Greetings Mr. Tsoukalos!

[Davsuun]

Hello! My name is Dawson J. Will and I am an astronomer, historian, and Christian theologian. I have my own personal set of beliefs concerning ancient mankind and although I hail from a fundamental belief structure I do not rule out the idea of their being extraterrestrial life. Though I do not concern myself in a personal belief in them myself. I come here to debate you Mr. Giorgio Tsoukalos in a comparison of research and I humbly ask you for your compliance. I will go by how you wish this to play and I am not pressuring you under any obligation to even so respond to my request. Thank you - Dawson

[Ace Rimmer]

Hi Dawson J. Wills. Giorgio provides this forum for Legendary Times Magazine subscribers and for Ancient Alien fans and like-minded truth-seekers. ( And he rarely makes a post on the forum)
All are welcome who have an interest in this subject. And believe me we all have questions and believe in various parts of the theory and we have lots of ideas of our own as well.

My only word of caution is that in the past we have had people join just for the sole purpose of trying to tell us how wrong we are, while we as a group are always quite open to new research, embrace it in fact, for we only are, like it says: seeking the truth. A truth that is and does remain hidden.

Welcome to the forum.

[Davsuun]

I apologize for sounding so gruff then, I noticed Giorgio himself rarely comes on but I respect him enough to debate him on a personal level. I do not wish to humiliate anyone, just make a simple comparison of research. Thank you for your approval.

[Ace Rimmer]

No apology necessary.

I didn't and don't get a bad feeling from you. I did want you to be aware if you do desire a debate or response from Giorgio, it might be quite a long wait for you.

But the rest of us are more than happy to share our thoughts.

[Moon]

Hi Davsuun and welcome to the forum. I look forward to reading your ideas on these theories.

[Davsuun]

Thank you. I can wait for as long as Mr. Tsoukalos needs because I mean no hindrance to him.

[Davsuun]

If none of you mind I shall take my time to bring forth my research. I do apologize ahead of time for posting twice with no response in between my posts and it won't happen again I assure you but now I bring forth my personal time line based on the Christian worldview that can give in my opinion a very accurate account of the history that became abandoned. Before I explain myself I want to again state that I am only bringing forth evidence on my own opinion in an action that will place me in the hot seat of questioning when Giorgio is to respond to my debate request, whenever that may be. I give Giorgio alone permission to debate me on this post because it was him I was coming to, not as a fan but a respectful guest. If others are willing to give me any critique on my personal explanation of ancient history I would very much like it to be in a private message please. Now I begin. I believe that in the beginning of days God created the world and it was a perfect creation with no defects or imperfections or death and when sin entered the world death did appear, but not like we know it today. During what I call the "Pre-Deluge" era mankind lived in a perfect environment due to an atmospheric layer of water that made the earth a greenhouse. During this time there were no volcanic eruptions or earthquakes because there were no fractures in the earth causing a continental shift. In fact the earth was even larger but less dense. During this period creatures grew to be very large, humans included because when oxygen levels are higher you can expect there to be a whole habitation of large animals and humans alike and humans were what we would call today "super human", they grew to be ranging from 12 to 15 feet in height and they used 100% of their brains allowing them to be very sophisticated in their technology and they also lived to be over 900 years of age as well. In fact that is why I believe God sent the Great Deluge, when man began to populate on the earth they started specializing in technologies including atomic weaponry, advanced engineering, and space travel. During this period there was one world language, religion, and government that directly opposed God in acts of voluntarily rebellion against him. In this God told Noah and his family that they should build an ark to carry all animals with breath in their nostrils to survive the flood along with animals to sacrifice for sin atonement. In all it took Noah 120 years to build the ark but that was due to the circumstances, not technology. Noah had a small work force, probably had a job, and probably had moments where he laid off from building that boat. Either way the ark would have been larger than the Titanic and would have carried a little over 1600 animals, those being the animals with breath in their nostrils, birds, amphibians, reptiles, and mammals. Since he was probably carrying common ancestors of all the different kinds of animals we have today is another reason why I sated a little over 1600 aboard along with the eight (and yes, dinosaurs would have been included. They were just called dragons then). After the flood humanity left off to what it's original plan had been before the flood and since they had the same unified language and government they were going to establish their one world religion again and rebel against God by making what I would assume to be a pyramid shaped launching station for a spacecraft. The first pyramid which is now known as the Tower of Babylon and when God saw the arrogance man had in trying to make the same mistake before the flood he confused their languages and crushed the tower (in which the foundation can still be seen today) which is why the ancients had an interconnected society, pyramids, and similar pagan style religions that developed over the world. Thus after the Tower of Babylon incident mankind was in what we now know as the Stone Age. The result of the great flood however was the loss of that atmospheric layer of water which caused bad climate change and the extreme shortening of human lifetimes along with both humans and animals shrinking in size, other effects are that the continents were made, the tectonic plate shifts are causing devastation, there are so many earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, why are Earth does not rotate on it's axis anymore, it's why there is the Grand Canyon, it is also why there are limestone mountains, it explains why there are fossils everywhere as well. These are all testaments to an entire year when the Earth was completely covered in water. This is a mere fraction of my research but I think it is enough to begin the real debate. I hope it doesn't bore any of you and I apologize if it does. Thank you.

