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"Jesus Never Existed" Website

Postby Laz » Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:29 am

Below is a link to a website called Jesus Never Existed. I don't really know much about the history of the bible era, but some of the statements on this page do seem to bear a pretty strong message. The site is filled with links and links and links.

I would love to hear your thoughts and opinions on it.

http://jesusneverexisted.com/
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Re: "Jesus Never Existed" Website

Postby forgottentales » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:09 am

I've believed the same thing for years. Ever since I was a teen. I see religion as causing much more distress than it has ever been comforting. It is a huge money making proposition and should be taxed as such. As long as logical thinking is suppressed, religions will live on and if there is going to be an end to civilization as we know it, I believe that religion will be behind it so they can prove the Bible right. I could go on and on but don't have the time at the moment.
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Re: "Jesus Never Existed" Website

Postby ThePhiGuy » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:29 am

Well, I haven't been to the site yet, but will do so later on.

However, I will say this; theoretically it's true that nobody named 'Jesus' died on the cross. The name 'Jesus' is a fairly late anglicized translation of the Greek name 'Iesous.' The letter 'J' wasn't even in any known language before around 1400 AD. Nobody named 'Iesous' died on the cross either. Hebrews didn't give their sons Greek names.

The guy the New Testament was written about was named 'Yeshua' which is a name specific to the northern Aramaic dialect that was spoken in Galilee. In the southern district of Judea, the name was pronounced more like 'Yahshoo'. The Galileans used a more guttural 'Yeh' rather than 'Yah' and they also ended names in an 'a' sound if the previous letter was a vowel sound. In English, the name would actually translate out to 'Joshua.'

But absolutely no one can realistically say that "Yeshua never existed" because about one out of every five Hebrew boys was named that (or one of its variations) circa 1st century AD.

Whoever 'Yeshua' of the New Testament was, he did evidently exist according to the Babylonian Talmud which was written by the Jewish priesthood. The Pharisees despised him and called him every derogatory thing they could think of. The things written in Babylonian Talmud seem to be proof that he existed, for it seems to me that the Jewish priesthood would not have made so many hateful remarks if a man named 'Yeshua' had never lived nor began a religious movement that evidently threatened the Pharisee's take on things.

As far as I can tell, the crucifixion did indeed take place. In the Babylonian Talmud, the Jewish priesthood admits they called for Yeshua's crucifixion, are proud of it, and they celebrate the fact that they were the ones responsible for it.

There is to this day a great deal of controversy over what is written in the Talmud. Wikipedia discusses those arguments extensively;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_the_Talmud

Yeshua's story appears to have been immediately absorbed into various Sun god myths that were popular in the day, but that is to be expected and was simply par for the course. Throughout all of known history, anytime any man rose from the crowd, gained popularity and challenged known religious concepts, the priests of the sun god system always had the man killed and from that point on attempted to "absorb" that individual into the myths of any number of dying and resurrecting sun gods. And these same tactics have been used by various Sun god priesthoods since written history began.

The Egyptian legend of Osirus is a clear example of how the Sun god priests operate. Originally Osirus was worshipped in Egypt as a moon god. His religion was actually in competition with the Sun god religion promoted by the Heliopolitain priesthood in Egypt. Osirus was never even associated with the Sun god cult until AFTER he was murdered, at which point the Heliopolitan priesthood "absorbed" him into their religion, and promoted him as a sun god deity from that point on.

The exact same thing happened with the story of Christ. Clearly, Yeshua expected this would happen, because he said that "many will come in my name," and that his followers were not to be deceived by them.

Just like in Egypt, many in Jewish priesthood were Sun god worshippers and a passage found in Ezekiel makes this very clear:

"And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord's house, and behold,, at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the alter, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east." (Ex 8:16)


The priests who demanded that Christ be killed were the very Jews who were taking part in worship the Sun god in the Jewish Temple. Evidently, Sun god worship had been going on for a very long time within the Jewish priesthood. There were sun god worshippers among the Jews that came out of Egypt at the time of the Exodus too.

