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phoenix wrote:Thank you for correcting me on the sirius not being a part of Orion Nikola. The universe and the constallations are not my prime interest and what i know very much about. I however made a slight error when writing the "cardinal" fixed signs in the zodiac. What i ment was just the four fixed signs that indicates the start of a new age. According to wikipedia these are:
The four fixed signs of the Zodiac are:
Taurus (ox) : - spring in northern hemisphere and autumn in southern hemisphere.
Leo (leo) : - summer in northern hemisphere and winter in southern hemisphere.
Scorpio (Eagle) : - autumn in northern hemisphere and spring in southern hemisphere.
Aquarius (man) : - winter in northern hemisphere and summer in southern hemisphere.
I'm sorry i was unclear about this. In later times The Eagle was somehow replaced by The Scorpio. I don't know why, but perhaps someone can explain this.

Nikolai wrote: Scorpio was once also a snake. The constellations were observed as a different animal/character in every culture.




allspark wrote:
So when was the last time we were in the age of scorpio ? about between 16,000 BC - 14,000 BC ?
was the serpent mound set in place at that time to reflect it's age similarly to the way in which the great pyramid was aligned to the stars of orion ?
Nikola wrote:allspark wrote:
So when was the last time we were in the age of scorpio ? about between 16,000 BC - 14,000 BC ?
was the serpent mound set in place at that time to reflect it's age similarly to the way in which the great pyramid was aligned to the stars of orion ?
Well, roughly said, 20 000 years. So, yes, it's absolutely possible. Almost 99% of the ancients depictions and sculptures were placed in order to commemorate it's age, or the hero/character bound to it by the mythology. So you can clearly see Orion, Taurus and Gemini in this tablet. For the female - can't tell what it is. Looks like some ancient representation of Ophiuchus holding the snake.

ilacewords wrote:Gilded wrote: not to demerit the Pyramid Code series, but Hulu is definitely not known for its credibility when it comes to source videos. I recommend the NOVA videos as well as even the online adventure as perhaps an alternative.
I recommended the link from Hulu because a lot of people including myself and Hearte had expressed while at the workplace which is where a lot of people surf, youtube is blocked for use. There is also a website for the series. It's on youtube as well but broken into parts which most people will dismiss and not watch as a whole. Hulu happened to contain the episodes in their entirity. I was originally made aware of the series through my cable's documentary television station and went searching for it on the web.
I have been watching the Pyramid Code and I was impressed with the detail and information put forth by Dr. Boulter. I have also been impressed by the inclusion of other lesser known locations to support the high technnology theories. The series has been circulating on the Documentary Channel if anyone is interested.
I will agree with Max however that I also tend to ignore the Nova programs that contain(ed) Dr Hawass as he is known for blatantly covering up anything other than mainstream Egyptian ideas which have mostly originated with himself or been perpetuated by himself. Hearte was usually towing that line as well and not open to looking at alternatives.
I could have refrained from my statement about the femaie narrator but it did rub me the wrong way when he said that he turned it off 5 minues into it due to her. I mean she was the narrator, not the people who are all skilled with degrees in fields pertaining to the evidence for heaven's sake. It just seemed like a petty reason to disregard the evidence as a whole at the time. It still does....and I surely wrote that while I was most irritated about his reply. Sorry if it was offensive to anyone else who reads this thread.
(Source: Wiki article on the Sahara)"The climate of the Sahara has undergone enormous variation between wet and dry over the last few hundred thousand years. During the last glacial period, the Sahara was even bigger than it is today, extending south beyond its current boundaries. The end of the glacial period brought more rain to the Sahara, from about 8000 BC to 6000 BC, perhaps because of low pressure areas over the collapsing ice sheets to the north."