[Jeff Sheets]

Hi Davsunn,

Welcome to the forum. Everyone has their own personal view of what happened in history. This forum is an opportunity to share that with whomever wants to read it.

My experience is that the easier it is to read, the better it is received. You might want to separate that long text into paragraphs, etc. and don't expect Giorgio to personally respond to posts (though it is entirely possible). He is still pretty busy with Ancient Aliens and the forum isn't really part of that.

Jeff Sheets
admin

[Davsuun]

I apologize for that as well... I know Giorgio is very busy and I respect his schedule enough so that I wrote the basics of my beliefs down so he may come across them in the far future. I am trying my best not to get in any of your way or become a burden. To tell the truth I was frightened you would have a limited space for how much one could type and that is why I did not separate my post into paragraphs. Sorry.

[Jeff Sheets]

Again, I am glad to have you join the forum. Good to have an astronomer to chime in when trying to sort out some of the theories.
Are you doing any interesting research topics for AA?

[Davsuun]

This is where I personally come into an area of discussion with you and the kind people here. I don't believe in extraterrestrial life for a number of reasons, so therefore I cannot contribute much in that aspect. But do not get me wrong, I believe in an all creative God and I believe that if he so chooses he could inhabit other planets out there and the reason why it wouldn't be so difficult to "save" these people (as was a discussion once in your television series) is because God makes perfect life originally and then he tests it to see if it would choose good or evil (like the trees in the garden). Either way these alien beings would have to choose evil before God for God himself to be obliged to save them. Remember, man is born into sin but if God made new original life it shall be perfect and in accordance with his design. But Otherwise I personally just do not concern myself with a belief in extraterrestrials. Thank you.

[Ace Rimmer]

I believe in intelligent design. Either by a God or Gods and since they aren't from around here, I would call these Gods Aliens.
For me it is a matter of Semantics.

We always appreciate different perspectives on the great mystery of life and our origins. I personally don't think anybody has the answer, perhaps bits and pieces. I don't think we will ever have the answer. But it sure is fun to try and figure it out.

[Davsuun]

I will not judge your opinion in any way. I guess I would just state that both of our ideas have evidence to support our claims. I hate to seem so ignorant but I guess I should just admit that cases in the bible such as Ezekiel's vision and the ascension or Enoch, Elijah, and Jesus may sound a bit abstract. Wouldn't God make his own craft in the dimension he lives in? I believe if God bothered making the universe and everything therein that he would certainly contain a civilization of his own; even including chariots of fire (which may have well have been described by the technology at the time) and swords of fire. I personally believe in Ezekiel's vision that God did not NEED to travel in the devise which was described as a "wheel inside a wheel", but he COULD have anyways. I believe that God doesn't NEED angelic servants but it is more comfortable to have a crowd. I respect your beliefs and they deserve research, but the belief in life outside our own solar system doesn't contradict Christianity as most say it does. I guess what I would like to ask you is, do you believe in a God outside the bounds of our universe? -Besides the idea of alien beings taking on that role as a human misconception.

