100s Of Missing People In US National Parks -Rense/Paulides

[Inquiring Mind]

Missing-411 is the first comprehensive book about people who have disappeared in the wilds of North America. It’s understood that people routinely get lost, some want to disappear but this story is about the unusual. Nobody has ever studied the archives for similarities, traits and geographical clusters of missing people, until now.

A tip from a national park ranger led to 3+ years and a 7000 hour investigative effort into understanding the stories behind people who have vanished. The book chronicles children, adults and the elderly who disappeared, sometimes in the presence of friends and relatives. As Search and Rescue personnel exhaust leads and places to search, relatives start to believe kidnappings and abductions have occurred. The belief by the relatives is not an isolated occurrence; it replicates itself time after time, case after case across North America.

The research depicts 28 clusters of missing people across the continent, something that has never been exposed and was a shocking find to researchers. Topography does play a part into the age of the victims and certain clusters have specific age and sex consistency that is baffling. This is not a phenomenon that has been occurring in just the last few decades, clusters of missing people have been identified as far back as the 1800’s.

The manuscript for the research was extremely large so the story was split between two books, Missing 411 Western United States and Canada and Missing 411 Eastern United States. The Eastern version will be released in late March and will include a list of all missing people in each edition and a concluding chapter that draws both books together for conclusions.

Some of the issues that are discussed in each edition:

• The National Park Service attitude toward missing people

• How specific factors in certain cases replicate themselves in different clusters

• Exposing cases involving missing children that aren’t on any national database

• Unusual behavior by bloodhounds/canines involved in the search process

• How storms, berries, swamps, briar patches, boulder fields and victim disabilities play a role in the disappearance

• The strategies of Search and Rescue personnel need to change under specific circumstances

http://www.nabigfootsearch.com/missing_411.html

Part One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfsw6KFK ... re=channel

Part Two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6ftNG82 ... re=channel

Part Three: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltzTx-td ... re=channel

Part Four: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHfQx-xx ... re=channel

[Ace Rimmer]

There is always somebody going missing in parks and off of trails. We hear of groups out hiking and somebody drops back or goes ahead and nobody ever sees them again and no trace of them is ever found. We talk about this a lot and never get out of each other's sight when out in the woods.

I find it extremely interesting that there are no statistics on the number of people gone missing in National Parks over the years. I'm going to look into this too.

This is interesting. 2 men recently missing within days of each other.

Second Search For Missing Person Initiated At Great Smoky Mountains National Park

http://www.nationalparkstraveler.com/20 ... l-park9640

so then I was looking for more stories about missing people, this is from the Fresno area.

http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/explore?tag=missing-person

But I will say it is so easy to get lost in the woods, fall off of a trail, go over a cliff, fall in a hole. Fall and hit your head...etc...fall and get impaled on a big stick, but then if there is a body, it is pretty easy for search dogs to find it. Unless it is in a lake or river.

All I can add is try to stay safe in the woods and don't go out alone, that is just asking for trouble and I think it is a god idea to be packing some heat!

[Moon]

I have been in the Black Hills area in South Dakota and it is some of the densest forest I have ever seen. It is very easy to get lost and never found again.

The area also is warm during the day and gets very cold at night. I don't see a big mystery other than poor souls getting lost and dying of exposure.

[Sunrisepony]

I was told by a friend of mine that's ex-project talent super solider / mk-ultra connected. That most of the un-explainable disappearances are connected to black projects. Specially in regards to the children. They use them in all sorts of those projects. Wont talk about the other two reasons so many children disappear.

[siren13]

They discussed this on coast to Coast am a few weeks back too. They were determining that some of the cases involved other dimensions. You could hear people but could not see them and they would be right in front of you..really creepy.

I think a lot of it could be more mundane than people may think. Sometimes hikers are not prepared and get lost and turned around become lost and then die from starvation or dehydration. There is a large forest park by me I always stay by the road. And on the trail! The thought of getting lost scares me. I stick to landmarks too when venturing in less obvious areas that are part of the jogging trail.

[Moon]

A friend of mine went on a camping trip in the Black Hills with a Scout group and one of the boys saw a deer and followed it causing him to become lost for a few days. They traced the path he took and found he was only a few hundred feet away from a major highway. The forest is so dense he did not hear any trucks and would of been toast in the next day if they had not found him by luck.