John the Divine, who wrote the Book of Revelations during the 1st century, evidently already saw various elements of the Sun god system attempting to promote the concept that Christ was just another Sun god. And that's why John the Divine specifically used the numeral '666' to define someone who was an antichrist. By Christian standards, an antichrist is one who attempts to usurp the throne of Christ through deception. '666' was a very well-known number throughout the near and Middle East. It was the sum of all the numbers in the Magic Square of the Sun and back in those days, everybody and their uncle knew the number represented the Sun god.

Magic squares are blocks of numbers that were typically carved into the faces of talismans and amulets by the rich and poor alike throughout the Middle East. If you do a search on "Magic Squares, 666" you'll find plenty of articles on the subject. The practice of Magic Squares was brought into the Middle East from India, and from there they can actually be traced back to the Chinese. Magic Squares were one of the most popular forms of symbolic magic ever used in the Middle East.

Most people seem to think that '666' must refer to the system of numerology or the 'gematria' used by the Greeks and later on by the Hebrews. But that's not the case. The number was famously known and is very specific to the Magic Square of the Sun god which was actually the most popular Magic Square ever used as a talisman.

Typically, every "Jesus never existed" website that I've been to inevitably justifies their position by comparing the New Testament Christ to various known dying and resurrecting Sun gods. But those sites never point out that Yeshua said "many will come in my name" and not to believe them. Furthermore those sites never point out that John the Divine basically called the Sun god the antichrist (one who pretends to be Christ) when he specifically used the numeral '666' to describe an antichrist, because it was famously associated with the Sun god.

So, the "Jesus didn't Exist" sites only present PART of the evidence. I've never seen one of them actually present all the facts.

I don't much like fundamentalist Christianity; it turns me off and in a big way. However, fundamentalist Christianity is based on the dogmas and doctrines established by the Church of Rome. Anybody who has ever studied what the Church of Rome did recognizes them as the Church of Sol Invectus, and that's one of the names they actually went by in antiquity. They didn't try to hide that fact. The Church of Rome took every single myth and story concerning the various Sun gods and wove those stories into their church doctrines about Christ and made them "thee law."

Furthermore, that church killed everybody who disagreed with them and most of the people they killed were not pagans; they were the early Christians who were calling the Church of Rome on their lies and BS.

It was that church that specifically set about with a very violent agenda that intended to portray Christ as a Sun god from the get go. That church made absolutely certain that every single Christian 'holy day' could be traced back to one of the dates cherished by the various sun god cults.

Virtually every "Jesus didn't Exist" site that I've ever read justifies their position by stating that Christ was nothing more than just another myth of still another dying and resurrecting Sun god.

And that's exactly what Christ's enemies intended to make people think.
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Re: "Jesus Never Existed" Website

Postby Ace Rimmer » Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:23 pm

forgottentales wrote:I've believed the same thing for years. Ever since I was a teen. I see religion as causing much more distress than it has ever been comforting. It is a huge money making proposition and should be taxed as such. As long as logical thinking is suppressed, religions will live on and if there is going to be an end to civilization as we know it, I believe that religion will be behind it so they can prove the Bible right. I could go on and on but don't have the time at the moment.

Amen to that Brother. Haha

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Re: "Jesus Never Existed" Website

Postby Moon » Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:01 pm

The Jesus of Christianity probably did exist as there are many archeologists and Biblical archeologists out there who have found a lot to corroborate this. Also, the Jesus of the Bible is also mentioned in many ancient Roman texts at the time of his life, including his trial in front of Pontius Pilate.

So that website makes a few errors or they did not do their homework on the subject.

Now the question about him being divine or other claims is a whole different ballgame.
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Re: "Jesus Never Existed" Website

Postby ThePhiGuy » Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:21 pm

Religion is the root of all evil, the cause of all of our trouble.
Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith. I consider the capacity for it terrifying.


I have to agree. I might like some of the things that the Lamb of God had to say, but I am fundamentally a "heretic" when it comes to organized religion. And I certainly don't believe that "every word in the Bible was inspired by God."

