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Why did God save Noah?

Postby JLauthor » Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:01 am

What do you think is the real reason "God" sent the Flood?
What do you think is the real reason "God" saved Noah's line?
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Re: Why did God save Noah?

Postby deep thought » Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:43 pm

i think the flood was a natural way to rid the planet of undesirables so to speak. the gods created it so they could start over with the experiment/developement of us. much easier to creat a disaster like that than to fly around the world telling all of civilization they are getting too crazy and they have to be punished. wait didnt they already do that, according to some other ancient writing?
they saved noah and his family and im sure a few others because i doubt we got to the state of civilization we are at now with a bunch of incest going on. but they saved him because he was, according to enoch, a child from the heavens. birthed like jesus, but not to a virgin if i understand correctly. and if he had some of the creators dna in him i think he would probably have a better grasp of how things work, so they would want to pass on that genetic trait. basically because he was smarter than the average person.
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Re: Why did God save Noah?

Postby Moon » Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:55 pm

JLauthor wrote:What do you think is the real reason "God" sent the Flood?
What do you think is the real reason "God" saved Noah's line?


The first question to ask is was there really a great flood that covered the whole planet? Geologists respond with a loud no on that one, so the myths are all about local floods which wiped out a small village.

Noah didn't exist as a real person, but is a product of earlier flood myths.
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Re: Why did God save Noah?

Postby deep thought » Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:23 am

Mercury wrote:The first question to ask is was there really a great flood that covered the whole planet? Geologists respond with a loud no on that one, so the myths are all about local floods which wiped out a small village.

Noah didn't exist as a real person, but is a product of earlier flood myths.


i just dont understand myself how the same type of story is all around the world if it just affected small costal areas. especially spread around when there didnt seem to be good way to send information like that on a wide scale. or if it was an interpretation of an earlier myth again how were similar stories shared by the majority of the different cultures around the world. it must have really happened or had a really important impact on those "costal areas" for it to be carried on by so many different peoples.

grabbed from wiki
"It has been postulated that the deluge myth may be based on a sudden rise in sea levels caused by the rapid draining of prehistoric Lake Agassiz at the end of the last Ice Age, about 8,400 years ago"

this makes sense to me because it seemed to be the oldest scientific explanation. and i think a giant frozen prehistoric lake melting would cause enough of a distruption to affect the whole planet. not just costal areas. but again they cant say for sure how long it took. or basically how fast it happened. and scientifically it would have taken quite a bit of time for it to affect everything. and again this is when we were still living in caves..... how did the story get passed around the world?
imagine if antartica comletely melted quickly, not over time. i think that would affect the whole world on a large scale.

and i could understand if noah was just a product of earlier flood myths. do you know of who else we could compare him to in other stories or civilizations of flood myths? gilgamesh for one. but i could also undertand if "god" would want to repeat what "he/they" did before because it worked well. as far as saving him and carrying on a certain moral code or story to pass on.
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Re: Why did God save Noah?

Postby Moon » Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:31 pm

Every human habitat has experienced some type of flooding. If you live near a river, they do tend to flood during the spring when mountain snow and the rains from spring come in.

If you live near the ocean, hurricanes and typhoons cause major flooding from rains and high winds.

If you live in the plains, the spring and winter season bring rains and melting snow. The area is flat, and the land gets saturated causing the area to flood. This can take a few months to recede as the water has no place to go.

This is where all of the flood myths come from. There was no huge rain storm that flooded the planet. The idea of a massive local flood is true, but the idea of one covering the Earth is not.

If anything like that ever did happen, where did all the water go? There is not enough water on this planet to cover it.
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Re: Why did God save Noah?

Postby yerock III stoneman » Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:43 pm

During the end of the last glacial maximum, there was a considerable amount of flooding inland due to the meltdown of ice dams. Ice sheets melted into huge bodies of water, locked in by ice dams. The history of the Mississippi River and the Great Lakes recount this catastrophic period. Early Vedic texts are full of verses possibly describing the same phenomena. And the world sea levels rose by up to 300 feet. We're still experiencing a rise of ocean levels, although at a much, much slower rate.
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Re: Why did God save Noah?

