The Worship of Horses And Stone Circles

[Saxoneer]

Another problem with this theory is the holes, you say they are cable duct points. But most stone circles do not have holes in them!

[Ace Rimmer]

Another problem with this theory is the holes, you say they are cable duct points. But most stone circles do not have holes in them!

Hey that's a switch, usually we do have holes in our theories.

[Saxoneer]

Hey that's a switch, usually we do have holes in our theories.

We do, just not in the stones!

[Moon]

The megalithic structures in Armenia have holes in them. It is a mystery as to why although not all of them have the holes:



Also, if you look it does seem the holes are at some very weak points. I don't know if lifting them at those points would of been easy:

[Saxoneer]

Hey MM, you just moved the stones They are in Armenia, not Albania, it says so on the photo. I know these stones have holes but other stone circles don't and if you look at the photo, it's not much of a circle, more of a mess!

[Bob137]

Maybe some were used to tie their dinosaurs up to?

[Moon]

I don't know why I put Albania instead of Armenia!

Here is a link to the article on the megaliths:

http://enjoyarmenia.com/archives/446

There does seem to be some kind of coherence as to their design.

[Saxoneer]

Maybe it's because they both start with A and end with A?

I've looked at the other photos and while there may we be a coherence to their design, where's the dang circle?

[Moon]

I didn't see a circle either. They may have formed one at one time, but I thought it was worth noting them because of the mysterious holes in some of the stones.

[Bob137]

What I notice is they seem to be perfectly spherical, that takes some precise boring, not just a copper chisel, or grinding a round harder stone through it. It has to be held by something to keep it from wobbling, such as a machine!

[Moon]

I don't think we should throw out any of Quel's ideas as these stones are intriguing. Just why did they bore those holes?

They were made several thousand years before the pyramids also.

[Quelquechosedautre]

why utilize a horse at all,w hen you have ET technology!

1. Why use a sledgehammer to crack a walnut? The word MONEY actually derives from its first use at a Temple to a god, which, in our own investigation, was almost certainly an ET. Given this, is it not possible that the concept of mone comes from the ET's? Using expensive ET technology, designed to cross the cosmos, simply to travel a few hundred miles would make no sense..
2. Unlike ordinary batteries, horses do not "run down". Indeed, as has been shown in the series "AFTER MAN', the last verstage of mankind's hand on the planet almost certainly would be the various species that we have bred and hence, ET's could always be certain in the future of finding livestock locally to turn the armature.
3. What evidence is there that the ET's always had ET technology? There would have been very little, if not NO air traffic control on Earth when they were here. Crashes or breakdowns could have been often and likely. There are even reports from the Andes of what is now clearly ET's struggling to repair a broken down UFO. By steeing up outposts with bunches of local humans with horses/oxen that they are trained to use for pull ploughs that can be occasionally called up for service at "The Temple" by the Gods to turn the armature would have had BIG advantages for the ET's rather than being, maybe, stranded thousands of miles away from anywhere that could help them.
4. WHich would it have been easier to train stone age man to use? ET technology or turning an armature? There is no training problem with having stone temple dynamos - one just trains local humans to use horses for ploughing and then have them do basically the same at the Temple and VOILA! Electricity!

[Bob137]

I understand what you are implying Q, but there would be a circle worn down where the horses were going round and round turning this dynamo. Is there any such evidence around any of those areas? I haven't read of any as of yet. It is possible they were utilized more for astrological use, and for more of a power transfer than an actual dynamo.

[Quelquechosedautre]

I understand what you are implying Q, but there would be a circle worn down where the horses were going round and round turning this dynamo. Is there any such evidence around any of those areas? .

Forgive me, but the "areas" confuses me.

Just to summarise the evidence again...

1. Stone circles often are closely associated with a near by smaller circle.
2. They are often close to water.
3. In a world with only bare copper wiring, not covered cable, they would have needed some form of ducting. Between the big circles and small, there is inevitably strange stone "ducting runs.

Sotnehenge is an excellent version of this. The dig by "TIME TEAM" (I believe it was) only recently showed all of this stunningly. Near Stonehenge there was another tiny ring of stones that happened to stand on the river. This would have been useful for a. Turning the first stones by water power. b. Utilising the power from the big circle to drive the smaller one with scaling up which would have allowed ti to become, in effect, a machine shop.

Between where the two circles existed, there is a clear stone duct that runs along the ground with no particular explanation of why it is there, although the stone would have been "non-conductive".