(ibid. p 21) ."The Qadan culture, represented at more than twenty sites from the second Cataract to Toshka, constituted an important stage of development both in its stone tools, which were characteristically microlithic, and in its signs of economic development. Some Qadan tools show traces of 'sickle gloss', which is commonly interpreted as evidence for the beginnings of agriculture. Pollen analyses have confirmed the presence of 'gramineae' (a wheat-like grass) and – at Esna at least - wild barley. However, this agricultural experiment – if that is the right word for it – does not appear to have lasted beyond the turn of the tenth millennium."
"The texts at Edfu are many and varied, and it seems certain that much of their contents was derived from several now lost works with titles such as the Specifications of the Mounds of the Early Primeval Age, accredited to the god Thoth, the Sacred Book of the Early Primeval Age of the Gods and one called Offering the Lotus. 1:8-10 All of these extremely ancient works begin with the gradual emergence out of the Nun, the primeval waters, of a sacred island, synonymous with the primeval mound of the Heliopolitan tradition. This event is said to have occurred during a time-frame spoken of by Reymond as the 'first occasion' – her interpretation of the Egyptian expression sep tepi, or the First Time. 1:6-7
Surrounding this mound or hill, known then as the Island of the Egg, was a circle or 'channel' of water, 1:134,142 and by the edge of this lake was a 'field of reeds' and a sacred domain named Wetjeset-Neter 1:123 (sometimes Wetjeset-hor). Here were erected posts or columns referred to as djed-pillars, which served as perches for the domain's first divine inhabitants, said to number 60.1:34 These mysterious beings were led by a group of individuals known as the drty-falcons, or Sages, who were ruled by an enigmatic figure called the Pn-god or simply, This One. 1:77,103 Other groups and individuals also bore peculiar names such as the Kas, the Flying Ba and Heter-her. These faceless forms were said to have been the seed of their own creation at the time when the rest of the world had not yet come into being. The most astonishing fact about this strange collection of characters is that they are said to have preceded the appearance of the netjeru, 1:76 The gods of the Greater and Lesser Ennead revered so highly in Heliopolitan tradition.
The Edfu account speaks at length of the events surrounding the Island of the Egg and the Wetjeset-Neter, collectively referred to as the 'homeland', and alludes to some kind of violent conflict which brought to a close the first period of creation. 1:107-109 An enemy appears in the form of a serpent known as the Great Leaping One. 1:35,113 It opposes the sacred domain's divine inhabitants, who fight back with a weapon known only as the "Sound Eye" which emerges from the island and creates further destruction on behalf of its protectors. 1:114 No explanation of this curious symbol is given, although Reymond felt it to be 'the centre of the light that illumines the island'. 1:103 As a consequence of this mass devastation, the first inhabitants all die, 1:109 and darkness returns to the world, as it had been before the moment of the First Creation. Death and decay are everywhere – a fact recorded in the alternative names now given to the Island of the Egg, which include the Island of Combat, 1:107 the Island of the Trampling 1:87-88,114,126 and finally, the Island of Peace.1:12-13,55,106-7
More important, after the violent conflict with the enemy serpent, a major transition occurs in the conception of the sacred island. For a time it vanishes beneath the primeval waters of Nun amid the perpetual darkness that has consumed the world, yet then it emerges again and henceforth is given the title Underworld of the Soul.1:15,110 It also becomes known as the Place of the First Occasion in memory of the death of the drty-falcons and their leader, This One, the Pn-god, who are now collectively referred to as the ddw-ghosts and the Ancestors of the First Occasion.1:108,118
We are told that the only 'relic' of the first period of creation to survive the time of conflict is a single djed-pillar located in the Field of Reeds, situated by the side of the waters of Nun.1:116 It is subsequently replaced by a new 'perch', or djeba, which becomes the focus of a renewed period of creation involving a second generation of divine inhabitants. They include an important group of individuals known as the Shebtiu,1:119, 2:51 the leaders of which are named Wa and Aa, who are described as the 'Lords of the Island of Trampling.' 2:41 Another group of eight Shebtiu – corresponding with the eight Ogdoad, or builder gods of the Theban creation myth – are given enigmatic titles such as 'The Far Distant', 'the Sailor' and 'The Lord, mighty-chested, who made slaughter, the Soul who lives on Blood." 2:51
These gods of Wetjeset-Neter are joined by other important divinities, such as the god Ptah-Tanen, and his 'Children of Tanen', 2:52 as well as an enigmatic figure named the Falcon, who is known as the 'Lord of the Perch' and 'the Winged One'. 1:116,123-124,131 he commands a further group of individuals called the 'crew of the falcon', 1:177,179 Collectively, these ancestral gods are also described as the Senior Ones or the Eldest Ones, 2:42 from which we derive the term 'Elders', 'Elder gods' and 'Elder culture' to denote Egypt's divine race.