Postby Moon » Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:31 pm

yeroc knameknots wrote:During the end of the last glacial maximum, there was a considerable amount of flooding inland due to the meltdown of ice dams. Ice sheets melted into huge bodies of water, locked in by ice dams. The history of the Mississippi River and the Great Lakes recount this catastrophic period. Early Vedic texts are full of verses possibly describing the same phenomena. And the world sea levels rose by up to 300 feet. We're still experiencing a rise of ocean levels, although at a much, much slower rate.
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The ice cap did take a long time to melt in human terms. I have read many books and authors who suggest it happened over night due to a comet hitting it. I do think they forget how massive the ice cap was and that a comet would not be able to melt the entire ice cap without causing serious damage to our planet.

I do think many of our ancient ancestors experienced terrible flooding in their regions just like we do today. They would tell it as stories to their children as a precautionary tale and add arks and animals being rescued to embellish the tales themselves.
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Re: Why did God save Noah?

Postby yerock III stoneman » Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:25 pm

Hello, Mercury.
The Kankakee Torrent is but one example of a catastrophic flood event uncovered by modern geological surveys. Anyone interested in this topic should google it. Or better yet, go to the Kankakee River State Park. It's dedicated to this flood that literally changed the course of many rivers. It was caused by an ice dam meltdown, and the event took only days.
Similar cataclysmic flooding occurred around the world, during the end of the last glacial maximum.
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Re: Why did God save Noah?

Postby deep thought » Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:51 pm

Mercury wrote:I do think many of our ancient ancestors experienced terrible flooding in their regions just like we do today. They would tell it as stories to their children as a precautionary tale and add arks and animals being rescued to embellish the tales themselves.


again i just dont see how so many different cultures and peoples who lived in different times and different parts of the world would use the story of an ark and of animals and humanity being saved. couldnt they (the storytellers) have came up with a completely new type of story thousands of years later.
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Re: Why did God save Noah?

Postby Moon » Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:36 pm

deep thought wrote:again i just dont see how so many different cultures and peoples who lived in different times and different parts of the world would use the story of an ark and of animals and humanity being saved. couldnt they (the storytellers) have came up with a completely new type of story thousands of years later.


The story of the ark and animals is an Old Testament Bible story. There are no other myths I can recall which feature one man building an ark to save his family and all the animals of the world.

Most flood myths have much of everything destroyed and a few survivors left to rebuild society.

Every place where there were humans had flooding of some type. However, there was no great flood which covered the Earth.
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Re: Why did God save Noah?

Postby yerock III stoneman » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:50 pm

For more info on this subject, go to:
http://www.conservapedia.com/Great_Flood
Especially the table of contents, click: 3 - other ancient references.
Max, are you saying the Kankakee Torrent didn't happen in a matter of days, or are you saying no other similar events occurred elsewhere during the same period that ended the last glacial maximum? Or both. Or neither?
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Re: Why did God save Noah?

Postby deep thought » Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:37 pm

this was the first paragraph of wiki when i googled flood myth


"A flood myth or deluge myth is a symbolic narrative of a great flood sent by a deity or deities to destroy civilization as an act of divine retribution. It is a theme widespread among many cultures, though perhaps the most well known examples in modern times are the biblical and Quranic account of Noah's Ark, the foundational myths of the Quiché and Mayas, through Deucalion in Greek mythology, the story of Utnapishtim in the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Hindu puranic story of Manu. Parallels are often drawn between the flood waters of these myths and the primeval waters found in some creation myths since the flood waters are seen to cleanse humanity in preparation for rebirth. Most flood myths also contain a culture hero who strives to ensure this rebirth."

and this right below it in orgins of flood myths

"Adrienne Mayor's The First Fossil Hunters and Fossil Legends of the First Americans promoted the hypothesis that flood stories were inspired by ancient observations of seashells and fish fossils inland and on mountains. The ancient Greeks, Egyptians, Romans, and Chinese all wrote about finding such remains in these locations, and the Greeks hypothesized that Earth had been covered by water several times, noting seashells and fish fossils found on mountain tops as evidence."

to me if fish fossils were found on mountain tops in abundant numbers, that would be a sign that the earth was covered with water at one point. whether it (a flood or "the" flood) came suddenly is something i think we still have to figure out. i believe im not alone when i say i dont trust 100% of what "scholars" say happened as far as anything. until every single researcher in a particular field can 100% agree on how something happened without those few throwing out a random confounded theory, i personally cant accept it.
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Re: Why did God save Noah?

Postby Moon » Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:17 pm

People always bring up the idea that there must of been a flood because there are fish fossils found on the top of mountains. What they fail to grasp is most of the mountain systems out there are rather young when it comes to geological terms of time.

