who can afford them.

I want to keep an open mind about all claims made, but I also don't want my small brain to fall out.

I also tried to watch his interview, but I couldn't stop laughing at the claims made by him.

600.000 year long Orion War, nuclear war on Earth hundreds of thousands of years ago and many, many more.

All of his claims to know everything brings up a statement by researcher (and another contactee) SFC Clifford Stone (USA Ret) paraphrased here: No one person knows the whole truth. If they clam to, they are liars.
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Re: Latest from Alex Collier and his Andromedan Friends

Postby Sunrisepony » Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:55 pm

I Googled Alex Collier and have found only fringe sites that deal with him. The article at Wackypedia indicates he may be a shady character as he goes by more than one name.

It's not uncommon for some contactees to chose a "stage name" or professional name to go by, many many actors do this, so do directors, the only one that has ever publicly challenged his claims was a guy named Michael Horn , the publicist for Billy Meir. Horn later receded his claims and admitted to them being false claims. I'm sure there were debunkers though that missed the whole Horn owning up to the lies bit. Alex Collier is very credible, and as I mentioned had his statements in many situations backed up by other credible sources. Including Stephan Hawking.
I have also noticed many sites have his DVDs and books for sale, so this man could just be a profiteer. Nothing wrong with that, but people need to know who this man is or claims to be.

He put out ONE book, and no dvds. The dvds were put out by someone not even connected to him and was collection of the lectures. He has stated all along he has not been in this for profit. Just to get the information and truth out. Which in my opinion gives more credibility to him beyond those that are seeking profit and attention for their claims.
Is he contacting the galaxy Andromeda or is he claiming a planet in the Milky Way is called Andromeda?

The Off Worlders he's been in contact with for over 30yrs are from a planet they call Zenatea and it's in the Andromeda Constellation. Their planet orbits the star Mirach.
About the Andromeda, I think sunrisepony mentioned that there is supposed to be this council of benovalent ET's that are watching out for humans and are taking on the so-called greys and reptilians and that they are the one's that caused the recent Virginia and China earthquakes which was a result of them using some sorta energy weapons to destroy grey/reptilian bases. That's my recollection, not my belief

Actually the Procyons are the ones responsible for the bases being taken out,while they are members of the same Andromeda Council, They are not the same ones that Alex Collier has been in contact with, nor is Alex Collier the one that has been providing that information concerning the bases and Procyons. Just wanted to clarify that. And, it's more than just China and Virginia, it's the Gulf of Aden, multiple points across the united states and other points still to come. Seismology experts have verified that directed energy weapons were used and caused these "earthquakes" plus there is the seismology read outs that show these weren't natural earthquakes but obviously explosions. Hard, Solid Indisputable Evidence. Those Greys (Dows) and Reptilians exist they are regressive species, ie: Bad, evil etc, they're real just like the Benevolent forces that are trying to help humanity gain our true sovereign right to freedom with out oppression. We should be THANKING the Procyons for their valiant efforts and putting their lives at serious risk in trying to help us down here. Not squabbling among each-other like children. Just trying to keep the facts and truth straight from the misconceptions and misnomers. And, opinions formed on lack of research/knowledge of a subject.
600.000 year long Orion War, nuclear war on Earth hundreds of thousands of years ago and many, many more

You know, I haven't had a hard time yet finding evidence, hard physical evidence to back up just about everything he has said. There were several Nuclear Wars prior to the global flood. Google, Mohenjo Daro, and the other city in Pakistan that I think starts with an H. There are radio active skeletons there and evidence of nuclear blast. Several layers of Fused Green Glass have been found in The Euphrates Valley, Libya Desert and India, and New England. When the first atomic bomb was tested in New Mexico, the high heat and energy caused a layer of fused green glass to form, which is only capable of forming under heat produced by Nuclear Explosions. There are ruins in Scotland that have evidence of high heat exposure and vitrification. So there is plenty of evidence out there to support just about everything he has said all along. One just has to look.

All of his claims to know everything brings up a statement by researcher (and another contactee) SFC Clifford Stone (USA Ret) paraphrased here: No one person knows the whole truth. If they clam to, they are liars.

Also, you are wrong about this. I wanted to point out, no where in any of his lectures, news letters or even the one and only book that he put out does he claim to know *everything*. He actually comes out and directly admits he doesn't know "everything", and that people need to go out and find out for themselves and look at the world around them. He encourages researching the information and fact checking what he puts out in his lectures and book, and the news letters.

I don't know what "special" abilities you think this guy has? He does face to face, in person contacts with the Andromedans, has been verified as genuine and credible by reliable sources including Dr. Micheal Salla (I might have spelled the last name wrong), and several others that are at the Elite end of the Exopolitics field. And, while I respect your decision to be cautious and skeptical of him. I certainly feel they are misplaced and do not agree at all. I've spent a few years researching him and find it very difficult if not out right impossible to "lump him in" with those that seek profit, attention and fame, make false claims etc, when he is none of those things. He just wants to get the truth out and wake people up. He doesn't want this world heading in the direction it is anymore than the rest of us do. He doesn't make the false claim of being a profit. He gives probabilities and possibilities, with the consideration that it's possible things will change. One person makes a decision to go a different way and it changes things like a cascade. It's like "The Butterfly Effect." He's trying to empower as many people as he can so things can be changed. Collectively people really can make a huge difference, not in the sense of protest and that whole OWS movement, it's extremely more complex than that.

