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Puma Punku.

Postby neoconstantine » Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:03 am

As for last article in LTM, which is concerning the ruins in Puma Punku, it's really amazing, how Indians could reach this precision when they were building their constructions. The scietists say the Indians used for smoothing the surface of crushed glass, sand and stone tools. One of the famous experts of Incas - prof. Edmundo Guiellen said thirty years ago over, that Indians in ancient Peru had many time to use; they didn't hurry nowhere. In his opinion this enormous amount of time explain, why the Indians were able to build such advanced structures, through the simple tools.
Well, it's opinion of Mr Professor. As for me, I share the opinion that the creators of these cities had to have a more technologically advanced tools.
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Postby amnesiac » Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:53 pm

Indians for 99% did not build Puma Punku :) We would have hard time to do that these days with our tools.....Actually the local tribe that lives in the area says that it was built by people that came from heaven....
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Re: Puma Punku.

Postby Csabi_B » Sat Mar 06, 2010 7:59 am

neoconstantine wrote:the Indians used for smoothing the surface of crushed glass, sand and stone tools.
Some stone bocks have boreholes of 1-2 cm in diameter. You can chop stone blocks to shape by hammering them with axes and hammers of stone. But making boreholes in granite hunks is a different sport.
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Postby neorealist » Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:34 pm

amnesiac wrote:Indians for 99% did not build Puma Punku :) We would have hard time to do that these days with our tools.....Actually the local tribe that lives in the area says that it was built by people that came from heaven....


where did you read that?
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Postby amnesiac » Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:51 pm

Giorgio says that at his lecture, because he was there. Actually many tribes or "primitive" people say that all kinds of stuff they have or know came from "heaven" and from "gods" . We think they were crazy, but they just try to tell future generations ( us ) what they saw and experienced. It is very simple and makes perfect sense. If not how they would do that with primitive tools ? Or did they operate diamond drills and laser cutting tools? I don`t think so :wink:
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Re: Puma Punku.

Postby BIGvinny33 » Sun May 23, 2010 12:06 pm

Csabi_B wrote:
neoconstantine wrote:the Indians used for smoothing the surface of crushed glass, sand and stone tools.
Some stone bocks have boreholes of 1-2 cm in diameter. You can chop stone blocks to shape by hammering them with axes and hammers of stone. But making boreholes in granite hunks is a different sport.


Hi, I'm new to the site and this topic is the main reason for my joining the community. To explain my background, I've been in the Machining and Manufacturing industry since 1983 and have since become a journeyman machinist with an emphasis on honing, lapping and lap fitting. I currently work for a company that makes precision lap fit valves with diametrical clearances of just over .000060 (60 millionths of an inch) with bore to length ratios of well over 15/1. Its hard, precise and still one of the few forms of machining that is still considered an art in this world of high technology.
This brings me to Puma Punka. Something big has went on there!! As I studied the photos of the H blocks, I was floored by what I had seen. The dimensions on the outside of the rock are completeley miraculous but still pale in comparison to the bored holes going through the grooves!!
Gundrilling, trepanning, waterjet and possibly some form of boring laser, would be the only possible methods that I'm aware of that could make those holes. With gundrilling being the most likely operation <wiki it!>, a 100 to 1 bore to length ratio is about the maximum capacity. Even at a 100/1 ratio, you have a margin of error on the drill's drift. It may drift .001 of an inch or more per inch of drilled depth. The holes on the rocks appear to have a ratio of OVER 500/1 with NO drill drift?? I cant even fathom it!?
In another area of interest, the bow ties that lock them together prove that they had a metalurgical background with the capability of smelting and molding the metals of their choice, AND the intelligence and common sense to see that it needed to be braced and locked together to last. They were extremley advanced!!
The standard match fit stones that surround the area had to have been lap fitted to each other individually, 1 at a time to have fit together so precise <<wiki lapping>>. Even if blueprints had been made and the tightest of tolerances held in the manufacturing process, it could never have fit together like it is. Even Boeing learned early on, that with over 1000 parts from the front of the plane to the back of the plane, considering all manufacturing tolerances, NO 2 planes would ever be the same length. Henceforth, SPC ( Statistical Process Control).
With a little studying, the methods of manufacture can be detected to possibly be used as a gauge to see where this prior civilization stood on the intelligence chart. I think we would all be flabergasted by the results.
Those are just my .02$, Thank you.
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Postby fotoguy » Sun May 23, 2010 12:41 pm

Yeah, it's dumbfounding!
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Postby Gemini » Sun May 23, 2010 1:05 pm

Puma Punku is one of my favorite sites.