First, fish are over 500 million years old as a species along with other marine life. Many people bring up the Himalayan Mountains and the fish fossils found there. The reality is the Himalayan Mountains are among the youngest mountain systems on Earth and started forming 70 million years ago. That means for 430 million of those years there was plenty of time for a fish or two to become fossilized in that range.

The same goes for the Rockies and other mountain systems.

The question does remain as to where all the water would of gone when it comes to flooding the entire planet.
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Re: Why did God save Noah?

Postby deep thought » Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:37 pm

grabbed this from all about creation . org
please dont think im lazy either i would just rather not spend 20 minutes rewriting someone else work in other words when this does a good enough job

"Why are there so many fossil fish?

Of the billions and billions of fossils that are buried just beneath the Earth’s surface, the vast majority are fossil fish. American geologist Dr. John Morris estimates that as much as “95% of all fossils are marine invertebrates, particularly shellfish”1. These fossil fish are found buried atop the highest mountain ranges on the planet. How did they get up there and why are there so many fossil fish?

There are two opposing perspectives on this: traditional catastrophism and neocatastrophism. Both perspectives derive their discrepant conclusions largely from the same body of evidence which they interpret differently.

Traditional catastrophism says that the Earth has been inundated by a catastrophic deluge sometime in the not too distant past, during and after which billions of organisms were buried in sediments whereby their remains were fossilized. During such a cataclysm, many land animals would float and rot while more marine life settled out with the sediments. This would ensure the preservation of much more marine life in the fossil record.

Neocatastrophism says that different parts of the planet have been submerged and uplifted over the ages. The mountains of today were once submerged and have since uplifted above sea level. This would explain why marine fossils are found atop high-elevation mountain ranges. The abundance of marine fossils in general is explained by the fact that land animals are much more likely to rot or be scavenged than buried in sedimentation while marine life has a better chance of being buried in water-born sediments.

Neocatastrophism is currently the more popular of the two competing perspectives, but that is not to say that traditional catastrophism does not enjoy acceptance by accredited scientists. There is strong evidence in support of a global deluge, like the hundreds of indigenous flood traditions all over the world which purport to document such an event."

as for where did all the water go? have you ever left out a glass of water for a couple days? it eventually evaporates. add some wind, sun and other elements that make it a challenge for water to survive around the world and viola= balance
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Re: Why did God save Noah?

Postby Moon » Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:18 pm

Water evaporates into the are and becomes water vapor. It does not disappear or go away, it is still water in another form. The water vapor forms rain clouds which distributes the water back to the Earth in the form of rain or snow.

I do think there is intelligent design in how the Earth was created, however, I do not embrace Christian and Biblical Creationism as it does not even attempt to look at the actual science out there.


Sorry, but evaporation as an explanation to Noah's alleged flood waters does not hold water so to speak. (Sorry, pun intended.)
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Re: Why did God save Noah?

Postby deep thought » Thu Mar 15, 2012 5:38 pm

evaporation was only a small part of the bigger picture. i didnt mean for it to be taken as "poof" it just disappers. when it rains it is used by plants and goes into the soil, used by the plant and probably the actual soil. and turns to snow and ice (which are both compact forms of water). it doesnt all just go back into the ocean.
lets go back to wiki for sea level changes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_se ... _sea_level

"The sedimentary record
Sedimentary deposits follow cyclic patterns. Prevailing theories hold that this cyclicity primarily represents the response of depositional processes to the rise and fall of sea level. The rock record indicates that in earlier eras, sea level was both much lower than today and much higher than today. Such anomalies often appear worldwide. For instance, during the depths of the last ice age 18,000 years ago when hundreds of thousands of cubic miles of ice were stacked up on the continents as glaciers, sea level was 120 metres (390 ft) lower, locations that today support coral reefs were left high and dry, and coastlines were miles farther outward.
For the past 6,000 years, the world's sea level gradually approached the current level. During the previous interglacial about 120,000 years ago, sea level was for a short time about 6 metres (20 ft) higher than today, as evidenced by wave-cut notches along cliffs in the Bahamas. There are also Pleistocene coral reefs left stranded about 3 metres above today's sea level along the southwestern coastline of West Caicos Island in the West Indies. These once-submerged reefs and nearby paleo-beach deposits indicate that sea level spent enough time at that higher level to allow reefs to grow (exactly where this extra sea water came from—Antarctica or Greenland—has not yet been determined)."

so i also wanted to point out i do not believe in noah or any type of religion for that matter. i was just trying to point out the scientific evidence that would make that story "believable". most people in the world were more ready to listen to a story about a flood and animals and a hero, than to have a discussion of fish fossils on mountains and water life cycle during a time that they didnt even know what those things were/are.
i also think we strayed a bit from the original ?'s. and its alot more fun to debate rather than dismiss it as biblical rubbish
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Re: Why did God save Noah?