I don't know how much evidence is needed, but has anyone here tried to photograph a 5th density being? You think photographing Ghosts are complicated? Ghost are only 4th density. The Andromedans are 5th density, so most likely would come across nothing more than a faint image/ghost like. Then anyone that sees the images would scream "fake", and then what?
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Re: Latest from Alex Collier and his Andromedan Friends

Postby Moon » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:55 pm

Thank you for responding to the questions about Alex Collier. I still need proof he is the real deal, and Dr Salla is not one I would trust in this area.

I would need to meet an Andromedan in person to believe it. I just cannot take the word of a man who claims to be in psychic contact with extraterrestrials without any sort of proof. I am a lot more open minded now then I was a decade ago, but I sill have a mind that needs reason to believe a claim. I do need evidence, and all the evidence about his claims come from other fringe sites and no scientific ones.

There does appear to be evidence of a possible nuclear war as discovered in some ruins. However, the jury is still out as to what caused the anomalies. (I do hope AA deals with this subject as it could be a real eye opener.) The major problem is Mr Collier claims the wars happened hundreds of thousands of years ago, while the anomalies are only five thousand or so years old.

Mr Collier may not claim to know everything, but he sure has enough answers to the questions asked. It seems he falls in with the typical New Age view of ufology (not that there is anything wrong with it) which is so prevalent among contactees and channelers out there.

As for Professor Stephen Hawking supporting what Alex Collier has stated, I have not found a site focused on Hawking which makes this claim. The only claims out there come from fringe sites, not from Professor Hawking's site or others related to it. Apparently, this is what Mr Collier is trying to take credit for:

Hawking was in the news in July 2004 for presenting a new theory about black holes which goes against his own long-held belief about their behaviour, thus losing a bet he made with Kip Thorne and John Preskill of Caltech. Classically, it can be shown that information crossing the event horizon of a black hole is lost to our universe, and that thus all black holes are identical beyond their mass, electrical charge and angular velocity (the "no hair theorem"). The problem with this theorem is that it implies the black hole will emit the same radiation regardless of what goes into it, and as a consequence that if a pure quantum state is thrown into a black hole, an "ordinary" mixed state will be returned. This runs counter to the rules of quantum mechanics and is known as the black hole information paradox.

I do give credit to where it is due, and Mr Collier did mention New York City will be in ashes in the year 2000. While he did not give specifics about the date or the two towers, it is true NYC was covered in dust during 9/11. It is either a lucky guess or he was able to predict something. My problem with those saying he predicted something other than a good guess is he was not specific at all. Plus he missed the city of LA becoming islands at the same time.

I am not going to say contactees, channelers and psychic phenomena do not exist, but I do need proof if someone makes the claim. (For psychics, I have a test they would not be able to figure out using deduction.)
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Re: Latest from Alex Collier and his Andromedan Friends

Postby Foxlike Mulder » Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:55 pm

Max, you are an excellent researcher and I'd like to hear more about Dr. Michael Salla...I have spent a little time on Dr. Salla and have found his reports very interesting. I am not ready to accept them at face value, yet I am not willing to set them aside either. What have you read that shapes your opinion about him? Thanks.
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Re: Latest from Alex Collier and his Andromedan Friends

Postby Moon » Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:42 pm

Foxlike Mulder wrote:Max, you are an excellent researcher and I'd like to hear more about Dr. Michael Salla...I have spent a little time on Dr. Salla and have found his reports very interesting. I am not ready to accept them at face value, yet I am not willing to set them aside either. What have you read that shapes your opinion about him? Thanks.


Dr Salla is an exopolitical scientist and most of the sites about him are of the fringe variety. It is difficult to find out what he is about, but I will research him as best I can. Dr Kevin Randle (Lt Col USAR Ret) does not think too highly of him when he has reported on Dr Salla, but I want to judge for myself.

Here is what Wackypedia has to say about Dr Salla:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Salla

This part of the article stuck out:

Salla admitted to the Washington Post that the evidence supporting his claims about the existence of aliens was found by him "on the internet.

Here is the source of that claim:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A53203-2004Feb18&notFound=true
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Re: Latest from Alex Collier and his Andromedan Friends

Postby Sunrisepony » Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:23 pm

There does appear to be evidence of a possible nuclear war as discovered in some ruins. However, the jury is still out as to what caused the anomalies. (I do hope AA deals with this subject as it could be a real eye opener.) The major problem is Mr Collier claims the wars happened hundreds of thousands of years ago, while the anomalies are only five thousand or so years old.

There are more than just "some ruins" there is evidence of this nuclear heat generated green glass, in multiple sites through out the middle east, Libya (Geologist give a date of around 28,000,000 years ago for this site), New England, Scotland,New Mexico, Nevada, Africa, Arabia, Death Valley California, etc. And, most are dated through various scientific methods to have happened pre-flood which means pre-10,000/12,000 years ago. It is an absolute indisputable FACT that the fused green glass was and can only be formed by Nuclear Explosions/Weapons. You don't get the kind of radio activity and damage that was found in Mohenjo Daro and that other city in Pakistan with out a Nuclear Weapon hitting the area. And, the first Nuclear Bomb was tested in New Mexico, produced the exact same fused green glass found in multiple sites through out the world. Hard Solid Indisputable evidence that the sites with the fused green glass, and like I said MULTIPLE layers have been found at the excavation site in the Euphrates Valley, one of the layers dated to 8,000 years ago were and could have only been caused by the intense heat produced by Nuclear Explosions and Weapons. You know just as well I do that most WOT will date something to "fit" and not often the true date. Puma Punku, is 17,000 years old (carbon dating, etc), but WOT say it's only 5,000. Prime example there. Want another one? The Pyramids of Egypt, they're at least 11,600 years old, and the WOT claim only 3-4,000 years. Even the Mahabharata has a very detailed account of Nuclear Wars taking place in pre-history. Could they have taken place hundreds of thousands of years ago? Yes.