Finally, it is worth considering one strange point. The Ancient Britons finally moved small stones of the small circles to stand at the centre of the big stone circle JUST SHORTLY BEFORE THE SITE WAS ABANDONED. The impression given to me is some High Priest, after the ET's had left coming up with the "bright idea" of "increasing the spiritual power" by compbining them which of course simply meant that Stonehenge would actually completely stop working. Result? They probably got angry with the priest, lost their temple with the officials and gave up, leaving the small stones in the new, entirely useless wrong position.

[forgottentales]

why utilize a horse at all,w hen you have ET technology!

1. Why use a sledgehammer to crack a walnut? The word MONEY actually derives from its first use at a Temple to a god, which, in our own investigation, was almost certainly an ET. Given this, is it not possible that the concept of mone comes from the ET's? Using expensive ET technology, designed to cross the cosmos, simply to travel a few hundred miles would make no sense..
2. Unlike ordinary batteries, horses do not "run down". Indeed, as has been shown in the series "AFTER MAN', the last verstage of mankind's hand on the planet almost certainly would be the various species that we have bred and hence, ET's could always be certain in the future of finding livestock locally to turn the armature.
3. What evidence is there that the ET's always had ET technology? There would have been very little, if not NO air traffic control on Earth when they were here. Crashes or breakdowns could have been often and likely. There are even reports from the Andes of what is now clearly ET's struggling to repair a broken down UFO. By steeing up outposts with bunches of local humans with horses/oxen that they are trained to use for pull ploughs that can be occasionally called up for service at "The Temple" by the Gods to turn the armature would have had BIG advantages for the ET's rather than being, maybe, stranded thousands of miles away from anywhere that could help them.
4. WHich would it have been easier to train stone age man to use? ET technology or turning an armature? There is no training problem with having stone temple dynamos - one just trains local humans to use horses for ploughing and then have them do basically the same at the Temple and VOILA! Electricity!

In your original post you said this was called the Place of the Power People. If they used horses it would be called the Place of Horsepower, not power people.

You say in 2. of your post: "
2. Unlike ordinary batteries, horses do not "run down".

You really don't have a clue about horses. I am not trying to be rude but that is just about the most ignorant statement I've ever heard anyone say about a horse. Please, horses don't run down? They are NOT machines. They have to be fed, watered, rested, stabled, and have to have extensive training before they will be the least bit willing to go round and round in a circle. I trained Standardbreds for over 20 yrs. You know, the ones who go round and round the race track pulling a cart with a drive in it. 4 miles of trotting, 5 at top form after having been conditioned for that for 6mths and the horse is BEAT~!! Walking a horse in a circle is not going to create enough power to run a light bulb. You can walk a horse 4 or 5miles but then you have to rest them. Their feet wear down and you have to keep them trimmed and balance.

I think you are just stubbornly adhering to your theory like a mother to her child and being totally closed minded to the fact that you don't understand horses well enough to promote them in this theory.

[Quelquechosedautre]

Look, I have no idea why you keep harping on about keeping horses. THis is exceptionally irritating and repetitive and I keep trying to expalin to you that, at core, my whole concept in centred on the idea of "A BEAST OF BURDEN" if you like turning the rota. Could be anything from mammoth to horses, from zebras to husklies whatever. It really is utterly irrelevant to go on and on about the "whole theory depends on horses" which it does not.

Secondly, in terms of horses, I have lived with horses most of my life. I have been riding since the age of 8, I did it at school as my sport and did it at University and I used to live next door to a stables originally built to train the Dutch Olympic Equestrian team and you are utterly wrong on this point. If locals are given horses to train to plough fields and grow crops, and are required, say, once a month or so to turn up for an hour or two then this is surely feasible.

[forgottentales]

Look, I have no idea why you keep harping on about keeping horses. THis is exceptionally irritating and repetitive and I keep trying to expalin to you that, at core, my whole concept in centred on the idea of "A BEAST OF BURDEN" if you like turning the rota. Could be anything from mammoth to horses, from zebras to husklies whatever. It really is utterly irrelevant to go on and on about the "whole theory depends on horses" which it does not.

Secondly, in terms of horses, I have lived with horses most of my life. I have been riding since the age of 8, I did it at school as my sport and did it at University and I used to live next door to a stables originally built to train the Dutch Olympic Equestrian team and you are utterly wrong on this point. If locals are given horses to train to plough fields and grow crops, and are required, say, once a month or so to turn up for an hour or two then this is surely feasible.