Postby Kristine » Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:55 pm

So when I read the topic, Why did god save Noah? I laughed out loud, I have in my daily dealings with humanity asked the same question. After I logged on however, and read in what context the question was asked, I became slightly disapointed. But, I will go ahead and give my thoughts (since I believe thats why we are here:).

So I think it was God's plan to dupe Noah in to building the boat, loading the animals, and getting all off well and happy. Then at some point God was going to create fun and adventureous accidents on the boat for Noah, his wife and children, (you know, sort of a final destination type thing) but.....with ordering the cosmos, cyclical planitary alingments and that sort, he forgot about Noah and his half breed family who by this time had reached dry land and started anew.

So to sum it up, we started out as a science experiment gone terribly wrong, and have continued on only because God got busy with the important stuff. Kinda cynical isn't it.

Now don't anyone get all defensive, it is supposed to be a little bit of a joke, that may also have a slight underlayment of truth:)
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Re: Why did God save Noah?

Postby polaris » Thu May 03, 2012 1:27 pm

JLauthor wrote:What do you think is the real reason "God" sent the Flood?
What do you think is the real reason "God" saved Noah's line?

"The gods" are people from another planet. They did not send the flood. They knew it was coming (to the day/minute/second)...it was and is predictable.

In order to answer your second question, some context...
The initial plan, for this Age, was to begin with four races.
Sumerian script infers that Enki wanted the Age to begin with five. He hatched his plot...for his own selfish reasons - I can sympathize...

The consensus of Enki's contemporaries was for the Sumerian Race to be wiped out - for reasons already well known - when one of "their blood" survived - they couldn't murder him - so five races for this Age was set in motion - and all effort was made to ensure its survivability...

Geologists are your best supporters y3s!!! The event that wiped out all the giant animals of North America circa 12,000 BC could very well have been the 'domino' that triggered a global flood (I lean towards that view) There are also those torrent marks in the northwestern USA, evidence of giant whirlpools just like those south of the Great Lakes. The Grand Canyon was carved out with vast quantities of flowing water! It is mv that 120 shar after Nibiru's perihelion there is a dense part of the asteroid belt that impacts the northern hemisphere..

Noah's flood had to be one of the 'regional dominos' a flood/tsunami of the Persian Gulf, consensus has it happening between 9000 - 8000 years ago (~6169 BC is my date). So clearly two different inundations. Many theorize there was a block of an Antarctic ice sheet that fell into the Indian ocean, the resultant tsunami travelled up the east coast of Africa and into the gulf.
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Re: Why did God save Noah?

Postby Ace Rimmer » Thu May 03, 2012 3:58 pm

Well somebody had to steer the Ark!
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Re: Why did God save Noah?

Postby polaris » Wed May 09, 2012 12:14 pm

It would also have inundated the Indus Valley and that population... were they given the courtesy of a forewarning???

There was an article recently that Noah's ark was actually a submersible, presumably to withstand the initial onslaught of water...and the 40 days it took for the iceberg to stop bobbing.
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Re: Why did God save Noah?

Postby deep thought » Sun May 20, 2012 5:02 am

polaris wrote:There was an article recently that Noah's ark was actually a submersible, presumably to withstand the initial onslaught of water...and the 40 days it took for the iceberg to stop bobbing.

i think this is possible. noah having a sub of some type. some of the oldest species on this planet are water living creatures. the best way to survive a flood is to be under it, right? or maybe above it?
my theory for why it rained for 40 days and nights. grab your seats for this one. the "gods", e.t., the ones with the giant spaceships heated some of the ice caps to speed the process up. to make it more comfortable and easier for us to advance as civilization. to travel and develop. so imagine the steam that would be created by such a process. to me that would logically explain a global flash flood (or waters rising very quickly) and rain for 40 days and nights straight.
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Re: Why did God save Noah?

Postby polaris » Sun May 20, 2012 9:22 am

I am no sailor, so if it is was a hugh wave (tsunami) one's vessel would have to do both? under and on top?
The melting of ice sheets is the source of the water that raised sea level, I can agree with you there.
The mechanism behind the melting is another matter - I'll stick with a severe meteor shower hitting the northern hemisphere's ice sheets - Berrorsus did write about the timing of it and the Mayans would have had codices that tracked that particular asteroid field.