Here's an like with even more dates, times, etc. And a book that has even more evidence, some dating back 300,000 plus years of Nuclear Explosions. Even further validating and leading credibility to Mr. Collier. Mainstream scientist, anthropologist and archaeologist and geologist are validating a ton of stuff that Mr. Collier has said through out his lectures etc. Including Diverse Scholars are even validating the fact that Nuclear devastation and destruction happened in pre-history.
http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/12/31/02061.html , Not to mention there is other solid indisputable evidence found in many sites of Nuclear Explosions in pre-flood history. David Hatcher Childress writes about this stuff in his books, so did Brad Steiger in his book "Worlds Before Our Own". These are not just hypothesizes, theories or someone's imagination. This is the truth, and it's has hard and solid as the vitrified rocks and fused green glass along with the other sites through out the world that have damage that were caused by only the great amount of heat only produced by Nuclear Weapons and Explosions.
I do need evidence, and all the evidence about his claims come from other fringe sites and no scientific ones.

There are many archaeological and anthropological non-fringe sites that support his statements. While not "mainstream" they provide hard solid evidence. The online library at bibliotecapleaydes is a great starting/kicking off point. There is out there if you research the specific events he mentions, the information out there by scientist. But YOU have to go research it, dig beyond the surface.
Mr Collier may not claim to know everything, but he sure has enough answers to the questions asked. It seems he falls in with the typical New Age view of ufology (not that there is anything wrong with it) which is so prevalent among contactees and channelers out there.

Wouldn't you think or come to conclusion if they are pretty much all saying the same thing that there would be some validity to it? And, so what if he has answers for the questions? Would you respect him more if he didn't? I think having the detail and scope of information and answers that he does adds more validity. Again, I don't see that it is fair or accurate to be lumping him into the same disastrous category as the others. The majority of Alex's contacts are face to face in person. And, only are rarely through telepathic communication, not channeling. There is a very strong difference between the two. If he was channeling these messages I would be much more cautious in believing them and their validity. Being a telepath myself I suppose I carry a deeper understanding and trust level of the information he has received and put out. There is where he differs greatly from the majority of other contactees, who for the most part are channelers. I would think also Alex's insistence on not knowing everything, and also lack of desire to "predict" things, while he doesn't even use that term. He uses Possibilities, and Probabilities, which again sets him far apart from other contactes that claim to predict things. He (Alex) is very apt to point out that things, timelines, scales of things change all the time, it is just the way the universe works. Another thing that sets him apart from "others" is, his balanced approach with the information he provides. He doesn't run off with this whole doom and gloom approach like David Icke for example, or that it's all Rainbows, Fluffy Cloudes and Kittens either like about oh 98% of the other contactees out there. I need to find it, but Moraney gave Alex some information regarding the water resources in Texas being spiked, and while it didn't reach the scale that it was thought to have reached, there was HARD scientific evidence of this event happening and was reported in mainstream news.

But, to say. It's not my job to prove or disprove Alex's credibility, the information which does this is out there. I am just providing this thread for people that are interested in The Andromedan perspective, and Alex Collier to know what is currently going on with him. And, help get the information he provides out. It's important that people wake up and learn the truth about our history, and where we come from and just exactly how strong and powerful we are. And, learn to truly respect and love ourselves. Infact, I've found that the majority of people that try to debunk or discredit Alex Collier either do it out of ignorance of the complete / full information and situation. Or, out of jealously. Or out of fear, for what ever reason the fear manifest it's self. 95% of the information that AC has put out is very easily verified, unfortunately it will still take some greater advances in science and humanity before the full 100% can be absolutely realized or verified. The Camelot Project also support Alex Collier as an Credible source, and are not a "fringe" site. They are an Exopolitical Site, and another Non-Fringe Site, as I mentioned before that also attest to his credibility, Exopolitics.com ,and several other of the top Exopolitics sites, again. Non-Fringe. And, all highly respected sites. Leading Edge Research, another site that lends their voice to Alex's credibility. And, for what it's worth I consider him a very credible source to on my own basis of having spent a good solid couple of years researching his information. Not something I give lightly either. Plus, please understand I am not demanding or saying that anyone needs to toe up and believe him 100% about everything, but I am trying to provide people truth and facts of what is going on out in our world around us, and encourage others to scratch beyond the surface and go out and research things. Also, to wake up. If, 1 Billion collectively stopped believing the lies and crap out there and stopped supporting the Negative Regressive forces that are out there. The world would literally change 180 degrees in one day. THAT is how powerful we are as a global species. And, most likely those evil, negative regressive forces would implode.

This is from Alex, in one of his "Letters From Andromeda" News Letters. I think even if people don't read the book, they should at the very least read one or two of these 8 page News Letters....

Letter From The Editor
The strangeness of this life, cannot be underestimated. In an attempt to share information imparted by the Andromedans, regarding our identity crisis on Earth, I have run into a wall of character assault, which I have never experienced before.

What profoundly interests me is that these people, who call themselves researchers, whom have never had a UFO
experience, most who have never seen one, whom have never be en on a craft, left our planet's atmosphere, or have
never, never touched the hand of another being from another world, have begun assaulting the wisdom of Moraney and Vasais. And also me personally. These people don' t know me, they've never be en to my home, shared a meal at our table. They are long on mouth, and short on ears. The reason there's so much ignorance in the ET research field, is that those who are ignorant of the real experience are so eager to share it. There is a saying that goes like this ''Tell me and I'll forget, teach me and I'll remember, involve me and I'll learn."