I say, "Which god?" Some of 'em were real creeps.

The Bible was written by priests and scribes and every priest and scribe that ever lived had an agenda. I consider the Bible one of the most manipulated books in all of history.

I think some of it might be true, but If I saw the god of the Old Testament Jews walking down my street, trust me, I'd make sure my doors were locked. Obviously he sure wasn't Mr. "Love thy neighbor as thyself." Ever since I was a little kid, I couldn't figure out why people were worshiping a murderer.

A lot of folks claiming to be Christian evidently lived for murder too. It's just insane.
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Re: "Jesus Never Existed" Website

Postby Coomba98 » Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:39 pm

I must say I agree with Max that Jeebus did exist.

Not sure Max's opinion on his divinity but I believe he was just a Man Jew who wanted to get God out of the Church. Not totally but you know what I mean.
no offence on the Man Jew. he was a man, and a jew! But not divine in my opinion. That came 300 years after he died.

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Re: "Jesus Never Existed" Website

Postby Buzi-Blu » Sat Jan 07, 2012 6:40 am

I'm undecided whether there was a real Jesus, but would tend toward the view that there was. I'm not adding anything new here, just some views. Although it is disturbing that there is so little evidence of Jesus outside of the Bible, it is not particularly surprising. I doubt the real Jesus would have that much impact during his life and it seems John the Baptist was more popular. Often said in AAT circles: there is usually a real event lying at the heart that is the source of the legend.

From what I have read (James Tabor's The Jesus Dynasty was one notable book), it was John the Baptist who was out there first on a mission and it was only after his execution that Jesus (his cousin) had to go it alone. In its day, this was probably no more than an apparently inconsequential cult and only later grew massively into a new religion distinct from Judaism.

One of the books claimed that prophecy predicted a return of two messiahs - one kingly and one priestly - and that 30AD was the absolute deadline. So, John and Jesus set off on their mission to retake control, with John the Priestly Messiah and Jesus as the Kingly one. Jesus' brother - James the Just - seems to have also been a prominent figure and led the church that Jesus had been trying to promote, and it all does seem to be a family affair. Apparently, according to Tabor, the Book of James in the New Testament was written by his brother (not James the apostle) and its teachings are there likely to be closest to the actual teachings of Jesus. http://jesusdynasty.com/

As stated many times before: history is written by the victors, and the victors were not Jesus' family.

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Re: "Jesus Never Existed" Website

Postby Moon » Sat Jan 07, 2012 6:06 pm

Coomba98 wrote:I must say I agree with Max that Jeebus did exist.

Not sure Max's opinion on his divinity but I believe he was just a Man Jew who wanted to get God out of the Church. Not totally but you know what I mean.
no offence on the Man Jew. he was a man, and a jew! But not divine in my opinion. That came 300 years after he died.

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I believe Jesus was a man who was born to a royal family and was a direct descendent of David (I was at church with my Mom and they were reading from the book stating Jesus was descended from David). He had a biological father which may have been Antipater or Joseph, depending on the researcher out there.

I do think he learned a lot in his young life and was trying to change the religious dogma which he grew up in and ruled the Jewish community back then. His ideas of allowing everyone in and teaching of learning the path to harmony got him into much trouble.

Many of the religious thoughts of his origins and life were taken from a variety of other dying resurrecting god stories and became what is known as Christianity today.

Just my opinion. 8)
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Re: "Jesus Never Existed" Website

Postby siren13 » Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:39 am

Reminds me a lot of what Bill Maher talked about in his movie "Riligulous" 8)

And a lot of it I read in other books on religion.
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Re: "Jesus Never Existed" Website

Postby Quelquechosedautre » Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:55 pm

It is utterly ludicrous to suggest that a whole bunch of Stone Age cavemen, looking like Fred Flintstone, having barely grasped the idea of how to erd sheep, should all wake up one bright morning, each literary genius and decide to write astoundingly works of incredible fiction, that have barely ever been superceded, all with close similarities ACROSS THE ENTIRE WORLD and to have done these similar works across the face of the planet at a time when communications with one's own family were patchy at bast, let alone speaking to anyone outside one's own village...