I am still of the view that they are two distinct events...120 shar after Nibiru's perihelion...
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Re: Why did God save Noah?

Postby deep thought » Sun May 20, 2012 12:22 pm

polaris wrote:I am no sailor, so if it is was a hugh wave (tsunami) one's vessel would have to do both? under and on top?
The melting of ice sheets is the source of the water that raised sea level, I can agree with you there.
The mechanism behind the melting is another matter - I'll stick with a severe meteor shower hitting the northern hemisphere's ice sheets - Berrorsus did write about the timing of it and the Mayans would have had codices that tracked that particular asteroid field.

I am still of the view that they are two distinct events...120 shar after Nibiru's perihelion...


much more plausible for a meteor to hit an ice cap or sheet than et's going around. valid point. funny how a small sentence or point can change a veiw of things.
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Re: Why did God save Noah?

Postby racrou3 » Mon May 28, 2012 7:38 pm

Recently I was reading the '12th planet' and 'cosmic code' and there was a mention that Noah was more intelligent than other people and that he probably governed a city well and thats why he was chosen, but that didnt ring correct from my bible school days, so I went back to Genesis and read the story again. This time I was struck with the lineage of Noah. He was the 'first born son of a first born son' back to Seth who was the default first born son of Adam after Cain (1st born) was thrown out of the presence of God because he killed Abel (2nd born who died without offspring.) Noah had the most pure and direct bloodline back to Adam, so i think he was saved because then God didnt have recreate man, just start over with the closest form of Adam. Where did all the water go? Ive always heard it dispersed over the earth or back to the 'underground vaults' where it came from.
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Re: Why did God save Noah?

Postby polaris » Tue May 29, 2012 8:15 am

Indeed the puzzle pieces seem to fit...
Enki chose wisely, probably because of 'their rules" of engagement. If one survives.. and Noah was one of them or at least of mixed blood...

Not sure if there are underground water vaults...I favour the analogy of 'tempest in a teapot' idea. As the teapot starts to get full, any disturbance would adversely affect coastal regions, like vast river deltas like the Tigris' 'Eden'. And a large ice sheet slipping into 'the tea', the resultant tsunami would have devestated the Persian Gulf coast.

The scenario then begs the questions, just how big is our 'teapot'? how much land would remain if there were no ice caps! Any little disturbance like ocean floor earthquakes would result in destructive tsunamis like we've recently seen in Ache, Philippines!
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Re: Why did God save Noah?

Postby phoenix » Thu May 31, 2012 11:33 pm

The great flood

What was the great flood from the Bible all about? What actually happened and what caused it? None of the ancient texts actually offers us any real explanation what was causing the flood, but surprisingly many gives away quite a few details on what was happening shortly before, during and after the flood. I want to share this information with you. Hopefully some of you will find it interesting. I have therefore collected those details from a lot of different sources and pieced them together and presented them in the end of this post for you to read.

Theories

Many people believes that the great flood could have been caused by a large meteor hitting the earth, or perhaps some large earthquakes. It has also been speculated that the great flood could have been triggered by a close passing by the unknown planet Niburu like Sitchin claims. Others have speculated that the great flood was caused by sudden global warming who melted the worlds glaciers and poles. Yet other theories claims that the great flood was caused by a pole shift or a sudden change in the earth’s rotation and/or axial tilt. Some people also doubt the entire flood story.

The warning period of 120 years

Even though we are still left to speculate what was actually causing this flood, it is a fact that the alien colonists and the general population knew about the upcoming catastrophe a long time before it actually took place. We know that for a fact because the alien colonist’s themselves warned mankind of the catastrophe 120 years in advance. We can read about this warning in the book of Jasher and several other texts as follows:

“And after the lapse of many years, in the four hundred and eightieth year of the life of Noah, when all those men, who followed the Lord had died away from amongst the sons of men, and only Methuselah was then left, God said unto Noah and Methuselah, saying, speak ye, and proclaim to the sons of men, saying, Thus saith the Lord, return from your evil ways and forsake your works, and the Lord will repent of the evil that he declared to do to you, so that it shall not come to pass. For thus saith the Lord, Behold I give you a period of one hundred and twenty years; if you will turn to me and forsake your evil ways, then will I also turn away from the evil which I told you, and it shall not exist, saith the Lord.”

