Where do we go?

[spaceycasey]

Ok, so if 2012 runs true as predicted by many civilizations, where is the safest place to take my family? Many of my family members are stocking up on ammo and food. I am stocking up on food as well, but I live by the coast. Will it make a difference were we are?

[Jeff Sheets]

Most folks I know do not believe that 2012 will be more than just a restart of the calendar. Most that do believe in an apocalypse tend to get their information selectively from their chosen religion. However, there are lots of things besides the bad 2012 prophecies that could go wrong, and deep preparation is a very good thing. We should all prepare for disasters just because they are random events.

I have always been a bit of a survivalist and am always looking for ways to become less dependent on society and to protect my family against random acts of nature and man. My area gets firestorms occasionally, and once you leave your property you may not be allowed to return, so make it good or be prepared to leave.

Any coast might be a bad place generally, since mountainous regions are safer from things like floods, typhoons, tsunamis, extreme weather, or even nuclear fallout (depending on whether you are on the right or wrong side of the mountain). Earthquakes are possible anywhere, as are the possibilities of something falling out of the sky onto our heads. Anywhere that used to be the bottom of a lake is probably not such a great idea, since it is likely to be so again. Large forests can burn, etc.

If something big goes down, military bases are likely to BE the law (if they survive) so make decisions accordingly.You want to control your own destiny, then stay away from cities, military, power plants, oil rigs, utilities, etc. Wherever you decide to make your stand, make it part of your lifestyle now and be sure you can provision and defend it AFTER a disaster, and don't advertise the fact that you are preparing to do so. Short or long term, other people could be difficult to trust, so it would be best to stay invisible.

Technology will be difficult to keep going, but anything you store that is electronic should have many spares and can be stored underground or inside a grounded cage of some sort to guard against EMP, which is likely in a nuclear strike or meteor falling. EMP basically renders any electronics worthless. Basic farming tools will be valuable and useful.

The point is to survive it initially, then be able to continue to survive as society picks up the pieces.

Hope that helps someone.

[Ace Rimmer]

Things are really starting to amp up now I have noticed. I mean with people, people I wouldn't even guess are getting ready to hunker down. I half suspect a few are on the verge of getting a back hoe to start digging a bunker.

Where we live we are every once in a while, due to wind storms or ice storms, 2 freezing rain storms in the last few years, anyway we can be without power for a day up to a week. So a lot of us are a bit prepared to make due for a few days anyway.

Beans, bullets and keep your mouth shut.

Also start watching movies like The Road, Thunder Dome and The Book of Eli, those are good post-apocalyptic movies. Ok sorry I am making light of things now, but you can learn stuff like KFC wet wipes stay moist for over 20 years and rendered cat fat makes great lip balm.

I think the best thing for folks to do is keep calm and just take each day as it comes, only worry about one day at a time.

But seriously, it is always a good thing to be able to protect yourself and have some survival supplies around. Even if we aren't expecting the end, it is still good to be prepared for whatever life hands you. But if an asteroid hits the Earth and we turn into a ball of fire, nothing is gonna help.

Cheers!

[Moon]

The gun and ammo makers are laughing all the way to the bank as they claim Obama's second term will include banning all kinds of handguns. (Try getting that past a cloture vote in the Senate.)

If you want to believe the same people who thought Y2K was going to end the world and are now starting to pick the next big date (2030), then your best place to go is the North or South Pole. Very few people live there now and there are acres of land to live on.

If it was going to be Nibiru or a brown dwarf, we would already see it (and feel it) by now.

[Lonewolf Howling]

IF the world will end on 21 dec 2012 and IF you see you are not gonna survive, don't worry, you're just going home

[spaceycasey]

Interesting ideas, thank you. I have a spot in the mountains to go to. I am really more concerned about our nation falling apart than doom and gloom at this point.

[Moon]

Interesting ideas, thank you. I have a spot in the mountains to go to. I am really more concerned about our nation falling apart than doom and gloom at this point.

Isn't the nation falling apart doom and gloom itself? To those people only the election of Ron Paul or Mitt Romney will stop it.

[Serene]

Sorry, Spacey - but personally I absolutely do not buy into this doomsday propaganda.

And if I'm wrong and it happens anyway I'll probably be sitting on my couch watching "Antiques Roadshow".