You have NO IDEA why I keep "HARPING" on about horses?
The title of the thread is: The Worship of Horses and Stone Circles.
From your very own OP:
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"4. The region has had a long history of the presence of horses, exactly the animal needed to pull the block around in the middle of the rings of magnetic stones.
5. Karaunj is even known by another name meaning "The Place of the Power People"...C'mon, how obvious does it have to be? Karahunj is a vast dynamo."
Quelquechosedautre
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You may choose to change your story now and say it isn't about horses running around a stone circle to generate electricy and make it into 'beast of burden" now who only are needed for an hour, but that doesn't change the fact that your beast of burden theory, IN THE OP was all about horses. No, no horseman would ever claim that horses "don't run down like batteries do". Now, it's "just for an hour". If you rode you would know that a horse can't run around a circle for an hour. Race horses race for two minutes at a gallop and they are beat. Much longer and they'd collapse. A horse trotting for 4 miles does that in 20 minutes and it BEAT. No horse can go for an hour, except at the walk, in a steady gait. You really think a horse walking in a circle is going to pull fast enough at that gait to generate any appreciable energy? Pedaling a bicycle would generate more electricity than that because the motor would turn much faster.

But there's no use in arguing the point with you; you have proven that that's an exercise in futility.

[Ace Rimmer]

Er..Quel, you are the one who brought up horses, not anybody else.

Almost every single post you have made in this thread you are going on about horses. I'll refresh your memory.

These are all from your posts: Do you notice a pattern emerging in regards to mentioning horses?
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. The region has had a long history of the presence of horses, exactly the animal needed to pull the block around in the middle of the rings of magnetic stones.

There is a long-standing tradition in areas associated with horse worship connecting horses to the God of the Sea.

- Greek and Roman Mythology has Poseidon as God of the Sea AND HORSES
- Norse Mythology has Loki as both the God of the Sea AND CAN SHAPESHIFT INTO BEING A HORSE
- Hindu Rigveda (the Indian Vedic hymn) has the God Trita which is God of the Sea AND HORSES

Areas associated with horse worship are, pretty much, always associated with stone circles. Indeed, the more stone circles an area has, the more intense the worship of horses.

Furthermore, French archaeologist Patrice Menial has demonstrated from bones excavated that the lack of horse bones shows that ancient man in these areas NEVER ate horses… but just about everything else.at that time. In Uffington, a giant horse is cut into the landscape dating from the bronze age.

WHY?

Were stone circles giant dynamos built by ET’s with armatures pulled by horses?

Primative men who might have seen aliens using horses to turn the armature might have concluded that not only the aliens but also the horses were gods. Furthermore, could this electricity have been used to generate hydrogen for the purposes of creating lifting vehicles like balloons or Zeppelins, capable of moving the vast stones for assembly into pyramids etc found elsewhere in the world? Consider the violence of water being electrolysed – the voltage causes turbulently raging, might have given rise to the belief that horses were gods who had powers over water, the seas and the oceans.

It is also worth considering that not only are the stones in stone circles invariably magnetic, but the circles are ALWAYS only found near plentiful sources of horses and water, particularly salt water.

combined posts per forum rules-MM
Consider also that diverse cultures developed worship of the horse and building of stone circles independently, yet close cultures were unaffected...

The Ancient Britons developed their worship of the horse long before the formation of the Roman empire who gained their deities form Greece, a place that had almost no contact with Britain which they termed the "Ultimate Isles" and who certainly gained NOTHING in terms of culture or religion from the blue-stained warriors who lived there.

Furthermore, the Greeks never spread their belief in horse and sea connected deities to Egypt or, say the Persians, empires that had no stone circles when they had close contact with both and even ruled the Persians for a while.

Actually, the central idea is that Stone Circles were giant dynamos with vasdt armatures o counter the weak magnetic forces of the stones in the ring. These armatures therefore had to be pulled around by beasts of burden, such as horses in places like Britain and Cattle in India ...hence the worship of each in the relevant places...