Reading the warning from the above text , one is thus led to believe that the alien colonists somehow was capable of preventing this catastrophe if they wanted. This leads us to believe that it was either the aliens who used their technology to manipulate the earth’s rotation and/or axial tilt , making this catastrophe to happen, or they knew about a meteor that was on collision course with earth , and was capable of preventing it from hitting if they really wanted.

Earth’s tilt

Many aa-theorist’s believes that the earth contained a great (some sort) of super continent before the great flood.
When the aliens manipulated the earth’s rotation and/or “did” something to the earth to give it an axial tilt of about 23.5 degrees, this super continent was split into several other continent and eventually started to drift apart from each other.

The bible tells us that there was no rain on earth before the great flood occurred , and that the earth was watered from the mist from large volcanic activity and hot springs. The Bible also tells us that the rainbow occurred for the first time after the great flood. All this leads us to believe that the aliens “did” something to the earth in these days that kick started the never ending circle of weather . Thus i conclude that it was not a meteor that hit the earth and triggered this flood, but rather that it was the alien colonists who did “something” to the earth to cause all this things to happen.

Destroying the demons , the giants and the monsters

Because of the mixing between the aliens and various human races, and the wide scale experimenting that the watchers performed on both animals and human beings in the last hundreds of years before the flood, all originally animals and man slowly corrupted its way genetically. At the time before the flood, ancient texts learns us that the majority of animals and man was either giants, monsters or some kind of freaks. The original animal species and the various human races (as created after the original alien plans) was about to be exterminated. The situation was critical and diseases was a serious problem . Most animals were therefore unfit for food . These animals were later called unclean. We can still read about the critical situation that existed in these days in several ancient texts. It was first after the great flood that the aliens granted man animal meat for food again.

I believe the alien’s plan to introduce and start the circle of weather in these days was a part of a greater plan from way back in time. Even though the starting of the circle of weather clearly was the aliens main goal in this case , old texts clearly indicates that the aliens also used this opportunity to destroy most of the monsters and giants that had corrupted earth. If they all lived in the same super continent , the flood didn’t have to be worldwide. According to some old texts , as much as 400000 giants alone died in the catastrophe. If the earth started to tilt in these days, the masses of water in the sea would move accordingly , creating gigantic tidal waves.
If the great flood was local, there would have been no need for Noah to build an ark. It would have been easier for the aliens to evacuate the ones that they wanted to save.

I also find it hard to believe that the aliens instructed man to built a boat in order to save the clean animals and the new race of man that was to start a new civilizzation. It would have been a lot more easier for the aliens to save the animals and those people who was to be rescued from the flood onboard their spaceship(s).

The new race

Before the great flood occurred the alien colonists had been busy preparing a new human race and a new generation of clean animals to restart civilization and get back to normal again. This human race eventually became the seventh and final race that these aliens created before they left earth. The new race differed little from the former, but the lifespan was reduced significantly to an average of about 70 years. The physical size was reduced as well. Most ancient texts seems to agree that the aliens only saved Noah , his sons and their wives as well as the new generations of clean animals from the flood. I find this hard to believe. The real number of persons that the alien saved from the flood was probably around 5000. The descendants of Shem (300 men) + The descendants of Japheth (460 men) + The descendants of Ham (730 men) = A total of 1490 men + woman and children = Probably a total of about 5000 people as the book of Jasher states.

A summary of all that is written about the great flood

So here it is. It is about all the most important written descriptions of this great flood I have been able to find from a lot of various sources. I have selected them all here and separated them into three categories (Before the flood, during the flood and after the flood) . I have also made some comments on them. Hopefully others can comment upon them as well.

Before the flood:

“Even after God had resolved upon the destruction of the sinners, He still permitted His mercy to prevail, in that He sent Noah unto them, who exhorted them for one hundred and twenty years to amend their ways, always holding the flood over them as a threat. As for them, they but derided him. When they saw him occupying himself with the building of the ark, they asked, "Wherefore this ark?" Noah: "God will bring a flood upon you."The sinners: "What sort of flood? If He sends a fire flood, against that we know how to protect ourselves. If it is a flood of waters, then, if the waters bubble up from the earth, we will cover them with iron rods, and if they descend from above, we know a remedy against that, too."Noah: "The waters will ooze out from under your feet, and you will not be able to ward them off."

According to this texts , the flood was not caused by rain alone. The water was also likewise oozing out from the ground.