[Sunrisepony]

I don't buy into any of it either, it's all an absolute hoax, scam, fake bull crap to sell books and scare the sheep. All of it.

Check out www.2012hoax.org , best 2012 debunking site out there, debunks all the 2012 crap with supported evidence and everything. Just the facts.

[Ace Rimmer]

I was pretty freaky deakied out a few years ago, I had an over load of all of this stuff. I do not feel I am going back to sleep, I just don't think anything in particular is going to happen. The world is slowly falling apart, but I try to think positive and be nice to people and not worry about tomorrow, but focus on today.

[spaceycasey]

I agree that it is all very Y2K, but something has got to give. Honestly, I don't think that anyone running the election this year is going to do any amount of good; the damage was done long ago and it all has spiraled out of control. The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. It's like the middle class is slowly being eradicated. Any thoughts about the Sleeping Dragon?
By the way, thank you for all of your responses. I find it rather refreshing to hear/read other points of view that are not from my relation (at least not close relation ).

[Sunrisepony]

Spacecasey,

I suggest if you get the opportunity and time, look into a guy named Drake, and www.freedomreigns.us , he also was interviewed quite extensively by David Wilcock on www.divinecosmos.com. Some have differing opinions about DW, but either way the interview is a must read, there is a uprising and something IS being done. Drake is the "mouth piece" for The Oathkeepers, the Pentagon and the others behind this uprising. I have had him/the movement/uprising he's behind confirmed by multiple reliable insider sources. So that will give everyone here some good insights into what's really happening.

Have any of you here seen the thousands of resignations etc of all the CEO's, Government Officials and other financial / monetary people?

[Moon]

If Nibiru or Planet X was supposed to show up we would be seeing it by now so we can rule it out. Also, many experts agree the calendar is so accurate they would of just restarted it and December 21 2012 would of been a great celebration for them (now their survivors).

I do think the authors of those books are going to have to find another source for future books.

[Sunrisepony]

AFAIK, Nibiru the Planet/Mothership was destroyed in 2003 and is currently sitting in pieces in the Kuiper Belt. Planet X if it even ever actually existed was most likely an mistakenly Identified Mothership, those things can get huge. Multiple sources have informed me that the ones specially out of the Andromedan Galaxy can get well near 2x the size of Jupiter. Most people interestingly enough when they talk about things like Planet X, or "Nibiru" or a Rogue Planet, don't seem to consider the astrophysical aspects or the scientific aspects of how literally impossible such an situation is.

I think one of the most illogical ones I heard, was that Japan would sink, and this would cause the MU and Atlantis to rise above the ocean, the majority of MU and Atlantis are tens of thousands of feet down, so this is literally impossible.

[polaris]

AFAIK, Nibiru the Planet/Mothership was destroyed in 2003 and is currently sitting in pieces in the Kuiper Belt. Planet X if it even ever actually existed was most likely an mistakenly Identified Mothership, those things can get huge. Multiple sources have informed me that the ones specially out of the Andromedan Galaxy can get well near 2x the size of Jupiter. Most people interestingly enough when they talk about things like Planet X, or "Nibiru" or a Rogue Planet, don't seem to consider the astrophysical aspects or the scientific aspects of how literally impossible such an situation is.
I have looked at the astrophysical aspects of a 7th planet in this solar system and it is very plausible, in fact scientific principles support another planet in that HUGE GAP between Mars and Jupiter

I think one of the most illogical ones I heard, was that Japan would sink, and this would cause the MU and Atlantis to rise above the ocean, the majority of MU and Atlantis are tens of thousands of feet down, so this is literally impossible.
The gravitational effects of a 7th planet in solar orbit, requires it to return to its perihelion every orbit. Its introduction, IMV, was captured in sumerian cuneiform script (Enuma Elish), every time it returns it disturbs asteroids in the belt and this disruptive force is evidenced by the impact craters as seen on the surface of the inner planets today...and the remaining mass of the belt illustrates how long these perturbations have been going on and again evidenced by earth's geological record/time scale...

What I'm trying to get at is...gravity can have unfathomable effects. Myths of the past have proven to be actual, non-fiction stories... IMV, there are too many stories of Atlantis/Atlantians for it/them to be myth...
Lemuria, Mu, Atlantis - if ancient lore is taken literally, they are places in the ages before this current one...