[Bob137]

How about Burro's and Donkey's, or am I being a J*&$%Ass! Anyway, a theory of the circles being a sort of a dynamo, with or w/o horses, is not really practical. I believe in the ley lines, and that many of these sites were in line, but not all, I looked at a map on numerous stone circles in England, Ireland, Scotland, and Wales, and they do not line up. They are mainly in the Northern and Southern areas of each of those areas though, but not all. Also in regards to some kind of field of energy, it is supposed they do produce an energy source, (just not the way described). Not trying to put your theory down at all, just conveying what is know of these ancient megalithic stone circles. Their is a theory that most if not all megalithic sites utilized a free energy source that used many megalithic sites as a transfer station, to get energy from one place to another. Also that they are a balance for the earth, and many other theories on sound use, etc... I think that there is a lot more research needed on these and other sites to get more of a grasp of what they were actually utilized for.

[Saxoneer]

It seems to me that Quel doesn't like constructive critisism, Quel is right and every one else is wrong! Granted the holes in the stones are fascinating and worth looking at, but to say they are a dynamo and linking them with other stone circles when they clearly don't have holes doesn't work. I agree with Bob, there are no worn down paths formed by animals, any animal, constantly walking in circles. Why would an advanced ET civilization capable of traversing the cosmos need to be powered up by a dynamo? Doesn't make sense!

[Quelquechosedautre]

It seems to me that Quel doesn't like constructive critisism,

This is not true. It is merely that others seem to be generally critical of my thinking as it does nto comply with the general theory of the day, but, as I have pointed out, rewind the clock even 100 years and the idea of aliens at all was generally completely absurd to people.

Quel is right and every one else is wrong!

Yes, of course, for my theory to be correct, everyone else would indeed have to be wrong. THat is obvious, but as I have pointed out, when Chariots of the Gods was published, it again required everyone else on be wrong and increasingly Von Daniken's concepts are becoming increasingly clearly correct.

linking them with other stone circles

This suggests that you have not checked the facts. THe stone circles taht are linked are not ones miles away, but circles only a few hundred feet away from each other.

when they clearly don't have holes doesn't work.

Lack of holes would not prevent them from being used as dynamos.

I agree with Bob,

Which Bob? Are you referring to me?

there are no worn down paths formed by animals, any animal, constantly walking in circles.

This would not be a daily routine but a one a month event or even less, for just a few hours. Hardly enougbh time to erode grass.

Why would an advanced ET civilization capable of traversing the cosmos need to be powered up by a dynamo?

It is EXCEPTIONALLY ANNOYING when I have REPEATEDLY answered points only to have people repeat them parrot-fashion right back again. THis has been CLEARLY answered above.

In short, if you own a Bugatti Veyron (Price $1,600,000, with tyres that cost $20,000 each) one does not deliver the kids to school in it or go driving in a demolition derby in it. The same is true here. An ET would not wish to fly around an uncharted planet in it nor put some Stone Age cretin behind the wheel of it. If he needs manual labour done, he would want the local grunt to use low level technology that can't be harmed by someone doing something stupid with it. Likewise, if you forget and leave the lights on overnight on your flashy sports car, the battery will be dead. In the same way, if the electrical systems in a UFO have failed, maybe through a crash, an ET will need some energy source possibly to machine parts and refire up the battery. Remember, Apollo 13 only made it home as they still had all theelectrical power of a dull torch in the Command Module. Without that little power, they were all dead.

Doesn't make sense!

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Yes, it does, but mindlessly repeating the same critiisms that I have already answered is indeed senseless and boring/irritating to everyone to have to keep reading it over and over and over and over and over again.

[forgottentales]

It seems to me that Quel doesn't like constructive critisism, Quel is right and every one else is wrong!

Yes. and it's extremely irritating that you people, don't recognize that~!! But, as it happens with all visionaries, this genius WILL be realized in future.

[Bob137]

How about we all just agree to disagree. We can go on, on other subjects on other forums on here.

[Ace Rimmer]

How about we all just agree to disagree. We can go on, on other subjects on other forums on here.

The voice of reason! Yes, let's all go disagree about something else.

[Quelquechosedautre]

You really think a horse walking in a circle is going to pull fast enough at that gait to generate any appreciable energy? Pedaling a bicycle would generate more electricity than that because the motor would turn much faster.

ANd just where are Aliens, arrivingmany thousands of years ago, going to be able to buy a BUCYCLE? I know it might be hard for you to conceive of, but Walmarts was not around 10,000 years ago.

You comment proves my whole point. Cycling a bicycle generates electricity by utilizing the dynamo on its wheel. With no magnets, no dynamo is possible UUNLESS natural lothstones are used. But to compensate for the weakness of magnetism in these stone, the tiny magnets found in a bicycle dynamo have to be replaced with stones the size of small car to get the same electric output.
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But there's no use in arguing the point with you; you have proven that that's an exercise in futility.

