AA: The Mystery of Puma Punku (March 16, 2012)

[Moon]

This is what I want to see more of: A whole episode dedicated to one subject. Puma Punku gets much attention from the theorists, and now we get to see why.

[Ace Rimmer]

Alrighty, let's hope somebody comes up with some new ideas. I seem to remember some comment Giorgio made in regards to Puma Punku. Maybe somebody else can remember or find it, perhaps it was on Facebook, I don't go there.
Anyway something about blowing his or our socks off, a new way of looking at the construction techniques.

[Moon]

Alrighty, let's hope somebody comes up with some new ideas. I seem to remember some comment Giorgio made in regards to Puma Punku. Maybe somebody else can remember or find it, perhaps it was on Facebook, I don't go there.
Anyway something about blowing his or our socks off, a new way of looking at the construction techniques.

It is bound to be better than the usual segment which drags us in. It starts to get interesting and then the commercial break only to start another segment elsewhere.

It is time to actually use the program for education rather than the doom and gloom ratings grabbers.

[greekben]

I'm looking VERY forward to this one too!!

[hollow27]

Couldn't agree more, I'm really happy to see a whole show dedicated to this. Just saw the preview too, looks like really in depth analysis with examples of modern machining.

[Ace Rimmer]

Alrighty, let's hope somebody comes up with some new ideas. I seem to remember some comment Giorgio made in regards to Puma Punku. Maybe somebody else can remember or find it, perhaps it was on Facebook, I don't go there.
Anyway something about blowing his or our socks off, a new way of looking at the construction techniques.

It is bound to be better than the usual segment which drags us in. It starts to get interesting and then the commercial break only to start another segment elsewhere.

It is time to actually use the program for education rather than the doom and gloom ratings grabbers.

I am getting so weary of all the doom and gloom crappola as well.

Tomorrow is the big day. This is what is so exciting!

This is what GT posted on January 15th on Facebook.

"Had a REVELATORY day at Danville Metal Stamping IL w/ Chris Dunn & Paul Francis shooting AA4... MANY Eureka moments... My inescapable conclusions? The blocks at Puma Punku were NOT cut with laser nor plasma tools... I've also learned that the H Blocks do not come in the dimensions we thought they came in... They are NOT (!) pre-fabricated blocks (an opinion I've maintained for years which I now have to jettison and revise). Today, I've had to MASSIVELY RECALIBRATE my views on how Puma Punku came into existence... The mystery has INCREASED by a factor of ten. I am still grappling with what I've learned today and I'm struggling to put all the new pieces of evidence into a coherent order. Off to the Bouzoukia!"

[Sagittarii]

I just saw that this is coming on at 10pm...ahh I can't wait Puma Punku is one of my favorite places. I love anything about ancient stonework because to me its the subject that screams ALIENS!!! I just need to slow down on the Bud Lights or I'm not going to make it!

[Ihatecoverups]

The mystery of Puma Punku is definitely a mystery indeed; and still one that no one can find the answer to. In the Andes Mountains of Bolivia built of granite and dierite is truly magnificent. Stones 25ft. high and weighing hundreds of tons with precision cuts and holes, that are perfectly smooth and perfect right angles is astonishing. How were these stones cut? All the research they did was pretty inconclusive about how these stones were cut. In my opinion it most definably points towards advanced technology and power tools. I think the theory that Puma Punku was built somewhere around 15,000 BC is very intriguing. The H-Blocks are amazing. Thy're all the same and so precise. Someone said that the H-Blocks were used as dovetails to hold the blocks together, mount hinges to a magnificent "something." The theory I found more interesting was the one by Paul Francis, stating that they were a launching pad of ramp of some sort. The fact that they were 12,800ft. high in the mountains; and no tress were around to cut down to use as wooden rollers is an interesting theory as well. I definitely think there was some sort of sound technology or anti-gravity technology used. We use anti-gravity today on high speed trains. Could this be old technology we just rediscovered? I believe as many on the episode said that was said, that Puma Punku was built by ET's and was destroyed by them after they left. A King said it was built in one night by giants after a great flood. Why wouldn't a king take credit for something that he did? Could that flood have been caused be the "God" Viracocha, the great creator "God?" Tiahuanaco is very different, and was said to be built by man somewhere around 1000 AD, as a temple or tribute site to show loyalty to celebrate the Sky Gods, and that they understood what happened at Puma Punku. There are two different building styles here. I agree with this theory. Puma Punku being not explainable and Tiahuanaco being built by humans. I think the head stones of Tiahuanaco are very cool, depicting races of all mankind on Earth and even some that could be argued that look like "grays!" The statue of Viracocha looked very different then the others; showing him with a beard and mustache. Could he really be an Anumati, or a Sumerian? Something I was not aware of was the Fuente Magna Bowl; held at the Precious Medals Museum that was found near Tiahuanaco, that has Sumerian Cuneiform and Proto-Sumerian Hieroglyph scripts that directly links Ancient Sumerians, Tiahuanaco, and Puma Punku. Now that's awesome! The Megalith "Gateway of the Sun" I agree was a leading temple entrance to Puma Punku. Viracocha in the middle surrounded by about 50 winged beings on it in reference to a calendar referring to a time as far back as 27,000 BC is an interesting theory. However, there was no sort of explanation behind that theory. I wish they touched on that a little more. So was Puma Punku an outpost or base camp for ET's? I cant say. Like they said on the episode it now looks like a junk yard. I do think ET's built it though. How it was destroyed, I don't think we will ever know. It could have been a meteor, followed by a flood. It could have been Viracocha. Or, maybe the ET's who I believe created it destroyed it on purpose, when their work was finished on Earth at the time. However, I can say that the people who built Tiahuanaco witnessed something spectacular and extraordinary.