[siren13]

His poor family must have been going crazy! So glad he was found

[Sunrisepony]

I think almost every case has to be looked at individually. The dimensional stuff makes sense for some, so does more mundane explanations, and so does the fact that many kids are definitely kidnapped for use in the black projects, etc. Even my friend Duncan that was part of Project Talent, the first or second generation of Super Soldiers, or Dave Corso, or Aaron McCollum etc, they will all verify this, so would anyone that gets ahold of James Casbolt. It's not that well of a "kept secret". MKULTRA and it's associated projects are well known for this, CIA has an kidnapping program connected to multiple pedophilia rings. There are human trafficking rings, the Reptoids and Grays that consume children. Then there are the kids kidnapped and used in ritualistic ceremonies. I remember this one friend of mine talking about this church, they were building a new portion of the church, expanding it. And, when they went to dig the foundation discovered a massive grave of young children from around 4-9yrs of age. Some of the skeletons/remains were fairly fresh.

[siren13]

that is part of why the idea of having kids of my own scares the crap out of me. I would worry more than anyone I think.

Do you guys ever watch Disappeared on the IDiscovery channel? They have had a few cases where people are lost in woods and never heard from again. There was a case in Maine, Washington also all young guys ages 23-25 nice looking hiker types. The cases they believed were connected. No one has ever figured out what happened to them..

[Inquiring Mind]

David gives George a follow-up on the latest cases he's currently investigating. David also gives the details on his new book set to come out that deals with mysterious disapearances in national parks on the American east coast. This one is just as shocking and lurid as the last interview. Aside from the uncanny and highly suspicious lax attitude adopted toward hundreds of disapearances under national park jurisdiction, there appears to be a total vow of silence and a position of 'official' denial from the national park service employees, the federal government and the media concerning these bizarre cases.

"Missing 411-Eastern United States" is David Paulides' second book of a two part series about people who have disappeared in the wilds of North America. "Missing 411-Western U.S." was released March 1, 2012 and has garnered wide spread publicity and favorable reviews. The eastern version covers similar disappearances for the east, but also includes the master list of missing people from both books and a special list of children under 10 years who have been identified in both versions. Every story in each book is 100% factual.

The eastern version contains chapters identifying clusters of missing people from the eastern section of the United States but also includes one chapter on Ontario (Canada) hunters who have disappeared. The book also contains chapters on berry pickers, sheepherders and farmers that have vanished from throughout North America under unusual circumstances.

Both versions of Missing 411 identify portions of 28 clusters of missing people that have been documented throughout the U.S. and Canada. Sometimes these clusters are purely geographical while others identify a linkage based on age and sex of the victims, a very troubling and surprising find by researchers.

Missing 411-Eastern United States

Release Date: April 20, 2012

342 Pages

ISBN: 1468012622

ISBN 13: 9781468012620

Author: David Paulides

http://www.nabigfootsearch.com/catalog/ ... 296880.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT_56Zf68Bo

[Moon]

I have added that book to my growing wish list. It is good to read both sides of the issue and there are so many disappearances people tend to dismiss all of them as runaways (either from home or life in general).

[Corcaigh]

They discussed this on coast to Coast am a few weeks back too. They were determining that some of the cases involved other dimensions. You could hear people but could not see them and they would be right in front of you..really creepy.

That's interesting...

<slightly off topic>Many years ago I was shopping with my mother, we were walking down an aisle that had a 'carousel' style display of jewellery (or whatever it was) standing in the middle of the aisle, I went to the left, my mother went to the right and she disappeared.
I don't mean she vanished in front of my eyes like some magic trick, I mean I walked passed the display on one side, she the other and I couldn't see her any more. I searched around looking for her, calling "mum, muuuuum!" but she didn't answer, I retraced my steps, nothing, I wandered around the shop and couldn't find her anywhere. I could hear a small child screaming and crying about something in another aisle.

I can't remember what I did after, but we found each other again, she (of course totally unconcerned by the incident), thought I'd been acting the maggot and had run off (not that she bothered to look for me), she'd continued on shopping, she'd heard the small child screaming and crying as well.

It was all very odd. And even odder still, that wasn't the only time something like that happened...

We were in a supermarket getting the week's groceries, when she realised she'd forgotten to get eggs, so I went back to get them, came back to the aisle where I'd left her. And she wasn't there. I started wandering around the shop looking but there was no sign of her. I went aisle by aisle systematically looking for her, but nope, couldn't find her anywhere. In the end I gave up, put the eggs down somewhere and went out to the car park.

When we finally reunited she told me she'd seen me walking around the shop "like a proper eejit" (no explanation as to why she'd not called out or waved, or something - apparently she thought I was acting the maggot again )

That happened so often in that supermarket that we eventually got an extra key cut for the car, so that I could go out to the car and sit in there and wait for her to come out of the shop. Every time without fail she'd insist she'd seen me wandering around the shop "like an eejit" but never once did she speak to me, or try to attract my attention...