Ladies and Gentlemen, they make a living off other peoples experiences, they spit out other people's facts, and they
profess to want to know the truth. These people are not telling the truth. They want to be the centers of attention;
they want to be the stars! "Imprudence and Malice will always find admirers," Thomas Paine once said, in 1777.
This field of exploration is not about them the researcher, or the abductee or the contactee, it's about the off planet
Beings themselves. The information I share is the Andromedan information, not mine. It's not about -me. But these researchers who claim to want the TRUTH, practice the censorship of thought. They themselves don' t want to explore all of the information, or explore the reality of the experience tha t people, like myself, from all over the world are having.
We a r e all on a journey to know ourselves. And, most often the first steps are the most demanding and frustrating.
Only because we don' t know what we're looking for. Because each and every one of us is on a separate path towards our own "self-discovery".

As for me, I will make the decisions that need to be made for me. I will decide what information is valid to me. And all of the information has to be available. You researchers, and you know who you are, are flat wrong in your assumptions. You are wasting your time trying to hold me down. You are trying to grow a wishbone where your own backbone ought to be. You cannot make me feel inferior without my consent. And you don' t have it. Moraney will be alive and still flying through our Solar System when you are dust. Get a life, find your heart, and listen as well as you hear. Some people know more than they are willing to tell. Unfortunately, the reverse is also true. Thank you for letting me get this off my chest. Always be at one with yourself. ~ Alex.

Here's the part about the Texas Water, etc. I was referring to:

In a communication in November "96",Alex was informed by Moraney that there would be many attacks in the preceding months starting in December. As stated in the last issue, this indeed happened, and is still continuing even today. For a long period of time, Alex had no contacts from Moraney what so ever. Even when Alex would put out a call for contact, all was silent.

My view is as follows. Since Moraney had warned Alex in advance, it would make sense to me that he would not share any information with Alex during this time so as to protect Alex from any unwarranted attacks. On the other hand, knowing how much Morenay respects Alex along with wanting to protect him, if there was information of great importance (ie: mass landing, pending invasion, etc.), I feel that Moraney would have not wasted any time in giving Alex advance warning for himself and to be shared with others. It has be en said, ''That the Andromedans lack any moral compassion for our welfare." I would say just the opposite. Not sharing information because it really is not happening, makes common sense to me. Why fuel the sensational atmosphere, which would only serve in more confusion of public opinion? We must decide for ourselves
what is false. The Andromedans can not do it for us. What would we learn from that ? Nothing, except how to worship those who have no desire to be our saviors, but would rather just be our friends.

What has been lost in all of this sensationalism, is the basic common sense issues that the Andromedans have been sharing with us through Alex all these years. The Andromedans have never been into prophecy, instead they share probabilities, since the future is in constant change. When the Andromedans share probabilities with us, they are encouraging us to create changes in our current path of conscious reality. Others need to learn it's not about contacts, its always been about us realizing who we are and that we already have the tools to make change, literally by thinking it into reality.

Examples: The Andromedans had warned us of the possibility that our water would be tainted in Texas in a plot
to keep Texas from succeeding from the Union of States. What this information did, was mobilize a group of responsible individuals in Texas to circulate the information to all of the Municipal water suppliers throughout the entire state of Texas. I know, because the mailer was shared with us. Well over a thousand such letters went out, warning them of the potential attack, and by the way, the Andromedans were mentioned prominently. What we learned was that a small remote outbreak resulted, but nothing really major. Why? Because, I submit to you, that the conscious effort put forth by the responsible people in Texas and others sharing the information nationwide made the matter more of a public issue, not good for secret covert actions.

And what about the possibilityof the terrorist attack on the Olympics? The Andromedans had warned of a possibility of attack as a means to set off certain One World Order events and controls. Well, a bombing did take place, but no terrorist has been caught or charged for the attack. It's just a thought, but maybe the so called bombing was used to show the Olympic people that their security was not up to par. Indeed, some did get hurt but so many more did not. Was the bomb planted to draw attention, rather than intentionally hurt people? It is hard to say for sure, but maybe the prior warning helped avert a problem on a larger scale. ~ Jon Robinson, (Publisher) "Excerpt from 'Letters From Andromeda' News Letter.

Guess what people, 90% of what you were taught in public school about our history and origins is wrong. Hard to Swallow, I know but it's the truth.
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Postby Moon » Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:58 pm

If people want to believe Mr Collier communicates with persons from Andromeda, it is their right. But I did notice in the letter he stated he has undergone much character assassination due to his claims of being a channeler. Why should that upset him? People who make such claims should realize there are going to be some brutal criticisms about them and sometimes they do get personal. I try to stay away from personal attacks, but I do think character and past deeds are important to look at when someone is making these claims. It should be noted the Alex Collier is not his real name, so he should not complain about attacks on an alias that does not exist.

I do agree there is a lot of hard evidence showing a possible nuclear blast going off in the past. I would love to see the show Ancient Aliens spend a full hour on the claims and looking at the evidence to support it. Again, there are many anomalies out there which do need to be researched, but Mr Collier makes a claim it happened HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of years ago, not the usual dates of the discoveries which have been made.

It is possible for almost anyone out there to pretend to be a channeler/contactee without proving it. All they need to do is practice a few voices and brush up on some basic astronomy skills. If predicting the future, state alternate timeline and avoid predictions like earthquakes and hurricanes which we have no control over. Learn how to read people and always say positive things about them when you meet them. Also, never ask for money, just have your people collect the fees.