[mobious13]

Great episode last nite, the segment on the h-blocks being rails for a launch vehicle was pretty insightful. I would also speculate that the shapes cut into the stone were used to place some type of machinery, which was powered by the stone itself and those "metal clamps" as conductors to channel energy across the entire structure.

[Ace Rimmer]

It was a great episode and gives me so much more to think about.

I tend to think Christopher Dunn is on the right track with the H blocks being used as hinges.

I have problems with the theory that Ancient Aliens needed to launch planes on rails, I would think their technology was so advanced that they didn't have to launch planes in such a primitive manner. But who knows I am no expert on that subject!

I do believe Puma Punku was built by Aliens as a base camp. They used extremely advanced technology to build it. (Legends claim over night) They destroyed it themselves when they left.

They were doing something there, perhaps Puma Punku was a factory, what could they have been making, what other natural resources are right there? Is the rock Puma Punku was built with only found in that part of the world?

Was it an Alien outpost ? The first stop on the planet or the last place before they left ?

So many questions ?!? Whoever built it had technology so advanced we are still stumped. I think the fact that such building techniques are only found in this one place on the Earth is very telling in it's own right. If we humans had reached such a level of advanced building methods, I would think we would see this other places in the world.

I think they destroyed it themselves because they didn't want whatever they were doing there to fall into the wrong hands or have the place used by other Aliens. Ok I've jumped the shark now I might as well go all the way!
If there were Alien battles going on, you don't want to leave your "fort" or "factory" or "headquarters" for your enemy to use.

I do agree that Puma Punku is the single most interesting and mysterious place on Earth.

Is there any evidence any where there on any of the blocks of scorching? if not, it could have been blown apart with sonic weapons. One of the gentlemen was pointing out how you can find very small fragments of the blocks all over the place, an earthquake wouldn't do that, it certainly suggest to me that it was indeed blown apart by something extremely powerful.

Has any radiation ever been detected there? not that I have ever read. I am sure that has been checked out by now by somebody.

[Moon]

I really liked this episode and I am glad it had Christopher Dunn doing his work on it. I wonder if it is possible to date the buried parts of the monuments by dating the soil around them. This could give an approximate idea of when the disaster occurred.

I thought the model of the ship did look kick ass as Giorgio said, but using it for that purpose appears flawed. One of the things researchers have pointed out is there is no heat source or burn marks near or on the monument. Using it for jets and rockets would of caused immense burns on the stone.

I also think it is too primitive a method extraterrestrials would of used to get around here.

I like Christopher Dunn's image of the immensely large gate. What could of it housed? Many more questions are asked on this part, and that is a good thing.

This is how to do an episode of this show.

[Scottos Maximos]

I enjoyed this episode and was amused by another lookalikey!!
I would have liked to have seen some more modelling of the site and thoughts of what it could have looked like and what it could have been used for.
I'm also interested in what is happening to it currently? Are they continuing the archaeological digs there?

The Sunken palace was also interesting with all the faces, then the solitary white ones which look like greys (or Girgio with no hair! n

I did think 'dovetails' as soon as I he mentioned the different sides of them so think that the hinges are possibly more accurate than a launch station as I believe if 'ancient aliens' did come down they wouldn't need a launch ramp.

I would have also liked to have seen the evidence for it being blown apart or scorching as isn't there a desert somewhere with possible evidence of a nuclear explosion as the sand has been turned into glass? Surely there would be similar here. The natural disaster theory is probably more accurate, hence it being mixed up with the earth.

[armadillo]

One of the best episodes ever! Blown away by many of the items covered. To think it took four seasons to come to this point.