“Before the birth of Noah, the sea was in the habit of transgressing its bounds twice daily, morning and evening, and flooding the land up to the graves. After his birth it kept within its confines.”

Reading this text, one could be led to believe that there was some sort of change in the gravity from the moon. It is however not unusual that high tide occurs twice a day certain places. But if the earth’s axes suddenly tilted , a change in the tide like this could perhaps occur.

“The famine that afflicted the world in the time of Lamech, the second of the ten great famines appointed to come upon it, ceased its ravages with the birth of Noah.”

Could this text indicate that there was a change in the weather in these days. Perhaps this was the time rain eventually began to fall on earth?

“Noah had scarcely come into the world when a marked change was noticeable. Since the curse brought upon the earth by the sin of Adam, it happened that wheat being sown, yet oats would sprout and grow. This ceased with the appearance of Noah: the earth bore the products planted in it.”

It was at the time of Noah that the alien colonists taught mankind the knowledge of plowing and cultivating the earth properly. It seems that this , including the introduction of rain is perhaps the reason for the better crops.

“And in those days Noah saw the earth that it had sunk down and its destruction was nigh. . And he arose from thence and went to the ends of the earth, and cried aloud to his grandfather Enoch: and Noah said three times with an embittered voice: Hear me, hear me, hear me.' And I said unto him: ' Tell me what it is that is falling out on the earth that the earth is in such evil plight and shaken, lest perchance I shall perish with it ? '. And thereupon there was a great commotion , on the earth, and a voice was heard from heaven, and I fell on my face. And Enoch my grandfather came and stood by me, and said unto me: ' Why hast thou cried unto me with a bitter cry and weeping? And a command has gone forth from the presence of the Lord concerning those who dwell on the earth that their ruin is accomplished because they have learnt all the secrets of the angels, and all the violence of the Satans, and all their powers -the most secret ones- and all the power of those who practice sorcery, and the power of witchcraft, and the power of those who make molten images for the whole earth: And how silver is produced from the dust of the earth, and how soft metal originates in the earth.. For lead and tin are not produced from the earth like the first: it is a fountain that produces them, and an angel stands therein, and that angel is pre-eminent.'. And after that my grandfather Enoch took hold of me by my hand and raised me up, and said unto me: ' Go, for I have asked the Lord of Spirits as touching this commotion on the earth. . And He said unto me: " Because of their unrighteousness their judgement has been determined upon and shall not be withheld by Me for ever. Because of the sorceries which they have searched out and learnt, the earth and those who dwell upon it shall be destroyed." . And these-they have no place of repentance for ever, because they have shown them what was hidden, and they are the damned: but as for thee, my son, the Lord of Spirits knows that thou art pure, and guiltless of this reproach concerning the secrets.”

“Enoch answered, and said: "The Lord will do a new thing in the earth. There will come a great destruction on the earth, and a deluge for one year.”

It seems like there was something happening to the earth before the great flood appeared. Something was falling from the sky and the earth was shaking. What does it mean that the Lord will do a new thing in the earth?

“Partly they persisted in their obduracy of heart because Noah had made known to them that the flood would not descend so long as the pious Methuselah sojourned among them. The period of one hundred and twenty years which God had appointed as the term of their probation having expired, Methuselah died, but out of regard for the memory of this pious man God gave them another week's respite, the week of mourning for him. During this time of grace, the laws of nature were suspended, the sun rose in the west and set in the east. To the sinners God gave the dainties that await man in the future world, for the purpose of showing them what they were forfeiting. But all this proved unavailing, and, Methuselah and the other pious men of the generation having departed this life, God brought the deluge upon the earth.”

The laws of nature were suspended, and the sun rose in the west and set in the east. Could this have been caused by a pole shift or/and the earth starting to tilt?

During the flood:

"When God gave the signal, and it began to rain, the water poured down forty entire days, till it became fifteen cubits higher (7 – 8 meters) than most of the highest mountains on the earth."

“The crowd of sinners tried to take the entrance to the ark by storm, but the wild beasts keeping watch around the ark set upon them, and many were slain, while the rest escaped, only to meet death in the waters of the flood. The water alone could not have made an end of them, for they were giants in stature and strength. When Noah threatened them with the scourge of God, they would make reply: "If the waters of the flood come from above, they will never reach up to our necks; and if they come from below, the soles of our feet are large enough to dam up the springs." But God bade each drop pass through Gehenna before it fell to earth, and the hot rain scalded the skin of the sinners. The punishment that overtook them was befitting their crime. As their sensual desires had made them hot, and inflamed them to immoral excesses, so they were chastised by means of heated water.”