This second generation of divine individuals known for the first time as netjeru gods, henceforth become the new rulers of Wetjeset Neter. They are also seen as 'living deities', who live 'in the company of Re', 1:120 the first real link with the sun-cult of Heliopolis.
The Shebtiu and their companions set about constructing a 'shelter' or enclosure on the edge of the sacred lake, close to Wetsjeset-Neter.1:142-143 This is followed by the appearance of the first temple, known as the 'Mansion of the Wetjeset-Neter,1:28 which is also referred to as the Grand Seat or Temple of the Falcon 1:208 (the Ancient Egyptians were, it seems, obsessed with the idea of giving things a multitude of names and titles). According to the Edfu documents, this imposing building stood 'in a vast enclosure surrounding another inner enclosure which was the real temple'. 1:29 Specific details are given as to its measurements, which are said to have been '30 cubits west to east, and 20 cubits from south to north'. 1:29 A large courtyard was located in front of this sanctuary, while smaller structures were to be found along the 'two inner sides of this courtyard'.1:29 Did this building really exist in the mists of time? What became of it, and where exactly might it have been situated?
After an undisclosed period, rising waters again threaten the Island of Trampling, causing the original temple or Mansion of Wetjeset-Neter to be damaged or destroyed. Yet then something curious occurs, the Shebtiu "Wa and 'Aa are instructed by the God-of-the-Temple to enter within the enigmatically named Place-in-which-the-things-of-the-earth-were-filled-with-power, 1:27 another name for the water-encircled island, and here they conduct 'magic spells' which make the waters recede. 1:31,162 To this end they appear to have used mysterious power objects, named iht, 'relics', which are stored within the island. 1:154 Then, according to Raymond's summary of the events under question, the Shebtiu, or Ogdoad, appear to have simply 'sailed away' 1:27 to another part of the mystical world to continue their creative task.' 1:180
Various subsequent stages in the creation of the world involve a gradual progression in the design and appearance of the Temple of the Falcon, while a further building, named as the Solar Temple, is said to have been built on the site of an earlier battle, 1:208,250 plausibly one connected with the destruction of the first divine inhabitants by the enemy serpent. Before the commencement of each new building phase, a series of consecration ceremonies is conducted by the Shebtiu using the iht relics. These also involve familiar figures such as the gods Thoth and Ptah-Tanen, the goddess Seshat, the sun-god Re and the eight builder gods known as the Ogdoad (who were simply another form of the Shebtiu.) 1:28 it must be pointed out, however, that these additional building phases are not necessarily to be seen as later events, since the texts are often mixed up, duplicated and confused and may therefore refer to events relating to the first two periods of creation.
Gradually the world evolves and the divine inhabitants of Wetjeset-Neter are replaced by the Shemsu-hor, the predynastic ancestors of the Egyptian race led by Horus of Behdet. These in turn give way to the first Horus-kings, bringing the story conveniently up to the foundation of the First Dynasty of a united Egypt, c.3100 BC. This then, is the Edfu account of the creation of the world and, we must assume, the origins of Egyptian culture during the epoch of the First Time.