The theory that Puma punku and Tiahuanaco were built at different times and by different people/entities is certainly very plausible.

What was amazing for me was the section on the Fuente Magna bowl and the writing that is very close to the Sumerian Cuneiform script. Would love to know how the academics explain this finding given that the Americas is several thousand miles from Iraq. I recall that in one of Zechariah Sitchin's books translated from the Sumerian tablets, it was mentioned that one of the Annunaki actually visited a land thought to be the Americas in search of gold. Wish it would have been covered in more detail in the episode. This and the discovery of the ancient mines in South Africa seem to add weight to Sitchin's translations and that the Sumerian tales were actually real events and not fairy tales made up by highly imaginative people. Does anyone know if Sitchin ever translated the writing on the Fuente Magna bowl?

Lastly, I read somewhere that the area in Puma Punku used to be much lower in elevation and there was evidence of sea life. As a result of the earth movements / tectonic plates, the whole Andes region is now much more elevated than in antiquity. Can anyone confirm this? If so, then there must have been trees or logs at that time, not that I buy much into that argument anyway.

[Liberty]

I loved this episode. I liked the machine shop and the speculation of the different blocks and their purposes with Christopher Dunn. I can't help but make my own speculation though.....as they were fitting the pieces together to hold the hinge I was thinking a little differently. The recessed area within the inside of the "H" block reminded me of ball bearing stops like what is used on two interlocking metal pieces to extend their length. I was also thinking about the shapes and the preciseness of the cuts. This reminded me of something I saw on "How's it made" or "Modern Marvels" when die cut stamping is used and so it made me think that maybe instead of a blade or laser that a die type apparatus was used to cut the stone when it was heated that resulted in the smooth precise cutting of the blocks. Anyway, together this made me think of a docking station for a craft, perhaps something similar to the way the one in "Independence Day" worked where the clamps were designed to hold the ship because of the constant antigrav buoyancy. Well that's all I got for now. Keep up the great episode - more time a topic = great show. More info, whether theory, speculation, or "fact" is always awesome!

[Ace Rimmer]

:mrgreen: I loved this episode. I liked the machine shop and the speculation of the different blocks and their purposes with Christopher Dunn. I can't help but make my own speculation though.....as they were fitting the pieces together to hold the hinge I was thinking a little differently. The recessed area within the inside of the "H" block reminded me of ball bearing stops like what is used on two interlocking metal pieces to extend their length. I was also thinking about the shapes and the preciseness of the cuts. This reminded me of something I saw on "How's it made" or "Modern Marvels" when die cut stamping is used and so it made me think that maybe instead of a blade or laser that a die type apparatus was used to cut the stone when it was heated that resulted in the smooth precise cutting of the blocks. Anyway, together this made me think of a docking station for a craft, perhaps something similar to the way the one in "Independence Day" worked where the clamps were designed to hold the ship because of the constant antigrav buoyancy. Well that's all I got for now. Keep up the great episode - more time a topic = great show. More info, whether theory, speculation, or "fact" is always awesome!

That's a good thought too, the die cut stamping. And the docking station idea.

[Foxlike Mulder]

I also thought it was a great episode.

The bowl with Sumerian writing that was found near Puma Punku...that's amazing...I'd like to learn more about that.

As for the two theories posed on the H blocks...the second is a bit weak as I agree with Mercury, there are no burn marks in the stone and I have to believe if in fact there were ETs who built this place, they would have had better technology than a launching pad. However, every civilization starts somewhere, maybe it was old, advanced technology? Better yet, I like Chris Dunn's theory on the enormous hinges that the H Blocks could be part of. Additionally, he showed some examples of how you could drill holes to complete the hinges...as was depicted on the show, there are many drill holes in these blocks...at least Dunn created a model that incorporated the concept of blocks with drill holes. It seemed more logical (and believable).

And the faces carved in stone...the fact they had many kinds tells us that whatever civilization was there had at least seen or met with other diverse cultures (trans-continental, at least, since these sculptures were such diverse representations). This tells us they were mobile (and/or others were mobile to them)...this also goes against conventional wisdom that these cultures didn't travel too far from home.

I've got to go to Puma Punku before I die...

Post-edit: I did a quick lookup on some research surrounding that bowl with Sumerian writing. I attached a URL below from U Cal Riverside that talks about the bowl and it's origins...interesting. The writer finds it plausable that Sumerians wandered to the Andes Mountains in Bolivia...I think it's rather far, but who knows? It certainly means more credit should be given to the civilizations that can travel 9,000 miles across vast lands and oceans when evidence of that kind of mobility hasn't been easily found.

http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~legneref/ar ... entema.htm

[seeker1117]

Yep...this one was great! Excellent to see Dunne's idea about the hinges...the "launch ramp" maybe not so much, but at least it shows people are really thinking about this. That "Sumerian" bowl totally blew me away...several other choice bits of info that i'd not heard before, as well. All around a great ride. This type of episode is what I want to see more of, definitely: take ONE subject and delve deeper into it!