From this text we learn that the rain that was falling or that oozed out of the ground was heated. That would probably be caused by volcanic activity?

“The flood was produced by a union of the male waters, which are above the firmament, and the female waters issuing from the earth. The upper waters rushed through the space left when God removed two stars out of the constellation Pleiades. Afterward, to put a stop to the flood, God had to transfer two stars from the constellation of the Bear to the constellation of the Pleiades. That is why the Bear runs after the Pleiades. She wants her two children back, but they will be restored to her only in the future world.There were other changes among the celestial spheres during the year of the flood. All the time it lasted, the sun and the moon shed no light, whence Noah was called by his name, "the resting one," for in his life the sun and the moon rested. The ark was illuminated by a precious stone, the light of which was more brilliant by night than by day, so enabling Noah to distinguish between day and night.”

This text seems to indicate that some sort of cosmic cataclysm occurred at that time. We also learn that the sun did not shed any light for a whole year. Also notice that Noah was given some sort of lamp which he brought with him in the ark to distinguish between day and night.

“the Lord caused the whole earth to shake, and the sun darkened, and the foundations of the world raged, and the whole earth was moved violently, and the lightning flashed, and the thunder roared, and all the fountains in the earth were broken up, such as was not known to the inhabitants before.”

According to this statement the whole earth was moving violently. It must have been a pretty devastating catastrophe. What was going on?

“ The duration of the flood was a whole year. It began on the seventeenth day of Heshwan, and the rain continued for forty days, until the twenty-seventh of Kislew. The punishment corresponded to the crime of the sinful generation. They had led immoral lives, and begotten bastard children, whose embryonic state lasts forty days. From the twenty seventh of Kislew until the first of Siwan, a period of one hundred and fifty days, the water stood at one and the same height, fifteen ells above the earth. During that time all the wicked were destroyed, each one receiving the punishment due to him”

This text is interesting, because it somehow indicates that the giant’s (the bastard children) embryonic state lasted for only 40 days. What does this mean? Does it mean that those giants grew so rapid in the womb that they were fully developed babes after only 40 days?

“But those waters shall in those days serve for the kings and the mighty and the exalted, and those who dwell on the earth, for the healing of the body, but for the punishment of the spirit; now their spirit is full of lust, that they may be punished in their body, for they have denied the Lord of Spirits and see their punishment daily, and yet believe not in His name.. And in proportion as the burning of their bodies becomes severe, a corresponding change shall take place in their spirit for ever and ever; for before the Lord of Spirits none shall utter an idle word. For the judgement shall come upon them, because they believe in the lust of their body and deny the Spirit of the Lord. And those same waters will undergo a change in those days; for when those angels are punished in these waters, these water-springs shall change their temperature, and when the angels ascend, this water of the springs shall change and become cold. And I heard Michael answering and saying: ' This judgement wherewith the angels are judged is a testimony for the kings and the mighty who possess the earth.' Because these waters of judgement minister to the healing of the body of the kings and the lust of their body; therefore they will not see and will not believe that those waters will change and become a fire which burns for ever.”

According to this text hot springs would undergo a change in these days and become cold. What could that mean. Could that mean that the earths core was cooling down?

And when Noah and his sons had gone into the Ark, and his wife and the wives of his sons, on the seventeenth day of the month of Îyâr (May), at sunset, the door of the Ark was shut fast, and Noah and his sons in captivity in the darkness. And as soon as the door of the Ark was shut, the floodgates of the heavens were opened, and the foundations of the earth were rent asunder, and Ocean, that great sea which surroundeth the whole world, poured forth its floods. And whilst the floodgates of heaven were open, and the foundations of the earth were rent asunder, the storehouses of the winds burst their bolts, and storm and whirlwinds swept forth, and Ocean roared and hurled its floods upon the earth.”

After the flood:

“I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud: And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth.”

“The importance of the Temple appeared at once, for the torrential rains which annually since the deluge had fallen for forty days beginning with the month of Marheshwan, for the first time failed to come, and thenceforward appeared no more.”

This last statement means that this annual 40 days of flooding started in year 1656 and ended around 3050 . A total of about 1400 years. What could be the reason that this annual flooding or rain season stopped so suddenly? Surely there must have been some major changes in the weather taking place in these times?

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