...Yet, this is what Atheist doctrine requires us to believe.

Bill Maher's belief that it is all just a bunch of stupid stories written by literary genius cavemen across the planet with no hope even remotely like "How To Found A Religion For Dummies" shows him to be an utter idiot.
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Re: "Jesus Never Existed" Website

Postby thesaint » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:32 pm

Mercury wrote:The Jesus of Christianity probably did exist as there are many archeologists and Biblical archeologists out there who have found a lot to corroborate this. Also, the Jesus of the Bible is also mentioned in many ancient Roman texts at the time of his life, including his trial in front of Pontius Pilate.

So that website makes a few errors or they did not do their homework on the subject.

Now the question about him being divine or other claims is a whole different ballgame.


Can you provide links to your claims? There have been no archaeological finds that support Jesus ever existed. There are no Roman documents to support this Jesus character. I hope you don't mean Tacitus? If you are talking about biblical finds that means nothing because the bible is like the DA-vinci code they both use real places and facts within their fiction. All mention of Jesus came about years after his supposed death.

The name Yeshu is found in the Baraitha and Tosefta which are supplements to the Talmud written almost 200 years after Jesus supposed death. No where in the Talmud is Jesus or the name yeshu mentioned. Read the Talmud and you will see for yourself.

There were also other so called messiah that got crucified my the Romans during that time.
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Re: "Jesus Never Existed" Website

Postby Moon » Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:48 pm

I have many numerous books on the subject of Jesus being a real man who did live during the time of Christ. There are many good archeology sites devoted to Biblical stories where they have found the places named in the Bible.

I do think just saying Jesus never existed is a highly flawed statement.

I must point out that I am not a Christian, but I do believe the man known as Jesus Christ of the New Testament actually existed. Did he have abilities and was he divine in nature? I do not know the answer to that one.

Here is one site:

http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/

The above link is a very good tool in research in this subject. It does not take any sides, but has archeologists doing research and finding out what really happened back in the day.
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Re: "Jesus Never Existed" Website

Postby thesaint » Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:06 am

Mercury wrote:I have many numerous books on the subject of Jesus being a real man who did live during the time of Christ. There are many good archeology sites devoted to Biblical stories where they have found the places named in the Bible.

I do think just saying Jesus never existed is a highly flawed statement.

I must point out that I am not a Christian, but I do believe the man known as Jesus Christ of the New Testament actually existed. Did he have abilities and was he divine in nature? I do not know the answer to that one.

Here is one site:

http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/

The above link is a very good tool in research in this subject. It does not take any sides, but has archeologists doing research and finding out what really happened back in the day.


I am sure they was someone or even people at back in those times with the name yeshua. There may even have been a cult leader with that name but I don't think they were a superstar figure as the one mentioned in the bible. but I do understand your point and I respect it.
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Re: "Jesus Never Existed" Website

Postby Moon » Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:12 pm

You are very correct on Yeshua being a very common name and for the fact there were many people claiming to be the Messiah. I also think the early Christian Church borrowed heavily from the Pagans, including the dying resurrecting god myths of the time (Osiris, Attis, Dionysus etc). Yeshua's mother Mary becoming a virgin giving birth is also taken from many myths.

So I do understand why many people believe Yeshua in the Bible is made up.

There are many researchers and archeologists doing hard work to sort out the fact of Yeshua the man the the myth Yeshua the god.
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Re: "Jesus Never Existed" Website

Postby Ihatecoverups » Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:54 pm