[Ace Rimmer]

I guess what I would like to ask you is, do you believe in a God outside the bounds of our universe? -Besides the idea of alien beings taking on that role as a human misconception.

I don't believe in a God inside or outside the bounds of our universe, Aliens yes, I believe there is intelligent life outside of our universe.

[Davsuun]

Ah, so you agree with the theory of parallel universes. I have always found that idea very interesting.

[Ace Rimmer]

Ah, so you agree with the theory of parallel universes. I have always found that idea very interesting.

Sounds good to me, parrallel universes, other dimensions....or maybe we are in a petri dish on somebody's desk.

Also re your post up there, I also am a big fan of The Canopy Theory, it has been talked about much on here in various threads. And it really makes a lot of sense to me and goes a long way to explain the flood, again for me, might not have the same meaning for other folks however.

[Moon]

As the question from the Star Trek movie: What would God need with a starship?

[Davsuun]

I should first answer your question. God doesn't NEED a star ship and that is not what is described. What IS described is a vehicle or some type of devise God rode in, like a portable throne that normal kings use except far more elaborate. Four rings and one inside the other supernaturally moving due to God's will rather than needs. God doesn't need anything although he uses many physical devices just because he can.

[Lonewolf Howling]

I give Giorgio alone permission to debate me on this post because it was him I was coming to, not as a fan but a respectful guest. If others are willing to give me any critique on my personal explanation of ancient history I would very much like it to be in a private message please. Now I begin.

I apologize in front for my bluntness. It's just the way I am. I am not a member of the forum, just a registered person, just like you. Therefore I am willing to take any or all blocks, deletes from forum and all from this post.

My name is Luc Destoop and I am a simple handworker/housepainter. I have no bling bling diploma's by choise, not because you have to be stupid to do that kind of work. I followed latin and all but gave that up because I rather spend the rest of my life with "simple" people then with people who think they are the center of the world.
I read your post and all that comes to mind is is that you think that none of us at this forum meet the standards you think you deserve with some bling bling talk papers.
If you want an anser from the Master ( ) maybe you should PM him. If that doesn't go, maybe God wants it to be that way ? Maybe you are not ready yet ?
As for me if the Master is willing to give me a minute of his time, I would consider it an real honor. But to forbid any other person to respond is a bit over the edge. I think God wouldn't be happy with it also. Sorry for my sarcasme.
I believe in God above aliens and my god would take you by the ear for this, but then again who am I right ?

As far as your theory goes, I stopped reading halfway, why I can not answer that is forbitten
Maybe you should come down to earth again, don't be afraid we ( at least I ) bite. We actually have a working brain. We have red blood and we cry when we get hurt, just like you. And being stupid is not a crime. To place yourself above an other is a sin on the other hand

So I wrote this in my own time with my own words and as ownly writer, this is not the opinion of the forum leaders. I am willing to take the fall for this.

Lonewolf Howling

With many humble greetings

[Davsuun]

My feelings toward myself are my own concern. As I said earlier I am not trying to humiliate anyone because I feel my beliefs are superior. I am here patiently waiting for a debate with a known expert on these issues so I may better myself in my understanding with others and my personal research. Not pride and arrogance and ignorance of others thoughts. You aren't forbidden from responding to me if you so feel, I changed my mind about how I will enter the discussion here. If you are so against me as to explain how arrogant I am please, tell me what you know so I may learn. That is why I came.

[Ace Rimmer]

Davsunn, I moved one of your double post request/question for Giorgio to the Ask Giorgio a Question thread. If he is going to find your request he will most likely find it there in that thread, that is the purpose of that part of the forum.