The Amarya (sp?) Indians didn't have writing. So no written plans were prepared to do this? We would of course need written plans today...
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Postby fotoguy » Sun May 23, 2010 1:34 pm

Just a year ago, I would have considered anyone who talked about AAT 'loco'. Then I saw Chariots of the Gods. It seriously made me think. And then I see sites like Puma Punka and many, many others so much like it. There is so much that we just don't understand. And AAT makes a lot of sense to me. The technology just doesn't fit with what science figures was going on back then...or now. And I believe it is somewhere in our DNA to KNOW what happened then. We just have to figure out how to read it. Even though I still think it's all pretty crazy, I also think the possibilities are exciting. I hope EvD gets his due while he is alive. He has done so much for the cause...
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Postby MohawkGuy » Sun May 23, 2010 1:36 pm

And I need the work.




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Postby fotoguy » Sun May 23, 2010 1:37 pm

MohawkGuy wrote:And I need the work.


Maybe, get with the program?
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Postby BIGvinny33 » Sun May 23, 2010 3:54 pm

[quote="Gemini"]Puma Punku is one of my favorite sites.


The Amarya (sp?) Indians didn't have writing. So no written plans were prepared to do this. We would of course need written plans today.

Hi again,
I too have thought long and hard about this portion of their history. If the H blocks were to be 100% dimensionally inspected, meaning all dimensions including hole and groove locations, hole diameter, height, width...etc., the results can then be compared to each other to check for manufacturing patterns and potential tolerances. If all of the blocks were to matchup between say, .010 ( 10 one thousanth of an inch), they were more than likely produced in a manufacturing enviornment with some form of blueprint. On the other side of the coin, if one stone is perfect and the others tend to vary from that, we can almost say it was a duplication form of manufacturing that could have been done by campfire. Testing in this fashion may possibly shed some light as to there history.
As to their language I have often wondered why there are no heiroglyphs or markings found anywhere. Is it possible they had a very temporary form of documenting things, such as paper, like we currently have, and therefore have no need to make clay tablets or graffiti their buildings with drawings? It seems to me, we already know that they had the ablility to mine, melt and mold metals, hell why not manufacture paper too ? All I do know is, if we didnt have paper and hard drives right now, I'd be carving this message on the side of my garage. :)
It seems to me that the more i look into it and study it, the more questions i seem to have. Addiction? possibly.
Just my .02$, Thank you.
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Postby MohawkGuy » Sun May 23, 2010 7:00 pm

'that female theology nun' was pretty hot! I obviously don't get out much. LOL!
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Postby fotoguy » Sun May 23, 2010 7:14 pm

Sister Ilia Delio, OSF is her name. She says, "Don't try to reduce the scriptures to a science book." In other words, lets leave them the fairy tale that they are.
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Postby Sagittarii » Mon May 24, 2010 8:19 pm

Thought this would be a nice addition, we've all seen it but still fun to watch again. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKuE9bVqe8M
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Postby mahalla2 » Tue May 25, 2010 10:08 am

Sagittarii wrote:Thought this would be a nice addition, we've all seen it but still fun to watch again. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKuE9bVqe8M


yes, this is still very thought-provoking. Although the Amara Indians are not known to have any history of writing, I have to wonder if there might possibly have been a connection between their ancestors and the ancient reign of the Pharoah Akhenaten who resided in Amarna, Egypt. Wikipedia states that "He was all but lost from history until the discovery, in the 19th century, of Amarna, the site of Akhenaten, the city he built for the Aten." Also, isn't Akhenaten believed by some people to have extra-terrestial connections himself?
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Postby MohawkGuy » Thu May 27, 2010 7:52 pm