I fail to see how you can honestly see how your argument that the Aliens could have gone to Walmart 10,000 years ago instead in any way invalidates my theory.

[forgottentales]

Walmart?

Walmart?

Anybody see where I ever wrote the word "Walmart" in a previous post on this thread?

The comment I made that pedaling a bicycle would create more electricity than horses walking in a circle was not to say that Aliens should go to Walmart and by a bicyle. Which I would think you should well know.

[Ace Rimmer]

Merry-go-Rounds..yes! we owe it all to Alien Intervention.

Sometimes in the summer they have Carnivals in Walmart parking lots and they have ponies walking around in a circle all day long. Aliens!

This thread has turned into a real mess.

Quel, we tried to be serious and offer our opinions on your theory, but you for some reason can’t handle our opinions or thoughts without becoming defensive. There is no right or wrong.
Something makes perfect sense to one person and has holes in it for another. Whatever floats your boat. It is all theory, speculation and conjecture at best. We are all in the dark.

But if you can find or invent an explanation about life, the universe and everything, good going. But you asked us to consider your theory and we did.

[Quelquechosedautre]

Walmart?

The comment I made that pedaling a bicycle would create more electricity than horses walking in a circle was not to say that Aliens should go to Walmart and by a bicyle.

WHich is EXACTLY my point. Where would the ALiens obtain a bicycle from, 10,000 years ago?

It is utterly absurd to suggest a bicycle for the Aliens to use as an alternative.

[Bob137]

First off, aliens use whirlygigs, and thingamajigs, and whatsits, they don't need donkey's, horse, bicycles, or even stupid stinky monkey people to do their thing, they jsut do what they do, do whop whop whop!

[Coomba98]

hahahaha whop whop whop!

Sorry im only commenting on that line.

First off, aliens use whirlygigs, and thingamajigs, and whatsits, they don't need donkey's, horse, bicycles, or even stupid stinky monkey people to do their thing, they jsut do what they do, do whop whop whop!

.... Whop whop whop! hahahaha cracker!

[forgottentales]

Walmart?

The comment I made that pedaling a bicycle would create more electricity than horses walking in a circle was not to say that Aliens should go to Walmart and by a bicyle.

WHich is EXACTLY my point. Where would the ALiens obtain a bicycle from, 10,000 years ago?

It is utterly absurd to suggest a bicycle for the Aliens to use as an alternative.

Since nobody but you suggested that Aliens should use bicycle power, I have no objection to your arguing with yourself.

[Bob137]

Beat me, whip me, make me feel used and abused. Whip it, whip it good! Masochism is alive and well. Beat it, Beat it. Do the monster mash!

[Saxoneer]

Could someone please tell me how we were capable of building a great big Zeppelin with real working engines mind you, but we're not capable of building a piddly little bicycle? Althgough we don't really need a bicycle do we, just a seat, a wheel and peddles will do just nicely. okay, so now we've got a whole bunch of ancients riding around on unicycles which from what I understand are a bugger to master and I have a mental picture of them all crashing into each other and falling everywhere while cursing the aliens for suggesting it in the first place.

[forgottentales]

Could someone please tell me how we were capable of building a great big Zeppelin with real working engine thes mind you, but we're not capable of building a piddly little bicycle? Althgough we don't really need a bicycle do we, just a seat, a wheel and peddles will do just nicely. okay, so now we've got a whole bunch of ancients riding around on unicycles which from what I understand are a bugger to master and I have a mental picture of them all crashing into each other and falling everywhere while cursing the aliens for suggesting it in the first place.

I'm sure they could build a stationary bicycle to generate electricity,

If you google Pedal-A-Watt the FAQ page explains it. (can't post the link, it's against the rules, right?)

My reference to bicycles was just as a comparison to how much more energy would be created by one human using one than would be created by horses walking in a circle. I never suggested that Alien SHOULD use them, that's all Quel going off into left field and trying to make it look like it was my suggestion.

[Bob137]

Just don't ride drunk, you will get a BUI, (Biking under the influence)! Also don't ride a horse drunk, or get your horse drunk, that would be a an RUI, (riding under the influence). Anyway, they made grog back then, a sort of beer, maybe they were just making beer, so they could party! Yeah, maybe those are just old torn down ancient distilleries, and they got drunk, and accidentally burnt the places down, and nw all is left are these giant stones, some with holes in them, for peep shows, and such!