There are too many charlatans out there who have been caught and are just in it for the money or glory. It is up to each individual to decide for themselves what to believe. Personally, I think this Alex Collier character is one who has to prove what he claims as I will not believe him blindly. I am skeptical of many debunking sites, but also hold skepticism about claims such as his.
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Postby Sunrisepony » Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:17 pm

I suppose this one, we will have to agree to dissagre, but you must understand also he is NOT a channeler, he has blatantly stated that he isn't, he meets with these Off Worlders face to face, in person. That is not channeling. Nor is the other form of communication he uses which is telepathic. I have pointed out this fact. I have pointed out there is a difference between Telepathic Communication and Channeling, I have pointed out where many of your assumptions regarding him are misnomers based on lack of knowledge of the information. I feel it's important to me that the facts are clear, and any misconceptions or misunderstandings are straightened out so that those that are interested in his work don't go off half cocked thinking he is just like the rest of the contactes when he isn't because HE DOES NOT CHANNEL HIS COMMUNICATIONS like everyone else out there that are contacted. I don't think I could be any more clear and it's not fair to Alex Collier, to whether he chooses to use a alias or not to have that judged by his credibility, many professional people use aliases. It's *normal*, that doesn't remove any of his credibility. none of it. He's not a charlatan, he is not in it for the money, he just wants to help people and wake them up. I've never once said or demanded anyone here to "follow him blindly" or even "accept everything without researching." I put this information out here for people to read, and encurage respectful and mature, civil conversation to expand on and encourage others to fully research and seek out all that is the full picture. People should read his book, the letters from Andromeda and watch the lectures to get the full picture before passing judgement or opinion, that is the most fair and logical and rational way to do it.

Of course I'm sure he knew he would get the personal attacks and stuff of the negative energy coming at him, heck I get crap for this kind of stuff. It runs with the territory. But, you know even he pointed out, until peoples minds change and they at the very least accept that we are not alone out here in this great big universe, it's going to remain difficult for anyone in the field of Exopolitics to be taken even close to serious. And, really, last I checked this is still america and we all still have the right to complain if we don't like the way we're being treated or disrespected by others.
It is possible for almost anyone out there to pretend to be a channeler/contactee without proving it. All they need to do is practice a few voices and brush up on some basic astronomy skills. If predicting the future, state alternate timeline and avoid predictions like earthquakes and hurricanes which we have no control over. Learn how to read people and always say positive things about them when you meet them. Also, never ask for money, just have your people collect the fees.

There have been witnesses to his visiting and actually going on the ship, even seeing one ship out side his house, if someone directly ask him he has provided more than what he has put out. Actual Hard Solid Proof, I know I mostly addressed this above, but I need to make sure the facts are straightened out. Again, he's never claimed to be a channeler, he is not a channeler. He has provided lots of proof, but even you admitted you only watched a portion of one lecture and read a probably biased and misrepresented page on Wikipedia, which is an unreliable site for facts. He does NOT make predictions or claim to make predictions (go back and reread my other post in this thread, I have pointed this out several times), only offers possibilities and probabilities (there is a difference between this and absolute predictions that is as different as black and white), those that have read him know he only offers what has a possibility of happening with the understanding that things change and don't always happen as they are laid out. He is not a cold reader, he is a contacte. He has stated many times over he is not in it for the glory or money, but what is important to him is the message and getting the truth out there. And he doesn't only put out positive stuff, he's put out lots of negative stuff too and lots of "in the middle" he has been the only Contacte out there all along that has put out a balanced message (with absolutely NO channeling involved) and done his biggest effort in trying to wake people up to the truth about our history as a race. And, get people to understand and realize that no one is going to come down here and save us. We have to take charge of our own lives, respect and love our selves and learn to love and respect others, and this planet. He has been deemed credible by the top people in the Exopolitics field, I have spent a good couple years researching him myself personally, including many long hours of fact checking etc, which in my opinion is more than enough to take what he is saying seriously. But, even he says to go out and check out the information he puts out, research it. But, he also says that if his information, facts, truth that he puts out isn't resonating/vibrating or uncomfortable for someone. They just aren't ready to hear it. They aren't in the right frame of mind, or time in their path to be open to it. So far in my experience, I'd have to agree. There are some out there that just aren't ready.

Witness Testimony Supporting Alex Collier's Legitimacy as a Contactee:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/andromeda/esp_andromedacom_14.htm

Just thought I would also point out for others, Dr. Michael Salla Phd. Is one of the most world renowned and highly respected people among the top researchers and those involved in the field of Exopolitics. And, is one of the many that have given their support of Alex Collier as a very (and one of the very few) credible and legitimate contactee. The People behind Project Camelot have also given their support of Alex Collier, and many many others that are the most highly respected in the field. Including as well Alfred Lambremont Webre, JD, MEd, (of Exopolitics.com) and Robert M. Stanley, author, researcher and editor of Unicus Magazine (he also used to work for the Honda Motor Company as their Journalist). All people that carry a substantial amount of weight and credibility themselves. And, just so we're clear, I'm not debating his validity and legitimacy with anyone here any further, everyone is intitled to their opinion but this is not what the thread is about. It's about conversation of the information he puts out and just updating anyone who is interested in what's currently going on with Alex and his Andromedan friends. They're very real, they exist. Well Moraney does still anyway, since Vasaias passed away about 12 or 13 years ago now.
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Postby Moon » Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:35 pm

If he meets with them face to face, then he can prove he does so by introducing them to all of humankind. It makes his job easier of proving his claims, but I am guessing he is going to have a reason as to why he cannot do such a thing.
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Postby Sunrisepony » Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:04 pm