[Moon]

What I really liked about the episode is that they had a man there who really knew his stuff. He is not a journalist speculating like Graham Hancock is but an actual engineer with over 30 years experience in his field. He is well respected and people listen to him.

We need many more episodes where the evidence and monuments are looked at through these eyes. I am with Giorgio on this one as it shows something much bigger here than what we are constantly being told.

[Ace Rimmer]

Oh yes the bowl! That was great. I never read about any artifact/items found at Puma Punku, coins or jewelry, the bowl makes me hopeful that other things might be found, even though it was found a while ago, like late 1950s I think it was. But I bet that place has really been picked over, over the last few centuries.

[mobious13]

So no one liked the idea of the launch rails, because of no burn marks. Think geo-magnetic/eletro-magnetic as in mag-lev. What are the geologic properties of that type of stone?

[kcanmoore]

I have to say the Puma Punku unsettles me. I think mainly because it looks deliberately destroyed; almost as if it was somehow lifted a thousand or so feet into the air and allowed to fall haphazardly. I wonder if it was reduced to rubble by the builders or by enemies of the builders.

[Ace Rimmer]

So no one liked the idea of the launch rails, because of no burn marks. Think geo-magnetic/eletro-magnetic as in mag-lev. What are the geologic properties of that type of stone?

I just don't buy the launch rails idea because I think their technology far exceeded a need to so primitively launch something.

[The_Thylacine]

Let's see how my first post goes... The first time I saw puma punku, it finalized my thoughts that there's so much history with aliens among our world. If I could go there for a few weeks I'd be there already lol. The example with our various cutting techniques versus the well-aged and weathered cut is amazing. Our best technology is severely outdated it seems. The model with the H-blocks was "badass" in my opinion too. Yes, the launching of a rocket propelled object seems farfetched, but I offer this... What if an alien race had no choice but to make a base camp and launch themselves out of the atmosphere. Perhaps fuel propelled until out of the atmosphere?? The idea of the ducktail locks is missing the guides and the other parts necessary to make a door. If I break down a door made of stone, the remnants should be everywhere. Other than those I can't seem to find a decent explanation. Whatever made it had to be highly advanced.

[Foxlike Mulder]

Let's see how my first post goes... The first time I saw puma punku, it finalized my thoughts that there's so much history with aliens among our world. If I could go there for a few weeks I'd be there already lol. The example with our various cutting techniques versus the well-aged and weathered cut is amazing. Our best technology is severely outdated it seems. The model with the H-blocks was "badass" in my opinion too. Yes, the launching of a rocket propelled object seems farfetched, but I offer this... What if an alien race had no choice but to make a base camp and launch themselves out of the atmosphere. Perhaps fuel propelled until out of the atmosphere?? The idea of the ducktail locks is missing the guides and the other parts necessary to make a door. If I break down a door made of stone, the remnants should be everywhere. Other than those I can't seem to find a decent explanation. Whatever made it had to be highly advanced.

Welcome Thylacine! Puma Punku is one my favorite topics; it is also what I feel one of the greatest examples of unexplained (human?) history. There is another thread (below) which expands on the subject quite a bit. Cheers!

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2903&start=70

[Dr. Z]

A great episode. Once again, the available data, and the poof of concept were compelling.

Many great points were made, but the one to me that towers above all else is how the stones were cut. Modern drills and saws leave a different type of mark under the microspore.

[Zeppelin1969]

Definitely one of my favorite episodes.

[Toby]

Viking mythology speaks of Valhalla

Valhalla is the great hall of the einherjar, the heroic dead. Warriors who died in glorious battle were chosen by Odin to wait in Valhalla until Ragnarok.

The large strucure, built by Odin himself in Asgard, had over five hundred doors, each large enough for eight hundred warriors to march out of at the time of Ragnarok so that they could fight the futile battle with the gods.

Valhalla was the heaven of the Vikings, a large hall where wounds healed quickly and meat was readily available. A constant routine of fighting and feasting ensured that the warriors were at their physical peak when Ragnarok came. In Old Norse, it’s name, Valhöll, means “hall of the slain”.

http://www.ancient-mythology.com/norse/valhalla.php

[Zeppelin1969]

We come from the land of ice and snow from the midnight sun where the hot springs glow.
Hammer of the gods.
We drive our ships to new lands.
Fight the hoards, sing and cry.
Valhalla I am coming.