Well, I don't even know where to start here. First, let me say that I haven't visited this sight nor will I. I think it's utterly ridiculous to say that Jesus of Nazareth, son of Mary and Joseph never existed. We are a people of open-minds right? So, lets look into this. Jesus is mentioned in every Holy Book but the Torah, which only contains the Old Testament. However, even the Jewish people acknowledge that he was a real man. A teacher they refer to him as. Lets exclude the Holy Books right now since they have been translated and mistranslated so many times. However, we cannot ignore them. Here are some facts. For me, there is too much physical and physical documented literature for me to say he never existed. Some facts for example, Jesus is mentioned in many physical documented literary books and scrolls that are found all over the world some dating to the first century that are not Holy, especially in India. This is physical documented evidence not Holy Books. Here is another fact. There are ancient artifacts; pottery, inscriptions on ancient walls and tablets that have been found stating this Man's name, Jesus of Nazareth son of Joseph. Again, some dating to the first century. I mean, would they really make this man up out of "thin air" with a well documented account of his death? I am a very cynical man but there is just too much physical evidence out there for me to believe he never existed. Here are my beliefs and opinions. I believe in one God and Jesus Christ. I believe Jesus was a real man of flesh and blood, just like ass of us. Ancient Astronaut theory and extraterrestrials only makes God greater and larger to me. I use Holy Books as books of history to be interpreted. I try to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ to the best of my ability. Interpreting his parables and living by them as best I can. However, this is very difficult for me due to my past experiences. I am no man like he was and nor will I ever be. My belief is that he was the most Holy and righteous man to ever walk this earth. Truly the "human" closest to God (I believe extraterrestrials know and are closer to God than any human), a teacher of peace, a true martyr who gave his life for a righteous cause, exposing corruption and implicating change as necessity for the better of mankind. I believe he was the most highly developed soul to ever take human form. But I cannot say he was truly "sent" by God and born of a virgin. There are some theories and possible evidence that Jesus had a large family of many brothers, some being his disciples and apostles. Now what happened after the crucifixion is where I will end. I'll leave that up to those who believe that he was a real man to decide. However, I will say one more thing. Like I said in my introduction post, I believe in a soul due to personal unexplained and paranormal experiences that I've had. If there is any man who could reveal himself in a bodily form after death I believe it would be Jesus of Nazareth son of Joseph and Mary. The greatest man to ever walk this Earth!
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Re: "Jesus Never Existed" Website

Postby Justanotherstarchild » Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:44 am

Religion is an addiction, a sickness that infected this planet. You dont need to follow the word of god to be a good person or live a good life, the fact that people think they need the word of god is proof enough to know its just a controlling drug.

The sooner people just accept the fact that you live and die, thats it, nothing else after that the better off people will be.

Its hard to really live when you are living a delusion.
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Re: "Jesus Never Existed" Website

Postby Corcaigh » Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:33 am

I was raised Catholic, but am now an atheist, I think I always was an atheist at heart, I just went along with the Catholic thing because it was essentially forced on me.

I often say "I'm not sure about God, but I definitely don't believe in religion."




thesaint wrote:Can you provide links to your claims? There have been no archaeological finds that support Jesus ever existed. There are no Roman documents to support this Jesus character.


I read something in Focus magazine that stated that the Romans kept meticulous records and there is a record of a trouble maker from Nazareth being crucified under the rule of Pontius Pilate - which very probably is a reference to the biblical Jesus. That doesn't prove his divinity of course, that you take on faith, or not.




Quelquechosedautre wrote:It is utterly ludicrous to suggest that a whole bunch of Stone Age cavemen, looking like Fred Flintstone, having barely grasped the idea of how to erd sheep, should all wake up one bright morning, each literary genius and decide to write astoundingly works of incredible fiction, that have barely ever been superceded, all with close similarities ACROSS THE ENTIRE WORLD and to have done these similar works across the face of the planet at a time when communications with one's own family were patchy at bast, let alone speaking to anyone outside one's own village...


This is true, it's the one point that I like to flaunt in the face of radical Atheists (who IMO are every bit as bad as the Christians they decry) Why would a bunch of people who didn't know each other, live near each other, or even at the same time as each other write such similar tales of a man who lived 2000 years ago?



I have nothing against the ideals of Christianity (as Jesus taught it) whatsoever, it is after all about being nice to each other - and what's wrong with that? However Religion takes those teachings, edits out the bits they don't like and twists what's left to fit in with their own ideals...
(which makes sense in my head!)
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