You'd be surprised, likely if you met AC in person, and asked. He would certainly ask them about you meeting them. That has been his answer when others have asked. But, it's up to them ultimately, they're free to make their own choices and have no obligation to do anything they don't want to, they're not at his beck and call which he points out many times. I don't know how many have or haven't got the opportunity so far as of yet, because I haven't followed up on that part. From what I know, between what Alex and Tolec have both said there is a time coming 'very' soon, like in the next six months to a year that there will be more face to face meetings with more contactees and others, between the Andromedans, and others from The Council. As far as I know, they are planning on introducing themselves to humanity in the very near future, but they do have certain safety precautions and other requirements they have to meet, and humanity has to meet on a conscious level first. If you read the link I provided of a witness, you can see how Moraney, and Vasias (when he was alive) were with that witness. They started interacting with him too.
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Postby Dr Z. » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:23 am

If Collier's mission is to inform people, why can't he ask for physical and video evidence from those he is commutating with? It would certainly help his case. Has anyone asked that question to him? I would be interested to hear his reply.
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Postby Sunrisepony » Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:00 am

As far as I remember, he has a couple photos and I know of one witness that saw a photo of Moraney. But, from what I remember when he's been asked about this. And, personally I have to agree. He has said if I remember correctly (and don't quote me on this, it's not verbatim) for the most part the majority aren't ready, they just aren't yet. It's getting there. Check out this link though, I think it answers your question in a much better way than I can. It compares also for example Billy Meier and Alex Collier at the very end of it and explain the trouble with physical evidence 'vs' the approach AC has taken so far. There are some times that providing hard solid evidence can jeopardize someone's credibility more than help it. Even when it's the smoking gun.

Witness Testimony Supporting Alex Collier's Legitimacy as a Contactee:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/andromeda/esp_andromedacom_14.htm

We have to consider and remember, we're the minority. Someone shows us a authentic photo of an Off Worlder like Moraney and indisputable video of a ship, or even has one come flying by that we can see with our very own eyes. We're going to go "Ok, they're real, we get it." The majority out there...would swear it's all "fake"(then where does that leave him?), or worse bow down and worship the ground Alex Collier, Moraney and the others walk on, which seems to be what they don't want. At least these benevolent races anyway. Or, the other extreme, they try to demonize them, fear them and harm them. Until, this mindset changes not even the most solid hard indisputable evidence will mean a thing.
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Postby Moon » Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:09 pm

Alex Collier does fit right in with the contactees of the 1950s. Instead of the visitors coming from Venus and Neptune, they come from Andromeda. The same case for the earlier contactees to prove their meetings applies to Mr Collier.

I did read Brad Steiger's latest book of aliens, and he has a whole chapter devoted to Contactees. Alex Collier is not mentioned in the book.
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Postby Sunrisepony » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:25 am

It's impossible and unfair to compare Alex Collier even to the Contactees of the 50's, they were mostly from panic stricken humans that didn't even come close to understanding what was going on. And, the majority of them didn't have face to face meetings. Alex is a very unique contactee and therefore is very difficult if not impossible to compare to the "others". Btw, I found out he legally had his name changed to Alex Collier a few years ago.

And, so what if Brad didn't put Alex in his book, it doesn't make him any less credible or legitimate as a contactee.
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Postby Moon » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:13 pm

I mentioned Mr Collier not being in Brad Steiger's book as Mr Steiger is big on all the alternative and fringe ideas of ufology. If Mr Collier merits no mention, it raises a red flag for me.

Brad Steiger is well respected and has written well over one hundred books on these subjects. While I may not agree with a lot of his ideas, I do respect the man for all the research he has done in the fields of ufology. I have written to Mr Steiger for his views about Mr Collier to be clear on this subject.
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Postby Sunrisepony » Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:11 am

Maybe the two were never introduced to eachother, or Alex declined not wanting the attention or any number of things. You can't hold one book with one author against Alex. Because none of us know what that situation involved. Who knows, maybe Alex wasn't doing anything at the time BS was doing his research or what ever. Most books are published two years after they're completed. That's completely unfair and unreasonable to hold something as trivial as that against Alex. I'm certainly interested though to hear the response you get.
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Postby Moon » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:34 pm

Brad Steiger has been doing research in this field for over 40 years, so he would know every character out there. I did contact Mr Steiger, but I don't expect any response soon as he is very busy with his projects (he has written over 100 books, so he has little time to deal with pesky emails from me).
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Postby Sunrisepony » Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:40 am

I know the truth, and I've laid the information here for others to research and investigate on their own. I'm not holding anyone's hand, people are either ready for this information or they're not. It's up to them to decide if they are or aren't.
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Postby Believer » Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:17 am

Sunrisepony wrote:I know the truth, and I've laid the information here for others to research and investigate on their own. I'm not holding anyone's hand, people are either ready for this information or they're not. It's up to them to decide if they are or aren't.


No offense, but what you write above is a tad condescending. Information that AA's, for example, lay out there can be seen with the naked eye. Pyramids, Nazca etc. etc. Building these with the tools available at the time, or what we are being told was available, seems a very, very hard thing to do. Anyone can see that.

But some of the "information" you have given is a little hard to swallow even for open minded people. For example, all this Andromeda council and earth being the epicenter of an intra galactic battle between alien races and energy weapons causing earthquakes. These do sound a bit Star Wars like. Then, a so-called brown star being sneaked in between Earth and Venus. Or that Neptune has plant and animal life. Or that the universe is 23 trillion years old - no one knows how old the universe is and indeed it could be true that it has been formed, collapsed and re-formed many timea and this isn't the first universe but the current accepted age is somewhere between 13 and 15 billion years. That is way, way below 23 trillion years. Then your stuff about this Alex Collier guy. I checked out a couple of his videos and frankly speaking, the guy sounded completely sloshed in those videos. Either drunk or very, very high on something. He could barely put together two coherent sentences. That doesn't exactly incite feelings of credibility.