You will find your post in this thread.

viewtopic.php?f=36&t=965

I hope this works for you, we don't want to set a precedent here by having people just randomly seeking out feed-back from Giorgio all over the board when he has himself set aside a separate forum just for that purpose.

[Davsuun]

I do apologize for that then, I am not familiar with these kinds of situations so I hope I am not wasting any person(s) time.

[Ace Rimmer]

I do apologize for that then, I am not familiar with these kinds of situations so I hope I am not wasting any person(s) time.

On the contrary my dear fellow. There are really some great thinkers on this forum and somebody is always coming up with some new research that is being done, or a new way of looking at something or new theories. We have many many varied opinions on this forum about what we think our origins might very well be. And what the future may hold in store for us.

We welcome all opinions and thoughts. You had my attention at the mere mention of the canopy!

[Moon]

Davsuun, I do think you should open these discussions to all members of the board for a richer conversation. Mr Tsoukalos is very busy producing Ancient Aliens and appearances at events all over the world. It makes for a very busy day so spending time on the internet is a luxury he does not have.

We can all discuss this issue in a civil tone and have a multitude of different ideas.

Lonewolf, you have every right to post what you wish as long as it follows the guidelines set forth by Giorgio.

Your post not only did that but eloquently stated what many here are thinking. We are all regular people who just want to learn a bit more. We are young, old, fat, thin, male, female (you get the picture), but we are not stupid.

[Davsuun]

You see, originally I wanted to simply come here and state my beliefs in an act of petition to Mr. Tsoukalos to debate me on HIS schedule allowing him to even have the power in the conversation (whenever that would have been) and then people would comment and make their own beliefs based on what they saw, if they were willing to look at all. Once everyone commented I changed my mind on the approach to this forum and never once did I try to make anyone look stupid or inferior in comparison to me. In fact if someone is willing to come to this forum at all they would have to be very intelligent in the first place in my own opinion. But I do not consider myself as a person of superior knowledge. In fact I was scared because I thought the discussion I was going to bring up was already spoken of many times in a negative fashion and that you would hear no more of it. There really isn't much more I can discuss with you outside this point in my research because of "bias points" where we have our on different beliefs with equal amounts of supporting evidence. You say extraterrestrials, I say spirit beings. That is the pit in my discussion with you that really would lead us nowhere. But what we DO agree on is that at one time in the forgotten past ancient man had obtained higher technology than we are using and experimenting with today. Thank you all and I am still willing to enter discussions with you and I do not plan on leaving just yet.

[Moon]

I think the problem started out when you only wanted to debate with Giorgio. While that is your prerogative, the rest of us who have been on the board took this as meaning we were not worthy to debate you on the issue at hand.

I think we jumped the gun here as you did not mean it as a slap against us, just that you wish to debate Mr Tsoukalos first.

What I was trying to tell you along with Jeff is Mr Tsoukalos is a very busy man and as you can see for yourself rarely has the time to visit here.

Posting the debate in Ask Giorgio is a wonderful place as he will see it if and when he gets the time. You can still discuss the issues and evidence with us here.

I think both ideas of extraterrestrial and spirit beings fit the all kinds of encounters out there. I do not think we should paint ourselves into one corner with just one idea. The Universe is a vast expanse and we just don't know what is out there.

[Davsuun]

I personally believe God made the universe so large because before sin entered it he may have wanted us to populate the vast expanses of the universe as immortal perfect humans living in a perfect universe.

[Moon]

I personally believe God made the universe so large because before sin entered it he may have wanted us to populate the vast expanses of the universe as immortal perfect humans living in a perfect universe.

That sounds a bit boring to me. I like the imperfections us humans have.

[Davsuun]

I knew you would find it boring but that's just my personal belief. I guess the reason why I do not believe in alien beings as so firmly a part of our history is because I have had experiences with people involved in witchcraft cults and as much nonsense their beliefs are to Christian eyes I can attest that evil spirits do exist and can be bargained with to do deeds of a number of sorts and the humans involved in those pacts usually end up scarred for life not because of any craft any could possess in a universe that meets our eyes.