I pray for answers.
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Postby mahalla2 » Fri May 28, 2010 8:01 am

yes, me too and possibly something else is the fact that remnants of early south peruvian textile art reveal designs that look more like primitive letters than anything else (or at least replication from memory of a very early writing system). Here is a link to view one of the old textiles and you can decide for yourselves -

http://www.jstor.org.library.gcu.edu:20 ... romArticle
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Postby fotoguy » Fri May 28, 2010 8:31 am

Thanks for the link, but a login is needed and I wouldn't recommended sharing yours here.
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Postby mahalla2 » Fri May 28, 2010 12:41 pm

oops, sorry about that - I have a copy in my files so I will try to post a pic of the textile here if and when I figure out how that can be done. :?
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Postby fotoguy » Fri May 28, 2010 1:20 pm

You could post it on tinypic or imagevenue and just post the link here...
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Postby mahalla2 » Fri May 28, 2010 6:28 pm

fotoguy wrote:You could post it on tinypic or imagevenue and just post the link here...


okay - here is the link and I hope it works, thanks!


http://tinypic.com/m/acu7p2/2
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Postby fotoguy » Fri May 28, 2010 7:28 pm

The link works fine. I'm having trouble seeing letters in the textile, unless it is something like semaphore flags. And it seems to me that the sloppiness of the work doesn't fit in with AAT, as with the precision stone carving. I'm just guessing that this would have been a work done long after the AAs left. If I'm missing something, please help me see it. Do you know when it was supposed to have been made? Either way, it's certainly interesting. Thanks for posting it.
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Postby MohawkGuy » Fri May 28, 2010 7:35 pm

Oh, yeah! I think they're trying to tell us something. I am no code breaker, though.



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Postby mahalla2 » Fri May 28, 2010 10:25 pm

This is a remnant of an old South Peruvian textile dated from about 600AD. Yes, it would have been made long after the possible AA connection, however, my thought is that the Indians who wove this fabric could have been the descendants of the original inhabitants of Puma Punku and might have woven into their designs a symbolic form of writing/story telling. It is just my personal opinion, however, I see images in the design that appear similar to the letters L, T, H, O, and R.
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Puma Punku

Postby Bob137 » Sun May 30, 2010 10:11 am

One thing not discussed much about this site, is the obvious, that it looks like it was a war zone. Megalithic structures broken up, and scattered all over, and no inhabitants anywhere? I would say that it was one of the cities destroyed over 10,000 years ago, buy either a great natural catastrophe, such as the shifting of the poles, or from warring et's over control of the earth, or at least that part of the earth. This reminds of what was left after Iwo Jima, and Nagasaki, after a nuclear strike, not much left but a lot of broken up stone structures, and a little of metal, that would disentegrate over time. It seems to me that many people are coming to the realization of ancient civilizations being farther advanced than what has been put forth in the history books, and that the ones trying to control our history of planet earth, are losing the battle, due to these discoveries, and that it is just so obviously ignorant to believe the history books. So I suggest, keep up the good work, and keep questioning everything.
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Postby greywolf107 » Sun May 30, 2010 12:14 pm

I'd like to know what kind of artifacts were found around the site. It seems that there is only building fragments there based on what I have been shown.
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Postby Ace Rimmer » Sun May 30, 2010 12:16 pm

Hi up there...the metal clamps that were used :shock:
Read on Leon:

http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Clamps.html

There is no written record of any kind because if it was Ancient Astronauts that built or helped build, although for my money they did all of the work, I mean really! we barely need paper now and our technology is crap compared to what's out there.

Perhaps all the building blocks are so perfect because they had some sort of concrete/cement and made the blocks, instead of cutting them. Or one theory is they could melt rocks, who knows what they could do, can do. I am sure we of earth are like babies playing in a sand box compared to Ancient Alien technology.
We can't figure out what went on because we are like a tea leaf trying to figure out the workings of the East Indian Tea company.

If they can send balls of lights to make complicated signs in field that we can't read, what else can they do. There are infinite possibilities that we can't even begin to imagine!
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Puma Punku

Postby DawnJah » Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:44 pm

I was at this site too. It appears there was a mold that was used because they are all very precise. And there is an inlaid groove around the perimeter of the blocks, that is approx. 1 cm. To precise to carve, unless they could do that with lazer. I think it is above our capability....Definately a mystery...