Just saying that giving out "information" without any sort of basis is not going to have many takers and you will be always left saying that you're not going to "hold hands" etc. etc. etc.

Just IMHO. Am not running you down or anything...just put down some thoughts after reading your post that I quoted
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Postby Sunrisepony » Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:19 am

This 3D Universe, this "part" of it is only 21 Billion Years old, but the Whole Universe it's self is 23 Trillion. The Organic life On Neptune, Uranus etc. Is 4D and 5D, which is why it is not picked up on, but Voyager 2 did find life in Uranus's atmosphere, why really do you think they've never been back? Come on, come to reality. Simple Quantum Physics and Quantum Dynamics/Mechanics, etc. But, I seriously do not have the time, patience etc for constantly regurgitating information that is out there for people to read and learn on their own. People are either ready for the truth or they're not. And, when everyone catches up to reality, and what is really truly going on this world is going to be so different. I've moved beyond the "what if" stage, I don't have to question "what if", I automatically know whether something is real or isn't, truth or fabrication. And, seriously that is just the way it is, people are either ready for this information or they're not. And, who knows...some may never be. If you and others don't resonate with this information then it is either not part of your personal path, or you guys just aren't ready to accept it. But, that's only for you as individuals to decide.

The Motto of the Off Worlders, the Benevolents among other little mottos, sayings. is "Tell The Truth And Never Compromise." I live by that.
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Postby Foxlike Mulder » Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:30 pm

Believer wrote:
Sunrisepony wrote:I know the truth, and I've laid the information here for others to research and investigate on their own. I'm not holding anyone's hand, people are either ready for this information or they're not. It's up to them to decide if they are or aren't.


No offense, but what you write above is a tad condescending. Information that AA's, for example, lay out there can be seen with the naked eye. Pyramids, Nazca etc. etc. Building these with the tools available at the time, or what we are being told was available, seems a very, very hard thing to do. Anyone can see that.

But some of the "information" you have given is a little hard to swallow even for open minded people. For example, all this Andromeda council and earth being the epicenter of an intra galactic battle between alien races and energy weapons causing earthquakes. These do sound a bit Star Wars like. Then, a so-called brown star being sneaked in between Earth and Venus. Or that Neptune has plant and animal life. Or that the universe is 23 trillion years old - no one knows how old the universe is and indeed it could be true that it has been formed, collapsed and re-formed many timea and this isn't the first universe but the current accepted age is somewhere between 13 and 15 billion years. That is way, way below 23 trillion years. Then your stuff about this Alex Collier guy. I checked out a couple of his videos and frankly speaking, the guy sounded completely sloshed in those videos. Either drunk or very, very high on something. He could barely put together two coherent sentences. That doesn't exactly incite feelings of credibility.

Just saying that giving out "information" without any sort of basis is not going to have many takers and you will be always left saying that you're not going to "hold hands" etc. etc. etc.

Just IMHO. Am not running you down or anything...just put down some thoughts after reading your post that I quoted


I have to agree with Believer. I do have an open mind and I do tend to believe some of the more controversial theories. But the truth be told, I just can't accept at face value all the facts that are being offered here, even though many of them are found on other sites. Whether right or wrong, we have been taught from an early age to evaulate theories with concrete evidence which supports a particular claim. To Max's point about Dr. Michael Sala...he has published a number of theories collaborating much of what is offered here. Because of Sala's educational background, I am willing to accept more from him than I probably should...as a result, Max informs us that Sala did most of his research on the internet (I read this before but selectively "misremembered", I guess). Internet research is not concrete evidence I am afraid. I will say this, there are some fairly influential pieces of documentation posted online. But again, so many things can be altered, falsified or created out of thin air...as a result, internet based proof has to have greater scrutiny attached to it.

Pony, I am not saying I don't believe what you say is true. I, along with others, just can't fully accept these claims without other evidence to support the situation. And to get upset with that response is not helping us climb over that gap....kind of like Dan Akroid in the old days of Point/Counter Point...instead of words, you need to work with us more on compelling proof for your assertions. FWIW, I would like to believe you...
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Postby Moon » Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:55 pm

Sunrisepony wrote:I know the truth, and I've laid the information here for others to research and investigate on their own. I'm not holding anyone's hand, people are either ready for this information or they're not. It's up to them to decide if they are or aren't.


Nobody knows the full truth of what is going on. It is only speculations based on what someone who claims to have face to face meetings with extraterrestrials from the constellation of Andromeda says. If he has an interview with Larry King (who is open to all things UFO) and introduces the world to an Andromedan, then we can see for our selves.

It is nice to have people wrap every little conspiracy theory or mystery into one big happy answer, but that just ain't gonna happen. The world and Universe is way to complex and wonderful and is waiting for us to explore it.

It is also nice to invent the 5th Dimension and have beings in it so there is no way to prove they exist. Until we come up with a way to communicate with other dimensions, those ideas are pure speculation also.
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Postby Ace Rimmer » Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:19 pm

For me everything is speculation and theory, unless I have some real proof.

The great thing about this forum is we have ideas and theories coming at us from all directions and we can pick and choose what we might want to check into for ourselves.

We have a few people on here who claim to know the truth, but they are not claiming the same things, so whose truth is the truth?

Just because somebody says what they know to be true is really the only truth. Well if it works for you so be it, but it might not be somebody else's truth.
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Postby Moon » Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:29 pm

It is also thrilling to have a real mystery on our hands too. There was a mystery of whether Princess Anastasia survived the execution after the Russian Revolution. A woman claimed she was Anastasia, but that turned out to be false once some remains were tested for DNA and Anastasia's was among them. One of the mysteries is solved, so when we see the movie versions we actually know the truth taking away something from them.