I went to pick her up from Mass one Sunday, stood at the gate of the Church yard and waited till every last person was gone, no sign of her. I drove up the road really slowly keeping an eye out for her, nearly crashed the car twice. I drove right around the town and back three times looking, but couldn't find her anywhere. I get back to the house to find her sitting in the living room. WTH?! I told her I'd gone to pick her up, and she said she'd seen me standing at the gate, had no idea why I was there (um, what other reason would I be standing there for??) and she'd seen me driving passed her twice. There is only once place on the road that she wouldn't have been visible to someone driving by and she said she wasn't there when she saw me passing...


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[Inquiring Mind]

They discussed this on coast to Coast am a few weeks back too. They were determining that some of the cases involved other dimensions. You could hear people but could not see them and they would be right in front of you..really creepy.

That's interesting...

<slightly off topic>Many years ago I was shopping with my mother, we were walking down an aisle that had a 'carousel' style display of jewellery (or whatever it was) standing in the middle of the aisle, I went to the left, my mother went to the right and she disappeared.
I don't mean she vanished in front of my eyes like some magic trick, I mean I walked passed the display on one side, she the other and I couldn't see her any more. I searched around looking for her, calling "mum, muuuuum!" but she didn't answer, I retraced my steps, nothing, I wandered around the shop and couldn't find her anywhere. I could hear a small child screaming and crying about something in another aisle.

I can't remember what I did after, but we found each other again, she (of course totally unconcerned by the incident), thought I'd been acting the maggot and had run off (not that she bothered to look for me), she'd continued on shopping, she'd heard the small child screaming and crying as well.

It was all very odd. And even odder still, that wasn't the only time something like that happened...

We were in a supermarket getting the week's groceries, when she realised she'd forgotten to get eggs, so I went back to get them, came back to the aisle where I'd left her. And she wasn't there. I started wandering around the shop looking but there was no sign of her. I went aisle by aisle systematically looking for her, but nope, couldn't find her anywhere. In the end I gave up, put the eggs down somewhere and went out to the car park.

When we finally reunited she told me she'd seen me walking around the shop "like a proper eejit" (no explanation as to why she'd not called out or waved, or something - apparently she thought I was acting the maggot again )

That happened so often in that supermarket that we eventually got an extra key cut for the car, so that I could go out to the car and sit in there and wait for her to come out of the shop. Every time without fail she'd insist she'd seen me wandering around the shop "like an eejit" but never once did she speak to me, or try to attract my attention...

I went to pick her up from Mass one Sunday, stood at the gate of the Church yard and waited till every last person was gone, no sign of her. I drove up the road really slowly keeping an eye out for her, nearly crashed the car twice. I drove right around the town and back three times looking, but couldn't find her anywhere. I get back to the house to find her sitting in the living room. WTH?! I told her I'd gone to pick her up, and she said she'd seen me standing at the gate, had no idea why I was there (um, what other reason would I be standing there for??) and she'd seen me driving passed her twice. There is only once place on the road that she wouldn't have been visible to someone driving by and she said she wasn't there when she saw me passing...


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Thanks for sharing your memories. Talk about frightening. I can faintly remember how horrifying the experience of being 'lost' was as a young child, it happened to me on numerous occasions, but thankfully I was always able to find my parents. So why do you think your mother was always so, glib, I guess is the word, when it came to keeping track of you?

[Corcaigh]

Thanks for sharing your memories. Talk about frightening. I can faintly remember how horrifying the experience of being 'lost' was as a young child, it happened to me on numerous occasions, but thankfully I was always able to find my parents. So why do you think your mother was always so, glib, I guess is the word, when it came to keeping track of you?

Wasn't ever frightening, just downright odd, why couldn't I see her, and she could see me? I can remember one time going around the supermarket and I looked at every person I passed - got some strange looks off them! in order to find her. I couldn't and she said she'd watched me...

She's "glib" because she has Narcissistic Personality Disorder. She couldn't give a damn about any one or any thing else in the world. She considers me to be unworthy of her attention, and when we got separated she'd assume I was deliberately ignoring her, or acting the maggot, or something else. It would never ever occur to her that it was anything other than my being an idiot. She also considers me to be extremely selfish, which is why she can't fathom why I'd be waiting outside the church to pick her up - it would never ever occur to her that I was there to give her a lift home, but was there for some other reason.