The site felt negative to me....perhaps it was some kind of prison or something.
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Postby Hawklady » Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:34 am

I have just scanned the youtube site for computer generated 3D images of the site as it would have looked if it were still standing, but had no luck.

Does anyone know if anyone has done this? Not that it would give us many answers but it would be a new perspective on the site.

And I agree, a much higher technology than our own built this and many other sites around the globe. If that civilization was computer oriented like we are, there would not be anything physical left to find.

Our civilization is the futures "ancients myth" for we are leaving little written or stone evidence of our time here.
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Postby Ace Rimmer » Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:38 am

Hawklady wrote:I have just scanned the youtube site for computer generated 3D images of the site as it would have looked if it were still standing, but had no luck.

Does anyone know if anyone has done this? Not that it would give us many answers but it would be a new perspective on the site.

And I agree, a much higher technology than our own built this and many other sites around the globe. If that civilization was computer oriented like we are, there would not be anything physical left to find.

Our civilization is the futures "ancients myth" for we are leaving little written or stone evidence of our time here.
I've always wondered that too, seems like somebody and their computer could put it back together for us to see.

Good thought DawnJah, it would have been a pretty good, strong prison.
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Re: Puma Punku

Postby DawnJah » Mon Jul 19, 2010 6:56 am

DawnJah wrote:I was at this site too. It appears there was a mold that was used because they are all very precise. And there is an inlaid groove around the perimeter of the blocks, that is approx. 1 cm. To precise to carve, unless they could do that with lazer. I think it is above our capability....Definately a mystery...

The site felt negative to me....perhaps it was some kind of prison or something.


[color=darkred]LAST NIGHT IN A DREAM, I WAS THINKING THAT PUMA PUNKU, COULD HAVE BEEN CREATED BLOCK BY BLOCK BY A REPLICATING MACHINE, like in Star trek. They put a template in the computer machine, and it spits out these blocks that all look alike and fit precisely together....

and METALUNA Great observation about computer technology not being left behind to show what we have accomplished. When you said that,,,,,IT COULD HAVE BEEN US, that did all this in the "PAST", and now we are here to do it again, but a different way....Perhaps there is something we missed, and each time we grow, to bec
ome better?????[/color]
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Postby armedequation » Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:45 pm

greetings! This will be my first post and just wanted to introduce myself....


i just dont see how anyone can look at this and say that they were moved by llama skin and sticks. If thats the case then i dont want to know what that llama looked like or how big it was......

the thing that really struck me is that (and correct me if i am wrong) they originally didnt have a form of writing and no indication that they could plan and develop this let alone the time and effort to build the pieces, transport and put into place.

I definitely need to get some of Sitchen's work....


p.s. thanks for having me! I love thought provoking talk!
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Postby glynn912 » Sat Aug 07, 2010 7:13 pm

Sagittarii wrote:Thought this would be a nice addition, we've all seen it but still fun to watch again. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKuE9bVqe8M




Yes - always amazing to watch - again. Thanks for posting!
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Another Reasoning

Postby Bob137 » Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:00 pm

Maybe Ra and Thoth-Hermes traveled ships to South America, brought their wooly mammoths with them and had a race to see who could bring the most giant megalithic stones to that area, and then with nothing better to do for the next thousand years, they sat and carved very slowly so to be precise, and accurate, and made the blocks, put them together, and then after so many years of that, they got bored, and blew it up. To me this is about the same type of thinking as the conventional scientist, who think the local people built these sites. I know I am being a smart a$#!, but it does get old when they can only come up with the dumbest and most stupid answers of how these stones were moved, made, and put together. The only logical conclusion of these sites around the world, is either an advanced race of mankind built these, and then later were destroyed, or ancient astronauts. Their is no other conclusion that can be made logically, so if there is any scientist who begs to differ, bring it on! I have been to numerous sites, and not one of those so called archeologist and scientist who claim these lame theories, have ever once responded with anything logical, no not even once!
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