Eventually, many mysteries will be solved. Some are going to be fantastic answers, other pretty mundane.
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Postby seeker1117 » Sat Dec 17, 2011 3:37 pm

I guess I'll poke my head in here and speak up.

While, yes, I understand that folks want to "stick to the facts" about stuff, I'd ask everyone to please keep in mind the fact that without the "far out crazy ideas", we wouldn't be sitting here discussing this stuff.

It's one thing to strive to keep to things "supported by evidence" but, in reality, NOTHING about "AAT" is "supported by evidence" unless you are inclined to interpret the evidence a certain way.

So, I'd maybe offer up the thought that maybe people should just allow others to have their views and attempt to discuss them with them with an open mind, rather than what (in this thread and others, I've noticed) I'd call a rather heavy-handed attempt at dismissing and denigrating "ideas" that might seem "crazy"...I mean, really, folks. Some of the stuff on this page is pretty harsh. ANYONE being treated like this would get defensive, after a bit of trying to get a point across to people bent on not seeing it.

Is this place not big enough to hold differing points of view? Let's stop the "chop-busting" and begin some reasonable discussion.
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Postby forgottentales » Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:45 pm

seeker1117 wrote:I guess I'll poke my head in here and speak up.

While, yes, I understand that folks want to "stick to the facts" about stuff, I'd ask everyone to please keep in mind the fact that without the "far out crazy ideas", we wouldn't be sitting here discussing this stuff.

It's one thing to strive to keep to things "supported by evidence" but, in reality, NOTHING about "AAT" is "supported by evidence" unless you are inclined to interpret the evidence a certain way.

So, I'd maybe offer up the thought that maybe people should just allow others to have their views and attempt to discuss them with them with an open mind, rather than what (in this thread and others, I've noticed) I'd call a rather heavy-handed attempt at dismissing and denigrating "ideas" that might seem "crazy"...I mean, really, folks. Some of the stuff on this page is pretty harsh. ANYONE being treated like this would get defensive, after a bit of trying to get a point across to people bent on not seeing it.

Is this place not big enough to hold differing points of view? Let's stop the "chop-busting" and begin some reasonable discussion.



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Postby Moon » Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:15 am

seeker1117 wrote:I guess I'll poke my head in here and speak up.

While, yes, I understand that folks want to "stick to the facts" about stuff, I'd ask everyone to please keep in mind the fact that without the "far out crazy ideas", we wouldn't be sitting here discussing this stuff.

It's one thing to strive to keep to things "supported by evidence" but, in reality, NOTHING about "AAT" is "supported by evidence" unless you are inclined to interpret the evidence a certain way.

So, I'd maybe offer up the thought that maybe people should just allow others to have their views and attempt to discuss them with them with an open mind, rather than what (in this thread and others, I've noticed) I'd call a rather heavy-handed attempt at dismissing and denigrating "ideas" that might seem "crazy"...I mean, really, folks. Some of the stuff on this page is pretty harsh. ANYONE being treated like this would get defensive, after a bit of trying to get a point across to people bent on not seeing it.

Is this place not big enough to hold differing points of view? Let's stop the "chop-busting" and begin some reasonable discussion.


Well said and three cheers to you, seeker. Sometimes we do get a bit involved in the discussions here and can be passionate. While I am one of the more "where's the proof" in the AAT field, I should not forget that the basic ideas need to be brought to the discussion before we can even start to look for evidence. OLuiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiijk (my cat is helping me type, so I am leaving that in)

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Postby seeker1117 » Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:57 am

I appreciate your apology, Max, and I hope that Sunrisepony will, if she makes it back on to the forum.

I want to add that it was not just your posts, but the posts of others, as well. It was like a great "piling-on" effect got started, and frankly, it began to look like a concerted effort after awhile. I guess another comment I'd make is this: It's a fine line between "Keeping Trolls Away" and targeting those whos beliefs are a bit different. Sort of makes me think of it this way: Perhaps the phenom isn't so much a "piling-on" but a reaction against having to actually consider the mere possibility that the beliefs of the person in question might actually have even a tiny snippet of validity.

One of the things I've learned is that while it's given fact that NOBODY knows everything 100%, we need to also allow the possibility that at least PARTS of what everyone knows are vaild and "true". Everyone has a chunk of Truth to add to the puzzle. Each of us "needs" a chunk of Truth from someone else to complete our own puzzle. Some people need different pieces, so there's more pieces than you might need to choose from. The old adage "Take what you need and leave the rest." applies.

I'd alter that to: "Take what works for you, but leave the other bits unspoiled and untarnished for folks who might need them."
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Re: Latest from Alex Collier and his Andromedan Friends

Postby Moon » Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:04 am

I did not mean to look like I was piling on, but reading all the posts attacking the ideas Sunrise put up does fit the bill. I do hope Sunrise returns here as she added a unique spin to things here. We need the diversity of opinions, especially those I may not agree with.
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Re: Latest from Alex Collier and his Andromedan Friends

Postby Sunrisepony » Mon Jan 09, 2012 5:37 pm

I haven't really reviewed the rest of this thread since I've been gone and returned. But, he has done 2-3 more interviews with Robert Stanley on the Unicus Magazine Blog Talk Radio. And, I wanted to add that I have now had confirmed by a handful of those who I feel are reliable sources that I know personally. Are all in agreement with other sources aforementioned that Alex Collier is a reliable and credible source / contactee.

Obviously I understand the nature of this situation as with all contactees, a lack of "physical proof" but many things he has said have been confirmed with outside information like various events etc. I have had my own contacts, which also confirmed for me that Alex is reliable/trustworthy etc.

I will certainly be happy to help direct those interested to more of Alex Collier's information, interviews,etc.
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