Riddle Of The Great Pyramids Of Giza: Professor Finds Some Building Blocks Were Concrete
ScienceDaily (Dec. 9, 2006) — In partially solving a mystery that has baffled archeologists for centuries, a Drexel University professor has determined that the Great Pyramids of Giza were constructed with a combination of not only carved stones but the first blocks of limestone-based concrete cast by any civilization.
Michel Barsoum, professor of materials engineering, shows in a peer-reviewed paper to be published Dec. 1 in the Journal of the American Ceramic Society how the Egyptian builders of the nearly 5,000-year-old pyramids were exceptional civil and architectural engineers as well as superb chemists and material scientists. His conclusions could lead to a seismic shift in the kind of concrete used in construction and provide developing nations a way to build structures utilizing inexpensive and easily accessible materials.
Barsoum presented his findings at a news conference Nov. 30 at Le Palais de la decouverte, Avenue Franklin D. Roosevelt, in Paris, France.
The longstanding belief is that the pyramids were constructed with limestone blocks that were cut to shape in nearby quarries using copper tools, transported to the pyramid sites, hauled up ramps and hoisted in place with the help of wedges and levers. Barsoum argues that although indeed the majority of the stones were carved and hoisted into place, crucial parts were not. The ancient builders cast the blocks of the outer and inner casings and, most likely, the upper parts of the pyramids using a limestone concrete, called a geopolymer.
To arrive at his findings, Barsoum, an Egypt native, and co-workers analyzed more than 1,000 micrographs, chemical analyses and other materials over three years. Barsoum, whose interest in the pyramids and geopolymers was piqued five years ago when he heard theories about the construction of the pyramids, says that to construct them with only cast stone builders would have needed an unattainable amount of wood and fuel to heat lime to 900 degrees Celsius.
Barsoum's findings provide long-sought answers to some of the questions about how the pyramids were constructed and with such precision. It puts to rest the question of how steep ramps could have extended to the summit of the pyramids; builders could cast blocks on site, without having to transport stones great distances. By using cast blocks, builders were able to level the pyramids' bases to within an inch. Finally, builders were able to maintain precisely the angles of the pyramids so that the four planes of each arrived at a peak.
Although these findings answer some of the questions about the pyramids, Barsoum says the mystery of how they were built is far from solved. For example, he has been unable to determine how granite beams -- spanning kings' chambers and weighing as much as 70 tons each -- were cut with nothing harder than copper and hauled in place.
The type of concrete pyramid builders used could reduce pollution and outlast Portland cement, the most common type of modern cement. Portland cement injects a large amount of the world's carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and has a lifespan of about 150 years. If widely used, a geopolymer such as the one used in the construction of the pyramids can reduce that amount of pollution by 90 percent and last much longer. The raw materials used to produce the concrete used in the pyramids -- lime, limestone and diatomaceous earth -- can be found worldwide and is affordable enough to be an important construction material for developing countries, Barsoum said.
Background:
Barsoum graduated with a bachelor's degree in materials engineering from American University in Cairo in 1977, a master's degree in ceramics engineering from the University of Missouri at Rolla in 1980 and a doctoral degree in ceramics from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in 1985. He joined Drexel's Department of Materials Engineering as an assistant professor in 1985 and has served as a distinguished professor of materials engineering at Drexel since 1999.
A fellow of the American Ceramic Society and academician of the World Congress of Ceramics, Barsoum has published more than 160 refereed publications, including ones in Nature, Nature Materials, Physical Review Letters and Science. He is also the author of the textbook Fundamentals of Ceramics, which is used worldwide.
maxmercury wrote:After reading the book The Ancient Alien Question by Philip Coppens, I do think the pyramids could of been built by Khufu. I do think they were built on a very ancient pre-existing plan, and the possible use of pouring liquid limestone into their shapes (Mr Coppens did a lot of research on this subject). If that was the case, then who gave them that complex formula and the idea of where to build them?

Vance87 wrote:Who's ancient pre-existing plan was it? Does he talk about possible candidates?
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